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  LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-03 20:50 -0400
    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 07:10 +0000
      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-04 10:44 +0200
        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:53 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:47 -0400
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 20:26 +0000
      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:14 +0100
        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 18:07 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:55 -0400
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:42 +0100
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 14:09 +0000
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:42 +0100
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-05 20:19 +0000
                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:38 +0000
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:45 +0100
                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 21:03 +0000
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:30 +0100
                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:19 +0100
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:43 +0000
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:36 +0000
                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:37 +0100
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 21:12 +0000
                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:33 +0100
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 04:45 +0000
                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 01:57 -0400
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:44 +0100
                              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 20:08 +0000
                                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:41 +0100
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 20:06 +0000
                              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 23:06 -0400
                                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 05:18 +0000
                                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 01:37 -0400
                                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 08:14 +0000
                                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:36 +0100
                                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-08 17:31 +0000
                                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-08-08 14:33 -0500
                                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 20:41 +0100
                                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-09 04:14 +0000
                                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 19:01 +0000
                                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 20:21 +0100
                                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-09 04:29 +0000
                                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 13:50 +0100
                                              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-09 18:44 +0000
                                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-08 22:27 +0200
                                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-09 04:45 +0000
                                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 13:47 +0100
                                              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-09 18:54 +0000
                                                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-09 22:09 +0200
                                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 13:43 +0100
                                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 21:19 -0400
                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:42 +0100
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 23:41 -0400
                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 22:49 -0400
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 05:22 +0000
                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 01:39 -0400
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 08:08 +0000
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-08 10:28 +0100
                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:38 +0100
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 18:57 +0000
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-08 19:55 +0000
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:19 -0400
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:18 -0400
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:14 +0000
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:22 +0200
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 21:19 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:40 +0100
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 20:39 +0000
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:35 +0100
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:27 +0000
      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:58 -0400
        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 06:14 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 03:52 -0400
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 14:07 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:46 +0100

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#89788

On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 20:21:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The only real far right murderer I can recall is Brevik
> 
> Not sure about in the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Berg

Berg is the only one I can think of offhand. McVeigh was anti government 
and incensed by Reno's heavy handed actions at Waco and Ruby Ridge but I 
wouldn't call him far right. 

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#89799

On 09/08/2026 05:29, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 20:21:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> The only real far right murderer I can recall is Brevik
>>
>> Not sure about in the USA.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Berg
> 
> Berg is the only one I can think of offhand. McVeigh was anti government
> and incensed by Reno's heavy handed actions at Waco and Ruby Ridge but I
> wouldn't call him far right.

There is no great international organisation of the far right. Not like 
there is with communism and its brethren...

So its protagonists tend to be loner nutcases or tiny sects


-- 
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah 
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

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#89811

On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:50:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> There is no great international organisation of the far right. Not like
> there is with communism and its brethren...
> 
> So its protagonists tend to be loner nutcases or tiny sects

There is a thread leading to de Benoist's Nouvelle Droit and beck before 
that to the German Conservative Revolution in the '30s but it is a far 
stretch to call it and organization. 

The various Identarian groups are sort of under the umbrella.  The US alt-
right pretty much fell apart. 

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#89771

On 2026-08-08 21:01, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 12:36:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 08/08/2026 06:37, c186282 wrote:
>>> In context, this utterance was a huge DEATH THREAT.
>>>
>>>     And should be handled as such.
>>
>> The Left scares me a lot more than the Right.
> 
> The right tends not to kill people not subscribing to the party line
> although they certainly have their purges; q.v. Carlson, Greene, Massie,
> etc.  Then there is the conspiracy theory that Charlie Kirk was getting
> ready to deviate.

Depends where. In my country, the right has killed 50000 in repression 
after the war.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89789

On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 22:27:31 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:


> Depends where. In my country, the right has killed 50000 in repression
> after the war.

Paybacks are a bitch. The smarter Republicans decided on a French vacation 
although France didn't exactly roll out the red carpet.

It's been a while since I read it but iirc in 'Homage to Catalonia' Orwell 
described the left eating its own. 

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#89798

On 09/08/2026 05:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 22:27:31 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> 
>> Depends where. In my country, the right has killed 50000 in repression
>> after the war.
> 
> Paybacks are a bitch. The smarter Republicans decided on a French vacation
> although France didn't exactly roll out the red carpet.
> 
> It's been a while since I read it but iirc in 'Homage to Catalonia' Orwell
> described the left eating its own.

Yes. the idealism of the Spanish Left was romantic, but ultimately 
unable to sustain itself
against the brutal pragmatism of the fascists. I hesitate to call them 
right wing.

Its the same every time Left wing Idealism is forced to confront reality.


-- 
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the 
other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

—Soren Kierkegaard

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#89813

On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:47:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Yes. the idealism of the Spanish Left was romantic, but ultimately
> unable to sustain itself against the brutal pragmatism of the fascists.
> I hesitate to call them right wing.

iirc, part of the Republican romance was killing priests, nuns, landlords, 
and others that didn't fit into their idealism. I forget all the acronyms 
but the Republicans also eliminated some of the POUM leaders who failed 
the Stalinist purity test. 

It certainly left a bad taste in Orwell's mouth.

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#89821

On 2026-08-09 20:54, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:47:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Yes. the idealism of the Spanish Left was romantic, but ultimately
>> unable to sustain itself against the brutal pragmatism of the fascists.
>> I hesitate to call them right wing.
> 
> iirc, part of the Republican romance was killing priests, nuns, landlords,
> and others that didn't fit into their idealism. I forget all the acronyms
> but the Republicans also eliminated some of the POUM leaders who failed
> the Stalinist purity test.

A lot of that was propaganda, or happened after the war started and the 
government lost the actual control.

> 
> It certainly left a bad taste in Orwell's mouth.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89797

On 08/08/2026 21:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-08 21:01, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 12:36:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/08/2026 06:37, c186282 wrote:
>>>> In context, this utterance was a huge DEATH THREAT.
>>>>
>>>>     And should be handled as such.
>>>
>>> The Left scares me a lot more than the Right.
>>
>> The right tends not to kill people not subscribing to the party line
>> although they certainly have their purges; q.v. Carlson, Greene, Massie,
>> etc.  Then there is the conspiracy theory that Charlie Kirk was getting
>> ready to deviate.
> 
> Depends where. In my country, the right has killed 50000 in repression 
> after the war.
> 
That wasn't the 'right': That was the result of years of Empire and 
Catholicism and Communism .

It's all in the Spanish character and culture. Same thing happens all 
across Latin America.

It's all full of Glorious Leaders and repressed little folk.

It's very romantic. But if you want a society where stuff works , the 
trains run on time and life is spent doing nothing very exciting you 
need the  Germanic cultures of North West Europe.


-- 
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

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#89778

On 8/8/26 07:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/08/2026 06:37, c186282 wrote:
>> In context, this utterance was a huge DEATH THREAT.
>>
>>    And should be handled as such.
> 
> The Left scares me a lot more than the Right.

   And should.

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#89684

On 07/08/2026 05:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:33:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 06/08/2026 22:12, rbowman wrote:
>>> My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The
>>> switch to containers came early in his career. No more exploring
>>> foreign ports.
>>> Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he
>>> never sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of
>>> the year.
>>> The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying
>>> industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that
>>> career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck
>>> officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.
>>
>> Yes. register your ship in Liberia and pick whatever crew you could get
>> at below minimum wage.
> 
> Jack London's 'The Mutiny of the Elsinore'  isn't one of his works on
> reading lists like 'Call of the Wild'.
> 
> https://obdg.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-mutiny-of-elsinore-by-jack-
> london.html
> 
> He might be describing the crew of a Liberian vessel. The socialists would
> like to include London in their fold but they have to tread very lightly.
> 
The socialists want to appropriate everything popular. I wonder how they 
would get on with 'sometimes a great notion' [book]


-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#89675

On 8/6/26 07:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2026 23:36, rbowman wrote:
>> I learned something else of value. We bought the bare press frame from
>> Daniels of Stroud.
>>
>> https://www.stroudlocalhistorysociety.org.uk/research/daniels/
>>
>> Shortly before it was to be shipped the UK had one of their little dock
>> strikes. A 100 ton press refers to the clamping force and doesn't weigh
>> 100 tons but shipping the thing air freight was a bit pricey. It would
>> hardly fit into your carry on luggage.
>>
>> Depending on international trade has its drawbacks.
> 
> As does unionised dock labour.
> 
> There are no dockers any more. Just one man in a crane and containers 
> everywhere

   Loved the story a few years ago when they realized
   that all those huge cranes had Chinese cameras in
   them - which phoned home. Ergo the CCP could track
   ALL containers across the entire world :-)

   Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.

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#89704

On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    Loved the story a few years ago when they realized
>    that all those huge cranes had Chinese cameras in
>    them - which phoned home. Ergo the CCP could track
>    ALL containers across the entire world :-)

I love the way people get so upset about things like this
but think that Google Analytics is OK.

>    Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.

Yup.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#89723

On 8/7/26 15:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     Loved the story a few years ago when they realized
>>     that all those huge cranes had Chinese cameras in
>>     them - which phoned home. Ergo the CCP could track
>>     ALL containers across the entire world :-)
> 
> I love the way people get so upset about things like this
> but think that Google Analytics is OK.
> 
>>     Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.
> 
> Yup.
> 

   I don't think GA is especially good either.

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#89730

On Fri, 07 Aug 2026 19:16:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>    Loved the story a few years ago when they realized that all those
>>    huge cranes had Chinese cameras in them - which phoned home. Ergo
>>    the CCP could track ALL containers across the entire world :-)
> 
> I love the way people get so upset about things like this but think that
> Google Analytics is OK.
> 
>>    Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.
> 
> Yup.

There seems to be a growing grassroots feeling that the best answer to a 
Flock camera is a 12 gauge.  

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#89732

On 8/8/26 01:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Aug 2026 19:16:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>>     Loved the story a few years ago when they realized that all those
>>>     huge cranes had Chinese cameras in them - which phoned home. Ergo
>>>     the CCP could track ALL containers across the entire world :-)
>>
>> I love the way people get so upset about things like this but think that
>> Google Analytics is OK.
>>
>>>     Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.
>>
>> Yup.
> 
> There seems to be a growing grassroots feeling that the best answer to a
> Flock camera is a 12 gauge.

   Ummm ... they MAY be right.

   Those cams are EXPENSIVE ... major loss by
   whatever means cannot be sustained.

   Also seems The Public has kinda turned
   against them - don't BUY the 'crime'
   angle anymore.

   This is not just USA, but UK and beyond.

   Orwell has become just TOO obvious.

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#89738

On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 01:39:54 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Also seems The Public has kinda turned against them - don't BUY the
>    'crime' angle anymore.

Law enforcement here does use them. Some cities have canceled their 
contracts because of the bad press but this one never had one. Even red 
light cameras were outlawed statewide in 2009. Some Karens would like to 
allow them but they haven't gotten traction


Scheel's and Lowe's have put them up the parking lots. 

https://deflock.org/

Handy little map with the coordinates and orientation of the camera if 
someone wants to go skeet shooting. I've also seen suggestions to homeless 
individuals that there are worthwhile quantities of various metals that 
could be salvaged.

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#89742

c186282 wrote:

>    Those cams are EXPENSIVE ... major loss by
>    whatever means cannot be sustained.
> 
>    Also seems The Public has kinda turned
>    against them - don't BUY the 'crime'
>    angle anymore.
> 
>    This is not just USA, but UK and beyond.
> 
>    Orwell has become just TOO obvious.

Certainly there are people willing to destroy the ULEZ cameras in London 
and post videos of their work on youtube, but I rarely see any destroyed 
speed-cameras outside of London, used to be common to see them having 
been "necklaced".

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing>

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#89749

On 08/08/2026 06:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Aug 2026 19:16:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>>     Loved the story a few years ago when they realized that all those
>>>     huge cranes had Chinese cameras in them - which phoned home. Ergo
>>>     the CCP could track ALL containers across the entire world :-)
>>
>> I love the way people get so upset about things like this but think that
>> Google Analytics is OK.
>>
>>>     Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.
>>
>> Yup.
> 
> There seems to be a growing grassroots feeling that the best answer to a
> Flock camera is a 12 gauge.

Indeed.

I saw a nice video online: Two pensioners holding up cardboard sheets in 
front of a camera. No damage to property or trespass was involved...]



-- 
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

― Confucius

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#89765

On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 12:38:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I saw a nice video online: Two pensioners holding up cardboard sheets in
> front of a camera. No damage to property or trespass was involved...]

That works. Adapters designed to allow using a can of wasp spray on a 
telescoping pole are readily available. TV shows where the bad guys take 
out surveillance cameras are common. I'm sure someone can sum 2 + 2.

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