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  Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-22 18:11 -0700
    Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Balwinder S Dheeman <bdheeman.SANSPAM@outlook.com> - 2014-08-23 09:16 +0530
      Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-22 21:13 -0700
        Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2014-08-23 00:49 -0400
          Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2014-08-23 00:57 -0400
        Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-08-23 12:16 -0400
          Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-08-23 12:28 -0500
            Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-08-24 09:50 +1000
        Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-08-24 20:14 +0000
    Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-23 04:24 +0000
      Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-22 21:35 -0700
        Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-08-23 10:28 +0000
          Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb faeychild <faeychild@noreply.afraid.com> - 2014-08-24 10:43 +1000
            Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-08-24 19:35 -0400
              Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-08-24 23:46 +0000
        Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-23 13:26 +0000
          Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-23 15:11 +0100
            Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-24 19:43 -0700
          Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-24 19:46 -0700
    Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Huibert Bol <huibert.bol@quicknet.nl> - 2014-08-23 08:31 +0200
      Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-24 19:51 -0700
    Re: Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-26 11:44 -0700

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#11807 — Need to make a DOS 6.22 boot usb

Hi All,

I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.

I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
but can't figure out how make it bootable on
a USB drive.

And, Free DOS crashes the flash update utility.

Many thanks,
-T

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#11808

On 08/23/2014 06:41 AM, Todd wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
> 
> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
> a USB drive.

Try dd if=<path_to/>msdos_6.22.img of=/dev/sdX

where X is for the USB drive; make sure the MS-DOS image bootable.

> And, Free DOS crashes the flash update utility.

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#11810

On 08/22/2014 08:46 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
> On 08/23/2014 06:41 AM, Todd wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
>> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
>>
>> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
>> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
>> a USB drive.
>
> Try dd if=<path_to/>msdos_6.22.img of=/dev/sdX
>
> where X is for the USB drive; make sure the MS-DOS image bootable.
>
>> And, Free DOS crashes the flash update utility.
>


Tried that.  Didn't work.

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#11813

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 00:13:02 -0400, Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 08/22/2014 08:46 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
>> On 08/23/2014 06:41 AM, Todd wrote:
>>> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
>>> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
>>> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
>>> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
>>> a USB drive.
>>
>> Try dd if=<path_to/>msdos_6.22.img of=/dev/sdX
>> where X is for the USB drive; make sure the MS-DOS image bootable.

> Tried that.  Didn't work.

A floppy disk doesn't have a mbr that's going to be bootable from
a usb stick. I'd try creating a fat16 primary partition on the
stick, with the bootable flag, and then copy the img to the partition,
instead of the device. I don't know if that will work, but I think
it should.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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#11814

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 00:49:00 -0400, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 00:13:02 -0400, Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 08/22/2014 08:46 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
>>> On 08/23/2014 06:41 AM, Todd wrote:
>>>> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
>>>> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
>>>> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
>>>> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
>>>> a USB drive.
>>>
>>> Try dd if=<path_to/>msdos_6.22.img of=/dev/sdX
>>> where X is for the USB drive; make sure the MS-DOS image bootable.
>
>> Tried that.  Didn't work.
>
> A floppy disk doesn't have a mbr that's going to be bootable from
> a usb stick. I'd try creating a fat16 primary partition on the
> stick, with the bootable flag, and then copy the img to the partition,
> instead of the device. I don't know if that will work, but I think
> it should.

Forgot to add. For the mbr boot code, see
http://www.filetransit.com/view.php?id=88316

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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#11819

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Todd wrote:

> On 08/22/2014 08:46 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
>> On 08/23/2014 06:41 AM, Todd wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
>>> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
>>> 
>>> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
>>> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
>>> a USB drive.
>> 
>> Try dd if=<path_to/>msdos_6.22.img of=/dev/sdX
>> 
>> where X is for the USB drive; make sure the MS-DOS image bootable.
>> 
>>> And, Free DOS crashes the flash update utility.
>> 
>
>
> Tried that.  Didn't work.
>
How did you make the "image"?

If you just copied that floppy, stuff is probably missing so it won't 
boot.  You need an actual image of the boot disk, which includes some 
hidden files, but also some code at the right place on the floppy that is 
read and executed to pull in the rest.

That's how Linux floppies were made bootable, the boot code at on the 
floppy.  Even booting from a CDROM, the same arrangement is done, so one 
can put a bootable floppy disk image onto a CDROM in the proper fashion 
and boot from the CDROM.

I seem to recall a USB flash drive may be more complicated, certainly I've 
fiddled around with doing that sort of thing and it didn't always work.

   Michael

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#11820

At Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:16:59 -0400 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

> 
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Todd wrote:
> 
> > On 08/22/2014 08:46 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
> >> On 08/23/2014 06:41 AM, Todd wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>> 
> >>> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
> >>> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
> >>> 
> >>> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
> >>> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
> >>> a USB drive.
> >> 
> >> Try dd if=<path_to/>msdos_6.22.img of=/dev/sdX
> >> 
> >> where X is for the USB drive; make sure the MS-DOS image bootable.
> >> 
> >>> And, Free DOS crashes the flash update utility.
> >> 
> >
> >
> > Tried that.  Didn't work.
> >
> How did you make the "image"?
> 
> If you just copied that floppy, stuff is probably missing so it won't 
> boot.  You need an actual image of the boot disk, which includes some 
> hidden files, but also some code at the right place on the floppy that is 
> read and executed to pull in the rest.
> 
> That's how Linux floppies were made bootable, the boot code at on the 
> floppy.  Even booting from a CDROM, the same arrangement is done, so one 
> can put a bootable floppy disk image onto a CDROM in the proper fashion 
> and boot from the CDROM.
> 
> I seem to recall a USB flash drive may be more complicated, certainly I've 
> fiddled around with doing that sort of thing and it didn't always work.

A USB 'drive' is something like a 'real hard drive', but not exactly. It is 
different from either a CD-ROM or a Floppy as far as the BIOS is concerned.

> 
>    Michael
> 
>                                                                          

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#11821

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:28:22 -0500, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:

>A USB 'drive' is something like a 'real hard drive', but not exactly. It is 
>different from either a CD-ROM or a Floppy as far as the BIOS is concerned.
>
Interpretation is BIOS selectable in some cases, does USB use floppy, 
CDROM or HDD emulation? In any case an older GA-G33M-DSS2R mobo I use 
cannot boot from USB, so I discovered a workaround using non-msdos, 
rather than burn a CD.

I'm inclined towards Henrik's solution, use native Linux. 

Grant.

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#11824

Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 08/22/2014 08:46 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
>> On 08/23/2014 06:41 AM, Todd wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
>>> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
>>>
>>> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
>>> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
>>> a USB drive.
>>
>> Try dd if=<path_to/>msdos_6.22.img of=/dev/sdX
>>
>> where X is for the USB drive; make sure the MS-DOS image bootable.
>>
>>> And, Free DOS crashes the flash update utility.
>>
> 
> 
> Tried that.  Didn't work.

Had to go look on another computer to find out how I built my last dos
boot disk for a bios upgrade. Freedos wouldn't even boot so I had to
use real dos.

Syslinux, www.syslinux.org   specifically memdisk, although you'll
also need to research syslinux if you intend to use it to make the USB
stick bootable.

You can also use grub or grub2 to make the USB stick bootable if
you're more comfortable with those. I'd assume LILO will also work,
but I haven't  touched it in years.

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#11811

Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Hi All,

> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.

> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
> a USB drive.

1) Go to google
2) type in "installing dos 6.22 on usb flash drive" in search box
3) hit "search"
4) Open third search result
(https://blogs.oracle.com/dragonfly/entry/dos_bootable_usb_flash_drive)

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#11812

On 08/22/2014 09:24 PM, Rich wrote:
> Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>
>> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
>> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
>
>> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
>> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
>> a USB drive.
>
> 1) Go to google
> 2) type in "installing dos 6.22 on usb flash drive" in search box
> 3) hit "search"
> 4) Open third search result
> (https://blogs.oracle.com/dragonfly/entry/dos_bootable_usb_flash_drive)
>

"following steps where all done in Microsoft Windows XP"

Damn!

Any ideas how to do i in Linux?

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#11816

In article <lt95j2$j9o$1@dont-email.me>, Todd  <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
...
>"following steps where all done in Microsoft Windows XP"
>
>Damn!
>
>Any ideas how to do i in Linux?

Actually, although not explicitly stated, the article implies that it
*was*, in fact, done under Linux, since the words after "Microsoft Windows
XP" were "virtual machine".  So, you an infer (albeit at some risk), that
he was running some VM software under Linux.

Or, as another poster on this thread put it:

>You could try using QEMU, just use a your DOS image instead of FreeDOS:
>http://jachermocilla.blogspot.nl/2009/11/making-dos-bootable-usb-disk-from.html

FWIW, the VM software of choice these days for Linux users seems to be
(Sun/Oracle) VirtualBox, but of course QEMU is not to be denied.  Also in
the FWIW category: I don't know if any of this helps you; you may not be
interested in *any* MS and/or Windows derived solutions.

Totally changing the subject: Have you considered network (PXE) booting
instead of USB?  In my experience, more BIOSes support PXE than support USB
(I.e., I've seen BIOSes that have PXE and not USB, but never the converse).

I mention this because while I've never played with USB booting (and it
does seem from reading this thread that it is not at all trivial to setup),
I have done the PXE thing and it is trivial to boot DOS thereby (once you
have the PXE server itself setup).  Granted, there are a lot of steps
involved in setting up a PXE server, but Knoppix comes with a ready-to-go
script that does it all for you, which is what I used when I did this.

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Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
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#11822

Kenny McCormack wrote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
~ Epicurus


Read Neville Goddard. He has a very interesting interpretation.

 
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#11825

On 2014-08-24, faeychild wrote:
> Kenny McCormack wrote:
>
> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
> Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
> ~ Epicurus
>
> Read Neville Goddard. He has a very interesting interpretation.

  I couldn't find anything he said WRT that quotation.

  The only statement of his I found that made sense is, "Faith is
  believing what is unbelievable." He is totally unbelievable.

-- 
Chris F.A. Johnson

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#11826

In article <9e9qcb-tg5.ln1@chris.tor>,
Chris F.A. Johnson <cfajohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2014-08-24, faeychild wrote:
>> Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>
>> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
>> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
>> Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
>> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
>> ~ Epicurus
>>
>> Read Neville Goddard. He has a very interesting interpretation.
>
>  I couldn't find anything he said WRT that quotation.
>
>  The only statement of his I found that made sense is, "Faith is
>  believing what is unbelievable." He is totally unbelievable.

Which is a variation on Twain:

    "Faith is believing things you know ain't so."

(I'm kidding about the "variation" comment; I have no idea who said it first)

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knowledge, they often qualify their statement with "it's my 
understanding".  For instance, it's my understanding that when some 
women are depressed they sit on the futon in a Snuggie, watch Lifetime, 
and eat a whole tub of Rocky Road ice cream.

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#11817

Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 08/22/2014 09:24 PM, Rich wrote:
> > Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >
> >> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
> >> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
> >
> >> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
> >> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
> >> a USB drive.
> >
> > 1) Go to google
> > 2) type in "installing dos 6.22 on usb flash drive" in search box
> > 3) hit "search"
> > 4) Open third search result
> > (https://blogs.oracle.com/dragonfly/entry/dos_bootable_usb_flash_drive)
> >

> "following steps where all done in Microsoft Windows XP"

You use David's suggestion of this tool:
http://www.filetransit.com/view.php?id=88316

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#11818

On 23/08/14 14:26, Rich wrote:
> Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 08/22/2014 09:24 PM, Rich wrote:
>>> Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
>>>> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
>>>

which suggests to me that you wont be able to boot into a virtual 
machine to do the job as some are suggesting

Need bare metal





>>>> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
>>>> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
>>>> a USB drive.
>>>

Is it a bootable disk?


>>> 1) Go to google
>>> 2) type in "installing dos 6.22 on usb flash drive" in search box
>>> 3) hit "search"
>>> 4) Open third search result
>>> (https://blogs.oracle.com/dragonfly/entry/dos_bootable_usb_flash_drive)
>>>
>
>> "following steps where all done in Microsoft Windows XP"
>
> You use David's suggestion of this tool:
> http://www.filetransit.com/view.php?id=88316
>


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#11828

On 08/23/2014 07:11 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> Is it a bootable disk?
>

If I dd the image to a floppy (which I don't have anymore),
it will boot.

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#11829

On 08/23/2014 06:26 AM, Rich wrote:
> You use David's suggestion of this tool:
> http://www.filetransit.com/view.php?id=88316

I have tried ms-sys.  It copies Free DOS stuff to
the boot sector.  And, msdos 6.22 bitches about
it being the wrong version

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#11815

Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I need to make a bootable USB drive with DOS 6.22 on
> it to do a bunch of BIOS flash updates.
>
> I have an image of an old DOS 6.22 floppy drive,
> but can't figure out how make it bootable on
> a USB drive.

You could try using QEMU, just use a your DOS image instead of FreeDOS:
http://jachermocilla.blogspot.nl/2009/11/making-dos-bootable-usb-disk-from.html

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