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| First post | 2025-12-29 04:04 +0000 |
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Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 04:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 02:31 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 17:09 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:33 -0700
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 15:40 -0800
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 01:30 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 08:57 -0800
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:51 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:06 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:38 +0100
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:11 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-30 07:38 -0700
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 15:04 +0000
Innovation (was Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-30 21:40 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 22:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 19:23 -0700
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 03:53 +0000
OT: incompetence of companies (was: Re: naughty Python) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 10:03 +0000
Re: OT: incompetence of companies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:14 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 21:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 19:47 -0500
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 01:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 03:07 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:45 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:11 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:13 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:13 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:21 -0500
Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 22:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:32 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 07:28 -0700
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 15:55 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:40 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:29 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:18 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 22:22 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:12 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:56 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-01-04 09:22 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:16 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 21:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:11 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 10:49 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:57 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:37 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:21 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:28 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:04 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 14:22 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:47 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 02:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 22:37 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:56 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-08 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:57 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-07 09:41 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 10:29 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:42 -0500
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:01 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:45 -0800
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 18:23 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:11 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:23 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:48 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-08 19:32 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:36 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 18:46 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 22:15 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 20:13 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:40 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 22:23 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 07:58 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 08:06 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:51 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 10:54 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:36 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 13:24 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 07:42 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 19:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 13:03 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 23:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:39 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:05 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:49 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 21:19 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:45 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:45 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 14:26 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:17 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:26 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:29 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-10 18:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:50 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:48 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:19 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:07 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 12:14 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 09:45 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 20:51 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:03 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:31 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 05:39 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:17 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:29 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 17:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 20:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:30 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:05 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 17:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 03:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 22:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-13 07:41 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:38 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:00 +0000
Naughty Cat Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 14:29 -0500
Re: Naughty Cat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:42 +0000
Re: Naughty Cat Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-14 07:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 19:34 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:49 +0000
Tinned tuna [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:58 +0100
Oil down the drain [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:53 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:43 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:34 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:11 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 19:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 00:37 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:18 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:15 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:10 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 00:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 04:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:12 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:41 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 22:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 01:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-16 21:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2026-01-18 12:30 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 21:08 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-19 16:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:25 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-13 04:35 -0600
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 15:38 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 09:36 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-09 09:19 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:55 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 18:48 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:31 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:18 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:42 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 22:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:53 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:51 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:20 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:15 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:33 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:20 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:14 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 12:33 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:50 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 13:37 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:19 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:30 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:30 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:40 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:47 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:36 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:33 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 23:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:51 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:38 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 19:21 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 23:20 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:20 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:34 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:19 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:42 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 14:43 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:15 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 19:28 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:47 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:16 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 20:56 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-10 03:12 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:52 +0000
Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 00:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:54 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:36 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:13 -0700
Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:24 +0000
Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:49 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:43 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:47 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 00:27 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 18:41 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:06 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:44 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:40 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-11 05:55 -0600
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-11 14:18 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-11 17:00 +0100
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:44 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:49 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:52 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 17:03 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 20:16 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:01 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 06:31 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:09 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 14:21 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 17:54 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:46 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:31 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:24 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:36 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:04 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:52 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 23:34 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:50 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:55 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-12 02:42 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:50 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 09:14 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:12 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-12 14:48 -0600
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:48 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-11 01:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:41 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:42 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:33 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:54 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:40 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:09 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:46 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:19 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 12:39 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:53 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:06 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 23:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:41 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:59 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 21:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 20:09 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 02:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:05 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:48 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:15 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:39 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:25 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 20:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:25 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 14:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 21:43 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 23:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 20:14 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 05:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 06:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 06:58 +0000
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 17:14 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:58 -0500
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 21:11 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:37 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:24 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:51 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 10:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:27 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:54 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 07:10 -0500
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:34 +0100
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:38 +0100
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 08:49 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:26 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:08 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:32 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:08 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-03 02:47 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:03 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:43 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:42 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:29 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:14 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 09:43 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:18 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 19:04 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:55 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:29 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:59 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:55 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:43 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:08 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 20:32 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:25 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:19 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 08:26 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:48 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:20 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:24 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:44 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:31 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 12:16 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 11:12 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 16:25 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 17:59 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:59 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:57 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 13:37 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:30 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:26 +0000
Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:50 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:06 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:24 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 23:10 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 00:22 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 21:00 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:24 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-08 01:00 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:27 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:29 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 10:02 +0000
Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:53 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:34 -0700
Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 15:13 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 12:20 -0700
Re: Naughty C♯ John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 11:40 -0800
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:20 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:36 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:09 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:36 +0100
Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 -0700
Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:04 +0000
What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 15:15 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:10 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:59 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:54 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 01:40 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:30 +0100
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:49 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:47 -0500
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:23 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:34 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) sean@conman.org - 2026-01-09 00:23 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 04:54 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:08 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:18 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0100
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:57 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:59 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 06:13 -0500
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:22 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:17 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 18:59 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:26 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:34 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 08:24 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:06 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:50 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:03 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:11 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-01-07 12:01 +0000
Re: Naughty Java (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:09 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:31 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:04 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:25 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 15:47 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 09:20 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:10 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 23:28 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:14 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:23 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:57 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:24 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:14 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 11:03 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 09:00 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-07 12:23 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:01 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 20:55 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:58 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:48 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 20:17 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:29 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:21 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 18:13 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 19:48 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:37 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:17 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:01 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 07:07 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:05 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:32 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:33 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 15:00 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:52 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 19:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-03 06:09 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 16:58 -0500
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 08:01 -0700
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 16:25 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 07:14 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 20:25 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:59 -0700
Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 16:31 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:20 +0000
Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:35 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:36 +0000
Re: naughty Python Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-06 03:31 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:20 +0000
Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 18:48 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:02 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 00:27 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 02:09 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 14:18 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:40 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 22:23 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:36 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-10 14:53 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 15:08 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 02:00 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:34 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 16:14 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:31 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:17 +0100
Re: Case-dependant file systems The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 13:36 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:05 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:15 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:02 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:13 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 21:08 +0000
Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 22:41 +0000
Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 15:44 -0800
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:19 -0500
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:08 -0500
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 20:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 00:06 -0500
Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:30 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:15 -0500
Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:34 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:17 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:11 -0500
Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:46 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:45 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:05 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:42 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:12 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:50 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:39 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:21 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 15:08 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 15:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 00:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:11 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:09 +0000
The Egg (was: Re: naughty Python) vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 01:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:10 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:39 -0500
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 11:46 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 21:50 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:37 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 01:15 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 20:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:23 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:16 -0500
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 10:30 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:10 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:37 +0100
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:23 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 04:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:24 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:32 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-01-02 13:06 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 09:41 -0500
Electronic calculators "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:57 +0100
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:36 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:07 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:36 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 08:50 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 10:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-03 07:39 -0700
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:22 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:14 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:57 -0700
Re: naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:47 +0100
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:27 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-03 14:24 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:08 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:48 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 02:53 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:24 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 05:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 13:15 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:44 -0500
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:43 -0700
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 10:06 -0500
Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 17:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:04 -0500
Re: naughty Python Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-03 08:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:44 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 15:27 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 02:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-03 03:15 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:25 -0500
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-01 23:35 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:13 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:46 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:58 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:19 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:26 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:17 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 20:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jjpm8$3iqe$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80580 |
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 07:42:36 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > I think Brinch-Hansen used Modula-2. Didn’t he create his own language, called “Edison”?
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 07:27 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jlqge$mvh2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80615 |
On 1/6/26 13:01, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 07:42:36 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > >> I think Brinch-Hansen used Modula-2. > > Didn’t he create his own language, called “Edison”? Apparently. I have a copy of his _Operating System Principles_ from many moons ago. I recently came across this site: http://pascal.hansotten.com/per-brinch-hansen/
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| From | antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 22:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jk2i8$1d1nr$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #80580 |
In alt.folklore.computers Peter Flass <Peter@iron-spring.com> wrote:
> On 1/5/26 21:18, c186282 wrote:
>> On 1/5/26 22:37, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> On 1/5/26 17:57, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 1/5/26 13:49, John Ames wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:31:33 +0000
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The statement "Pascal has no I/O" originates from
>>>>>> Brian Kernighan’s 1981 essay, "Why Pascal is Not My Favorite
>>>>>> Programming Language".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kernighan argued that the original 1970 definition of Pascal was
>>>>>> severely limited for systems programming because:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, that was it - not *no* I/O in the sense that was true of Algol,
>>>>> but weird and constrained in ways that betray its origins as a teaching
>>>>> language. Mainly, files are assumed to be of a uniform structure; you
>>>>> can have a FILE OF CHAR or a FILE OF INTEGER, but not a file containing
>>>>> both strings and integers. If you want to do *that,* you're supposed to
>>>>> make a struct and have a FILE OF that, but this too has to be the same
>>>>> across the whole thing. Files of mixed or variable structure? Who uses
>>>>> *those!?*
>>>>>
>>>>> Like many of Wirth's design choices, it sounds simple on paper but is
>>>>> unnecessarily confining in the Real World - and, as Kernighan points
>>>>> out, there were no "escape hatches" for extending the language from
>>>>> within, leading to a bunch of proprietary and mutually-incompatible
>>>>> variants. Obviously, it's been decades and the landscape has changed
>>>>> substantially, but it really was dunderheaded at the time.
>>>>
>>>> Wirth was an 'academic' - and Pascal/M2/M3 kind
>>>> of reflect that.
>>>>
>>>> However it WAS easy to extend the language - add in
>>>> those Real World necessities. By the time Turbo Pascal
>>>> hit the scene there really wasn't anything you could
>>>> not do with Pascal.
>>>>
>>>> And I still write in Pascal fairly often - like
>>>> it better than 'C'.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure to what extent there was an attempt early on to
>>> standardize the extensions, but this would have helped adoption of the
>>> language immensely.
>>
>> Turbo Pascal kinda set the Better Standard LONG back.
>>
>> For Linux (and Win), this continues with FPC.
>>
>> GNU Pascal also supports inline ASM, but in a
>> slightly different format.
>>
>> Anyway, you COULD write an OS in Pascal. Maybe
>> someone has, dunno.
>>
>
> I think Brinch-Hansen used Modula-2.
I remember name of Concurrent Pascal. My impression was that
Brinch-Hansen used Concurrent Pascal.
--
Waldek Hebisch
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 20:53 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <pRmdnZcvyLQOIcD0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80630 |
On 1/6/26 17:32, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > In alt.folklore.computers Peter Flass <Peter@iron-spring.com> wrote: >> On 1/5/26 21:18, c186282 wrote: >>> On 1/5/26 22:37, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> On 1/5/26 17:57, c186282 wrote: >>>>> On 1/5/26 13:49, John Ames wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:31:33 +0000 >>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "The statement "Pascal has no I/O" originates from >>>>>>> Brian Kernighan’s 1981 essay, "Why Pascal is Not My Favorite >>>>>>> Programming Language". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kernighan argued that the original 1970 definition of Pascal was >>>>>>> severely limited for systems programming because: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, that was it - not *no* I/O in the sense that was true of Algol, >>>>>> but weird and constrained in ways that betray its origins as a teaching >>>>>> language. Mainly, files are assumed to be of a uniform structure; you >>>>>> can have a FILE OF CHAR or a FILE OF INTEGER, but not a file containing >>>>>> both strings and integers. If you want to do *that,* you're supposed to >>>>>> make a struct and have a FILE OF that, but this too has to be the same >>>>>> across the whole thing. Files of mixed or variable structure? Who uses >>>>>> *those!?* >>>>>> >>>>>> Like many of Wirth's design choices, it sounds simple on paper but is >>>>>> unnecessarily confining in the Real World - and, as Kernighan points >>>>>> out, there were no "escape hatches" for extending the language from >>>>>> within, leading to a bunch of proprietary and mutually-incompatible >>>>>> variants. Obviously, it's been decades and the landscape has changed >>>>>> substantially, but it really was dunderheaded at the time. >>>>> >>>>> Wirth was an 'academic' - and Pascal/M2/M3 kind >>>>> of reflect that. >>>>> >>>>> However it WAS easy to extend the language - add in >>>>> those Real World necessities. By the time Turbo Pascal >>>>> hit the scene there really wasn't anything you could >>>>> not do with Pascal. >>>>> >>>>> And I still write in Pascal fairly often - like >>>>> it better than 'C'. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not sure to what extent there was an attempt early on to >>>> standardize the extensions, but this would have helped adoption of the >>>> language immensely. >>> >>> Turbo Pascal kinda set the Better Standard LONG back. >>> >>> For Linux (and Win), this continues with FPC. >>> >>> GNU Pascal also supports inline ASM, but in a >>> slightly different format. >>> >>> Anyway, you COULD write an OS in Pascal. Maybe >>> someone has, dunno. >>> >> >> I think Brinch-Hansen used Modula-2. > > I remember name of Concurrent Pascal. My impression was that > Brinch-Hansen used Concurrent Pascal. I think you're right. M2 is pretty good, and M3 was kind of the spiffed-up version. Can't FIND a damned working M3 compiler for Linux alas - all options won't install or deliver naught but many incomprehensible errors.
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 11:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jlhbq$dl2$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #80630 |
In article <10jk2i8$1d1nr$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> wrote: >In alt.folklore.computers Peter Flass <Peter@iron-spring.com> wrote: >> [snip] >> I think Brinch-Hansen used Modula-2. > >I remember name of Concurrent Pascal. My impression was that >Brinch-Hansen used Concurrent Pascal. He used many languages, but Concurrent Pascal was one of them. Modula-3 was not Wirth; that was DEC research. Wirth followed up Modula-2 with Oberon. - Dan C.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 08:20 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <20260106082054.00005631@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #80558 |
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 23:18:55 -0500 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Anyway, you COULD write an OS in Pascal. Maybe someone has, dunno. It was the language of choice at Apple, back in the day - large parts of original MacOS and the Lisa software were written in Pascal, dunno about the Apple II/III DOSes. Not sure which flavor they used or how extended it was; they certainly weren't shy about using 68k assembly for critical parts.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 10:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jincp$3lvil$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80553 |
On 06/01/2026 03:37, Peter Flass wrote: >> >> And I still write in Pascal fairly often - like >> it better than 'C'. >> > > I'm not sure to what extent there was an attempt early on to standardize > the extensions, but this would have helped adoption of the language > immensely. AFAIAC Pascal was C in a straitjacket with all the handy bits removed. I saw no reason to ever use it in preference. -- Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get. Mark Twain
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 06:33 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jiru3$3mje8$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80566 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > On 06/01/2026 03:37, Peter Flass wrote: >>> >>> And I still write in Pascal fairly often - like >>> it better than 'C'. >> >> I'm not sure to what extent there was an attempt early on to standardize >> the extensions, but this would have helped adoption of the language >> immensely. > > AFAIAC Pascal was C in a straitjacket with all the handy bits removed. > > I saw no reason to ever use it in preference. I remember at work recommending Borland C++, which I really liked based on Turbo C++ (IIRC). Imagine my dismay when seeing weird behavior in the debugger and then finding out that the VCL framework was... Delphi (Object Pascal). -- Even a cabbage may look at a king.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 19:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <ms55knFqgiaU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80571 |
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 06:33:22 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > The Natural Philosopher wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > >> On 06/01/2026 03:37, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> >>>> And I still write in Pascal fairly often - like it better than >>>> 'C'. >>> >>> I'm not sure to what extent there was an attempt early on to >>> standardize the extensions, but this would have helped adoption of the >>> language immensely. >> >> AFAIAC Pascal was C in a straitjacket with all the handy bits removed. >> >> I saw no reason to ever use it in preference. > > I remember at work recommending Borland C++, which I really liked based > on Turbo C++ (IIRC). > > Imagine my dismay when seeing weird behavior in the debugger and then > finding out that the VCL framework was... Delphi (Object Pascal). I preferred OWL to MFC but the 500# gorilla won.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 09:14 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <20260106091402.00000254@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #80553 |
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 20:37:59 -0700 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: > > However it WAS easy to extend the language - add in those Real > > World necessities. By the time Turbo Pascal hit the scene there > > really wasn't anything you could not do with Pascal. > > > > And I still write in Pascal fairly often - like it better than 'C'. > > I'm not sure to what extent there was an attempt early on to > standardize the extensions, but this would have helped adoption of > the language immensely. Yeah, that's the thing - anyone can extend a language by disregarding the original spec, changing what they don't like and adding what they want, and (re-)writing a compiler that adheres to their version, but then you have a different version with which the original language/ implementation is not compatible (and which may not even be a strict superset.) Get enough of those floating around, and it's the ol' Babel problem. That's not insurmountable (just look at how many microcomputer BASICs there were, and yet there was enough mutual intelligibility for people to publish books of computer games in source form, with tips in the back for tweaking things to run on particularly esoteric versions,) but it sure does make extra work for programmers :/
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-05 12:33 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jh3n1$3644m$1@nntp.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #80400 |
On 1/3/26 01:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > "The statement "Pascal has no I/O" originates from > Brian Kernighan’s 1981 essay, "Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming > Language". > > Kernighan argued that the original 1970 definition of Pascal was > severely limited for systems programming because: > > No Low-Level Access: The language lacked a way to override its > strict type system, making it impossible to write its own I/O systems or > memory allocators *within the language itself*. > > Fixed Array Sizes: Because array size was part of the type, a > function could not be written to handle strings or arrays of different > lengths, complicating general-purpose file I/O. > > Lack of Portability: Standard Pascal’s I/O was considered > "primitive," and any real-world use required implementation-specific > extensions that broke portability between compilers." > Actually, many systems programming languages have no I/O, the idea being that non-OS programs call the OS to do the I/O, and the OS interacts directly with the hardware.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-05 11:50 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <20260105115058.000054fc@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #80532 |
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 12:33:53 -0700 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: > Actually, many systems programming languages have no I/O, the idea > being that non-OS programs call the OS to do the I/O, and the OS > interacts directly with the hardware. "Systems programming" usually implies implementation of an OS, though, and IIRC that was the sense that Kernighan was using. You can't excuse limitations by "oh, the OS handles that" when your program *is* the OS.* * (Obviously, there's a certain point in any HLL where Deep Magic has to handle interfacing between language constructs and bare metal, but the higher up the "threshold of minimum abstraction" is, the less suitable it is for systems programming in the first place. Of course, there's also the problem where seemingly *any* language that's not designed for systems programming will ultimately get pressed into service for systems programming *somewhere...*)
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-05 13:37 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <20260105133755.00005e21@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #80533 |
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 11:50:58 -0800 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually, many systems programming languages have no I/O, the idea > > being that non-OS programs call the OS to do the I/O, and the OS > > interacts directly with the hardware. > > "Systems programming" usually implies implementation of an OS, though, > and IIRC that was the sense that Kernighan was using. Had to go back and double-check myself on this - his essay can be found at https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/bwk-on-pascal.html for those who want to read it. He doesn't use "systems programming" at all, and his cited examples have to do with general applications rather than OS implementation. (Of course, the same limitations that plagued vanilla Pascal for that do it no favors in anything lower-level.) What he actually says is: "Pascal's built-in I/O has a deservedly bad reputation. It believes strongly in record-oriented input and output." "The I/O design reflects the original operating system upon which Pascal was designed; even Wirth acknowledges that bias, though not its defects. It is assumed that text files consist of records, that is, lines of text. When the last character of a line is read, the built-in function 'eoln' becomes true; at that point, one must call 'readln' to initiate reading a new line and reset 'eoln'. Similarly, when the last character of the file is read, the built-in 'eof' becomes true. In both cases, 'eoln' and 'eof' must be tested before each 'read' rather than after." "There is no notion at all of access to a file system except for pre- defined files named by (in effect) logical unit number in the 'program' statement that begins each program. This apparently reflects the CDC batch system in which Pascal was originally developed. [...] Most imple- mentations of Pascal provide an escape hatch to allow access to files by name from the outside environment, but not conveniently and not standardly." "But 'reset' and 'rewrite' are procedures, not functions - there is no status return and no way to regain control if for some reason the att- empted access fails. [...] This straitjacket makes it essentially im- possible to write programs that recover from mis-spelled file names, etc." "There is no notion of access to command-line arguments, again probably reflecting Pascal's batch-processing origins." AFAICT some of those may have been solved by the time the ISO standard was finalized (the standard as I can find it online is much more of a "committee deciding on points of dispute" document than a language ref and I can't be bothered to dig that deep.) But none of these points are matters where the programmer is "helped" by delegating anything to the OS/runtime environment - indeed, if anything the opposite is true, and the programmer is needlessly bound to assumptions carried over from one specific environment (batch-oriented, record- or line-oriented.) And Kernighan's final summation certainly held true for the original flavor of the language, however many variants over the years have had their own (non-standard) fixes: "The language is inadequate but circumscribed, because there is no way to escape its limitations. There are no casts to disable the type- checking when necessary. There is no way to replace the defective run- time environment with a sensible one, unless one controls the compiler that defines the 'standard procedures.' The language is closed. [...] Because the language is so impotent, it must be extended. But each group extends Pascal in its own direction, to make it look like what- ever language they really want."
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 13:19 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <a8bv2mxm7h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80536 |
On 2026-01-05 22:37, John Ames wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 11:50:58 -0800 > John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Actually, many systems programming languages have no I/O, the idea >>> being that non-OS programs call the OS to do the I/O, and the OS >>> interacts directly with the hardware. >> >> "Systems programming" usually implies implementation of an OS, though, >> and IIRC that was the sense that Kernighan was using. > > Had to go back and double-check myself on this - his essay can be found > at https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/bwk-on-pascal.html > for those who want to read it. He doesn't use "systems programming" at > all, and his cited examples have to do with general applications rather > than OS implementation. (Of course, the same limitations that plagued > vanilla Pascal for that do it no favors in anything lower-level.) > > What he actually says is: > > "Pascal's built-in I/O has a deservedly bad reputation. It believes > strongly in record-oriented input and output." > > "The I/O design reflects the original operating system upon which > Pascal was designed; even Wirth acknowledges that bias, though not its > defects. It is assumed that text files consist of records, that is, > lines of text. When the last character of a line is read, the built-in > function 'eoln' becomes true; at that point, one must call 'readln' to > initiate reading a new line and reset 'eoln'. Similarly, when the last > character of the file is read, the built-in 'eof' becomes true. In both > cases, 'eoln' and 'eof' must be tested before each 'read' rather than > after." Turbo Pascal had "blockread/write". > > "There is no notion at all of access to a file system except for pre- > defined files named by (in effect) logical unit number in the 'program' > statement that begins each program. This apparently reflects the CDC > batch system in which Pascal was originally developed. [...] Most imple- > mentations of Pascal provide an escape hatch to allow access to files > by name from the outside environment, but not conveniently and not > standardly." Turbo Pascal had "assign". > > "But 'reset' and 'rewrite' are procedures, not functions - there is no > status return and no way to regain control if for some reason the att- > empted access fails. [...] This straitjacket makes it essentially im- > possible to write programs that recover from mis-spelled file names, > etc." Turbo Pascal had "ioresult". > > "There is no notion of access to command-line arguments, again probably > reflecting Pascal's batch-processing origins." Turbo Pascal had "ParamStr" and "ParamCount" > > AFAICT some of those may have been solved by the time the ISO standard > was finalized (the standard as I can find it online is much more of a > "committee deciding on points of dispute" document than a language ref > and I can't be bothered to dig that deep.) But none of these points are > matters where the programmer is "helped" by delegating anything to the > OS/runtime environment - indeed, if anything the opposite is true, and > the programmer is needlessly bound to assumptions carried over from one > specific environment (batch-oriented, record- or line-oriented.) > > And Kernighan's final summation certainly held true for the original > flavor of the language, however many variants over the years have had > their own (non-standard) fixes: I don't think anyone used the original flavor of the language. > > "The language is inadequate but circumscribed, because there is no way > to escape its limitations. There are no casts to disable the type- > checking when necessary. There is no way to replace the defective run- > time environment with a sensible one, unless one controls the compiler > that defines the 'standard procedures.' The language is closed. [...] > Because the language is so impotent, it must be extended. But each > group extends Pascal in its own direction, to make it look like what- > ever language they really want." > Currently there is FreePascal. You can choose the variant at compile time. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 08:30 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <20260106083038.00000777@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #80574 |
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:19:54 +0100 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > Turbo Pascal had [...] Sure did! But TP didn't roll out 'til 1983, thirteen years into the language's existence. > I don't think anyone used the original flavor of the language. The ISO standard wasn't finalized 'til 1983, the same year as TP; even UCSD Pascal didn't come around 'til 1977. But it was being used for teaching well before that, and Kernighan's essay was published in '81, so people were most definitely using (or trying to use) earlier forms of the language for stuff.
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 17:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jjfaa$ac7$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #80590 |
In article <20260106083038.00000777@gmail.com>, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: >On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:19:54 +0100 >"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> Turbo Pascal had [...] > >Sure did! But TP didn't roll out 'til 1983, thirteen years into the >language's existence. > >> I don't think anyone used the original flavor of the language. > >The ISO standard wasn't finalized 'til 1983, the same year as TP; even >UCSD Pascal didn't come around 'til 1977. But it was being used for >teaching well before that, and Kernighan's essay was published in '81, >so people were most definitely using (or trying to use) earlier forms >of the language for stuff. Kernighan was using the UCB Pascal system that was part of the (early) BSD distributions. That dialect predated Turbo Pascal by several years (1BSD shipped it in 1977). - Dan C.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-06 16:30 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <APCdnRI9vo1n48D0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80590 |
On 1/6/26 11:30, John Ames wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:19:54 +0100 > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> Turbo Pascal had [...] > > Sure did! But TP didn't roll out 'til 1983, thirteen years into the > language's existence. > >> I don't think anyone used the original flavor of the language. > > The ISO standard wasn't finalized 'til 1983, the same year as TP; even > UCSD Pascal didn't come around 'til 1977. But it was being used for > teaching well before that, and Kernighan's essay was published in '81, > so people were most definitely using (or trying to use) earlier forms > of the language for stuff. I used the M$/IBM multi-pass Pascal compiler (still have it in a VM) I *think* that came out maybe a year before TP. Remember seeing a little ad in a magazine for TP. The price was good, the claims seemed impressive. So, I bought it. NOT disappointed. Made development unbelievably quicker/easier. Had to wait until v3 to get good graphics though. Even found a good use for the 'turtle'.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 13:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <kr023mxeoi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80624 |
On 2026-01-06 22:30, c186282 wrote: > On 1/6/26 11:30, John Ames wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:19:54 +0100 >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Turbo Pascal had [...] >> >> Sure did! But TP didn't roll out 'til 1983, thirteen years into the >> language's existence. >> >>> I don't think anyone used the original flavor of the language. >> >> The ISO standard wasn't finalized 'til 1983, the same year as TP; even >> UCSD Pascal didn't come around 'til 1977. But it was being used for >> teaching well before that, and Kernighan's essay was published in '81, >> so people were most definitely using (or trying to use) earlier forms >> of the language for stuff. > > I used the M$/IBM multi-pass Pascal compiler (still > have it in a VM) I *think* that came out maybe a > year before TP. > > Remember seeing a little ad in a magazine for TP. > The price was good, the claims seemed impressive. > So, I bought it. NOT disappointed. Made development > unbelievably quicker/easier. Had to wait until v3 > to get good graphics though. Even found a good use > for the 'turtle'. > I remember trying both compilers. The M$ variant was unbelievable slow. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 07:47 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jlrlg$mvh2$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80673 |
On 1/7/26 05:40, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-06 22:30, c186282 wrote: >> On 1/6/26 11:30, John Ames wrote: >>> On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:19:54 +0100 >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Turbo Pascal had [...] >>> >>> Sure did! But TP didn't roll out 'til 1983, thirteen years into the >>> language's existence. >>> >>>> I don't think anyone used the original flavor of the language. >>> >>> The ISO standard wasn't finalized 'til 1983, the same year as TP; even >>> UCSD Pascal didn't come around 'til 1977. But it was being used for >>> teaching well before that, and Kernighan's essay was published in '81, >>> so people were most definitely using (or trying to use) earlier forms >>> of the language for stuff. >> >> I used the M$/IBM multi-pass Pascal compiler (still >> have it in a VM) I *think* that came out maybe a >> year before TP. >> >> Remember seeing a little ad in a magazine for TP. >> The price was good, the claims seemed impressive. >> So, I bought it. NOT disappointed. Made development >> unbelievably quicker/easier. Had to wait until v3 >> to get good graphics though. Even found a good use >> for the 'turtle'. >> > > I remember trying both compilers. The M$ variant was unbelievable slow. > Leave it to M$ (and IBM) to screw it up. Pascal was specifically designed for fast one-pass compilation.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 20:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jmefn$uk4a$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80680 |
On 07/01/2026 14:47, Peter Flass wrote:
> Leave it to M$ (and IBM) to screw it up. Pascal was specifically
> designed for fast one-pass compilation.
No., it wasn't. It was designed as a teaching language. Borland hacked
it about and made it a hacker paradise with as quick 'write/run' times
as BASIC
The people I knew who used it sung its praise but were on my opinion
crap amateur coders. They just 'hacked it till it (mostly) worked'
Ive seen the same people a generation later migrate to Python.
--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."
- Leo Tolstoy
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