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| Started by | Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> |
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| First post | 2012-01-07 20:15 -0800 |
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Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-07 20:15 -0800
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-08 06:03 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-07 23:33 -0800
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-07 23:40 -0800
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-08 22:10 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-08 22:07 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-21 14:07 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-23 10:08 -0800
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-24 05:04 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-24 11:04 -0800
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Loki Harfagr <l0k1@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID> - 2012-01-25 18:33 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-25 20:17 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-01-25 21:37 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-25 22:32 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-01-26 01:33 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-26 07:56 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Baho Utot <baho-utot@invlaid.com> - 2012-01-26 09:26 -0500
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-26 22:43 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2012-01-27 00:43 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-01-26 20:08 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-26 22:55 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Baho Utot <baho-utot@invlaid.com> - 2012-01-26 18:15 -0500
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-27 07:55 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Baho Utot <baho-utot@invlaid.com> - 2012-01-27 07:51 -0500
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-01-27 09:29 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-27 20:35 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2012-01-27 22:45 +0100
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Baho Utot <baho-utot@invlaid.com> - 2012-01-26 18:58 -0500
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2012-01-27 07:22 -0600
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-21 14:47 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-27 20:47 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2012-01-27 22:03 +0100
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-27 21:38 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-27 21:54 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-28 00:00 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-28 01:32 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-28 01:54 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Baho Utot <baho-utot@invlaid.com> - 2012-01-29 08:01 -0500
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-29 19:09 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Darren Salt <news@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> - 2012-01-31 17:57 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-31 21:12 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2012-01-27 16:44 -0500
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Baho Utot <baho-utot@invlaid.com> - 2012-01-27 16:39 -0500
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? lynxuser@mouse-potato.com - 2012-01-27 14:17 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Baho Utot <baho-utot@invlaid.com> - 2012-01-27 09:44 -0500
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Feranija <feranija@mouse-potato.com> - 2012-01-27 07:02 -0800
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-27 20:53 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-21 14:54 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-21 14:43 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-21 18:02 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-21 17:30 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-21 23:01 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-03-22 04:10 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-22 07:19 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-22 17:48 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-22 17:51 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-22 17:46 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-03-23 04:45 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-03-23 04:47 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@anu.homelinux.net> - 2013-03-23 21:26 +0530
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-22 18:05 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-22 17:57 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-22 07:17 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-03-23 01:30 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2013-03-23 02:40 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-03-23 13:33 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-23 10:41 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-03-23 15:29 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-23 11:57 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-23 17:24 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-03-23 19:02 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-23 20:00 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-03-23 23:22 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-23 19:44 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-03-23 23:56 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-23 20:36 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-03-24 00:54 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-22 18:02 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-03-22 14:34 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-23 11:48 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-03-23 13:35 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-03-23 11:59 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-23 16:35 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-03-23 13:09 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-23 17:14 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-03-23 13:33 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2013-03-23 17:58 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-03-23 14:19 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-23 19:18 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2013-03-23 19:18 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-03-23 17:25 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> (Nuno Silva) - 2013-03-24 00:05 +0200
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-23 23:39 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> (Nuno Silva) - 2013-03-24 09:00 +0200
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-24 16:04 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-03-24 13:46 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-24 19:07 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-03-24 17:06 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? "Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)" <njsg@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-24 21:20 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Fedora bug tracking Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2013-03-24 20:08 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Fedora bug tracking Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-25 09:59 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-24 22:17 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? "Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)" <njsg@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-24 23:07 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-25 09:57 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-24 22:35 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? "Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)" <njsg@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-24 23:03 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-24 21:42 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-24 21:31 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> (Nuno Silva) - 2013-03-24 09:00 +0200
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-24 11:29 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-23 23:34 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-23 19:58 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-24 11:31 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-24 08:56 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-30 12:06 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-30 13:24 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-24 17:46 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-24 15:53 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-24 21:45 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-24 21:51 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-24 20:53 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-03-25 08:32 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2013-03-23 17:22 +0100
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-23 17:13 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-23 18:44 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2013-03-24 04:15 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-24 11:34 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-22 17:56 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-03-22 18:39 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-03-22 22:14 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-23 16:25 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-23 13:03 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-23 18:39 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-23 16:37 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-21 17:23 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-22 17:58 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> - 2013-03-22 17:53 -0400
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-03-23 09:20 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-21 14:35 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2012-01-25 23:28 +0100
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-26 07:41 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-21 14:31 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-21 14:23 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-21 14:21 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Todd <Todd@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-26 10:38 -0800
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2012-01-08 15:50 +0000
Re: Why are mkisofs ISO's so large? Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de - 2013-03-21 14:06 +0000
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| From | unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2012-01-31 21:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <aPYVq.4988$EF2.1505@newsfe18.iad> |
| In reply to | #4041 |
On 2012-01-31, Darren Salt <news@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote: > I demand that unruh may or may not have written... > > [snip] >> Debian has made statements about the licensing. If one takes it literally >> it would outlaw a huge number of programs which are not outlawed from the >> distro. (I would point to for example any GPL3 program. Since the kenrel is >> GPL2 and GPL2 ONLY, > > ???The kernel???... which kernel? > > Linux or FreeBSD? Linux. FreeBSD as far as I know uses the BSD license? > > Debian has both. :-?? > > [snip]
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2012-01-27 16:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <icobto3jnq.fsf@home.home> |
| In reply to | #3931 |
unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> writes: > Thanks. As I have said often, Schilling can be hard to get along with. > He is stubborn and he is opinionated. ... > But from what I have seen, the situation was NOT caused by Jorg himself. > It was an unfortunate collision between him and others, in which all of > them acted very much like little children fighting in a sandbox-- yes, > including Jorg. He's hard to get along with but it's not his fault? He's got the CD stuff, smake (make), star (tar), and I don't know what else. In every case, he's not able to get along with any of the developers of the related products. I believe he's got talent but his inability to get along with others and maybe compromise leaves all his stuff by the wayside. It's a shame. I wish him well. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Baho Utot <baho-utot@invlaid.com> |
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| Date | 2012-01-27 16:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o5ibv8-m0h.ln1@crazy-horse.bildanet.com> |
| In reply to | #3931 |
unruh wrote: [putolin] http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2010-January/010466.html > > Thanks. As I have said often, Schilling can be hard to get along with. > He is stubborn and he is opinionated. He also writes really good > software. cdrkit is HIS software. It is not someone elses. Not exactly, I understand and he himself has admitted that some parts of it he did not write and are copyright by others. I think you can find that in the cdrkit and cdrtools both.
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| From | lynxuser@mouse-potato.com |
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| Date | 2012-01-27 14:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <jfubl1$jdk$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #3905 |
Baho Utot writes: >> He showed up on the arch mail lists and somewhat demanded that they >> use cdrtools insteed of cdrkit. An ensuing cat fight then commenced. We have read the thread in the Arch mailing list and saw no such demand. Please point to the post in the mailing-list where he demanded they use cdrtools instead of something else. John Hasler wrote: > He also has threatened to sue Debian developers. Threatening to sue because of introducing cdrkit to Debian, and removing his cdrtools, or what ? Any proof to this, or are you just Eduard Bloch's cousin or something ?
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| From | Baho Utot <baho-utot@invlaid.com> |
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| Date | 2012-01-27 09:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8spav8-hbg.ln1@crazy-horse.bildanet.com> |
| In reply to | #3916 |
lynxuser@mouse-potato.com wrote: > Baho Utot writes: > >>> He showed up on the arch mail lists and somewhat demanded that they >>> use cdrtools insteed of cdrkit. An ensuing cat fight then commenced. > > We have read the thread in the Arch mailing list and saw no such demand. What you have a mouse in your pocket? > Please point to the post in the mailing-list where he demanded they use > cdrtools instead of something else. Then you didn't read the entire thread did you or you have a lack of understanding. Allan McRae put it quite nicely. > > John Hasler wrote: > >> He also has threatened to sue Debian developers. > > Threatening to sue because of introducing cdrkit to Debian, and removing > his cdrtools, or what ? > Any proof to this, or are you just Eduard Bloch's cousin or something ? What are you a troll or something
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| From | Feranija <feranija@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2012-01-27 07:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <jfueb5$jcn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3917 |
On 27/01/12 06:44, Baho Utot wrote: > lynxuser@mouse-potato.com wrote: > >> Baho Utot writes: >> >>>> He showed up on the arch mail lists and somewhat demanded that they >>>> use cdrtools insteed of cdrkit. An ensuing cat fight then commenced. >> >> We have read the thread in the Arch mailing list and saw no such demand. > > What you have a mouse in your pocket? > >> Please point to the post in the mailing-list where he demanded they use >> cdrtools instead of something else. > > Then you didn't read the entire thread did you or you have a lack of > understanding. Allan McRae put it quite nicely. I've read the entire thread in the mailing list and noticed no such _demand_ to use cdrtools insteed of cdrkit. Perhaps you know of an another, hidden thread where he _demanded_ his cdrtools be included in the Arch distribution ? Please respond. >> John Hasler wrote: >> >>> He also has threatened to sue Debian developers. >> >> Threatening to sue because of introducing cdrkit to Debian, and removing >> his cdrtools, or what ? >> Any proof to this, or are you just Eduard Bloch's cousin or something ? > > What are you a troll or something Please point to the post where he threatens to sue Debian because or removing his cdrtools. Thank you.
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| From | unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2012-01-27 20:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j9EUq.10466$Sh7.7407@newsfe15.iad> |
| In reply to | #3918 |
On 2012-01-27, Feranija <feranija@mouse-potato.com> wrote: > On 27/01/12 06:44, Baho Utot wrote: >> lynxuser@mouse-potato.com wrote: >> >>> Baho Utot writes: >>> >>>>> He showed up on the arch mail lists and somewhat demanded that they >>>>> use cdrtools insteed of cdrkit. An ensuing cat fight then commenced. >>> >>> We have read the thread in the Arch mailing list and saw no such demand. >> >> What you have a mouse in your pocket? >> >>> Please point to the post in the mailing-list where he demanded they use >>> cdrtools instead of something else. >> >> Then you didn't read the entire thread did you or you have a lack of >> understanding. Allan McRae put it quite nicely. > > > I've read the entire thread in the mailing list and noticed no such > _demand_ to use cdrtools insteed of cdrkit. Perhaps you know of an > another, hidden thread where he _demanded_ his cdrtools be included > in the Arch distribution ? Please respond. > >>> John Hasler wrote: >>> >>>> He also has threatened to sue Debian developers. >>> >>> Threatening to sue because of introducing cdrkit to Debian, and removing >>> his cdrtools, or what ? >>> Any proof to this, or are you just Eduard Bloch's cousin or something ? >> >> What are you a troll or something > > > Please point to the post where he threatens to sue Debian because or > removing his cdrtools. Thank you. As far as I recall, the suit threat came from Debian altering cdrtools, originally to include dvd writing ( which Jorg charged for) and then for a few other reasons, and continuing to call it cdrecord. Jorg felt that the result was not up to his standards and wanted them to rename it so the changed version would not be mistaken for his software. He was also getting people complaining to him about errors in the code that had not bee written by him. Debian at first refused, and then later complied ( which is why it is called cdrkit, wodim,....)
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| From | Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de |
|---|---|
| Date | 2013-03-21 14:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kif6vj$bn3$10@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #3932 |
In article <j9EUq.10466$Sh7.7407@newsfe15.iad>,
unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>As far as I recall, the suit threat came from Debian altering cdrtools,
>originally to include dvd writing ( which Jorg charged for) and then for
Even though there are some people who spread this false claim, using cdrecord
to write DVDs was always free. There was just a NDA with Pioneer that
prevented me from giving away certain information unless everyone (including
companies like Nero) did manage to understand how to write DVDs.
--
EMail:joerg@schily.net (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni)
joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
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| From | Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de |
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| Date | 2013-03-21 14:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kif6a5$bn3$8@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #3905 |
In article <87y5sup6q5.fsf@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,
Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Derivative works are precisely that, works which rely in some ill
>> defined way on other works. Would a court regard a user program which
>> uses kernel calls as derivative works?
>
>The usual interpretation (for instance, the one adopted in US law) is
>that a derivative work is one based on another. User programs are not
>(in general) based on the kernel.
And in special, a library called by a problem being under GPL does not make
that (preexisting) library a derivative work of the program that calls it.
Conclusion: a GPLd program can use any library under any lisnce as long as that
license does not disallow such a case.
As an important hint:
In the US, the GPL is a not a contract but a "license". This is made to protect
customers against claims from the Copyright holders. US Copyright law title 17
paragraph 106 lists all claims a licens is permitted to make. The redifinition
of the term "derivative work" is not in that list and for this reason, the
related text in the GPL is illegal and void.
>I don't in any way speak for Debian but their position as I understand
>it is that distributing the executable would require complying with both
>the GPL and CDDL simultaneously. That's not possible.
If they would believe that the GPL has to be interpreted the way they do for
cdrtools, the whole Debian distro would be illegal. Note that any Linux distro
includes software under various licenses.
--
EMail:joerg@schily.net (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni)
joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
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| From | unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2013-03-21 18:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <HWH2t.165667$O52.92917@newsfe10.iad> |
| In reply to | #7519 |
On 2013-03-21, Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de <Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote: > In article <87y5sup6q5.fsf@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>, > Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote: > >>> Derivative works are precisely that, works which rely in some ill >>> defined way on other works. Would a court regard a user program which >>> uses kernel calls as derivative works? >> >>The usual interpretation (for instance, the one adopted in US law) is >>that a derivative work is one based on another. User programs are not >>(in general) based on the kernel. Being "based on" is not sufficient. Moby Dick is based on the Bible, but is not a derivative work of the Bible. On the other hand Gone with the Wind is based on the novel of that name ( with substantial differences) but a court has ruled that the copyright on the book applies to the movie. The big problem is that "derivtive work" is an extremely ill defined term in copyright law, which of course means that barrack room lawyers can have a field day, unconstrained by anything. > > And in special, a library called by a problem being under GPL does not make > that (preexisting) library a derivative work of the program that calls it. That would be a very strange definition of derivative work. > > Conclusion: a GPLd program can use any library under any lisnce as long as that > license does not disallow such a case. > > As an important hint: > > In the US, the GPL is a not a contract but a "license". This is made to protect > customers against claims from the Copyright holders. US Copyright law title 17 > paragraph 106 lists all claims a licens is permitted to make. The redifinition > of the term "derivative work" is not in that list and for this reason, the > related text in the GPL is illegal and void. Derivative work is defined in law, and no contract or license cah redefine it if the force of the contract or license comes from the copyright act. Of course, in a contract you can make any claims you want, and if the other party agrees, then, assuming it is not explicitly illegal, it can be enforced under copyright law. But certainly neither the GPL or CDDL are contracts. Thus those sections under the GPL which may appear to define derivative work ( they do not use that term) are their interpretation of how the law would apply to them and their license. Unfortuantely or otherwise, it is the courts that determine such things, not the license writer. And since the license is one sided (ie is not agreed to by the two parties, but is imposed by one) it will tend to interpreted as liberally for the licensee as possible. Since the licensor had the opportunity to make the license clear, any ambiguity will be resolved in favour of the person who did not have that opportunity. Ie, the related text in the GPL is NOT illegal. It is simply irrelevant, and at best expresses their understanding of the meaning of the legal terms, a understanding a court is free to disagree with. But even without that, I have never understood the argument as to why the GPL and CDDL are incompatible. > >>I don't in any way speak for Debian but their position as I understand >>it is that distributing the executable would require complying with both >>the GPL and CDDL simultaneously. That's not possible. > > If they would believe that the GPL has to be interpreted the way they do for > cdrtools, the whole Debian distro would be illegal. Note that any Linux distro > includes software under various licenses. GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does GPL and CDDL. On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as well as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't do that, but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is just too bad that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software due to this battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, but it is a bit of a pain.) > > >
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| From | Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2013-03-21 17:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qoas1a-v44.ln1@crazy-horse.bildanet.com> |
| In reply to | #7522 |
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote: [putolin] > GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does GPL > and CDDL. > > On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as well > as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't do that, > but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is just too bad > that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software due to this > battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, but it is a bit > of a pain.) > > >> >> Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away replaced by USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can now get over the web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute point.
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| From | unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-03-21 23:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <FjM2t.174090$t82.156077@newsfe12.iad> |
| In reply to | #7528 |
On 2013-03-21, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote: > > [putolin] > >> GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does GPL >> and CDDL. >> >> On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as well >> as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't do that, >> but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is just too bad >> that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software due to this >> battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, but it is a bit >> of a pain.) >> >> >>> >>> > > Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones > business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away replaced by > USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can now get over the > web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute point. The problem with your comment is that the software that Jorg writes is very good, and has been kept up to date with new writers, etc. Wodim has not. And dvds are still being used and have not been replaced by usb drives A USB drive is still far more expensive than a blank DVD. And while you may have unlimited data download from the web, most people do not. While you may well be right about what the situation in 10 years time will be, most people want to live life now, not sometime in the future.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2013-03-22 04:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnkknmef.r7.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #7530 |
On 2013-03-21, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: > On 2013-03-21, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote: >> >> [putolin] >> >>> GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does GPL >>> and CDDL. >>> >>> On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as well >>> as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't do that, >>> but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is just too bad >>> that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software due to this >>> battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, but it is a bit >>> of a pain.) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >> >> Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones >> business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away replaced by >> USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can now get over the >> web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute point. > > The problem with your comment is that the software that Jorg writes is > very good, and has been kept up to date with new writers, etc. Wodim has > not. And dvds are still being used and have not been replaced by usb > drives A USB drive is still far more expensive than a blank DVD. > And while you may have unlimited data download from the web, most people > do not. While you may well be right about what the situation in 10 years > time will be, most people want to live life now, not sometime in the > future. The problem with the brilliant software Mr. Schilling has written is its author is so often contradicted by reality that it undermines trust in the software. For example, in another thread, he (very) recently stated wodim does not burn DVDs. The reality is wodim has worked very well for burning a mountain of DVDs for me. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2013-03-22 07:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <9art1a-735.ln1@crazy-horse.bildanet.com> |
| In reply to | #7534 |
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:10:55 +0000, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2013-03-21, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: >> On 2013-03-21, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote: >>> >>> [putolin] >>> >>>> GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does >>>> GPL and CDDL. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as >>>> well as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't >>>> do that, but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is >>>> just too bad that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software >>>> due to this battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, >>>> but it is a bit of a pain.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones >>> business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away replaced >>> by USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can now get >>> over the web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute point. >> >> The problem with your comment is that the software that Jorg writes is >> very good, and has been kept up to date with new writers, etc. Wodim >> has not. And dvds are still being used and have not been replaced by >> usb drives A USB drive is still far more expensive than a blank DVD. >> And while you may have unlimited data download from the web, most >> people do not. While you may well be right about what the situation in >> 10 years time will be, most people want to live life now, not sometime >> in the future. > > The problem with the brilliant software Mr. Schilling has written is its > author is so often contradicted by reality that it undermines trust in > the software. For example, in another thread, he (very) recently stated > wodim does not burn DVDs. The reality is wodim has worked very well for > burning a mountain of DVDs for me. Yes he rant and rave all he wants, but I am not going to use cdrtools. I don't care how good they may be.
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| From | unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-03-22 17:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <OP03t.185588$Nq4.166045@newsfe21.iad> |
| In reply to | #7540 |
On 2013-03-22, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote: > On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:10:55 +0000, Robert Riches wrote: > >> On 2013-03-21, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: >>> On 2013-03-21, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote: >>>> >>>> [putolin] >>>> >>>>> GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does >>>>> GPL and CDDL. >>>>> >>>>> On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as >>>>> well as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't >>>>> do that, but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is >>>>> just too bad that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software >>>>> due to this battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, >>>>> but it is a bit of a pain.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones >>>> business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away replaced >>>> by USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can now get >>>> over the web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute point. >>> >>> The problem with your comment is that the software that Jorg writes is >>> very good, and has been kept up to date with new writers, etc. Wodim >>> has not. And dvds are still being used and have not been replaced by >>> usb drives A USB drive is still far more expensive than a blank DVD. >>> And while you may have unlimited data download from the web, most >>> people do not. While you may well be right about what the situation in >>> 10 years time will be, most people want to live life now, not sometime >>> in the future. >> >> The problem with the brilliant software Mr. Schilling has written is its >> author is so often contradicted by reality that it undermines trust in >> the software. For example, in another thread, he (very) recently stated >> wodim does not burn DVDs. The reality is wodim has worked very well for >> burning a mountain of DVDs for me. > > Yes he rant and rave all he wants, but I am not going to use cdrtools. I > don't care how good they may be. So? Your own personal peculiarities are supposed to be of interest to others why? My attitude, since we seem to be discussing attitudes here, is that I do not care about the rants and raves of the author are irrelevant. I use my computer and I want good software, and the personality of the writer is of importance only if it comprimises the software. You apparently have other priorities. > >
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| From | Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2013-03-22 17:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fb0v1a-au5.ln1@crazy-horse.bildanet.com> |
| In reply to | #7545 |
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:48:30 +0000, unruh wrote: > On 2013-03-22, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 04:10:55 +0000, Robert Riches wrote: >> >>> On 2013-03-21, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: >>>> On 2013-03-21, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [putolin] >>>>> >>>>>> GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than >>>>>> does GPL and CDDL. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as >>>>>> well as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't >>>>>> do that, but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is >>>>>> just too bad that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software >>>>>> due to this battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed >>>>>> separately, >>>>>> but it is a bit of a pain.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones >>>>> business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away >>>>> replaced by USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can >>>>> now get over the web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute >>>>> point. >>>> >>>> The problem with your comment is that the software that Jorg writes >>>> is very good, and has been kept up to date with new writers, etc. >>>> Wodim has not. And dvds are still being used and have not been >>>> replaced by usb drives A USB drive is still far more expensive than a >>>> blank DVD. And while you may have unlimited data download from the >>>> web, most people do not. While you may well be right about what the >>>> situation in 10 years time will be, most people want to live life >>>> now, not sometime in the future. >>> >>> The problem with the brilliant software Mr. Schilling has written is >>> its author is so often contradicted by reality that it undermines >>> trust in the software. For example, in another thread, he (very) >>> recently stated wodim does not burn DVDs. The reality is wodim has >>> worked very well for burning a mountain of DVDs for me. >> >> Yes he rant and rave all he wants, but I am not going to use cdrtools. >> I don't care how good they may be. > > So? Your own personal peculiarities are supposed to be of interest to > others why? > My attitude, since we seem to be discussing attitudes here, is that I do > not care about the rants and raves of the author are irrelevant. I use > my computer and I want good software, and the personality of the writer > is of importance only if it comprimises the software. > You apparently have other priorities. > > >> Your right...I am tired of all his horse shit.
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| From | unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-03-22 17:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <uN03t.23638$n%7.23@newsfe20.iad> |
| In reply to | #7534 |
On 2013-03-22, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote: > On 2013-03-21, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: >> On 2013-03-21, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote: >>> >>> [putolin] >>> >>>> GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does GPL >>>> and CDDL. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as well >>>> as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't do that, >>>> but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is just too bad >>>> that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software due to this >>>> battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, but it is a bit >>>> of a pain.) >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones >>> business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away replaced by >>> USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can now get over the >>> web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute point. >> >> The problem with your comment is that the software that Jorg writes is >> very good, and has been kept up to date with new writers, etc. Wodim has >> not. And dvds are still being used and have not been replaced by usb >> drives A USB drive is still far more expensive than a blank DVD. >> And while you may have unlimited data download from the web, most people >> do not. While you may well be right about what the situation in 10 years >> time will be, most people want to live life now, not sometime in the >> future. > > The problem with the brilliant software Mr. Schilling has written > is its author is so often contradicted by reality that it > undermines trust in the software. For example, in another > thread, he (very) recently stated wodim does not burn DVDs. The > reality is wodim has worked very well for burning a mountain of > DVDs for me. And my trust in your comment is low since that is certianly not what he said. And if you distrust his software, you had better not use wodim, since it is his software -- old and modified with possibly more bugs installed, but his software. "It works for me" is hardly a great endorsement. Many a car driver who refuses to wear seatbelts has made that comment. >
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2013-03-23 04:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnkkqcrp.vdb.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #7544 |
On 2013-03-22, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2013-03-22, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
>> On 2013-03-21, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2013-03-21, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [putolin]
>>>>
>>>>> GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does GPL
>>>>> and CDDL.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as well
>>>>> as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't do that,
>>>>> but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is just too bad
>>>>> that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software due to this
>>>>> battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, but it is a bit
>>>>> of a pain.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones
>>>> business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away replaced by
>>>> USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can now get over the
>>>> web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute point.
>>>
>>> The problem with your comment is that the software that Jorg writes is
>>> very good, and has been kept up to date with new writers, etc. Wodim has
>>> not. And dvds are still being used and have not been replaced by usb
>>> drives A USB drive is still far more expensive than a blank DVD.
>>> And while you may have unlimited data download from the web, most people
>>> do not. While you may well be right about what the situation in 10 years
>>> time will be, most people want to live life now, not sometime in the
>>> future.
>>
>> The problem with the brilliant software Mr. Schilling has written
>> is its author is so often contradicted by reality that it
>> undermines trust in the software. For example, in another
>> thread, he (very) recently stated wodim does not burn DVDs. The
>> reality is wodim has worked very well for burning a mountain of
>> DVDs for me.
>
> And my trust in your comment is low since that is certianly not what he
> said.
> And if you distrust his software, you had better not use wodim, since it
> is his software -- old and modified with possibly more bugs installed,
> but his software.
>
> "It works for me" is hardly a great endorsement. Many a car driver who
> refuses to wear seatbelts has made that comment.
That's not what he said? Here's what he said:
Message-ID: <5c3iamF2ujf2cU1@mid.dfncis.de>
"But wodim does not support DVD writing ..."
Okay, "writing" vs. "burn" aren't the same word. In this
context, any practical difference between the words rounds is
indistinguishable from zero.
Where there is a big difference is in comparing a safety device
like seatbelts that are needed very rarely but are very important
when they are needed vs. something like wodim that can be
demonstrated time and time again to have successfully done the
job it was given. I verify every DVD wodim burns for me, and
failures are quite rare.
--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2013-03-23 04:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnkkqcuv.vdb.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #7567 |
On 2013-03-23, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
> On 2013-03-22, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>> On 2013-03-22, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
>>> On 2013-03-21, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2013-03-21, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [putolin]
>>>>>
>>>>>> GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does GPL
>>>>>> and CDDL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as well
>>>>>> as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't do that,
>>>>>> but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is just too bad
>>>>>> that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software due to this
>>>>>> battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, but it is a bit
>>>>>> of a pain.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones
>>>>> business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away replaced by
>>>>> USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can now get over the
>>>>> web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute point.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with your comment is that the software that Jorg writes is
>>>> very good, and has been kept up to date with new writers, etc. Wodim has
>>>> not. And dvds are still being used and have not been replaced by usb
>>>> drives A USB drive is still far more expensive than a blank DVD.
>>>> And while you may have unlimited data download from the web, most people
>>>> do not. While you may well be right about what the situation in 10 years
>>>> time will be, most people want to live life now, not sometime in the
>>>> future.
>>>
>>> The problem with the brilliant software Mr. Schilling has written
>>> is its author is so often contradicted by reality that it
>>> undermines trust in the software. For example, in another
>>> thread, he (very) recently stated wodim does not burn DVDs. The
>>> reality is wodim has worked very well for burning a mountain of
>>> DVDs for me.
>>
>> And my trust in your comment is low since that is certianly not what he
>> said.
>> And if you distrust his software, you had better not use wodim, since it
>> is his software -- old and modified with possibly more bugs installed,
>> but his software.
>>
>> "It works for me" is hardly a great endorsement. Many a car driver who
>> refuses to wear seatbelts has made that comment.
>
> That's not what he said? Here's what he said:
>
> Message-ID: <5c3iamF2ujf2cU1@mid.dfncis.de>
> "But wodim does not support DVD writing ..."
>
> Okay, "writing" vs. "burn" aren't the same word. In this
> context, any practical difference between the words rounds is
> indistinguishable from zero.
Apologies, proofreading didn't catch the above error. It should
have been
Okay, "writing" vs. "burn" aren't the same word. In this
context, any practical difference between the words is
indistinguishable from zero.
> Where there is a big difference is in comparing a safety device
> like seatbelts that are needed very rarely but are very important
> when they are needed vs. something like wodim that can be
> demonstrated time and time again to have successfully done the
> job it was given. I verify every DVD wodim burns for me, and
> failures are quite rare.
--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@anu.homelinux.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2013-03-23 21:26 +0530 |
| Message-ID | <mtv02axlqh.ln2@news.homelinux.net> |
| In reply to | #7567 |
On 03/23/2013 10:15 AM, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2013-03-22, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: >> On 2013-03-22, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote: >>> On 2013-03-21, unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: >>>> On 2013-03-21, Octothorpe <Octothorpe@invalid.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:02:15 +0000, unruh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [putolin] >>>>> >>>>>> GPL3 and GPL2 for example contain far more incompatibility than does GPL >>>>>> and CDDL. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the other hand, Jorg could release cdrtools under the GPL2 (as well >>>>>> as CDDL) if he wanted to. It is not clear to me why he doesn't do that, >>>>>> but it is his right to release it however he wants. It is just too bad >>>>>> that the rest of us are saddled with inferior software due to this >>>>>> battle royal (Yes, cdrtools can be installed separately, but it is a bit >>>>>> of a pain.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just use wodim (when you need to burn a cd/DVD) and go about ones >>>>> business and forget about Jorg. DVD and such are going away replaced by >>>>> USB derives. Movies that was once only on DVDs you can now get over the >>>>> web, so Jorg and his crusade is becoming a mute point. >>>> >>>> The problem with your comment is that the software that Jorg writes is >>>> very good, and has been kept up to date with new writers, etc. Wodim has >>>> not. And dvds are still being used and have not been replaced by usb >>>> drives A USB drive is still far more expensive than a blank DVD. >>>> And while you may have unlimited data download from the web, most people >>>> do not. While you may well be right about what the situation in 10 years >>>> time will be, most people want to live life now, not sometime in the >>>> future. >>> >>> The problem with the brilliant software Mr. Schilling has written >>> is its author is so often contradicted by reality that it >>> undermines trust in the software. For example, in another >>> thread, he (very) recently stated wodim does not burn DVDs. The >>> reality is wodim has worked very well for burning a mountain of >>> DVDs for me. >> >> And my trust in your comment is low since that is certianly not what he >> said. >> And if you distrust his software, you had better not use wodim, since it >> is his software -- old and modified with possibly more bugs installed, >> but his software. >> >> "It works for me" is hardly a great endorsement. Many a car driver who >> refuses to wear seatbelts has made that comment. > > That's not what he said? Here's what he said: > > Message-ID: <5c3iamF2ujf2cU1@mid.dfncis.de> > "But wodim does not support DVD writing ..." > > Okay, "writing" vs. "burn" aren't the same word. In this > context, any practical difference between the words rounds is > indistinguishable from zero. > > Where there is a big difference is in comparing a safety device > like seatbelts that are needed very rarely but are very important > when they are needed vs. something like wodim that can be > demonstrated time and time again to have successfully done the > job it was given. I verify every DVD wodim burns for me, and > failures are quite rare. > I still hate wodim or whatever the debian people stole from Mr Jorg's original work :P What's the hell that GPL is? I don't care; I like or indeed respect the CDDL as well. -- Balwinder S 'bdheeman' Dheeman (http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/) "GNU/Linux, developed by volunteers, is much better, but it's not the best as yet. Do you too work on making a difference?"
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