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The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn

Started byLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2025-11-05 21:31 +0000
Last post2025-11-10 22:26 +0000
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  The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:31 +0000
    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 23:12 +0000
    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 13:55 +0100
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-11-06 16:37 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:51 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 11:14 +0000
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 13:06 +0100
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 13:43 +0000
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 15:17 +0100
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 20:59 -0500
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 06:39 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 07:12 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:56 -0500
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:41 +0100
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:09 +0100
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-07 20:09 +0000
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:50 -0500
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 07:24 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:57 -0500
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:56 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:10 +0100
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:26 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:34 +0100
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 13:08 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:27 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 15:25 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:42 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-09 15:20 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:06 +0100
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 17:02 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:52 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:47 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 08:38 -0800
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 17:35 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 01:03 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 13:01 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 15:02 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:18 +0000
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:14 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:44 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:56 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 20:42 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 21:17 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 21:46 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 15:37 -0800
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:55 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:42 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:15 +0100
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 20:58 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 22:36 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 01:09 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 03:53 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:58 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:42 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:51 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 15:30 -0800
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 03:19 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 09:53 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:45 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:28 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 22:32 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:14 -0500
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:25 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-12 04:36 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:41 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 08:29 -0800
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 18:31 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 20:42 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 21:53 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 22:10 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 04:23 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:31 -0500
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:55 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:15 +0000
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:49 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:47 -0500
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:07 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 16:46 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:34 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 22:13 -0800
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 01:48 -0500
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 13:10 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:41 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:40 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 13:14 -0800
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 08:11 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-12 22:36 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 05:52 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 17:38 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:16 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:43 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 17:33 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:57 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 05:56 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:14 +0100
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:23 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:06 +0100
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 02:35 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:02 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 05:34 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 01:42 -0500
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:58 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:06 -0500
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:22 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:02 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:24 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:57 +0000
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:39 -0500
                                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:50 +0000
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-11-11 07:38 +0100
                                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 20:22 +0000
                                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:10 -0500
                                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:48 +0000
                                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:54 +0000
                                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:43 +0100
                                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:09 +0000
                                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
                                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 23:14 -0500
                                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:23 +0100
                                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:38 -0500
                                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:34 +0000
                                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:57 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:46 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:16 +0100
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:44 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:56 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:17 +0100
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-09 01:21 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:21 +0100
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-10 00:00 +0000
    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-08 13:24 +0200
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:54 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 21:43 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 14:08 +0000
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:39 +0000
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:09 +0000
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:25 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:19 +0100
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:52 +0000
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:06 +0000
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:13 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:11 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:11 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:34 +0000
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:35 +0000
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-17 13:00 +0100
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 12:01 -0500
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-18 01:06 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-18 07:25 +0100
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-18 07:20 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-18 08:49 +0100
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-18 08:11 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-18 17:46 +0100
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-15 14:03 +0200
    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 05:57 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 01:01 -0500
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 07:42 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:16 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 08:16 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:25 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:02 +0000
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:26 +0000

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#77546

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 20:09 +0000
Message-ID<10f82a6$32ndv$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77543
On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 20:43:53 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> ^K^B   doesn't work, the ^B is intercepted because it is used by tmux 
> itself.

I use GNU screen, which by default interprets CTRL/A as its escape 
character.

But I change this to CTRL/Z by having the following line in my 
~/.screenrc:

    escape ^Zz

Why CTRL/Z? Because that is the usual shell job-control character. But the 
whole point of programs like screen/tmux is to do their own job control. 
So it makes sense to repurpose a now-mostly-useless character to 
substitute for one which might cause problems with software at the other 
end.

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#77564

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
Message-ID<10f8n8r$37v6h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77543
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-11-14 19:54, Rich wrote:
>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/11/25 15:22, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Probably like my experience with emacs as a Vim user. I use Gvim not
>>>>>> because of the menus but so it spawns a separate window instead of
>>>>>> grabbing a terminal. With emacs I was completely lost until it grew a
>>>>>> menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am working too often via ssh on servers to like spawning the window.
>>>>
>>>> True. I use Vim when I'm ssh'd in. For me that's mostly a RPi 3+ on a
>>>> robotic dog :) Even on the RPi 5 I'm more likely to use vncviewer. I'm
>>>> flexible.
>>>
>>>    Um ... 'nano' works just marvy with SSH - and
>>>    goes much quicker than any of those ancient
>>>    line editors. Just sayin ...
>> 
>> So does Joe in its multiple variant configurations (as it is purely a
>> terminal program).  So works over ssh, works over telnet (if anyone is
>> still telnetting), works inside a screen session, works inside a
>> splittv pane, works in an xterm, etc.
> 
> Does not work fully inside "tmux", some of the commands interfere.
> 
> ^K^B   doesn't work, the ^B is intercepted because it is used by tmux 
> itself.

Screen's default ^A for it's "screen command" also interferes with 
Joe's ^A from WordStar.  I reconfigured screen to use ^J which did not 
interfere.

>> But, no 'menus', so one does have to have the keybinding keystrokes
>> memorized.  There is a WordStar inspired pop-up 'help pane' that shows
>> the key bindings for those just starting down the memorize the keys
>> path.
> 
> Wordstar could disable the menus, or have then appear after the first 
> key press of a command.  So press ^K and you would see the 
> possibilities.

Ah yes, you are right, WordStar offered the options of always visible 
menus, menu's appearing after a delay from pressing the prefix key, and 
no menu at all.

Joe does not have the "after delay" menus, but one can have always 
visible and opens when a specific key is hit (IIRC ^J was Joe's 'show 
help menu' which was why I picked it for reconfiguring screen).

I seldom ever call open the menu's in any case in Joe, as I've been 
using WordStar key bindings since Turbo Pascal 4 on DOS circa 1997 and 
later real WordStar 7.0 on DOS (both actual DOS [w/ DesqView] and later 
DOS inside Dosemu on Linux) for a very long number of years.

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#77569

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-14 23:14 -0500
Message-ID<GmmdnRWEWtyrY4r0nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77564
On 11/14/25 21:07, Rich wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2025-11-14 19:54, Rich wrote:
>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>> On 11/11/25 15:22, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Probably like my experience with emacs as a Vim user. I use Gvim not
>>>>>>> because of the menus but so it spawns a separate window instead of
>>>>>>> grabbing a terminal. With emacs I was completely lost until it grew a
>>>>>>> menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am working too often via ssh on servers to like spawning the window.
>>>>>
>>>>> True. I use Vim when I'm ssh'd in. For me that's mostly a RPi 3+ on a
>>>>> robotic dog :) Even on the RPi 5 I'm more likely to use vncviewer. I'm
>>>>> flexible.
>>>>
>>>>     Um ... 'nano' works just marvy with SSH - and
>>>>     goes much quicker than any of those ancient
>>>>     line editors. Just sayin ...
>>>
>>> So does Joe in its multiple variant configurations (as it is purely a
>>> terminal program).  So works over ssh, works over telnet (if anyone is
>>> still telnetting), works inside a screen session, works inside a
>>> splittv pane, works in an xterm, etc.
>>
>> Does not work fully inside "tmux", some of the commands interfere.
>>
>> ^K^B   doesn't work, the ^B is intercepted because it is used by tmux
>> itself.
> 
> Screen's default ^A for it's "screen command" also interferes with
> Joe's ^A from WordStar.  I reconfigured screen to use ^J which did not
> interfere.
> 

   Joe's is pretty good ... one step up from nano, adding
   a few goodies without getting too complicated.

   Only time I use telnet these days is to test socket servers
   before broader deployment.

>>> But, no 'menus', so one does have to have the keybinding keystrokes
>>> memorized.  There is a WordStar inspired pop-up 'help pane' that shows
>>> the key bindings for those just starting down the memorize the keys
>>> path.
>>
>> Wordstar could disable the menus, or have then appear after the first
>> key press of a command.  So press ^K and you would see the
>> possibilities.
> 
> Ah yes, you are right, WordStar offered the options of always visible
> menus, menu's appearing after a delay from pressing the prefix key, and
> no menu at all.
> 
> Joe does not have the "after delay" menus, but one can have always
> visible and opens when a specific key is hit (IIRC ^J was Joe's 'show
> help menu' which was why I picked it for reconfiguring screen).
> 
> I seldom ever call open the menu's in any case in Joe, as I've been
> using WordStar key bindings since Turbo Pascal 4 on DOS circa 1997 and
> later real WordStar 7.0 on DOS (both actual DOS [w/ DesqView] and later
> DOS inside Dosemu on Linux) for a very long number of years.
>

   Got really used to WordStar keys using the Turbo products
   so I don't want to change any of those.

   Hmm ... you can get DOS Turbo Pascal and Turbo C for
   free now. Run 'em in any DOS emulator. Always skipped
   Turbo Prolog ... MIGHT just look at that for fun now.

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#77586

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-15 22:23 +0100
Message-ID<qi7nulx9n7.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77564
On 2025-11-15 03:07, Rich wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2025-11-14 19:54, Rich wrote:
>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>> On 11/11/25 15:22, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:


> 
>>> But, no 'menus', so one does have to have the keybinding keystrokes
>>> memorized.  There is a WordStar inspired pop-up 'help pane' that shows
>>> the key bindings for those just starting down the memorize the keys
>>> path.
>>
>> Wordstar could disable the menus, or have then appear after the first
>> key press of a command.  So press ^K and you would see the
>> possibilities.
> 
> Ah yes, you are right, WordStar offered the options of always visible
> menus, menu's appearing after a delay from pressing the prefix key, and
> no menu at all.
> 
> Joe does not have the "after delay" menus, but one can have always
> visible and opens when a specific key is hit (IIRC ^J was Joe's 'show
> help menu' which was why I picked it for reconfiguring screen).
> 
> I seldom ever call open the menu's in any case in Joe, as I've been
> using WordStar key bindings since Turbo Pascal 4 on DOS circa 1997 and
> later real WordStar 7.0 on DOS (both actual DOS [w/ DesqView] and later
> DOS inside Dosemu on Linux) for a very long number of years.

I have the key bindings welded into my memory, since using turbo pascal 
2 :-)

Just days ago I found that ^K^I for increase block indent is now ^K. for 
more or ^K, for less, in jstar

And I found it when I noticed on top of the help window ESC. for more help:

turn off with ^J     more help with ESC . (^[.)

Why not page up, page down? Ah, because they work on the typing window. 
Grrr.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77375

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-12 00:38 -0500
Message-ID<ysWdnVG7PO_UgIn0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77343
On 11/11/25 15:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> 
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> Probably like my experience with emacs as a Vim user. I use Gvim not
>>> because of the menus but so it spawns a separate window instead of
>>> grabbing a terminal. With emacs I was completely lost until it grew a
>>> menu.
>>
>> I am working too often via ssh on servers to like spawning the window.
> 
> True. I use Vim when I'm ssh'd in. For me that's mostly a RPi 3+ on a
> robotic dog :) Even on the RPi 5 I'm more likely to use vncviewer. I'm
> flexible.

   VNC is very useful, usually, esp for your local
   servers. Nice clean virtual GUI, all the goodies.
   Works on PCs, or Pi's. Even early PIs can offer a
   usable VNC connection.

   However getting the configs JUST right is often a
   serious pain in the ass - and 'examples' are far
   TOO often off base or just dead wrong.

   Mostly these days I put XFCE on everything. Like
   LXDE a little better on the whole but you don't
   see AS much support for it these days. LX-QT,
   no, don't like it - just ain't the same.

   But search for VNC setup even for XFCE and and
   you'll get fifty often quite different 'solutions'.
   Only one or two will work right. Main issue is
   the grey screen. Sometimes using SSH to restart
   the server fixes that, sometimes not, irritating
   in any case.

   Pref TightVNCServer still ... it's straight-up
   and easily offers servers on any port you want.
   Always put 'em on non-standard ports ... and
   HAVE seen people fishing on the standard port.
   Main dis ... short passwords ... but if you hide
   it on an unusual port it's not so evil. 'Corporate'
   you might want something else.

   Even thus, 90% of the time, I do an SSH connection
   to the machine ... terminal, nano ... you can do
   almost anything you need. (btw, don't put SSH on
   the standard port either and engage all the
   anti-attack limitations in the config file too).

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#77424

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-12 20:34 +0000
Message-ID<mnk9abFf6c0U8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77375
On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 00:38:26 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    Pref TightVNCServer still ... it's straight-up and easily offers
>    servers on any port you want. Always put 'em on non-standard ports
>    ... and HAVE seen people fishing on the standard port. Main dis ...
>    short passwords ... but if you hide it on an unusual port it's not so
>    evil. 'Corporate'
>    you might want something else.

That's what I put on the Mint laptop. It came up on 5901. That's in the 
standard range but the Ubuntu vncviewer expected 5900. It took longer than 
it should have to sort out the 'connection refused' message.

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#77536

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 18:57 +0000
Message-ID<10f7u3h$319rb$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77375
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 11/11/25 15:22, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>> 
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> Probably like my experience with emacs as a Vim user. I use Gvim not
>>>> because of the menus but so it spawns a separate window instead of
>>>> grabbing a terminal. With emacs I was completely lost until it grew a
>>>> menu.
>>>
>>> I am working too often via ssh on servers to like spawning the window.
>> 
>> True. I use Vim when I'm ssh'd in. For me that's mostly a RPi 3+ on a
>> robotic dog :) Even on the RPi 5 I'm more likely to use vncviewer. I'm
>> flexible.
> 
>   VNC is very useful, usually, esp for your local
>   servers. Nice clean virtual GUI, all the goodies.
>   Works on PCs, or Pi's. Even early PIs can offer a
>   usable VNC connection.

But it also does require the other end to be running a graphical 
interface in some form.  A pure headless server setup with only 
terminal/ssh access is usually never running a graphical interface 
(either real or virtual).  

>   However getting the configs JUST right is often a
>   serious pain in the ass - and 'examples' are far
>   TOO often off base or just dead wrong.

x11vnc on the server side, and vncviewer on the viewer side, provided 
the two systems have IP packet routing connectivity between themselves, 
is usually 'configuration free' and 'just works'.

But it does require the serving side be running an X server already.

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#77533

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 18:46 +0000
Message-ID<10f7tdp$319rb$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77258
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/11/2025 05:06, c186282 wrote:
>> Alas when DOS first appeared, everything was centered
>>    on using 'edlin'. Just HORRIBLE !
> 
> I had already cut my teeth on Wordstar on CP/M and vi on Unix...I don't 
> think I ever *didn't* have a copy of Wordstar on DOS, though how I 
> acquired it  I do not know...:-)
> 
> It wasn't the best general purpose text editor, but it was far from the 
> worst.

Joe, in jstar mode, is a fairly decent WordStar clone key binding wise.  
I've further tweaked my .jstarrc to make it even more a WordStar key 
binding clone than the default, but it's usable even without tweaking 
for anyone who has the WordStar keys burned into their memory.

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#77269

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-10 21:16 +0100
Message-ID<8pt9ulxl38.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77225
On 2025-11-10 06:06, c186282 wrote:
> On 11/9/25 07:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 09/11/2025 06:42, c186282 wrote:
>>> Wrote my own 'edlin' replacement, full-screen editor,
>>>    way way back when DOS first came out. All ASM. Not
>>>    gonna put up with that shit.
>>
>> 'Joes own editor' is  a great piece of code too
> 
>    I've used Joe's and it's pretty good indeed. However
>    for most day-2-day stuff ... even writing short Python
>    scripts ... I mostly just use 'nano'. Put nano in one
>    terminal, a second for execution, back and forth, it
>    goes quite fast. Over maybe 100 lines then you really
>    do want a better editor. Note that 'MC' has one built
>    in, sometimes use that.
> 
>    Alas when DOS first appeared, everything was centered
>    on using 'edlin'. Just HORRIBLE ! Knew modern PCs could
>    easily do a lot better, so I did it. I'm sure many
>    others did as well. There's just no point/reason for
>    line editors past 1984 folks !

Once I used edlin with a printer to edit a file. The display was not 
working.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77532

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 18:44 +0000
Message-ID<10f7tae$319rb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77225
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>   Put nano in one terminal, a second for execution, back and forth, 
>   it goes quite fast.

"splitvt" can also be useful for that, esp.  if one uses the editor 
keystroke bindings instead of a mouse as one can "switch" splitvt panes 
via a control hot key.

Of course, if your editor's key bindings overlap with splitvt's switch 
key, you either have to escape that keystroke, or remap one of the two 
to a different key binding.

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#77191

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-09 19:56 +0000
Message-ID<mnc9ujF4tpaU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77160
On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 01:42:23 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    Actually RENAME the fuckin' line editors that still come with Linux
>    so they won't automatically evoke. Nano is the minimum ... and I do
>    use it a lot.

I can live with nano if push comes to shove but one of the first things I 
do with a new install is 'sudo apt install vim' or whatever the local 
jargon is.

Old man grumble: apt, dnf, zypper, pacman, etc are all pretty much the 
same. Do distro makers like new names?

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#77268

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-10 21:17 +0100
Message-ID<lrt9ulxl38.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77191
On 2025-11-09 20:56, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 01:42:23 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Actually RENAME the fuckin' line editors that still come with Linux
>>     so they won't automatically evoke. Nano is the minimum ... and I do
>>     use it a lot.
> 
> I can live with nano if push comes to shove but one of the first things I
> do with a new install is 'sudo apt install vim' or whatever the local
> jargon is.
> 
> Old man grumble: apt, dnf, zypper, pacman, etc are all pretty much the
> same. Do distro makers like new names?

myrlyn :-p

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77148

Fromvallor <vallor@vallor.earth>
Date2025-11-09 01:21 +0000
Message-ID<10eoqau$2u7bc$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77101
At Sat, 08 Nov 2025 11:56:21 +0000, Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 21:50:41 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
> > 
> >    So, it all just comes to you by space-alien
> >    telepathic channels ?
> > 
> 
> "space-alien telepathic channel" = idiot-proof GUI = GNOME, KDE
> 
> 
> > 
> >    Oh, and we DON'T want just 'super-humans' using
> >    Linux ... 
> >
> 
> A programmer is not "super human," and Linux was/is made
> by and for programmers.
> 
> A fundamental command is "grep" and to effectively wield
> it one must understand regular expressions which are examples
> of a finite-state automaton.
> 
> Yet the article cited in the OP was directed at an audience
> that likely cannot even understand the concept of a "file."
> 
> 
> >
> > it's better than Win and we want to woo
> >    people away from total M$ dependence.
> >
> 
> The purpose of GNU/Linux is not to "woo people
> away" from M$ but only to provide a computing platform
> that is suitable for knowledgeable programmers.
> 
> It is players like IBM/RedHat/Ubuntu that are peddling
> the OS to total dummies.

Larry P. here has been trying to make Linux users look
bad for years in cola.

His posts are so far out there that they defy belief that
he is at all serious.  Poe's Law applies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

ObLinux:

This newsreader runs on tk/perl on Linux, and potentially
might run on MacOS with some work.  Trying to release a
beta this weekend...

-- 
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   OS: Linux 6.18.0-rc4 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 
   NVIDIA: 580.105.08 Mem: 258G
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#77271

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-10 21:21 +0100
Message-ID<k3u9ulxl38.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77148
On 2025-11-09 02:21, vallor wrote:

> His posts are so far out there that they defy belief that
> he is at all serious.  Poe's Law applies.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Didn't know it had a name.


-- 
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ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77220

Fromcandycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
Date2025-11-10 00:00 +0000
Message-ID<slrn10h2a6v.2fvta.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid>
In reply to#77086
Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:09 this Friday (GMT):
> What a stupid fucking issue.
>
> All the posters who took time to respond to this "click bait"
> should be ashamed.
>
> This is just journalistic fluff.
>
> Anyone who enters GNU/Linux should already know ALL the
> commands, or at least have the ability to rapidly learn
> them.  It's not rocket science.
>
> The intellectually decrepit journalists are rejoicing
> in the collective stupidity that is shown here.


Coreutils has over 100 commands...
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#77097

FromAnssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi>
Date2025-11-08 13:24 +0200
Message-ID<sm08qggahs5.fsf@lakka.kapsi.fi>
In reply to#77043
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

> Thoughts on Jack Wallen’s list
> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-first-8-linux-commands-every-new-user-should-learn/>?
> My comments:
>
> * Don’t use “ls -a”, use “ls -A” instead. The former shows the useless
>   “.” and ”..” entries that nobody wants to see, the latter keeps them
>   hidden.

I feel like I almost never use -a or -A. I don't need to list the
"hidden" dirs, I know what and where they are. Usually. Hard to think on
a newb's point of view.

> * rm, cp and mv all take the “-v” option so they tell you what they’ve
>   done after they’ve done it. This can be reassuring to those feeling
>   a little nervous about the power of these commands.

Also works as a progress indicator. Less of a thing for people with only
SSDs and 10Gbps+ networks but some of us plod on with hard disks for
storage.

> * Furthermore, cp and mv also take the “-i” option, which will ask you
>   to confirm if an item already exists under the new name. Handy to
>   guard against accidental overwrites.

It's funny, I remember a long ago some sysadmin spoke against these,
especially in aliases. He felt people just start typing e.g. \cp always
to bypass the alias and overwriting or deleting their important
files. So, useless in his admin point of view. Of course, he was really
just complaining he had to restore his users' files back from backups. I
can't say I've bumbled with that very often, despite having cp, mv and
rm aliases with -i for over 30 years now but I felt his point was kinda
valid in a "don't do it, then" sort of way.

> * The “less” command has lots of useful options. I particularly like
>   “-X” to stop it clearing the screen when it exits, and “-i” to make
>   searches case-insensitive by default.

I like -X too for some things, git branch -a for example since usually I
want to see the branches also after git exits. But less doesn't actually
clear the screen without -X, it restores what was there before. I find
it great I can just peek into a man page or a readme file without
messing up what was already on the screen. Sure I could use another
terminal or tab or whatever but why.

Good thing git uses $GIT_PAGER so I can put less -iX -E -R there and
something else in $PAGER.

> Further, I don’t know why Linux distros don’t just replace the
> traditional “more” command with “less” under the “more” name, and be
> done with it.

For years I used to have a simple l alias: ls -lF|more and that was
almost all of my use of more. The rest was usually vanilla or embedded
systems with no less installed. More is still a way better pager than
nothing. My recent playing with old PC/IX was made much harder by not
having even a pager, until I chased down some simple variant of pg I
could easily compile there.

Then someone decided I need to add --exit-on-eof starting with some
version of GNU more to retain old behaviour. So eventually it mutated to
a function using less:

l () {
    ls --color=always -lF "$@" | less -iX -E -R
}

And yes, I want color too. Seems to help with getting old.

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#77133

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-08 20:54 +0000
Message-ID<mn9oviFmhnmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77097
On Sat, 08 Nov 2025 13:24:42 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote:

> I feel like I almost never use -a or -A. I don't need to list the
> "hidden"
> dirs, I know what and where they are. Usually. Hard to think on a newb's
> point of view.

If everybody played nice and put their configuration files in .config it 
would be nice. As is, I have 49 hidden files, not including .config 
ranging from .arduino15 to .vim_Vundle.

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#77135

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-11-08 21:43 +0000
Message-ID<10eodir$2rsga$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77097
On Sat, 08 Nov 2025 13:24:42 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote:

> I feel like I almost never use -a or -A. I don't need to list the
> "hidden" dirs, I know what and where they are.

How many do you have in your home directory?

    ldo@theon:~> ls ~/ | wc -l
    34
    ldo@theon:~> ls -A ~/ | wc -l
    304
    ldo@theon:~> ls -d ~/.[!.]* | wc -l
    270

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#77177

FromStéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
Date2025-11-09 14:08 +0000
Message-ID<6910a07b$0$10307$426a34cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#77135
Le 08-11-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2025 13:24:42 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote:
>
>> I feel like I almost never use -a or -A. I don't need to list the
>> "hidden" dirs, I know what and where they are.

I guess you are right about most users because most users don't use ls.

> How many do you have in your home directory?
>
>     ldo@theon:~> ls ~/ | wc -l
>     34
>     ldo@theon:~> ls -A ~/ | wc -l
>     304
>     ldo@theon:~> ls -d ~/.[!.]* | wc -l
>     270

Mostly almost all of my hidden files/directories are in my home
directory. I have some .git directories outside of it but almost nothing
else.

And, for a fact, most users don't edit config files manually but are
using GUI to do that. So, the number of config files is irrelevant to
the need to display them. And when you have around three hundred config
files, displaying two more, even if they are useless, isn't a big deal.

-- 
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#77212

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-11-09 23:39 +0000
Message-ID<10er8nh$3kmsv$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77177
On 09 Nov 2025 14:08:59 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Mostly almost all of my hidden files/directories are in my home
> directory.

The thought of all that clutter does not offend you?

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