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| Started by | 1p166 <z24ba6.net> |
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| First post | 2021-10-21 00:06 -0400 |
| Last post | 2021-10-31 22:46 -0400 |
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Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-21 00:06 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-10-21 08:27 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-21 08:04 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-28 02:08 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-28 09:41 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-29 16:39 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 07:39 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-29 01:14 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-29 16:52 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-29 13:08 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-29 22:43 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-30 04:32 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 08:21 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-01 18:50 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-10-30 13:45 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-30 14:54 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-10-30 21:47 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 23:14 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-31 01:25 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2021-10-31 04:12 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-31 00:57 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-31 13:35 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-31 15:47 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-01 04:44 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-01 13:52 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-02 00:13 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-01 22:05 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-03 01:26 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-03 07:02 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-05 00:54 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-02 00:11 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-02 06:17 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-03 00:27 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-02 21:46 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-03 07:26 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-03 17:18 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-03 19:58 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-03 21:34 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-04 11:05 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-04 17:19 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-04 20:13 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-04 16:11 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-04 23:27 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-05 11:40 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-05 14:09 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-05 15:53 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-05 09:26 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-05 17:40 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-03 21:02 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-11-04 00:01 -0500
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-04 11:09 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-11-04 13:49 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-04 05:01 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-11-04 13:48 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-04 15:46 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-11-04 15:26 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-04 23:51 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-05 07:37 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-11-05 08:54 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-05 13:49 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-04 11:08 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-03 17:18 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-31 01:52 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-10-31 10:26 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-31 22:52 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-01 18:50 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 08:00 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-01 18:50 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2021-11-05 17:58 +1100
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-05 17:40 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-28 01:11 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-28 09:39 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-10-28 14:25 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-28 14:49 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-29 01:07 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-29 08:13 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-31 00:28 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-31 13:24 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-28 08:15 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-29 01:36 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-29 09:59 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-29 16:52 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-30 01:49 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 07:59 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-30 07:53 +0100
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-01 18:50 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-02 01:04 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-02 08:34 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-02 19:09 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-02 23:58 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-02 21:39 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-03 08:36 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-03 11:23 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-03 08:31 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-03 17:18 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-11-06 19:07 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-07 12:15 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-11-07 13:55 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-07 07:59 -0800
Smallpox vaccine date(s) (Was: Who Knew ?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2021-11-11 20:12 +0000
Re: Smallpox vaccine date(s) (Was: Who Knew ?) Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-11-11 20:21 +0000
Re: Smallpox vaccine date(s) (Was: Who Knew ?) "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-11-11 15:52 -0500
Re: Smallpox vaccine date(s) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-11 21:19 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-11-02 08:31 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2021-10-31 00:18 +0000
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-31 00:06 -0400
Re: Who Knew ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-31 07:55 -0700
Re: Who Knew ? 1p166 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-10-31 22:46 -0400
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 20:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sm1esl$hde$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33553 |
On 04/11/2021 11:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 03/11/2021 19:58, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> For sure, both of those speak to deep rooted truths about human >> nature - sad really. Just wait till we get sentient robots and reinvent >> slavery. > > We never lost slavery. We just use poverty and debt, not chains. > It is strange that the current wokery about removing the symbolism of slavery, pulling down statues or renaming educational establishments, continues to support the descendant spawn of the Norman invaders who subjugated our ancestors into the slavery of serfdom
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 16:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1369596098.657760149.054945.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #33570 |
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 04/11/2021 11:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 03/11/2021 19:58, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>> For sure, both of those speak to deep rooted truths about human >>> nature - sad really. Just wait till we get sentient robots and reinvent >>> slavery. >> >> We never lost slavery. We just use poverty and debt, not chains. >> > > It is strange that the current wokery about removing the symbolism > of slavery, pulling down statues or renaming educational establishments, > continues to support the descendant spawn of the Norman invaders who > subjugated our ancestors into the slavery of serfdom > Your ancestors were probably already serfs. The Norman conquest swapped one ruling class for another. -- Pete
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 23:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <s%ZgJ.10012$zF3.8088@fx03.iad> |
| In reply to | #33572 |
On 2021-11-04, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 04/11/2021 11:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/11/2021 19:58, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> For sure, both of those speak to deep rooted truths about human
>>>> nature - sad really. Just wait till we get sentient robots and reinvent
>>>> slavery.
>>>
>>> We never lost slavery. We just use poverty and debt, not chains.
>>
>> It is strange that the current wokery about removing the symbolism
>> of slavery, pulling down statues or renaming educational establishments,
>> continues to support the descendant spawn of the Norman invaders who
>> subjugated our ancestors into the slavery of serfdom
>
> Your ancestors were probably already serfs. The Norman conquest swapped
> one ruling class for another.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
-- The Who
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Life is perverse.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful -
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lily Tomlin
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-05 11:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sm356s$ogn$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33572 |
On 04/11/2021 23:11, Peter Flass wrote: > gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 04/11/2021 11:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 03/11/2021 19:58, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>> For sure, both of those speak to deep rooted truths about human >>>> nature - sad really. Just wait till we get sentient robots and reinvent >>>> slavery. >>> >>> We never lost slavery. We just use poverty and debt, not chains. >>> >> >> It is strange that the current wokery about removing the symbolism >> of slavery, pulling down statues or renaming educational establishments, >> continues to support the descendant spawn of the Norman invaders who >> subjugated our ancestors into the slavery of serfdom >> > > Your ancestors were probably already serfs. The Norman conquest swapped one > ruling class for another. > Whether or not that is true, it remains that the current Great Parasite Of Windsor is founded upon slavery.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-11-05 14:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sm3dur$rh6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33584 |
On 05/11/2021 11:40, gareth evans wrote: > On 04/11/2021 23:11, Peter Flass wrote: >> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On 04/11/2021 11:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 03/11/2021 19:58, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>> For sure, both of those speak to deep rooted truths about human >>>>> nature - sad really. Just wait till we get sentient robots and >>>>> reinvent >>>>> slavery. >>>> >>>> We never lost slavery. We just use poverty and debt, not chains. >>>> >>> >>> It is strange that the current wokery about removing the symbolism >>> of slavery, pulling down statues or renaming educational establishments, >>> continues to support the descendant spawn of the Norman invaders who >>> subjugated our ancestors into the slavery of serfdom >>> >> >> Your ancestors were probably already serfs. The Norman conquest >> swapped one >> ruling class for another. >> > > Whether or not that is true, it remains that the current Great Parasite > Of Windsor is founded upon slavery. > Oh please. utterly irrelevant. FAR bigger parasites around. -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-05 15:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sm3k16$a15$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33587 |
On 05/11/2021 14:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 05/11/2021 11:40, gareth evans wrote: >> On 04/11/2021 23:11, Peter Flass wrote: >>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On 04/11/2021 11:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 03/11/2021 19:58, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>> For sure, both of those speak to deep rooted truths about human >>>>>> nature - sad really. Just wait till we get sentient robots and >>>>>> reinvent >>>>>> slavery. >>>>> >>>>> We never lost slavery. We just use poverty and debt, not chains. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It is strange that the current wokery about removing the symbolism >>>> of slavery, pulling down statues or renaming educational >>>> establishments, >>>> continues to support the descendant spawn of the Norman invaders who >>>> subjugated our ancestors into the slavery of serfdom >>>> >>> >>> Your ancestors were probably already serfs. The Norman conquest >>> swapped one >>> ruling class for another. >>> >> >> Whether or not that is true, it remains that the current Great >> Parasite Of Windsor is founded upon slavery. >> > Oh please. utterly irrelevant. FAR bigger parasites around. You deal with your parasites; i'll deal with mine.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-05 09:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sm3m0d$pko$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33589 |
On 11/5/21 08:53, gareth evans wrote: > On 05/11/2021 14:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 05/11/2021 11:40, gareth evans wrote: >>> On 04/11/2021 23:11, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On 04/11/2021 11:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 03/11/2021 19:58, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>> For sure, both of those speak to deep rooted truths about human >>>>>>> nature - sad really. Just wait till we get sentient robots and >>>>>>> reinvent >>>>>>> slavery. >>>>>> >>>>>> We never lost slavery. We just use poverty and debt, not chains. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is strange that the current wokery about removing the symbolism >>>>> of slavery, pulling down statues or renaming educational >>>>> establishments, >>>>> continues to support the descendant spawn of the Norman invaders who >>>>> subjugated our ancestors into the slavery of serfdom >>>>> >>>> >>>> Your ancestors were probably already serfs. The Norman conquest >>>> swapped one >>>> ruling class for another. >>>> >>> >>> Whether or not that is true, it remains that the current Great >>> Parasite Of Windsor is founded upon slavery. >>> >> Oh please. utterly irrelevant. FAR bigger parasites around. > > You deal with your parasites; i'll deal with mine. As for serfdom it is hard to be tied to the land but slavery where the victim is mere chattel is worse. If you have parasites administer Ivermectin because that is what it is intended for. Or have your parasites characterized and pick a better agent for their removal from your system. In any case parasites are very effective at survival. Some large number of people may idolize parasites and only want to imitate them so you can expect resistance from the host bodies. Check out Brian Lumley's endless series of novels about parasites from another dimenion who being at base leeches turn their hosts into horrific vampires. bliss- -“Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After all here I am... -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-11-05 17:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <X%dhJ.1367$SW5.795@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #33587 |
On 2021-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 05/11/2021 11:40, gareth evans wrote: > >> On 04/11/2021 23:11, Peter Flass wrote: >> >>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> It is strange that the current wokery about removing the symbolism >>>> of slavery, pulling down statues or renaming educational establishments, >>>> continues to support the descendant spawn of the Norman invaders who >>>> subjugated our ancestors into the slavery of serfdom >>> >>> Your ancestors were probably already serfs. The Norman conquest >>> swapped one ruling class for another. >> >> Whether or not that is true, it remains that the current Great Parasite >> Of Windsor is founded upon slavery. > > Oh please. utterly irrelevant. FAR bigger parasites around. Indeed. And at least the royals have entertainment value. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Life is perverse. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful - X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lily Tomlin
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| From | 1p166 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-03 21:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <wIadnSSQpq-GrB78nZ2dnUU7-cfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33533 |
On 11/3/21 3:26 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:27:54 -0400 > 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: > >> The Big Money people had this figured out LONG >> ago - centuries ago actually. Even Machivelli >> understood the utility of cultivating those >> fake "sides". > > Sadly this and all above it is all too true - the lessons of > Machiavelli and Sun Tzu are well understood by the major players and have > been polished for centuries into a smooth art. In a similar vein I fairly > recently re-read Orwell's 1984 and found it shockingly simplistic and naive, > that was a sobering discovery. It used to be the politicians/priesthood, but then the ADVERTISERS came - and post-WW2 undertook what you might call the "science of salesmanship", lots of psych experiments designed to yield objective data. What motivates people, in what ways, how much, how long ... they made manipulation a science. And then the politicians/priesthood (esp evangelicals) borrowed all that data. I'll rec a somewhat old book to you - it can still be had. It was writ in the late 50s by a polymath named Jaques Ellul and called "The Technological Society". It was not about computers - it was about the growth of science-informed psychological manipulation by State and private entities. The original was in French, but the English translation is perfectly readable, albeit with some rather odd wording at times. Hmm ... I wonder what Obama's "Brain Initiative" was REALLY supposed to find out :-) > The indoctrination for it starts in the earliest school with "What's > your favourite colour" and gets strengthened outside the classroom with > "Who do you support". > > I remain thankful that Hermann Göring's astute observation on the > ease of raising war fever is not widely utilised today - I remain slightly > suspicious about the Falkland's War being a field test of the principle, it > was certainly a good demonstration if not. > Goebbels ... Goring's interests rarely strayed from killing people ....... Goebbels was a very GOOD propagandist ... but fortunately his instincts and insights were mostly limited to German culture. His stuff never translated very well. But if Goebbels had the wealth of scientific data the Mad Men compiled ... Anyway, the MS/Apple "duality" is a sort of deliberate scam. You pick a side and are encouraged to feel all superior about it, hurl distain at "those OTHERS". Meanwhile the big investors buy stock in BOTH companies and encourage the 'competition' illusion. Besides we Linux people know WE are the best :-)
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 00:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <slvpfk$ach$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33547 |
On 11/3/2021 8:02 PM, 1p166 wrote: > Goebbels ... Goring's interests rarely strayed from killing > people ....... Goebbels was a good propagandist. Goering (former fighter ace) was more of a junkie who was self-important. His was a perceptive observation: > Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. > Hermann Goring
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 11:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sm0f18$8se$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33550 |
On 04/11/2021 05:01, Dave Garland wrote: > On 11/3/2021 8:02 PM, 1p166 wrote: > >> Goebbels ... Goring's interests rarely strayed from killing >> people ....... > > Goebbels was a good propagandist. Goering (former fighter ace) was more > of a junkie who was self-important. His was a perceptive observation: > >> Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is >> the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a >> simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or >> a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. >> Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of >> the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are >> being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and >> exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. >> Hermann Goring > Goering or Göring - not Goring. That's what bulls do. -- In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone gets full Marx.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 13:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <iui6mdFqi9U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33555 |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 11:09:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 04/11/2021 05:01, Dave Garland wrote: >> On 11/3/2021 8:02 PM, 1p166 wrote: >> >>> Goebbels ... Goring's interests rarely strayed from killing >>> people ....... >> >> Goebbels was a good propagandist. Goering (former fighter ace) was more >> of a junkie who was self-important. His was a perceptive observation: >> >>> Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is >>> the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a >>> simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or >>> a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. >>> Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of >>> the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are >>> being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and >>> exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. >>> Hermann Goring >> > Goering or Göring - not Goring. That's what bulls do. Or a place in Sussex. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 05:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20211104050156.92fa931e48b6075c589ed95a@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #33547 |
On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 21:02:18 -0400 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: > Besides we Linux people know WE are the best :-) Nah! Second best, BSD is the best :) -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 13:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <iui6lbFqi9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33551 |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 05:01:56 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 21:02:18 -0400 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: > >> Besides we Linux people know WE are the best :-) > > Nah! Second best, BSD is the best :) +1 -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 15:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ifTgJ.17841$lz3.7123@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #33557 |
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> writes: >On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 05:01:56 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > >> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 21:02:18 -0400 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: >> >>> Besides we Linux people know WE are the best :-) >> >> Nah! Second best, BSD is the best :) > >+1 -2. See the pdp10 usenet group for a recent example of where BSD falls down. SVR4 forever! :-)
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 15:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mddbl2zn2mr.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #33559 |
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
> Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> writes:
> >On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 05:01:56 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 21:02:18 -0400 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Besides we Linux people know WE are the best :-)
> >>
> >> Nah! Second best, BSD is the best :)
> >
> >+1
>
> -2.
>
> See the pdp10 usenet group for a recent example of where BSD falls down.
>
> SVR4 forever! :-)
+1
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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| From | 1p166 <z24ba6.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-04 23:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <N7SdnUoFWva1Nxn8nZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33551 |
On 11/4/21 1:01 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 21:02:18 -0400 > 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: > >> Besides we Linux people know WE are the best :-) > > Nah! Second best, BSD is the best :) "Close competitor" :-) Sorry, but the BSDs are still kinda "unrefined". You have to do about 50% more work to achieve the same results. Some may see that as good, but there could be some debate on that subject.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-11-05 07:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20211105073751.2f2c5e354631b4b6de78d7d9@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #33575 |
On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 23:51:04 -0400 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: > On 11/4/21 1:01 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 21:02:18 -0400 > > 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: > > > >> Besides we Linux people know WE are the best :-) > > > > Nah! Second best, BSD is the best :) > > "Close competitor" :-) > > Sorry, but the BSDs are still kinda "unrefined". > You have to do about 50% more work to achieve the > same results. BSDs are more industrial style - solid, reliable, consistent. Linux distributions tend to be more consumer style - flashy, convenient, constantly changing. I prefer the former. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2021-11-05 08:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <iuk9qsFqi9U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33580 |
On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 07:37:51 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 23:51:04 -0400 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: > >> On 11/4/21 1:01 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 21:02:18 -0400 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Besides we Linux people know WE are the best :-) >> > >> > Nah! Second best, BSD is the best :) >> >> "Close competitor" :-) >> >> Sorry, but the BSDs are still kinda "unrefined". You have to do >> about 50% more work to achieve the same results. > > BSDs are more industrial style - solid, reliable, consistent. Linux > distributions tend to be more consumer style - flashy, convenient, > constantly changing. I prefer the former. +1. Perhaps Linux is simpler for people to use because many management operations only need you to know about one thing - systemd. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2021-11-05 13:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5EahJ.2152$Vt1.1598@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #33580 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes: >On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 23:51:04 -0400 >1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: > >> On 11/4/21 1:01 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 21:02:18 -0400 >> > 1p166 <z24ba6.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Besides we Linux people know WE are the best :-) >> > >> > Nah! Second best, BSD is the best :) >> >> "Close competitor" :-) >> >> Sorry, but the BSDs are still kinda "unrefined". >> You have to do about 50% more work to achieve the >> same results. > > BSDs are more industrial style - solid, reliable, consistent. Linux >distributions tend to be more consumer style - flashy, convenient, >constantly changing. I prefer the former. I give you Redhat Enterprise Linux and SUSE Enterprise Linux Server. Far more solid, reliable and consistent than any *BSD release. Ever. Hands down.
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