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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-11-08 02:01 -0500 |
| Last post | 2025-11-09 19:08 +0000 |
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Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:01 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:31 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:32 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:08 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:51 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:38 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:50 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:57 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 23:58 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 11:25 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:48 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:29 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 09:18 -0800
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 20:13 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:47 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:09 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:15 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:33 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:23 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 01:03 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:57 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:36 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:50 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:38 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-12 16:38 -0800
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:29 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-13 05:07 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:09 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:42 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:37 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:46 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 05:31 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 06:00 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:08 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:55 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:30 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:56 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:54 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:17 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:38 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:20 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:50 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:18 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:54 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:28 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:25 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:49 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:49 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:31 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:33 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:21 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:13 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 05:40 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:20 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:31 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:39 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 19:48 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:53 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:37 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:51 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:40 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:01 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:33 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:27 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-12 12:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 14:17 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:51 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-13 22:38 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:30 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:10 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:51 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:08 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:40 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 16:26 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:51 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 19:22 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-14 17:34 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:54 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:37 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:09 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:05 +0000
Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 09:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 17:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-15 18:48 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 21:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 22:07 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 23:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:29 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-16 09:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-18 03:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 13:11 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-19 20:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:01 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:35 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:15 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:30 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:39 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:31 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-17 02:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 21:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:11 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 05:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-16 12:15 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:24 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 19:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-18 08:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-18 12:09 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:01 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 10:33 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:49 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 23:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 23:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 00:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-22 03:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 05:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 23:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-18 20:04 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-18 20:29 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 08:24 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 21:14 +0000
ISO 8859-1, ISO 8859-15 and their names (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-21 19:10 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-22 10:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-22 19:20 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-23 02:17 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 14:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 13:09 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 02:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-22 20:18 -0700
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 01:45 +0000
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 18:06 -0800
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:13 +0000
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 02:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:37 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 15:40 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-03 07:39 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:46 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-16 02:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 02:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 17:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-17 10:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:34 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-05 20:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-05 15:57 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 19:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-06 15:13 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-06 22:28 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 01:39 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 06:19 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-06 22:50 -0800
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-07 10:52 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-22 12:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:34 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:41 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-16 07:39 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:57 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:13 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:58 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:48 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-07 00:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-07 19:39 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:27 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:31 -0700
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:46 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:53 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 22:25 -0800
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:48 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:43 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 16:31 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 19:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 12:14 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:46 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:07 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:15 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:30 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 11:52 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 14:25 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:26 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 12:15 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:13 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:19 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 00:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:58 +0000
Greek origins of Christian scriptures [was Re: Recent history of vi] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-09 04:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-12-09 04:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-10 19:34 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-12 16:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-14 04:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:21 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 07:38 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 06:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:07 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-11 20:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:57 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 02:01 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 02:27 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:28 +0100
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:43 -0800
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 09:57 +0100
EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-12 09:53 +0000
Re: EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 11:51 +0100
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:26 +0000
Re: EU Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-13 12:01 +0100
Re: EU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:23 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:59 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 21:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:24 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:47 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:57 +0000
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 13:27 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:05 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:34 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:42 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 18:14 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:55 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 20:05 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 23:15 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:32 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:53 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:06 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:02 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:18 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:03 -0500
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:26 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:29 -0500
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-18 17:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:32 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 10:47 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:01 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:03 +0000
Re: EU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 14:08 -0800
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 22:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:12 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:41 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 07:06 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:21 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:06 +0000
Re: EU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-22 14:41 -0800
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 19:47 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 22:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:32 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:24 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:36 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:27 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:40 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-24 07:02 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:32 +0000
Re: EU Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:04 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:21 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-22 16:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:20 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:39 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:10 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:29 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 20:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:52 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 00:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:07 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 00:04 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 07:43 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:30 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 20:27 +0100
Yes,{, Prime} Minister (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-15 15:44 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 10:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-17 13:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:06 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:18 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:32 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:52 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-05 01:59 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:14 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:35 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:05 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:41 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:02 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:15 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100
ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2025-11-21 12:24 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-19 13:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-23 16:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-25 10:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 23:04 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:10 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-27 20:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:44 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-28 07:54 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:10 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-11-29 13:13 +1300
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-29 15:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-29 12:45 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:37 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 11:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 08:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-13 14:44 +0000
Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:35 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:48 +0000
Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-14 20:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:43 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:40 -0500
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:48 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 21:43 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:45 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:44 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:17 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:55 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:57 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:27 -0500
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 11:56 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:29 +0000
Re: Python mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2025-12-15 12:57 +0000
Re: Python Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-15 22:57 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:31 -0500
Re: Python Greg Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2025-12-16 17:51 +1300
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:32 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:45 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:54 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:11 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 19:17 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:10 -0500
Re: Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-18 03:28 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 23:02 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:54 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-18 04:25 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 19:22 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 01:14 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:44 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 07:40 -0700
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 18:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:28 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 12:52 -0700
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:53 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:37 -0500
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:29 -0500
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:38 +0100
Re: Python Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 16:17 -0500
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:11 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:18 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:07 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:13 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 00:52 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 08:03 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:39 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-18 15:43 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:38 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:56 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:18 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 03:30 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:38 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:01 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:08 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 22:36 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:55 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 11:19 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 12:36 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 23:36 -0500
Re: Python candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-19 13:30 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:50 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:03 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:00 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:16 -0500
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:15 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:14 +0000
Re: Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-21 09:06 -0500
Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-21 18:31 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 21:00 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-22 07:29 +0100
Linux at work in the old days Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-22 07:20 -0500
Re: Linux at work in the old days rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:18 +0000
Re: Linux at work in the old days c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:41 -0500
Re: Linux at work in the old days Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-23 07:26 -0700
Re: Linux at work in the old days Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 20:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-22 21:26 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 00:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:55 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 06:34 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 12:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 20:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 14:21 -0800
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 05:33 -0500
The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:49 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-12-27 15:29 +0100
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:21 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:17 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 04:09 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:22 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:06 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 21:30 -0500
Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-25 22:05 +0000
Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-25 22:20 -0500
Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:02 +0000
Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 02:16 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:40 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:32 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 22:40 +0100
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 23:21 +0000
Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 02:05 +0100
Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-27 18:16 -0800
Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 04:59 +0100
Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-28 08:32 -0800
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:48 +0100
Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 14:14 +0100
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:42 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-28 17:41 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:11 +0100
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-28 22:06 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 23:30 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:23 -0500
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 02:52 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:00 +0000
Re: Python candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-23 16:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 20:30 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 21:14 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 20:57 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:09 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:37 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-20 10:34 +0000
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 11:45 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:36 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:37 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:16 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:45 -0500
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:55 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:39 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:53 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 02:05 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-19 13:30 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-19 20:58 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:48 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:12 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 05:25 -0500
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:22 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 22:28 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:39 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2025-12-15 19:46 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 18:33 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-12-01 11:09 +1300
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 12:29 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-12-01 11:18 +1300
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-01 01:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-11-30 13:29 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Anthk NM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2025-11-23 12:48 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-23 17:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:11 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:44 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-15 19:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:50 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 18:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:24 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 16:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-17 19:39 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:24 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:41 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:00 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:56 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:25 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 23:40 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:05 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:48 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:53 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:45 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:29 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 10:22 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-14 10:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:55 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:47 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:36 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:04 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:57 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:13 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:50 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 21:01 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:40 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:14 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:21 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:21 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:43 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 01:40 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:48 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:53 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-11 11:42 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:25 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:21 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:56 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:38 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:43 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:43 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:50 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:11 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:24 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-12 16:22 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:59 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 23:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) |
| Message-ID | <10hnheo$1geq0$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78273 |
On Thu, 4 Dec 2025 07:00:08 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: > It's pretty much never about "visual effects" although there are > semantic differences to some visually similar characters. Math is a big > offender in wanting ℤ meaning something different than Z or 𝐙. But you > could argue that Japanese style "fullwidth" Ｚ is a visual effect. One of the key goals of Unicode was to be backward-compatible with all the different national standard encodings. This meant carrying over equivalents of all their historical quirks. That was the price paid to make it easy for all the masses of existing text documents in all the existing encodings to be converted to Unicode en masse.
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| From | Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 10:52 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10holpf$o38$2@news.misty.com> |
| In reply to | #78273 |
On 2025-12-04 08:00, Eli the Bearded wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote: >> I know that Unicode is here to stay. Said as much before. But it has >> introduced a whole range of problems that people tend to pretend don't >> exist. The most immediate one coming to my mind are all kind of scammers >> creating fake domains to phish stuff. Using known, trusted company >> names, but letters replaced by things that look visually equivalent, but >> actually are other characters, and then through those domains fool >> people to give information, such as passwords, account numbers, money, >> and god knows what else. > > As opposed to scammers posting as J0HNNY BILLQUIST, or Johnny Bi11quist, > or JOHNNY BILLQUlST in ordinary ASCII. More alphabets compound the > problem, sure, but it was always there. Oh definitely not new. But Unicode made the problem much worse than it ever was before. >> A big part of the problem is that Unicode don't even seem to have known >> what problem is was supposed to solve. Was it about representing >> different characters that have different meanings? Was it about >> representing same characters but with different visual effects? Was it >> supposed to be some kind of generic system to modify characters through >> some clever system design? > > It's pretty much never about "visual effects" although there are semantic > differences to some visually similar characters. Math is a big offender > in wanting ℤ meaning something different than Z or 𝐙. But you could argue > that Japanese style "fullwidth" Ｚ is a visual effect. Yes. So now we come to the "offenders". It's still Unicode. So what did it try to solve? Representation or presentation? And how about U+1F4D7 (Green book). Clearly the only difference from U+1F4D8 (Blue book) is about the visual effect. It's a book. There are clearly way more colors than green, blue and orange. But those are the only ones in Unicode. Similar story with hearts for example. Why define for some colors? Let the color handling be done in rendering, and allow it to go crazy with colors if it want to. There is no need, or point, in having some characters defined as a specific color. What happens if I then do a text in all red, and include a blue book? Should it be red or blue? I could go on about even more crazy things, but I'll leave that here. Unicode is just a mess. > I would say the problem Unicode is trying to solve, albeit with some > inconsistency, is the communication of all written languages in a > standardized system of encoding. There are huge problems in that many > written languages have implicit presentation rules based on context. The > fullwidth Roman alphaphet, for example, is there because English letters > in Japanese text are supposed to be the same size to fit the grid of the > surrounding material. How about that not being a part of defining the meaning of a character, but the visual representation? But, as you say, Unicode is inconsistent. Which is why one really have to ask what problem was Unicode trying to solve? > At different stages Unicode has solved this problem in different ways. > More recently there has been a trend towards encoding things with > combining characters (backspace overstrike style in the old manual > typewriter days) and with ligatures of a sort. Flags being represented > as a pair of "regional indicator" letters, where the letters are the > same country codes used in DNS, is an example of that. Right. Which then leads to another set of confusing letters. Diacritical marks are defined in many cases both as their own code points, but also exists as modifiers to codepoints, leading to the same visual appearance being possible to code in multiple ways, and even be combined to even more comical effect. How many sets of umlauts would like with that 'A'? Johnny
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-05 01:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10gte9a$2cpi$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #78227 |
According to Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se>: >A big part of the problem is that Unicode don't even seem to have known >what problem is was supposed to solve. Was it about representing >different characters that have different meanings? Was it about >representing same characters but with different visual effects? Was it >supposed to be some kind of generic system to modify characters through >some clever system design? Nope. Unicode is a typesetting language. Its goal is to represent every written language that people use, and it does that quite well. When you're setting type, the goal is to make the result look correct, and you do not care how you do that. For example, I am old enough to remember manual typewriters that only had the digits 2 through 9, because you used lower case "l" and capital "O" for digits 1 and O. That was fine, on those typewriters they looked the same. The problem is that we want to represent identifiers in a unique way, which both means that there is only one way to represent a particular identifier, and that there aren't two representations that look the same. It shouldn't be surprising that Unicode doesn't do either of those, so we have been coming up with kludges for the past decade to try and fake it. The reason we use Unicode is that while it sucks for identifiers, all of the alternatives are even worse. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-05 10:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10guba1$1798l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78308 |
On 2025-12-05, John Levine wrote: > According to Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se>: >>A big part of the problem is that Unicode don't even seem to have known >>what problem is was supposed to solve. Was it about representing >>different characters that have different meanings? Was it about >>representing same characters but with different visual effects? Was it >>supposed to be some kind of generic system to modify characters through >>some clever system design? > > > Nope. > > Unicode is a typesetting language. Its goal is to represent every written > language that people use, and it does that quite well. When you're setting type, > the goal is to make the result look correct, and you do not care how you do > that. For example, I am old enough to remember manual typewriters that only had > the digits 2 through 9, because you used lower case "l" and capital "O" for digits > 1 and O. That was fine, on those typewriters they looked the same. > > The problem is that we want to represent identifiers in a unique way, which both > means that there is only one way to represent a particular identifier, and that > there aren't two representations that look the same. It shouldn't be surprising > that Unicode doesn't do either of those, so we have been coming up with kludges > for the past decade to try and fake it. > > The reason we use Unicode is that while it sucks for identifiers, all of the > alternatives are even worse. It also at least provides a way to get the meaning of glyphs even when the font can't show them or the display encoding can't carry them. Meaning one could in theory have software that'd replace unreadable emojis by their text representation. Especially good ol' "no 18" :-P I mean, I could e.g. do M-x describe-char on '±' and it tells me PLUS-MINUS SIGN / PLUS-OR-MINUS SIGN. Not a big problem here as it's readable and can be easily translated/transliterated as "+-", but it's probably a much bigger advantage for other glyphs. I do prefer more legible displays like :-) and :-( and so on, but I can see value in having a glyph that specifically says it's that. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-05 10:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <wwvy0nh43oj.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #78308 |
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: > According to Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se>: >> A big part of the problem is that Unicode don't even seem to have >> known what problem is was supposed to solve. Was it about >> representing different characters that have different meanings? Was >> it about representing same characters but with different visual >> effects? Was it supposed to be some kind of generic system to modify >> characters through some clever system design? The introduction to the standard covers the design goals. > Nope. > > Unicode is a typesetting language. Its goal is to represent every > written language that people use, and it does that quite well. When > you're setting type, the goal is to make the result look correct, and > you do not care how you do that. For example, I am old enough to > remember manual typewriters that only had the digits 2 through 9, > because you used lower case "l" and capital "O" for digits 1 and O. > That was fine, on those typewriters they looked the same. I don’t fully agree with the interpretation of it as a typesetting standard; it explicitly disclaims any concern over visual representation and confines itself to interpretation of characters. The typewriter analogy is certainly relevant though: Unicode distinguishes capital O from digit 0 very clearly, whether or not your chosen font does the same. > The problem is that we want to represent identifiers in a unique way, > which both means that there is only one way to represent a particular > identifier, and that there aren't two representations that look the > same. It shouldn't be surprising that Unicode doesn't do either of > those, so we have been coming up with kludges for the past decade to > try and fake it. > > The reason we use Unicode is that while it sucks for identifiers, all > of the alternatives are even worse. Agreed. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-05 12:05 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <gsqa0mxuoc.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78308 |
On 2025-12-05 02:59, John Levine wrote: > Unicode is a typesetting language. Its goal is to represent every written > language that people use, and it does that quite well. When you're setting type, > the goal is to make the result look correct, and you do not care how you do > that. For example, I am old enough to remember manual typewriters that only had > the digits 2 through 9, because you used lower case "l" and capital "O" for digits > 1 and O. That was fine, on those typewriters they looked the same. You could type 0[backspace]/. Did not occur to me at the time, but most of what I typed was text, not math works for school. The numbers were distinguished from context, except when they weren't. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-12-06 16:41 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <87a4zvbot6.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #78308 |
On Fr 05 Dez 2025 at 01:59, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > According to Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se>: >>A big part of the problem is that Unicode don't even seem to have known >>what problem is was supposed to solve. Was it about representing >>different characters that have different meanings? Was it about >>representing same characters but with different visual effects? Was it >>supposed to be some kind of generic system to modify characters through >>some clever system design? > > Nope. > > Unicode is a typesetting language. Nope. It has nothing to do about typesetting, it is about representing the basic entities used for writing in different languages, that is characters, syllables or words. Think of euroean lanfuafes, korean or japanese. > Its goal is to represent every written > language that people use, and it does that quite well. That is correct. 'Andreas -- ceterum censeo redmondinem esse delendam
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <slrn10je6gt.1sivk.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> |
| In reply to | #78308 |
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote at 01:59 this Friday (GMT): > According to Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se>: >>A big part of the problem is that Unicode don't even seem to have known >>what problem is was supposed to solve. Was it about representing >>different characters that have different meanings? Was it about >>representing same characters but with different visual effects? Was it >>supposed to be some kind of generic system to modify characters through >>some clever system design? > > Nope. > > Unicode is a typesetting language. Its goal is to represent every written > language that people use, and it does that quite well. When you're setting type, > the goal is to make the result look correct, and you do not care how you do > that. For example, I am old enough to remember manual typewriters that only had > the digits 2 through 9, because you used lower case "l" and capital "O" for digits > 1 and O. That was fine, on those typewriters they looked the same. > > The problem is that we want to represent identifiers in a unique way, which both > means that there is only one way to represent a particular identifier, and that > there aren't two representations that look the same. It shouldn't be surprising > that Unicode doesn't do either of those, so we have been coming up with kludges > for the past decade to try and fake it. > > The reason we use Unicode is that while it sucks for identifiers, all of the > alternatives are even worse. The composition compares are a fair compromise, IMO. -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <t9f9vlxbpu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77809 |
On 2025-11-22 17:55, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2025-11-18 21:29, Eli the Bearded wrote: >> In comp.os.linux.misc, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote: >>> On 2025-11-16 21:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> Without UTF-8, you could not have “€” or “©” or “±” or those curly >>>> quotes. >>> Of course you could. >>> They exist just fine in Latin-1 (hmm, maybe not the quotes...). >> >> The Latin-1 I know does not have a Euro symbol. It does have the generic >> currency placeholder at 0xA5: ¤ > > Yeah. Sorry. That came in 8859-15. > >> Elijah >> ------ >> likes utf-8 better than iso-8859-$WHATEVER > That don't even make sense. UTF-8 is just a way to encode large integers > in a variable sequence of 8-bit bytes. > Which of course makes it a mess to figure out how long a string actually > is. > But I guess what you actually mean is that you like Unicode better than > 8859-whatever. > I couldn't disagree more. Endless ways to represent the exact same > character, and weird things like sometimes having a separate codepoint > for units or prefixes, but sometimes using normal ASCII for them, and > then you have sometimes different codepoints because of colors, but > sometimes not. > It's a trainwreck, but now we're stuck with it. :( Encode large integers? No. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8> UTF-8 UTF-8 is a character encoding standard used for electronic communication. Defined by the Unicode Standard, the name is derived from Unicode Transformation Format – 8-bit.[1] As of July 2025, almost every webpage is transmitted as UTF-8.[2] UTF-8 supports all 1,112,064[3] valid Unicode code points using a variable-width encoding of one to four one-byte (8-bit) code units. Code points with lower numerical values, which tend to occur more frequently, are encoded using fewer bytes. It was designed for backward compatibility with ASCII: the first 128 characters of Unicode, which correspond one-to-one with ASCII, are encoded using a single byte with the same binary value as ASCII, so that a UTF-8-encoded file using only those characters is identical to an ASCII file. Most software designed for any extended ASCII can read and write UTF-8, and this results in fewer internationalization issues than any alternative text encoding.[4][5] UTF-8 is dominant for all countries/languages on the internet, is used in most standards, often the only allowed encoding, and is supported by all modern operating systems and programming languages. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> |
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| Date | 2025-11-27 20:02 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10ga781$7ph$2@news.misty.com> |
| In reply to | #77815 |
On 2025-11-22 20:25, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-22 17:55, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> On 2025-11-18 21:29, Eli the Bearded wrote: >>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote: >>>> On 2025-11-16 21:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> Without UTF-8, you could not have “€” or “©” or “±” or those curly >>>>> quotes. >>>> Of course you could. >>>> They exist just fine in Latin-1 (hmm, maybe not the quotes...). >>> >>> The Latin-1 I know does not have a Euro symbol. It does have the generic >>> currency placeholder at 0xA5: ¤ >> >> Yeah. Sorry. That came in 8859-15. >> >>> Elijah >>> ------ >>> likes utf-8 better than iso-8859-$WHATEVER >> That don't even make sense. UTF-8 is just a way to encode large >> integers in a variable sequence of 8-bit bytes. >> Which of course makes it a mess to figure out how long a string >> actually is. >> But I guess what you actually mean is that you like Unicode better >> than 8859-whatever. >> I couldn't disagree more. Endless ways to represent the exact same >> character, and weird things like sometimes having a separate codepoint >> for units or prefixes, but sometimes using normal ASCII for them, and >> then you have sometimes different codepoints because of colors, but >> sometimes not. >> It's a trainwreck, but now we're stuck with it. :( > > Encode large integers? No. Ok. Call it "encode Unicode" then if that makes you happier. And Unicode codepoints can be described as integers (in fact, they are, which is why you see U+nnnn, where nnnn is a hex value, for codepoints), and have a range of roughly 2^22. UTF-8 isn't defining any characters, just defining a way to represent Unicode characters using a variable number of 8-bit bytes. Johnny
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-27 20:16 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <vlkmvlx1cj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77963 |
On 2025-11-27 20:02, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2025-11-22 20:25, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-11-22 17:55, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> On 2025-11-18 21:29, Eli the Bearded wrote: >>>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote: >>>>> On 2025-11-16 21:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>> Without UTF-8, you could not have “€” or “©” or “±” or those curly >>>>>> quotes. >>>>> Of course you could. >>>>> They exist just fine in Latin-1 (hmm, maybe not the quotes...). >>>> >>>> The Latin-1 I know does not have a Euro symbol. It does have the >>>> generic >>>> currency placeholder at 0xA5: ¤ >>> >>> Yeah. Sorry. That came in 8859-15. >>> >>>> Elijah >>>> ------ >>>> likes utf-8 better than iso-8859-$WHATEVER >>> That don't even make sense. UTF-8 is just a way to encode large >>> integers in a variable sequence of 8-bit bytes. >>> Which of course makes it a mess to figure out how long a string >>> actually is. >>> But I guess what you actually mean is that you like Unicode better >>> than 8859-whatever. >>> I couldn't disagree more. Endless ways to represent the exact same >>> character, and weird things like sometimes having a separate >>> codepoint for units or prefixes, but sometimes using normal ASCII for >>> them, and then you have sometimes different codepoints because of >>> colors, but sometimes not. >>> It's a trainwreck, but now we're stuck with it. :( >> >> Encode large integers? No. > > Ok. Call it "encode Unicode" then if that makes you happier. And Unicode > codepoints can be described as integers (in fact, they are, which is why > you see U+nnnn, where nnnn is a hex value, for codepoints), and have a > range of roughly 2^22. > > UTF-8 isn't defining any characters, just defining a way to represent > Unicode characters using a variable number of 8-bit bytes. And 8 bit ascii letters are also numbers representing characters. That's how computers work. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-27 21:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10gaf7v$1pna2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77968 |
On Thu, 27 Nov 2025 20:16:47 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > And 8 bit ascii letters are also numbers representing characters. That's > how computers work. Everything that computers deal with is a number. Think of a computer program as a very large integer. There’s even a name for this: the Gödel number.
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| From | Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> |
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| Date | 2025-12-03 13:38 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10gpb0a$jpt$4@news.misty.com> |
| In reply to | #77968 |
On 2025-11-27 20:16, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-27 20:02, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> On 2025-11-22 20:25, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-11-22 17:55, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>>> On 2025-11-18 21:29, Eli the Bearded wrote: >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-11-16 21:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>>> Without UTF-8, you could not have “€” or “©” or “±” or those >>>>>>> curly quotes. >>>>>> Of course you could. >>>>>> They exist just fine in Latin-1 (hmm, maybe not the quotes...). >>>>> >>>>> The Latin-1 I know does not have a Euro symbol. It does have the >>>>> generic >>>>> currency placeholder at 0xA5: ¤ >>>> >>>> Yeah. Sorry. That came in 8859-15. >>>> >>>>> Elijah >>>>> ------ >>>>> likes utf-8 better than iso-8859-$WHATEVER >>>> That don't even make sense. UTF-8 is just a way to encode large >>>> integers in a variable sequence of 8-bit bytes. >>>> Which of course makes it a mess to figure out how long a string >>>> actually is. >>>> But I guess what you actually mean is that you like Unicode better >>>> than 8859-whatever. >>>> I couldn't disagree more. Endless ways to represent the exact same >>>> character, and weird things like sometimes having a separate >>>> codepoint for units or prefixes, but sometimes using normal ASCII >>>> for them, and then you have sometimes different codepoints because >>>> of colors, but sometimes not. >>>> It's a trainwreck, but now we're stuck with it. :( >>> >>> Encode large integers? No. >> >> Ok. Call it "encode Unicode" then if that makes you happier. And >> Unicode codepoints can be described as integers (in fact, they are, >> which is why you see U+nnnn, where nnnn is a hex value, for >> codepoints), and have a range of roughly 2^22. >> >> UTF-8 isn't defining any characters, just defining a way to represent >> Unicode characters using a variable number of 8-bit bytes. > > And 8 bit ascii letters are also numbers representing characters. That's > how computers work. Right. So both ASCII and Unicode use numbers to represent characters. Note that UTF-8 didn't get mentioned in that sentence. Johnny
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| From | Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-04 07:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <eli$2512040201@qaz.wtf> |
| In reply to | #78228 |
In comp.os.linux.misc, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote: > On 2025-11-27 20:16, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> And 8 bit ascii letters are also numbers representing characters. That's >> how computers work. Not all computers are 8-bit. > Right. So both ASCII and Unicode use numbers to represent characters. > Note that UTF-8 didn't get mentioned in that sentence. What is your point? Touch-tone phones and rotary (pulse) dialing use electrical signals to represent numbers. Most-significan-bit computers and least-significan-bit wire communication of ASCII or EBCDIC or UTF-16 all encode the letter capital A differently. (Are there parity bits? Stop bits? More variables!) You'll want to know both which characters are being represented and which encoding has been used to make sense of a message. (And figuring out cryptoanalist style is fine, but you are still figuring out the set and the encoding to do so.) Unicode is a set of numbered characters. UTF-8 or UTF-16 or ... is an encoding for those numbers. Elijah ------ .- ... -.-. .. .. ...-.-
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <akjvulxcnk.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77727 |
On 2025-11-18 20:04, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2025-11-16 21:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On 16 Nov 2025 20:19:12 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> >>> Lack of utf-8 would be an issue for some things, but mostly not. >> >> Without UTF-8, you could not have “€” or “©” or “±” or those curly >> quotes. > Of course you could. > They exist just fine in Latin-1 (hmm, maybe not the quotes...). But with the transmission you have to transmit first what charset you are going to use, and then you are limited by it, and the recipient must have the same map, and be able to use it. Perhaps he has to use his own map instead. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> |
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| Date | 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100 |
| Subject | ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) |
| Message-ID | <AABpHczoTjwAAAKA.A3.flnews@WStation5.stz-e.de> |
| In reply to | #77739 |
Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-11-18 20:04, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> > On 2025-11-16 21:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> > > On 16 Nov 2025 20:19:12 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Lack of utf-8 would be an issue for some things, but mostly not.
> > >
> > > Without UTF-8, you could not have “€” or “©” or “±” or those curly
> > > quotes.
> >
> > Of course you could.
> > They exist just fine in Latin-1 (hmm, maybe not the quotes...).
As noted by others in this thread, “€” is not available with it.
> But with the transmission you have to transmit first what charset you
> are going to use, and then you are limited by it, and the recipient must
> have the same map, and be able to use it. Perhaps he has to use his own
> map instead.
ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") is a special case. No mapping table is required
for conversion to Unicode, because all ISO 8859-1 codepoints have 1:1
mappings to Unicode codepoints. This means any UTF can be directly
applied to ISO 8859-1 codepoints.
This means, for the characters from this thread, it is sufficient to
look at their Unicode codepoints:
+-----------+-------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Character | Unicode codepoint | ISO 8859-1 codepoint (hexadecimal) |
+-----------+-------------------+-------------------------------------+
| € | U+20AC | [not available] |
| © | U+00A9 | A9 |
| ± | U+00B1 | B1 |
+-----------+-------------------+-------------------------------------+
Any Unicode codepoint up to U+00FF is also present in ISO 8859-1 [1],
or the C0 and C1 control characters [2], with the same value.
The MIME declaration "ISO-8859-1" includes CO and C1 control characters.
______________
[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-1>
[2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C0_and_C1_control_codes>
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| From | Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) |
| Message-ID | <eli$2511192048@qaz.wtf> |
| In reply to | #77742 |
In comp.os.linux.misc, Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@gmx.net> wrote:
> ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") is a special case. No mapping table is required
> for conversion to Unicode, because all ISO 8859-1 codepoints have 1:1
> mappings to Unicode codepoints. This means any UTF can be directly
> applied to ISO 8859-1 codepoints.
...
> The MIME declaration "ISO-8859-1" includes CO and C1 control characters.
Be technical. The MIME charset ISO-8859-1 includes the CO and C1
control characters and has all of its characters at the same codepoints
as Unicode but the character encoding is different from all Unicode
character encodings.
"charset" is a very specific term from MIME and it conflates character
set with character encoding. In a world were all characters fit in
eight bits, that's a very easy mistake to make, but since the MIME
designers were aware of (and specifically working to accomodate) worlds
where 8-bit encodings might not be used, that's was a poor choice.
charset="utf-8" is an encoding using variable lengths for all of the
codepoints in the Unicode character set. In UTF-8, codepoints that
are under 128 are encoded in a single octet with the highbit unset. All
codepoints over 127 are encoded in multiple octets all with the highbit
set.
charset="utf-7" is an encoding using variable lengths for many of the
codepoints in the Unicode character set. In UTF-7 some characters are
left as is, some characters (those above codepoint 65535) cannot be
represented, and many characters are multibyte sequences. But
critically, none of the bytes have the highbit set.
charset="utf-ebcdic" is an encoding using variable lengths for all of
the codepoints in the Unicode character set. In UTF-EBCDIC an encoding
very similar to UTF-8 encodes Unicode codepoints five bits at a time
into EBCDIC. Codepoints that are under 160 are encoded in a single octet
and codepoints above 159 are encoded in multiple octets all with the
highbit set. Only the C1 control chacters are native highbit set EBCDIC.
Elijah
------
here is the map to the map you want
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") |
| Message-ID | <10fm16q$2meol$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77749 |
On 11/19/25 19:09, Eli the Bearded wrote: > > charset="utf-ebcdic" is an encoding using variable lengths for all of > the codepoints in the Unicode character set. In UTF-EBCDIC an encoding > very similar to UTF-8 encodes Unicode codepoints five bits at a time > into EBCDIC. Codepoints that are under 160 are encoded in a single octet > and codepoints above 159 are encoded in multiple octets all with the > highbit set. Only the C1 control chacters are native highbit set EBCDIC. > That sounds like a particularly bad choice. above 159 includes lowercase s-z, all uppercase, and all numerics. Under 160 are only lowercase a-r and specials. Personally I'd have chosen 128 and above as single bytes, possibly biased (i.e all alphabetics and numerics), and 0-127 as multiple bytes (special characters).
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") |
| Message-ID | <wwvjyzl9jl2.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #77750 |
Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> writes: > On 11/19/25 19:09, Eli the Bearded wrote: >> charset="utf-ebcdic" is an encoding using variable lengths for all of >> the codepoints in the Unicode character set. In UTF-EBCDIC an >> encoding very similar to UTF-8 encodes Unicode codepoints five bits >> at a time into EBCDIC. Codepoints that are under 160 are encoded in a >> single octet and codepoints above 159 are encoded in multiple octets >> all with the highbit set. Only the C1 control chacters are native >> highbit set EBCDIC. > > That sounds like a particularly bad choice. above 159 includes > lowercase s-z, all uppercase, and all numerics. Under 160 are only > lowercase a-r and specials. Personally I'd have chosen 128 and above > as single bytes, possibly biased (i.e all alphabetics and numerics), > and 0-127 as multiple bytes (special characters). There are no good choices involving ECBDIC. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") |
| Message-ID | <10fmsv5$2sgqg$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77751 |
On 20/11/2025 08:47, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > There are no good choices involving ECBDIC. > ROFLMAO.... -- "An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out only in others...” Tom Wolfe
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