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  Any Unicode Experts? FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 14:39 +0000
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 15:01 +0000
    US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-08-06 08:15 -0700
      Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2021-08-06 17:36 +0200
        Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 15:49 +0000
          Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2021-08-06 18:48 +0200
          Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 17:57 +0000
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-08-06 18:10 +0000
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-06 20:27 +0000
      Re: Any Unicode Experts? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-07 09:36 +0100
        Re: Any Unicode Experts? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-08 04:32 +0000
          Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-07 22:50 -0600
            Re: Any Unicode Experts? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-08-08 17:27 +0000
              Re: Any Unicode Experts? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-08 20:21 +0200
              Re: Any Unicode Experts? Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2021-08-09 13:58 +0000
            Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-08 20:32 +0200
              Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-08 18:00 -0600
                "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-08-08 18:11 -0700
                  Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-08 22:19 -0600
                    Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-08-16 16:06 +0200
                  Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 18:02 +0200
                    while(malloc(666)); Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-08-10 09:28 -0700
                      Re: while(malloc(666)); jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 18:39 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-09 07:28 +0200
                  Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-09 07:56 -0600
                    Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 10:33 +0200
                      Re: Any Unicode Experts? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-10 12:49 +0100
                        Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 15:26 +0200
                          Re: Any Unicode Experts? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2021-08-10 13:43 +0000
                      Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-10 21:12 -0600
                        Re: Any Unicode Experts? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-11 12:25 +0100
                        Re: Any Unicode Experts? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-11 16:52 +0000
                          Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-11 20:19 +0200
                            Re: Any Unicode Experts? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-12 16:37 +0000
                              Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-12 20:32 +0200
                                Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-12 20:40 -0600
                    Re: Any Unicode Experts? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-10 16:11 -0400
                      Re: Any Unicode Experts? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-13 17:42 +0000

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#32772 — Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio.

Il 09/08/2021 03:11, Jeff-Relf.Me@. ha scritto:
> Bowman:
>> I'm not a power user of the VS editor but
>> 35 years later it seems to lack the features of Brief.
> 
> My macros & extensions to Visual Studio 2019:  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Macros.HTM
> 
> In Visual Studio, I'm editing a small, recently opened text file.
> AutoRecover is turned off.
> 
> For that, it's consuming 1.8 gigabytes of RAM, and growing rapidly;
> occasionally, it drops back down to "just" 1.2 gigabytes.
> 
> Just now, it disappeared from the task manager altogether,
> showing up again only after ReStarting the task manager.
> 
> Every time I debug my app, memory usage goes up,
> briefly topping 2 gigabytes, _after_ exiting the app/debugger.
> Hmmm... it's a memory leak, apparently.
> 
> I ReStarted Visual Studio, now it's consuming 186 megabytes,
> no more memory leaking.
> 
> "while(1);" borks Visual Studio, apparently.
> 
sad C coders:

     while(1);

better:

#define ever (;;)

     for ever;

XDD

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#32773 — while(malloc(666));

You (jak) replied ( to me ):
> > "while(1);" borks Visual Studio.
> 
> #define ever (;;)
> for ever;

while(malloc(666));

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#32774 — Re: while(malloc(666));

Il 10/08/2021 18:28, Jeff-Relf.Me@. ha scritto:
> You (jak) replied ( to me ):
>>> "while(1);" borks Visual Studio.
>>
>> #define ever (;;)
>> for ever;
> 
> while(malloc(666));
> 

With your version, VS will probably just survive a few seconds. ;^)

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#32762

Il 09/08/2021 02:00, rbowman ha scritto:
> On 08/08/2021 12:32 PM, jak wrote:
>> Il 08/08/2021 06:50, rbowman ha scritto:
>>> On 08/07/2021 10:32 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>>> Ctrl-C for Copy I think exists because Command-C for copy first 
>>>> existed.
>>>> Neither has anything to do with the ASCII control character ETX.
>>>
>>> I'm probably wrong but I think WordStar had an influence.
>>
>> I don't think so. These are the old commands for wordstar:
>> https://sfwriter.com/wordstar-command-summary.pdf
>> In my memory the first Ctrl-X/Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V shortcuts I saw with the
>> first full-screen commands in ms-dos 3.1: explorer.exe and qbasic.exe.
>> Explorer was very similar to the Windows version but in semi-graphics
>> (video in text mode and windows drawn with ascii-extended fonts). These
>> programs finally allowed to use the mouse making the old shortcuts
>> difficult to use (Shift-Del/Ctrl-Ins/Shift-Ins) with the left hand
>> (to keep the right hand on the mouse), however the old shortcuts also
>> work today and often even with programs that suppress the new shortcuts.
>>
>> cheers
> 
> Brief had those key bindings but by '85 it wasn't clear who was copying 
> who. That was the only programming editor I ever paid money for. Borland 
> bought it and buried it.
> 
> I'm not a power user of the VS editor but 35 years later it seems to 
> lack the features of Brief.

In this way you make me dig up the past ... At that time I started
developing in dos and windows but I came from the unix and xenix world,
so the only editor I knew was the Vi, so I got a copy that ran under dos
. A powerful copy weighing 17KB. I stopped using it only many years
later when Multiedit (an amazing editor) came on the market.

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#32763

On 08/08/2021 11:28 PM, jak wrote:
> Il 09/08/2021 02:00, rbowman ha scritto:
>> On 08/08/2021 12:32 PM, jak wrote:
>>> Il 08/08/2021 06:50, rbowman ha scritto:
>>>> On 08/07/2021 10:32 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>>>> Ctrl-C for Copy I think exists because Command-C for copy first
>>>>> existed.
>>>>> Neither has anything to do with the ASCII control character ETX.
>>>>
>>>> I'm probably wrong but I think WordStar had an influence.
>>>
>>> I don't think so. These are the old commands for wordstar:
>>> https://sfwriter.com/wordstar-command-summary.pdf
>>> In my memory the first Ctrl-X/Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V shortcuts I saw with the
>>> first full-screen commands in ms-dos 3.1: explorer.exe and qbasic.exe.
>>> Explorer was very similar to the Windows version but in semi-graphics
>>> (video in text mode and windows drawn with ascii-extended fonts). These
>>> programs finally allowed to use the mouse making the old shortcuts
>>> difficult to use (Shift-Del/Ctrl-Ins/Shift-Ins) with the left hand
>>> (to keep the right hand on the mouse), however the old shortcuts also
>>> work today and often even with programs that suppress the new shortcuts.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>
>> Brief had those key bindings but by '85 it wasn't clear who was
>> copying who. That was the only programming editor I ever paid money
>> for. Borland bought it and buried it.
>>
>> I'm not a power user of the VS editor but 35 years later it seems to
>> lack the features of Brief.
>
> In this way you make me dig up the past ... At that time I started
> developing in dos and windows but I came from the unix and xenix world,
> so the only editor I knew was the Vi, so I got a copy that ran under dos
> . A powerful copy weighing 17KB. I stopped using it only many years
> later when Multiedit (an amazing editor) came on the market.

Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and Emacs 
was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It looks like 
gVim has porked up to 2.7.

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#32768

Il 09/08/2021 15:56, rbowman ha scritto:
> Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and Emacs 
> was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It looks like 
> gVim has porked up to 2.7.

No. Further back. When a hard drive was huge if greater than 30MB.

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#32769

On 10/08/2021 09:33, jak wrote:
> Il 09/08/2021 15:56, rbowman ha scritto:
>> Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and Emacs 
>> was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It looks like 
>> gVim has porked up to 2.7.
> 
> No. Further back. When a hard drive was huge if greater than 30MB.

haha.
when the PC running a serial program to the PDP 11 had more RAM than the 
PDP!

And some twat ran IIRC SED all over the source files and turned multiple 
spaces into tabs to reduce the space...and ruined all my C string 
cọnstants!!!

Happy dayz.

It was quicker to grab the files over the serial link, edit them with 
wordstar on the PC, and upload them and then compile them.

just used 'vi' for quick hacks...

-- 
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house 
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift

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#32770

Il 10/08/2021 13:49, The Natural Philosopher ha scritto:
> On 10/08/2021 09:33, jak wrote:
>> Il 09/08/2021 15:56, rbowman ha scritto:
>>> Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and 
>>> Emacs was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It 
>>> looks like gVim has porked up to 2.7.
>>
>> No. Further back. When a hard drive was huge if greater than 30MB.
> 
> haha.
> when the PC running a serial program to the PDP 11 had more RAM than the 
> PDP!
> 
> And some twat ran IIRC SED all over the source files and turned multiple 
> spaces into tabs to reduce the space...and ruined all my C string 
> cọnstants!!!
> 
> Happy dayz.
> 
> It was quicker to grab the files over the serial link, edit them with 
> wordstar on the PC, and upload them and then compile them.
> 
> just used 'vi' for quick hacks...
> 

It should be remembered more often than to modify the source codes, the
'Vi' can be a great ally when it is renamed 'Ed'.

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#32771

On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 15:26:27 +0200, jak wrote:

> Il 10/08/2021 13:49, The Natural Philosopher ha scritto:
>> On 10/08/2021 09:33, jak wrote:
>>> Il 09/08/2021 15:56, rbowman ha scritto:
>>>> Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and
>>>> Emacs was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It
>>>> looks like gVim has porked up to 2.7.
>>>
>>> No. Further back. When a hard drive was huge if greater than 30MB.
>> 
>> haha.
>> when the PC running a serial program to the PDP 11 had more RAM than
>> the PDP!
>> 
>> And some twat ran IIRC SED all over the source files and turned
>> multiple spaces into tabs to reduce the space...and ruined all my C
>> string cọnstants!!!
>> 
>> Happy dayz.
>> 
>> It was quicker to grab the files over the serial link, edit them with
>> wordstar on the PC, and upload them and then compile them.
>> 
>> just used 'vi' for quick hacks...
>> 
>> 
> It should be remembered more often than to modify the source codes, the
> 'Vi' can be a great ally when it is renamed 'Ed'.

Thank gosh!

Sensible people on the usenets!

-- 
-v

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#32779

On 08/10/2021 02:33 AM, jak wrote:
> Il 09/08/2021 15:56, rbowman ha scritto:
>> Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and Emacs
>> was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It looks like
>> gVim has porked up to 2.7.
>
> No. Further back. When a hard drive was huge if greater than 30MB.

What am I ever going to do with all this disk space?  There is a 
corollary of Moorse's Law that pertains to executable and data bloat.

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#32785

On 11/08/2021 04:12, rbowman wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 02:33 AM, jak wrote:
>> Il 09/08/2021 15:56, rbowman ha scritto:
>>> Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and Emacs
>>> was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It looks like
>>> gVim has porked up to 2.7.
>>
>> No. Further back. When a hard drive was huge if greater than 30MB.
> 
> What am I ever going to do with all this disk space?  There is a 
> corollary of Moorse's Law that pertains to executable and data bloat.
> 
That has actually returned to haunt me. My NAS that has all the data is 
a linux box with lots of spinning rust, but my user devices are laptops 
Pis stupidPhones and a desktop pc all equipped with SSD's that are 
almost entirely read only devices. And virtually empty.

But I cant get a 30GB drive.



-- 
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale 
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain

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#32790

On 2021-08-11, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On 08/10/2021 02:33 AM, jak wrote:
>
>> Il 09/08/2021 15:56, rbowman ha scritto:
>>
>>> Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and Emacs
>>> was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It looks like
>>> gVim has porked up to 2.7.
>>
>> No. Further back. When a hard drive was huge if greater than 30MB.
>
> What am I ever going to do with all this disk space?  There is a 
> corollary of Moorse's Law that pertains to executable and data bloat.

s/Moorse's/Parkinson's/

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  They don't understand Microsoft
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  has stolen their car and parked
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  a taxi in their driveway.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Mayayana

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#32791

Il 11/08/2021 18:52, Charlie Gibbs ha scritto:
> s/Moorse's/Parkinson's/

Moore's

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#32798

On 2021-08-11, jak <nospam@please.ty> wrote:

> Il 11/08/2021 18:52, Charlie Gibbs ha scritto:
>
>> s/Moorse's/Parkinson's/
>
> Moore's

True, but I figured I'd used up my nitpicking allowance.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  They don't understand Microsoft
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  has stolen their car and parked
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  a taxi in their driveway.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Mayayana

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#32800

Il 12/08/2021 18:37, Charlie Gibbs ha scritto:
> On 2021-08-11, jak <nospam@please.ty> wrote:
> 
>> Il 11/08/2021 18:52, Charlie Gibbs ha scritto:
>>
>>> s/Moorse's/Parkinson's/
>>
>> Moore's
> 
> True, but I figured I'd used up my nitpicking allowance.
> 

Do not worry. The culprit is rbowman and his bad habit at the fishing.
XDD

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#32801

On 08/12/2021 12:32 PM, jak wrote:
> Il 12/08/2021 18:37, Charlie Gibbs ha scritto:
>> On 2021-08-11, jak <nospam@please.ty> wrote:
>>
>>> Il 11/08/2021 18:52, Charlie Gibbs ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> s/Moorse's/Parkinson's/
>>>
>>> Moore's
>>
>> True, but I figured I'd used up my nitpicking allowance.
>>
>
> Do not worry. The culprit is rbowman and his bad habit at the fishing.
> XDD

Man, you don't want to know about the rest of my bad habits...

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#32775

On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 07:56:15 -0600, rbowman wrote:
>
> Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and Emacs
> was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It looks like 
> gVim has porked up to 2.7.

The on my first PC 1995 had 1300 MB. In late 1997 I split it between
Windows 95 (850 MB) and installed Linux (rest including swap space). No
space for a GUI. May be I could had installed Xfce or something. But the
CD, which came as bonus on a magazine, only had KDE, and I was a bloody
n00b not even knowing what KDE is.
-- 
Andreas

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#32802

Le 10-08-2021, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> a écrit :
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 07:56:15 -0600, rbowman wrote:
>>
>> Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and Emacs
>> was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It looks like 
>> gVim has porked up to 2.7.
>
> The on my first PC 1995 had 1300 MB. In late 1997 I split it between
> Windows 95 (850 MB) and installed Linux (rest including swap space). No
> space for a GUI. May be I could had installed Xfce or something. But the
> CD, which came as bonus on a magazine, only had KDE, and I was a bloody
> n00b not even knowing what KDE is.

I don't remember kde being available so soon. At this time the most
beautiful and heavy WM I heard about was enlightenment. For the others
which didn't have a powerful computer, there was fvwm which as very
light.

-- 
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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