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Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?

Started byAnssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi>
First post2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
Last post2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
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  Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400
      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200
        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000
          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200
            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000
              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400
        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400
          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000
            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400
              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:01 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:08 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:32 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:29 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-12 11:07 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 09:06 -0700
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-18 16:24 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-18 21:02 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-19 01:36 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:39 +0200
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 02:10 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:36 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:33 -0400
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:31 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:21 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-19 12:17 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:22 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:28 -0400
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:19 +0100
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 09:20 -0700
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:49 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:45 +0100
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:16 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:51 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 08:42 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 09:11 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 10:06 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:25 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:48 +0100
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:29 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:44 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 00:57 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:14 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:05 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 02:00 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:02 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:03 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 21:19 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:50 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 14:52 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:06 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 20:29 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:22 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:17 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:09 +0100
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:23 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:47 +0100
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:27 +0000
                                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
                                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:05 +0000
                                              Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:46 +0100
                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:47 +0000
                                                  Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:46 +0100
                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:41 +0000
                                                      Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:07 +0000
                                                      Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-10-30 17:29 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:31 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 19:31 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:35 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 15:18 -0700
                                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:17 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:46 -0700
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:25 +0000
                                                                      LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:38 +0100
                                                                        Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 20:50 -0400
                                                                          Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0000
                                                                          Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:41 +0100
                                                                          Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 00:12 +0000
                                                                              Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 00:19 -0500
                                                                                  Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 07:03 +0000
                                                                                    Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 14:20 -0500
                                                                                      Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:42 +0000
                                                                                          Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:31 -0500
                                                                                Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:48 +0100
                                                                            Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:42 +0000
                                                                              Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:33 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:21 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:59 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:41 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-31 19:02 -0700
                                                                      Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 02:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:32 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:19 +0000
                                                                            TV tropes (was: Re: Accents.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 13:10 +0100
                                                                                Re: TV tropes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 21:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:10 +0000
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:14 +0100
                                                                              Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 07:41 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-21 09:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 09:13 +0000
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:17 +0100
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 19:28 +0000
                                                                                      Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:43 +0100
                                                                                        Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 04:06 +0000
                                                                        Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Not Blade Runner Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:57 +0000
                                                                    Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:22 +0100
                                                                      Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:22 +0000
                                                                        Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:20 +0000
                                                                            Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Blade runner c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 15:40 -0500
                                                                                      Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 22:30 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 17:48 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Flashlights Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-11-03 20:26 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-04 04:55 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:35 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-05 03:44 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 01:05 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:08 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:33 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:37 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:26 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 11:56 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:42 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:30 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-07 16:20 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 18:11 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-07 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:42 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:08 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:31 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:06 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:04 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:41 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:07 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-11-09 19:05 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:58 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:12 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 05:09 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 01:31 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 07:51 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:19 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:55 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:39 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:52 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:32 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 06:49 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-22 03:14 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 11:32 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 22:00 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 02:35 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:40 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:15 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 01:42 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:09 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:17 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:19 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 21:58 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-24 20:28 +0100
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                                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-24 22:48 -0500
                                                                                                                    Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 07:59 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 03:43 -0500
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                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:38 +0100
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                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:32 +0100
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                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 22:26 +0000
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                                                                                                                                      City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-26 11:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 12:39 +0100
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                                                                                                                                              Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:15 +0000
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                                                                                                                                          Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 18:55 +0000
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                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-01 21:50 +0000
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                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 21:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Chemical photography Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-26 13:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 01:57 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                          Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:03 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                              Re: Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:43 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Punt guns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Punt guns Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 01:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 19:19 +0000
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                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 08:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 01:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Bears "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bears c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 00:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Repopulating bears, wolves... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 22:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:07 +0000
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                                                                                                                                        Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:23 +0100
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                                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:17 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                    Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 09:19 +0000
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                                                                                              Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:15 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:23 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
                                                                    Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
                                                                      Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
                                                                  Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
                                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
                                                          Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
                                                                        Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:54 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:15 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:10 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:49 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100
                                                                                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800
                                                                    Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700
                                                                          Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100
                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
                                                              Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:37 +0100
                                          OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-02 18:49 -0800
                                            Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 06:54 +0000
                                              Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-03 08:19 -0800
                                            Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:18 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:34 -0700
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:26 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:36 -0400
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:31 +0000
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:33 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:52 +0200
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:48 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:43 +0200
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:12 +0100
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:02 -0400
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 06:39 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-12 02:59 -0400
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:20 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-13 16:50 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:38 +0100
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:38 -0400
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:45 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:17 +0100
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 03:28 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:41 -0400
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:20 +0100
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:55 +0200
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 21:56 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:35 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:21 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:56 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:01 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:33 -0400
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:18 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:24 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:31 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 09:00 -0700
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:24 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 15:11 -0700
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:27 -0400
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:22 +0000
                                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:24 -0400
                                                Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:08 +0200
                                                  Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:15 -0400
                                                    Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:46 +0200
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 04:36 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 10:29 -0700
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:49 -0400
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:43 -0700
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-14 21:30 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:11 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100

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#76848 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmiooiFodrtU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76837
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first
> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and
> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen.

We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our 
clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to 
Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated 
and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it. 

Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police 
or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as 
'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom. 

Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't quite 
'murther' but there is more than just 'd'. 

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#76855 — Re: Accents.

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e1f65$7mmr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76848

On 10/30/25 20:29, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first
>> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and
>> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen.
> 
> We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our
> clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to
> Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated
> and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it.
> 
> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police
> or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as
> 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom.
> 
> Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't quite
> 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'.

	I have seen that "murthering bastards" in print.  It is a common thing 
apparently.

	"Ma'am" means boss because you know that is how the Queen was addressed by
people of appropriate rank.
	
	bliss

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#76860 — Re: Accents.

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e1rvm$b3bl$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76855
On 31/10/2025 04:50, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/30/25 20:29, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first
>>> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and
>>> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen.
>>
>> We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our
>> clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to
>> Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated
>> and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it.
>>
>> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police
>> or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as
>> 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom.
>>
>> Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't 
>> quite
>> 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'.
> 
>      I have seen that "murthering bastards" in print.  It is a common 
> thing apparently.
> 
>      "Ma'am" means boss because you know that is how the Queen was 
> addressed by
> people of appropriate rank.

Sir or ma'am.

For respect. Madam is more common in ordinary 'polite speech'


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name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating 
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its 
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of 
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must 
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

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#76871 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmkh14F3fffU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76855
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:50:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	"Ma'am" means boss because you know that is how the Queen was 
addressed
> 	by
> people of appropriate rank.

Sure. It's not the 'ma'am' it's the pronunciation that sounds like Mom to 
me rather than the US with a flatter a sound.

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#76859 — Re: Accents.

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e1rt5$b3bl$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76848
On 31/10/2025 03:29, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first
>> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and
>> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen.
> 
> We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our
> clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to
> Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated
> and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it.
> 
> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police
> or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as
> 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom.
> 
Marm. As in 'Marmite'

> Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't quite
> 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'.

That sound Scots or Irish.

-- 
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper 
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating 
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its 
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of 
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must 
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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#76872 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmkho0F3fffU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76859
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:27:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British
>> police or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they
>> address as 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom.
>> 
> Marm. As in 'Marmite'

No 'r' sound that I can detect although I think I have heard the 'r' 
creeping in on other shows. It's like the relatively recent affectation in 
the US Army of pronouncing 'sergeant' as 'sarnt'. 


>> Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't
>> quite 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'.
> 
> That sound Scots or Irish.

May well be. Henshall does it and he's a Scot. I think it's his natural 
accent and not something he was doing for the Shetland series. It's hard 
to tell with actors. I've heard Ray Winstone with an almost unintelligible 
accent and sometimes without. I think his natural accent is the former.
 

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#76881 — Re: Accents.

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<d_aNQ.939047$p8E9.549314@fx18.iad>
In reply to#76872
On 2025-10-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:27:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British
>>> police or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they
>>> address as 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom.
>>> 
>> Marm. As in 'Marmite'
>
> No 'r' sound that I can detect although I think I have heard the 'r' 
> creeping in on other shows. It's like the relatively recent affectation in 
> the US Army of pronouncing 'sergeant' as 'sarnt'. 

We make good-natured fun of our friends to the south in Warshington.

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#76894 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmlki6F9aa3U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76881
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 22:45:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-10-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:27:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British
>>>> police or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they
>>>> address as 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom.
>>>> 
>>> Marm. As in 'Marmite'
>>
>> No 'r' sound that I can detect although I think I have heard the 'r'
>> creeping in on other shows. It's like the relatively recent affectation
>> in the US Army of pronouncing 'sergeant' as 'sarnt'.
> 
> We make good-natured fun of our friends to the south in Warshington.

A kid in grade school said it that way. No idea why since he was a local. 
The teachers tried to drum 'crick' out of us with little success but that 
'r' was a strange one. 

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#76915 — Re: Accents.

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<jk2itlxutq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76848
On 2025-10-31 04:29, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first
>> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and
>> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen.
> 
> We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our
> clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to
> Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated
> and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it.
> 
> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police
> or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as
> 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom.

I think I have heard on some serial address her as "sir".

> Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't quite
> 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76930 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmnonsFjnd4U9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76915
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 20:11:47 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> I think I have heard on some serial address her as "sir".

Perhaps they asked for her pronouns. I'm sure you would go far giving 
'Rachel' Levine a crisp 'Sir, yes sir!'

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#76782 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmchqgFn64jU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76776
On 28 Oct 2025 14:02:14 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:

> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>>On 2025-10-28 01:27, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>I wonder how they tell “waiting” from “wading” ... as in “I’ve been
>>>wading for you” ...
>>Ok :-D I get it. :-)
> 
>   The American /t/ is flapped in some contexts; it's not a tap [ɾ] nor a
>   [d], but a voiced alveolar flap [ɿ].
> 
>   When the flap is performed, the tip of the tongue is bent backwards,
>   and then the /underside/ of the tip of the tongue briefly touches the
>   palate. But some people might not be able to hear any difference
>   between that flap [ɿ] and the [d] . . .

Interesting. Looking for the effect makes one self conscious but it does 
seem that for 't' the tip of my tongue touched the palate right next to my 
teeth while 'd' has the flip you describe, touching further back. 't' is a 
bit more explosive too.

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#76772

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
Message-ID<10dq2me$1qbse$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76761
On 27/10/2025 23:47, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-27 22:23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 10:09:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> In Spanish and English both are satellites.
>>
>> In American they are “sadellites” ...
> 
> Huh? I don't get that one. :-?
> 
Pronunciation.

Large sections of America don't have the T sound but substitute the 'd'

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#76717

FromStéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
Date2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
Message-ID<68fe27c0$0$10314$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#76690
Le 25-10-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On 25 Oct 2025 12:49:55 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> As a lot of new words comes from English, mostly in computer land
>> but not only, French are using them because it's easier to adopt
>> them than to coin new ones.
>
> You mean, nobody says “logiciel pour ordinateur” any more? ;)

Exactly. Well, I mean that logiciel and ordinateur were words coined
well before I was born. So, at that time, only a limited number of guys
were discovering computers. And so, it was easy to coin a new term
before it was well spread. Now, with emails and bugs, the words are well
spread before the forty morons decide they must be replaced by French
ones. And except very rare words like conteneur for container, no new
term in tech is translated as long as it stays among the tech guys. When
they start to be used by street people, things start to be different.

>> That's nothing new to me. Another reason is some French people don't
>> speak English but want to make believe they know it to sound could
>> and are using English words.
>>
>> But what is "new" to me, I mean not from yesterday, but from a few
>> years, is that it works in the other way around, too. Some French
>> words are used in English because they sound cool. And they are far
>> more than what I knew/guessed a few years ago.
>
> Heck, French has been a “cool” language for centuries, and not just
> among English speakers.

Yes. In the past. Not so long ago French was used in English and Russian
courts. But it's the past. Even if it's not that old.

> What you said above about English becoming
> “cool” to French people ... now that is a big surprise, and seems a
> more recent development.

You shouldn't. If you hear people fighting against English words coming
into French, it means, there are French guys who are using those words.
And those words are technical words, so they are used by technical guys
because they don't have better words. But at the same time, they are
used by not technical guys who want to make look like they now their
stuff. So, they are using those words just because they sound cool.
That's not that new. In shit, like advertisement, people were using
English words decades ago to make their speech look like it's serious
when it's only bullshit.

Well from an historical perspective, it's very recent. But from a
lifetime one, it's not.

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#76719

FromMarc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us>
Date2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
Message-ID<10dlbt1$1e587$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to#76717
Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>Le 25-10-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>> On 25 Oct 2025 12:49:55 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> As a lot of new words comes from English, mostly in computer land
>>> but not only, French are using them because it's easier to adopt
>>> them than to coin new ones.
>>
>> You mean, nobody says “logiciel pour ordinateur” any more? ;)
>
>Exactly. Well, I mean that logiciel and ordinateur were words coined
>well before I was born. So, at that time, only a limited number of guys
>were discovering computers. And so, it was easy to coin a new term
>before it was well spread.

Commodore printed "ordinateur pour <something>" on the french C-64's
cardboard box. Logiciel I learned from a biingual lawyer who worked on
his doctorate in Montpellier in the early 1990ies.

Greetings
Marc
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#76724

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
Message-ID<mm7a3qFr1meU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76717
On 26 Oct 2025 13:53:04 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> You shouldn't. If you hear people fighting against English words coming
> into French, it means, there are French guys who are using those words.
> And those words are technical words, so they are used by technical guys
> because they don't have better words. But at the same time, they are
> used by not technical guys who want to make look like they now their
> stuff. So,
> they are using those words just because they sound cool. That's not that
> new. In shit, like advertisement, people were using English words
> decades ago to make their speech look like it's serious when it's only
> bullshit.

Do they keep the English pronunciation?  A friend and his father were both 
native German speakers but did speak English also. When they were talking 
in German it was strange when they used a English word pronounced in 
English.

My friend had a German accent; his older brother had none. Both emigrated 
to the US when they were young. 

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#76952

FromStéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
Date2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
Message-ID<690764c7$0$28059$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#76724
Le 26-10-2025, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On 26 Oct 2025 13:53:04 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> You shouldn't. If you hear people fighting against English words coming
>> into French, it means, there are French guys who are using those words.
>> And those words are technical words, so they are used by technical guys
>> because they don't have better words. But at the same time, they are
>> used by not technical guys who want to make look like they now their
>> stuff. So,
>> they are using those words just because they sound cool. That's not that
>> new. In shit, like advertisement, people were using English words
>> decades ago to make their speech look like it's serious when it's only
>> bullshit.
>
> Do they keep the English pronunciation?

No.

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#76733

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
Message-ID<pJScnfPvlZ5tS2P1nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#76717
On 10/26/25 09:53, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 25-10-2025, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>> On 25 Oct 2025 12:49:55 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> As a lot of new words comes from English, mostly in computer land
>>> but not only, French are using them because it's easier to adopt
>>> them than to coin new ones.
>>
>> You mean, nobody says “logiciel pour ordinateur” any more? ;)
> 
> Exactly. Well, I mean that logiciel and ordinateur were words coined
> well before I was born. So, at that time, only a limited number of guys
> were discovering computers. And so, it was easy to coin a new term
> before it was well spread. Now, with emails and bugs, the words are well
> spread before the forty morons decide they must be replaced by French
> ones. And except very rare words like conteneur for container, no new
> term in tech is translated as long as it stays among the tech guys. When
> they start to be used by street people, things start to be different.
> 
>>> That's nothing new to me. Another reason is some French people don't
>>> speak English but want to make believe they know it to sound could
>>> and are using English words.
>>>
>>> But what is "new" to me, I mean not from yesterday, but from a few
>>> years, is that it works in the other way around, too. Some French
>>> words are used in English because they sound cool. And they are far
>>> more than what I knew/guessed a few years ago.
>>
>> Heck, French has been a “cool” language for centuries, and not just
>> among English speakers.
> 
> Yes. In the past. Not so long ago French was used in English and Russian
> courts. But it's the past. Even if it's not that old.
> 
>> What you said above about English becoming
>> “cool” to French people ... now that is a big surprise, and seems a
>> more recent development.
> 
> You shouldn't. If you hear people fighting against English words coming
> into French, it means, there are French guys who are using those words.
> And those words are technical words, so they are used by technical guys
> because they don't have better words. But at the same time, they are
> used by not technical guys who want to make look like they now their
> stuff. So, they are using those words just because they sound cool.
> That's not that new. In shit, like advertisement, people were using
> English words decades ago to make their speech look like it's serious
> when it's only bullshit.
> 
> Well from an historical perspective, it's very recent. But from a
> lifetime one, it's not.


   Everybody invaded/colonized everyone else in
   Europe/UK so often that "foreign" words and
   customs aren't worth mentioning.

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#76740

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
Message-ID<10dnahi$kooh$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76733
On 27/10/2025 02:20, c186282 wrote:
> Everybody invaded/colonized everyone else in
>    Europe/UK so often that "foreign" words and
>    customs aren't worth mentioning.

I think that is probably the final statement.  Western Europe splits 
into two groups - the Germanic languages and the Romance. English is a 
hybrid of both with smatterings of Celtic languages thrown in. And, 
latterly, Malay, Hindi, Arabic, Bantu....and anything else that was handy.

All broadly Indo European. Except the far East bits.


-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

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#76953

FromStéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
Date2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
Message-ID<69076692$0$5101$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#76733
Le 27-10-2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> a écrit :
>
>    Everybody invaded/colonized everyone else in
>    Europe/UK so often that "foreign" words and
>    customs aren't worth mentioning.

You say that because you aren't interested in history. But when someone
is interested in history, knowing where a word is coming from, when it
came in the language and why is very interesting. Your lack of interest
is only your: you are not the only one whose opinion matters. You should
avoid imposing your opinion on others. I know, here the far right and
far left are very numerous, but they are equally wrong in the belief
that everyone outside of they vision should be killed.

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#76954

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
Message-ID<10e7p1t$24ums$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76953
On 02/11/2025 14:11, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 27-10-2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> a écrit :
>>
>>     Everybody invaded/colonized everyone else in
>>     Europe/UK so often that "foreign" words and
>>     customs aren't worth mentioning.
> 
> You say that because you aren't interested in history. But when someone
> is interested in history, knowing where a word is coming from, when it
> came in the language and why is very interesting. Your lack of interest
> is only your: you are not the only one whose opinion matters. You should
> avoid imposing your opinion on others. I know, here the far right and
> far left are very numerous, but they are equally wrong in the belief
> that everyone outside of they vision should be killed.
> 

Not even the far right think that. Only the Islamist Jihadis. And some 
of the mentally unstable far left.

But it is correct that the greatest insights into people's worldviews 
happen when they criticise the worldviews of others.


-- 
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in 
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in 
someone else's pocket.

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