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| Started by | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-07-16 13:44 +0200 |
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Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-16 13:44 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-07-16 14:00 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-16 13:22 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-16 20:43 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-07-17 08:06 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-17 12:16 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Arkadiusz 'Black Fox' Artyszuk <blackfox_pl@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-16 14:20 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-07-16 12:39 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-07-16 14:43 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-16 10:29 -0400
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-16 20:42 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-16 16:49 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-07-16 11:52 -0500
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-16 20:41 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-16 21:11 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-16 17:21 -0400
Re: Trouble with laptop display "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-16 20:12 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-16 17:15 -0400
Re: Trouble with laptop display not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-17 09:10 +1000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Jack <Jack@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-16 19:09 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-16 22:30 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-16 16:58 -0700
Re: Trouble with laptop display Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-07-17 01:58 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-17 12:21 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-07-16 18:12 -0500
Re: Trouble with laptop display Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2025-07-16 20:42 -0500
Re: Trouble with laptop display "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2025-07-17 08:34 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-17 03:37 -0400
Re: Trouble with laptop display "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-17 10:16 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-17 13:00 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-17 13:50 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-17 17:04 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-07-17 13:11 -0500
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-17 20:25 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-17 19:58 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 08:51 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2025-07-18 06:04 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-18 11:12 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 12:48 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-18 13:31 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-17 19:57 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-17 19:50 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-07-17 13:04 -0500
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-17 20:29 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-17 19:56 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 09:01 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-18 11:14 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 12:26 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-18 13:29 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 21:18 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-07-17 16:22 -0500
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 09:13 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-18 10:53 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-07-18 18:47 -0500
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-19 02:12 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-18 19:53 -0500
Re: Trouble with laptop display VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-07-18 20:45 -0500
Re: Trouble with laptop display Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-18 21:22 -0500
mini-PC (was: Trouble with laptop display) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-18 19:58 +0000
Re: mini-PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 22:28 +0200
Re: mini-PC (was: Trouble with laptop display) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-18 23:38 -0400
Re: Trouble with laptop display Robert <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-17 21:56 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 09:49 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 11:08 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-18 11:11 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 12:22 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Jack <Jack@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-18 20:24 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-18 22:05 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-18 18:31 -0400
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-19 00:50 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-19 01:35 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-18 19:42 -0700
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-19 15:11 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2025-07-19 13:36 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-20 09:55 +1000
Re: Trouble with laptop display rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-20 02:02 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-07-20 21:10 +1000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2025-07-20 05:00 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-19 21:43 -0700
Re: Trouble with laptop display rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-20 05:29 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-20 07:34 -0400
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-20 21:04 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-20 14:40 -0700
Re: Trouble with laptop display Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-20 20:43 -0400
Re: Trouble with laptop display rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-21 04:42 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-20 19:50 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-07-21 19:41 +1000
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-21 12:16 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-07-21 22:26 +1000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-21 17:35 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-21 19:55 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-21 17:37 -0400
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-22 00:36 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-07-22 19:57 +1000
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-22 12:08 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-07-22 21:38 +1000
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-22 12:46 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-20 12:54 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-20 20:55 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-20 20:22 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-20 19:54 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2025-07-21 09:02 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-19 21:44 -0700
Re: Trouble with laptop display Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-20 13:41 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-20 17:52 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-20 21:05 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-20 19:56 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-21 12:55 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-20 15:00 -0700
Re: Trouble with laptop display Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-07-22 02:43 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 23:25 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-19 00:07 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display - drm ebook fallout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:29 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display - drm ebook fallout Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-06 18:04 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display - drm ebook fallout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 20:33 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display - drm ebook fallout "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-06 23:39 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display - drm ebook fallout Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-08-07 00:36 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display - drm ebook fallout rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 01:53 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display - drm ebook fallout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 13:53 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display - drm ebook fallout Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-07 20:01 +1000
Re: Trouble with laptop display - drm ebook fallout "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-07 13:05 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-18 11:08 +0100
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-18 21:22 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2025-10-22 11:04 +0000
Re: Trouble with laptop display "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 13:44 +0200
Re: Trouble with laptop display The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:52 +0100
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-20 05:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <me3d67Fbc8nU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69765 |
On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking tool that > has a number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one tin has from > 8 to 12 cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are > so that your screws have plenty of space> That's fine until you knock the muffin tin off the workbench. amazon.com/10-Piece-Magnetic-Holder-Stainless-Organization/dp/B08LG9M39F Of course, that assumes the screws are magnetic. I recently assembled a PiDog. https://docs.sunfounder.com/projects/pidog/en/latest/ I think the smallest screws were M1.5x3 and the largest were M3x6. All the fasteners were in separate ziplock bags and identified but keeping track of them was fun. The magenetic holders saved me several times. Unfortunately the plastic push rivets weren't magnetic but they were a little easier to keep track of. My eyes and my patience ain't what they used to be. The cat isn't sure what it is but suddenly decided it was time for a stroll outside.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-20 07:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <105ik8q$3b1co$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69768 |
On Sun, 7/20/2025 1:29 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
>> Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking
> tool
> that
>> has a number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one tin has from
>> 8 to 12 cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are
>> so that your screws have plenty of space>
>
> That's fine until you knock the muffin tin off the workbench.
>
> amazon.com/10-Piece-Magnetic-Holder-Stainless-Organization/dp/B08LG9M39F
>
> Of course, that assumes the screws are magnetic. I recently assembled a
> PiDog.
>
> https://docs.sunfounder.com/projects/pidog/en/latest/
>
> I think the smallest screws were M1.5x3 and the largest were M3x6. All the
> fasteners were in separate ziplock bags and identified but keeping track
> of them was fun. The magenetic holders saved me several times.
> Unfortunately the plastic push rivets weren't magnetic but they were a
> little easier to keep track of.
>
> My eyes and my patience ain't what they used to be.
>
> The cat isn't sure what it is but suddenly decided it was time for a
> stroll outside.
>
Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
so it could assemble your other robots for you.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/analysis-robots-achieve-what-humans-never-will-assembling-an-ikea-chair-in-less-than-21-minutes
It took three years, to program the robot arms to assemble an Ikea chair (peg based).
(The "programming" being the sequential series of tools to allow the robot
to autonomously plan the whole project. It's not just playback of a fixed set
of motions. The robots plan the whole thing for themselves. )
The robot goes all the way from comparing the pieces to a 3D library
of finished items, to determine what kind of object the parts
can be assembled to produce. Like other entities,
the robots did not read the instructions.
The putting-the-side-of-the-chair-on is pretty cool. With the
robot arms acting as "master" and "follow the leader".
And it didn't snap the pegs off. You would think in three years,
they would have trashed the chair several times while
attempting assembly.
Paul
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-20 21:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <i6rvklx35j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #69770 |
On 2025-07-20 13:34, Paul wrote: > On Sun, 7/20/2025 1:29 AM, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Your first robot, should have been one with hands, > so it could assemble your other robots for you. > > https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/analysis-robots-achieve-what-humans-never-will-assembling-an-ikea-chair-in-less-than-21-minutes > > It took three years, to program the robot arms to assemble an Ikea chair (peg based). > (The "programming" being the sequential series of tools to allow the robot > to autonomously plan the whole project. It's not just playback of a fixed set > of motions. The robots plan the whole thing for themselves. ) > > The robot goes all the way from comparing the pieces to a 3D library > of finished items, to determine what kind of object the parts > can be assembled to produce. Like other entities, > the robots did not read the instructions. > > The putting-the-side-of-the-chair-on is pretty cool. With the > robot arms acting as "master" and "follow the leader". > > And it didn't snap the pegs off. You would think in three years, > they would have trashed the chair several times while > attempting assembly. Wow. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-20 14:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <105jnom$3i7u7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69787 |
On 7/20/25 12:04, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-20 13:34, Paul wrote: >> On Sun, 7/20/2025 1:29 AM, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: absolutely nothing as far as I can recall about this topic.> > >> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >> so it could assemble your other robots for you. >> >> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/analysis-robots-achieve-what- >> humans-never-will-assembling-an-ikea-chair-in-less-than-21-minutes >> >> It took three years, to program the robot arms to assemble an Ikea >> chair (peg based). >> (The "programming" being the sequential series of tools to allow the >> robot >> to autonomously plan the whole project. It's not just playback of a >> fixed set >> of motions. The robots plan the whole thing for themselves. ) >> >> The robot goes all the way from comparing the pieces to a 3D library >> of finished items, to determine what kind of object the parts >> can be assembled to produce. Like other entities, >> the robots did not read the instructions. >> >> The putting-the-side-of-the-chair-on is pretty cool. With the >> robot arms acting as "master" and "follow the leader". >> >> And it didn't snap the pegs off. You would think in three years, >> they would have trashed the chair several times while >> attempting assembly. > > Wow. > Robots are slowly increasing their capacities for making things but unlike many other entities I read the instructions and in less than 8 hours with the help of a second pair of hands assembled my new bed frame which is all metal with a lot of parts. I need the second pair of hands to remove the old mattress as I no longer have the strength to do so alone. That was in 2022. A robot to help would be very useful but would be out of my price range for a long time to come. bliss
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-20 20:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <105k2f7$3kc9n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69795 |
On Sun, 7/20/2025 5:40 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > On 7/20/25 12:04, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-20 13:34, Paul wrote: >>> On Sun, 7/20/2025 1:29 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > absolutely nothing as far as I can recall about this topic.> >> >>> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >>> so it could assemble your other robots for you. >>> >>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/analysis-robots-achieve-what- humans-never-will-assembling-an-ikea-chair-in-less-than-21-minutes >>> >>> It took three years, to program the robot arms to assemble an Ikea chair (peg based). >>> (The "programming" being the sequential series of tools to allow the robot >>> to autonomously plan the whole project. It's not just playback of a fixed set >>> of motions. The robots plan the whole thing for themselves. ) >>> >>> The robot goes all the way from comparing the pieces to a 3D library >>> of finished items, to determine what kind of object the parts >>> can be assembled to produce. Like other entities, >>> the robots did not read the instructions. >>> >>> The putting-the-side-of-the-chair-on is pretty cool. With the >>> robot arms acting as "master" and "follow the leader". >>> >>> And it didn't snap the pegs off. You would think in three years, >>> they would have trashed the chair several times while >>> attempting assembly. >> >> Wow. >> > Robots are slowly increasing their capacities for making things but > unlike many other entities I read the instructions and in less than 8 hours > with the help of a second pair of hands assembled my new bed frame > which is all metal with a lot of parts. I need the second pair of hands > to remove the old mattress as I no longer have the strength to do so > alone. That was in 2022. > A robot to help would be very useful but would be out of my > price range for a long time to come. > > bliss > Those robots were made for assembling stuff, as they can sense how much tension they are applying to stuff. That's how they can build a peg chair (pegs instead of nails). Those robots are likely a bit stronger than the typical hobby robot. It's still impressive that they can do planning for the job. The Figure-One robot, the robot that "makes coffee", it shows a tiny bit of cleverness (it will wiggle a thing that doesn't fit), so we're getting there. And both the Figure-One and those industrial robots have the hands needed, to be useful. I visited a university lab in the mid-80's, and they had some hands in the lab. It's taken a long time for those hands to escape into the wild :-) One difference, is the old lab hands, they had no sensors, so if you attempted to screw in a light bulb, the light bulb would get crushed. The two robots in the article, assuming they could look up the properties of light bulbs, they could apply no more than the surface pressure rating, while screwing the item in. That's one area that hands are better now, is tactile feedback. And the prices, would be enterprise pricing, not priced for consumers. There are still companies that don't know how to build robots. You need to see a demo before you buy. There are people on USENET, who have more than one robot, and they're first generation and just awful. This is one of the disadvantages of being an early adopter. The first generation robots, a lot of them were "greeters", that could barely bring a tray to your table with your meal. And they weren't cheap either. Paul
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-21 04:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <me5upsFo9dpU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69799 |
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 20:43:17 -0400, Paul wrote: > There are people on USENET, who have more than one robot, and they're > first generation and just awful. This is one of the disadvantages of > being an early adopter. The first generation robots, a lot of them were > "greeters", that could barely bring a tray to your table with your meal. > And they weren't cheap either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unimate The Unimaetes were my first exposure. The GE Somersworth watt-hour meter plant used the on the die cast meter base line. They would insert magnets, wait for the machine to cycle, grab the part when the die opened, knock off the sprue, and toss the base in a bin. I wouldn't want one pouring my coffee; they were big, fast, and did not deviate from their programmed route. That was the early '70s. We were building automated presses for the phenolic molding operation and I would take a break to watch them when we were installing the equipment. I saw the future. Then came the oil embargo, the subsequent sending manufacturing to third world countries, and the demise of the US machine tool industry. I don't know if the decay is reversible but it would be nice to see the US become something more than baristas and pea pickers again.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-20 19:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <me4vjmFj879U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69770 |
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 07:34:49 -0400, Paul wrote: > Your first robot, should have been one with hands, > so it could assemble your other robots for you. My first 'robot' was about 45 years ago. It was a fairly dumb robotic arm used for testing tantalum capacitors. The brain, as it were, was a Z80 with the low level done in assembler with hooks for the engineers who worked in Pascal. Pascal wasn't a great fit but it was what the University of Maine used as a didactic language and what they knew. What I could have done with a RPi or even a Pico... Good idea though. I start having problems when the hardware gets smaller than 4-40.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-07-21 19:41 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <105l20i$2q7t9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69770 |
On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote: <Snip> > Your first robot, should have been one with hands, > so it could assemble your other robots for you. Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films?? -- Daniel70
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-21 12:16 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7lg1llxc6g.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #69804 |
On 2025-07-21 11:41, Daniel70 wrote: > On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote: > > <Snip> > >> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >> so it could assemble your other robots for you. > > Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of > Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films?? Assembling a robot is just following instructions. Robots programming robots would be the important trick. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-07-21 22:26 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <105lblb$2rfpu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69805 |
On 21/07/2025 8:16 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-21 11:41, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote: >> >> <Snip> >> >>> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >>> so it could assemble your other robots for you. >> >> Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of >> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films?? > > Assembling a robot is just following instructions. Robots programming > robots would be the important trick. > Ah!! Right. -- Daniel70
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-21 17:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gTufQ.583147$z995.254853@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #69804 |
On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: > On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote: > > <Snip> > >> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >> so it could assemble your other robots for you. > > Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of > Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films?? I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. Unfortunately I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots. In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon. It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-21 19:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <aib2llxo9u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #69814 |
On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: > >> On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote: >> >> <Snip> >> >>> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >>> so it could assemble your other robots for you. >> >> Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of >> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films?? > > I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. Unfortunately > I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might > be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the > robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take > apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since > robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots. > In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen > lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon. > It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again. I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any shape. No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-21 17:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <105mbug$4dus$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69816 |
On Mon, 7/21/2025 1:55 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>> Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
>>>> so it could assemble your other robots for you.
>>>
>>> Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??
>>
>> I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. Unfortunately
>> I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might
>> be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the
>> robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take
>> apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since
>> robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
>> In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen
>> lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon.
>> It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.
>
> I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any shape.
>
> No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City
>
It's not red. It is perhaps not finished (sitting in draft?).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Isaac_Asimov%27s_Robot_City
Here is a video with some self-assembling robots. One robot
has managed to stack a second robot, which begins to move. Presumably
the footing they are working on top of, exists for environments which
lack gravity.
MIT Center for Bits and Atoms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94FDMGLwCc
Paul
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-22 00:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <gvr2llxfp1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #69828 |
On 2025-07-21 23:37, Paul wrote: > On Mon, 7/21/2025 1:55 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote: >>>> >>>> <Snip> >>>> >>>>> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >>>>> so it could assemble your other robots for you. >>>> >>>> Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of >>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films?? >>> >>> I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. Unfortunately >>> I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might >>> be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the >>> robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take >>> apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since >>> robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots. >>> In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen >>> lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon. >>> It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again. >> >> I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any shape. >> >> No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City >> > > It's not red. It is perhaps not finished (sitting in draft?). > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Isaac_Asimov%27s_Robot_City Curious. To me, the link displayed in red. Still, does, says the link does not exist when hovering. When clicked, it says instead that there is a draft. > > Here is a video with some self-assembling robots. One robot > has managed to stack a second robot, which begins to move. Presumably > the footing they are working on top of, exists for environments which > lack gravity. > > MIT Center for Bits and Atoms > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94FDMGLwCc Curious. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-07-22 19:57 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <105nn9q$egdn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69816 |
On 22/07/2025 3:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>> Your first robot, should have been one with hands,
>>>> so it could assemble your other robots for you.
>>>
>>> Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of
>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films??
>>
>> I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. Unfortunately
>> I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title might
>> be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the
>> robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take
>> apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since
>> robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots.
>> In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen
>> lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon.
>> It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again.
>
> I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in
> which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic
> mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any
> shape.
>
> No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City
>
Not RED for me. Clicking your link takes we to a page which shows ....
Quote
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robot City may refer to:
Robot City, a fictional city in the 2005 Blue Sky Studios film Robots
Isaac Asimov's Robot City, a series of science fiction novels
written by multiple authors, inspired by Isaac Asimov's Robot series.
Robot City (game), a computer game developed by Brooklyn
Multimedia and released in 1995, based on the book series
Disambiguation icon
This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the title Robot
City.
If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to
point directly to the intended article.
End Quote.
--
Daniel70
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-22 12:08 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <uh44llx87v.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #69841 |
On 2025-07-22 11:57, Daniel70 wrote: > On 22/07/2025 3:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote: >>>> >>>> <Snip> >>>> >>>>> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >>>>> so it could assemble your other robots for you. >>>> >>>> Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of >>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films?? >>> >>> I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. Unfortunately >>> I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title >>> might >>> be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the >>> robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take >>> apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since >>> robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots. >>> In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen >>> lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon. >>> It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again. >> >> I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in >> which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic >> mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of any >> shape. >> >> No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City >> > Not RED for me. Clicking your link takes we to a page which shows .... > > Quote > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > > Robot City may refer to: > > Robot City, a fictional city in the 2005 Blue Sky Studios film Robots > * Isaac Asimov's Robot City, a series of science fiction novels * > written by multiple authors, inspired by Isaac Asimov's Robot series. > Robot City (game), a computer game developed by Brooklyn > Multimedia and released in 1995, based on the book series The link marked with ** above shows in red to me. Screenshot: <https://paste.opensuse.org/29f504172f63> -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-07-22 21:38 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <105nt78$fiqe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69842 |
On 22/07/2025 8:08 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-22 11:57, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 22/07/2025 3:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <Snip> >>>>> >>>>>> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >>>>>> so it could assemble your other robots for you. >>>>> >>>>> Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of >>>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films?? >>>> >>>> I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. >>>> Unfortunately >>>> I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title >>>> might >>>> be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the >>>> robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take >>>> apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since >>>> robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots. >>>> In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen >>>> lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon. >>>> It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again. >>> >>> I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, in >>> which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a positronic >>> mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a robot, of >>> any shape. >>> >>> No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City >>> >> Not RED for me. Clicking your link takes we to a page which shows .... >> >> Quote >> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia >> >> Robot City may refer to: >> >> Robot City, a fictional city in the 2005 Blue Sky Studios film >> Robots >> * Isaac Asimov's Robot City, a series of science fiction novels * >> written by multiple authors, inspired by Isaac Asimov's Robot series. >> Robot City (game), a computer game developed by Brooklyn >> Multimedia and released in 1995, based on the book series > > The link marked with ** above shows in red to me. > > Screenshot: <https://paste.opensuse.org/29f504172f63> > From that page .... "Blue Sky Studios", "Robots", "Isaac Asimov's Robot City", "Isaac Asimov's Robot series", "Robot City (game)", "disambiguation" and "internal link" all show as Blue Clickable links for me. -- Daniel70
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-22 12:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <105ntm7$37t9v$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69843 |
On 22/07/2025 12:38, Daniel70 wrote: > On 22/07/2025 8:08 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-22 11:57, Daniel70 wrote: >>> On 22/07/2025 3:55 am, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-07-21 19:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>> On 2025-07-21, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 20/07/2025 9:34 pm, Paul wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> <Snip> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your first robot, should have been one with hands, >>>>>>> so it could assemble your other robots for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hmmm! Robots assembling Robots!! Isn't that part of the backstory of >>>>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" string of films?? >>>>> >>>>> I once read a short story about robots assembling robots. >>>>> Unfortunately >>>>> I can remember neither the author nor the title (although the title >>>>> might >>>>> be something like "How the World Ended"). The basic idea was that the >>>>> robots had an overriding desire to build more robots, and would take >>>>> apart other machinery to get parts. This brought an end to war, since >>>>> robots would disassemble weapons to get parts to build more robots. >>>>> In the end robots became a sort of natural resource: take half a dozen >>>>> lower halves of robots, lay a plank across them, and you have a wagon. >>>>> It was a clever story; I wish I could find it again. >>>> >>>> I remember another history, set in the Asimov Robot City universe, >>>> in which there were robot cells. Put many together, throw a >>>> positronic mind, and a power cell, and it would shape itself into a >>>> robot, of any shape. >>>> >>>> No wikipedia article, funny. The link is red. >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_City >>>> >>> Not RED for me. Clicking your link takes we to a page which shows .... >>> >>> Quote >>> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia >>> >>> Robot City may refer to: >>> >>> Robot City, a fictional city in the 2005 Blue Sky Studios film >>> Robots >>> * Isaac Asimov's Robot City, a series of science fiction novels * >>> written by multiple authors, inspired by Isaac Asimov's Robot series. >>> Robot City (game), a computer game developed by Brooklyn >>> Multimedia and released in 1995, based on the book series >> >> The link marked with ** above shows in red to me. >> >> Screenshot: <https://paste.opensuse.org/29f504172f63> >> > From that page .... > > "Blue Sky Studios", "Robots", "Isaac Asimov's Robot City", "Isaac > Asimov's Robot series", "Robot City (game)", "disambiguation" and > "internal link" all show as Blue Clickable links for me. Not for me. -- Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-20 12:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <105ilei$3b4et$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69768 |
On 20/07/2025 06:29, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 21:43:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking > tool > that >> has a number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one tin has from >> 8 to 12 cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are >> so that your screws have plenty of space> > > That's fine until you knock the muffin tin off the workbench. > > amazon.com/10-Piece-Magnetic-Holder-Stainless-Organization/dp/B08LG9M39F > Yiu alreadyt spent 1/3rd the price of a workin used computer.... > Of course, that assumes the screws are magnetic. I recently assembled a > PiDog. > > https://docs.sunfounder.com/projects/pidog/en/latest/ > > I think the smallest screws were M1.5x3 and the largest were M3x6. All the > fasteners were in separate ziplock bags and identified but keeping track > of them was fun. The magenetic holders saved me several times. > Unfortunately the plastic push rivets weren't magnetic but they were a > little easier to keep track of. > > My eyes and my patience ain't what they used to be. > > The cat isn't sure what it is but suddenly decided it was time for a > stroll outside. It shows good sense -- Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people. But Marxism is the crack cocaine.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-20 20:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <3mqvklxgrh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #69765 |
On 2025-07-20 06:43, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > On 7/19/25 06:36, Simon wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:11:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> On 2025-07-19 04:42, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/18/25 15:31, Paul wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 7/18/2025 5:05 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 18/07/2025 21:24, Jack wrote: >>>>>>> On 18/07/2025 11:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>>> So if it is *merely* a display problem perhaps you could send it to >>>>>>>> all the peole here who thingk that replacing a screen and cable is >>>>>>>> a doddle..:-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The thing(s) most users of laptops can do themselves are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Change/upgrade HDD/SSD Upgrade Memory Apply new CPU thermal paste >>>>>>> Clean internal fan Change keyboard (but very rarely!!) >>>>>>> Change battery (but requires unscrewing the old one on thin laptops >>>>>>> - not accessible easily these days) >>>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately all these require one thing most users of laptops >>>>>> *cannot* do themselves Open the fucking thing up without destroying >>>>>> it! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Anything else requires careful cost/benefit analysis. >>>>> >>>>> They're just screws, they won't bite :-) >>>> >>>> No but they will roll away and hide. Use a clean unused muffin >>>> tin >>>> to confine them to work area. >>> >>> If you can grab them before they jump. >>> >>> >>> Also, not all of them are the same thread, or the same length. So using >>> a single tin is problematic. > > Oh you unfamiliar with the concept! A muffin tin is a baking tool > that has a > number of cups to hold the muffin dough. So that one tin has from 8 to 12 > cups on it and the fewer cups, the larger the individual cup are so that > your > screws have plenty of space> Oh, language problem here. I did not realize what muffin tin you were talking about. English is not my first language. Ice cube boxes :-) Or egg boxes. I had forgotten them. In my 20x I could disassemble something and remember where everything went. Not any longer. >> >> You should note what came from where, a very simple way to document it >> all >> is to video the disassembly, then you can refer back when rebuilding it. >> > > In any video the problem is distinguishing any tiny part from another. > > bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.07- Linux 6.12.39- Plasma 5.27.11 > > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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