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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-10-10 01:30 -0400 |
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Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 01:30 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-10-10 08:20 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 11:03 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 11:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:09 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:53 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 17:50 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:30 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:56 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 09:29 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 03:34 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 13:06 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:17 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:42 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 23:02 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:42 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 18:48 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 23:08 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security apapmurray <apap.murray@mail.com> - 2025-10-11 14:26 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:07 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-13 12:47 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 16:34 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-13 17:41 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 19:07 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:22 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:44 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:40 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-15 01:25 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 22:57 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:13 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:55 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 05:40 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-18 03:12 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:16 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-18 21:54 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:32 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:52 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 02:25 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:47 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 22:58 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:52 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:31 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:57 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:12 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 23:57 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:06 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 21:45 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 03:22 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:30 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:05 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:35 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:04 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:16 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:19 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:39 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 15:27 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 22:42 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:42 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:24 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:34 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:06 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:04 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 19:33 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 01:40 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:03 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:31 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:28 +0100
Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:12 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:16 -0400
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 14:03 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 22:50 +0100
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 00:18 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 01:57 +0000
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:14 +0000
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:18 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:10 -0400
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 04:57 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:27 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:18 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:03 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:23 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:10 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 19:34 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:24 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:11 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:54 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:17 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 17:30 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:16 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:32 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:55 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:19 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:29 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:48 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:41 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 05:29 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-18 02:45 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:53 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:38 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-18 17:39 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-18 18:50 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:26 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:37 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:52 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 12:02 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:31 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-18 18:51 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:23 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:31 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:50 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:40 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:33 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 19:10 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 01:10 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:02 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 18:55 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 12:30 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:31 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:37 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 13:54 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:46 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 23:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 00:13 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 04:44 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:49 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:35 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:35 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:50 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 15:01 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:50 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:43 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 18:56 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:32 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:11 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:17 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:58 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 22:22 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 04:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:36 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:06 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:56 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 02:45 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:09 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:13 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:38 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:49 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 23:20 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:37 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:53 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:47 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:35 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:49 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 01:59 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:28 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:19 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 22:07 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-17 17:57 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:44 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:39 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:52 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:02 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:50 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 11:45 -0700
Recursion and Fibonnaci (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 23:26 +0100
Re: Recursion and Fibonnaci Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 00:13 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:13 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:18 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 10:31 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:08 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:46 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 04:46 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:13 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:07 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:11 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 18:50 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:13 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:14 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:23 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:21 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:39 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:15 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:12 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-16 18:43 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:08 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 18:31 +0000
Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:27 +0100
Re: Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 04:40 +0000
Re: Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:29 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:41 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:33 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:31 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:17 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:54 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:41 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:42 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:04 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 08:39 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:17 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:36 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 06:57 +0000
OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 10:13 +0100
Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 17:42 +0100
Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:47 -0700
Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:43 +0000
GOTO (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 23:48 +0100
Re: GOTO (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:30 +0000
Re: GOTO c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:19 -0400
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:31 +0100
Re: GOTO Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 08:21 +0100
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:34 +0100
Re: GOTO c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:57 -0400
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:29 +0100
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:21 +0100
Re: GOTO Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:42 +0100
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 13:02 +0100
Re: GOTO rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:08 +0000
Re: GOTO Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:20 +0100
Re: GOTO rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:53 +0000
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:16 +0100
Re: GOTO Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 15:21 +0100
Re: GOTO Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:25 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:58 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:09 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:37 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-14 23:41 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 00:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-15 04:32 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:29 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:23 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:38 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:04 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:30 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-16 21:53 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:48 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-17 12:56 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-17 08:22 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:26 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:22 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 08:11 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 06:53 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 08:56 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 03:04 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 03:03 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:08 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:37 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 12:39 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 15:31 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 10:25 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:34 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 12:40 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 18:11 +0100
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-19 14:03 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <gl0fslx2t7.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76352 |
On 2025-10-19 10:16, c186282 wrote: > On 10/18/25 14:12, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-18 04:55, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/17/25 12:13, Rich wrote: >>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>>>> On 10/14/25 21:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:31:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2025-10-14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anybody who buys a book with “philosophy” in the title ... probably >>>>>>>> shouldn’t be allowed to manage a software project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ironically, an elective course on logic that I took in university >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> labeled "Philosophy 302". >>>>>>> That's where I learned about things like De Morgan's theorem, which >>>>>>> comes in quite handy for programming. >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn’t think philosphers believed in logic ... ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> I found an explanation of De Morgan’s Theorem in a book on computing >>>>>> hardware, I think it was. Hard to believe you can find people who >>>>>> write >>>>>> software, who don’t understand it. I remember on the Python group >>>>>> some >>>>>> years ago getting into an argument with someone who didn’t seem to >>>>>> appreciate that the opposite of >>>>>> >>>>>> a = b ∨ a = c >>>>>> >>>>>> was not >>>>>> >>>>>> a ≠ b ∨ a ≠ c >>>>>> >>>>>> but >>>>>> >>>>>> a ≠ b ∧ a ≠ c >>>>> >>>>> Never even heard of DeMorgan >>>> >>>> The basics underlying boolean logic: >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Morgan%27s_laws >>> >>> Never heard of him until now. Figured out the >>> relevant boolean/logic rules on the fly while >>> writing my programs. >> >> I think I heard of those, in Digital Electronics. But the '∨' and '∧' >> symbols confuse me. >> >> I have forgotten how we would draw the tables of truth, and then do >> simplifications fast. >> >> Long time no see. > > I suppose it's "relevant" - but I just never found > a need to go more "formal" on it. If you knew those rules, reduction to the minimal gates was faster. But as I never had to design such things, I have forgotten them. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-19 22:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <10d3mf7$2pfqq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76321 |
On 2025-10-18, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-18 04:55, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/17/25 12:13, Rich wrote:
>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
[...]
>>>> Never even heard of DeMorgan
>>>
>>> The basics underlying boolean logic:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Morgan%27s_laws
>>
>> Never heard of him until now. Figured out the
>> relevant boolean/logic rules on the fly while
>> writing my programs.
>
> I think I heard of those, in Digital Electronics. But the '∨' and '∧'
> symbols confuse me.
>
> I have forgotten how we would draw the tables of truth, and then do
> simplifications fast.
>
> Long time no see.
Karnaugh maps? I remember these (as in I remember they'd allow
simplification, and I remember using these, but I didn't recall the
*name*, and had to go check links in another wiki article):
https://enwp.org/Karnaugh_map
--
Nuno Silva
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 00:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <an4gslxn2d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76391 |
On 2025-10-19 23:50, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-10-18, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-18 04:55, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/17/25 12:13, Rich wrote: >>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > [...] >>>>> Never even heard of DeMorgan >>>> >>>> The basics underlying boolean logic: >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Morgan%27s_laws >>> >>> Never heard of him until now. Figured out the >>> relevant boolean/logic rules on the fly while >>> writing my programs. >> >> I think I heard of those, in Digital Electronics. But the '∨' and '∧' >> symbols confuse me. >> >> I have forgotten how we would draw the tables of truth, and then do >> simplifications fast. >> >> Long time no see. > > Karnaugh maps? I YES! That was the name, I had forgotten. > remember these (as in I remember they'd allow > simplification, and I remember using these, but I didn't recall the > *name*, and had to go check links in another wiki article): > > https://enwp.org/Karnaugh_map > On a torus! I've never seen that before. I suppose it makes sense. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 01:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <10d44to$2tfd6$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76392 |
On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 00:18:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> Karnaugh maps? > > YES! That was the name, I had forgotten. Nothing to do with the Carnot Cycle, even though I believe they are both pronounced the same. Lawrence did University courses involving both
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 05:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <mlluoqF8pfpU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76394 |
On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 01:57:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 00:18:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >>> Karnaugh maps? >> >> YES! That was the name, I had forgotten. > > Nothing to do with the Carnot Cycle, even though I believe they are both > pronounced the same. > > Lawrence did University courses involving both Ah, pronunciation. My attendance in the diff-e course was spotty but during one of my appearances the TA was talking about Lobetal's Rule. I had a hell of a time finding that in the index. At least in American English 'Karnaugh' is not the same as 'Carnot'.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 10:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <qr7hslxmvj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76394 |
On 2025-10-20 03:57, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 00:18:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >>> Karnaugh maps? >> >> YES! That was the name, I had forgotten. > > Nothing to do with the Carnot Cycle, even though I believe they are both > pronounced the same. Ah! I did not have that problem, as we pronounced them in Spanish :-P :-D Or some times in Spanish trying to aproximate English and failing. > > Lawrence > did University courses involving both I think I saw Carnot in high school. Not in depth. Maybe. Or in 1st course physics in uni. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 02:10 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <unGdnYr3CaehT2j1nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76392 |
On 10/19/25 18:18, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-19 23:50, Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2025-10-18, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-10-18 04:55, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 10/17/25 12:13, Rich wrote: >>>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> [...] >>>>>> Never even heard of DeMorgan >>>>> >>>>> The basics underlying boolean logic: >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Morgan%27s_laws >>>> >>>> Never heard of him until now. Figured out the >>>> relevant boolean/logic rules on the fly while >>>> writing my programs. >>> >>> I think I heard of those, in Digital Electronics. But the '∨' and '∧' >>> symbols confuse me. >>> >>> I have forgotten how we would draw the tables of truth, and then do >>> simplifications fast. >>> >>> Long time no see. >> >> Karnaugh maps? I > > YES! That was the name, I had forgotten. While we should be grateful for the "theoretical analysis" MOST of us just totally SKIPPED that. We worked out the AND/OR/NOR/XOR/NAND/NOR rules for ourselves with a little experimentation and put that into our programs. No "theory" - just "what worked". Took a few minutes. There have been a number of sub-threads here suggesting that theory preceded design - but until VERY recently it wasn't true. Practical people fucked-around with materials on a hunch until Something Cool happened. The theoretical characterization came LATER. However with "2-D" and 'quantum' electronic devices ... well ... that has all changed to a fair degree. Kind of too bad ... cuts out maybe 90% of new inventors - the math is Just TOO. Of course even THAT will run out soon ... then what ? Moore WILL have his revenge. Computing tech really HAS come up against what really looks to be its final barrier. Parallelization is great but doesn't work well for everything. So what we've got - or will soon have - we have to figure out how to leverage it to the max because there's no more speed beyond that. Vast creativity will be required. Not sure "AI" can deliver that. And WHEN we reach the peak ... well, it will be "pretty good", but may not take us into The Future. The universe ISN'T ABOUT US - not in the least interested in what tricks we want to do.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <RNuJQ.503656$p8E9.255241@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #76405 |
On 2025-10-20, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Moore WILL have his revenge. Computing tech > really HAS come up against what really looks > to be its final barrier. Parallelization > is great but doesn't work well for everything. > > So what we've got - or will soon have - we > have to figure out how to leverage it to > the max because there's no more speed > beyond that. Vast creativity will be > required. Not sure "AI" can deliver that. > > And WHEN we reach the peak ... well, it > will be "pretty good", but may not take > us into The Future. Maybe then the KISS principle will be re-discovered - over the dead bodies of the hordes of bureaucrats and other parasites who use gratuitous complexity to justify their existence. That might get us a little farther along the road toward the Malthusian crash. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-20 04:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] |
| Message-ID | <mlltptF8pfpU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76391 |
On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 22:50:31 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > Karnaugh maps? I remember these (as in I remember they'd allow > simplification, and I remember using these, but I didn't recall the > *name*, and had to go check links in another wiki article): > > https://enwp.org/Karnaugh_map Thank you! Either I repress very well or I was having an extended senior moment and couldn't remember the name either. I used them a couple of times mostly to say I did it.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 05:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ml8pleFpjuU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76155 |
On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 01:25:04 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:31:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2025-10-14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Anybody who buys a book with “philosophy” in the title ... probably >>> shouldn’t be allowed to manage a software project. >> >> Ironically, an elective course on logic that I took in university was >> labeled "Philosophy 302". >> That's where I learned about things like De Morgan's theorem, which >> comes in quite handy for programming. > > I didn’t think philosphers believed in logic ... ;) > > I found an explanation of De Morgan’s Theorem in a book on computing > hardware, I think it was. Hard to believe you can find people who write > software, who don’t understand it. I remember on the Python group some > years ago getting into an argument with someone who didn’t seem to > appreciate that the opposite of > > a = b ∨ a = c > > was not > > a ≠ b ∨ a ≠ c > > but > > a ≠ b ∧ a ≠ c As I said, I always sucked at formal logic. For me logic is verbal, not mathematical and I can never remember what all the weird little symbols mean.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 12:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10cnvtu$3jj2s$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76167 |
On 15/10/2025 06:27, rbowman wrote: > As I said, I always sucked at formal logic. For me logic is verbal, not > mathematical and I can never remember what all the weird little symbols > mean. They actually *mean* something? -- “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it.” – H. L. Mencken
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-16 01:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <sE2dnQ7UGeAp4W31nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76189 |
On 10/15/25 07:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/10/2025 06:27, rbowman wrote: >> As I said, I always sucked at formal logic. For me logic is verbal, not >> mathematical and I can never remember what all the weird little symbols >> mean. > They actually *mean* something? No, nothing. Ignore it ... do what works and you can understand and you'll be ten steps ahead of the rest.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tpGHQ.500362$7Ika.337552@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #76155 |
On 2025-10-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:31:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2025-10-14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Anybody who buys a book with “philosophy” in the title ... probably >>> shouldn’t be allowed to manage a software project. >> >> Ironically, an elective course on logic that I took in university was >> labeled "Philosophy 302". >> That's where I learned about things like De Morgan's theorem, which >> comes in quite handy for programming. > > I didn’t think philosphers believed in logic ... ;) > > I found an explanation of De Morgan’s Theorem in a book on computing > hardware, I think it was. Hard to believe you can find people who write > software, who don’t understand it. I remember on the Python group some > years ago getting into an argument with someone who didn’t seem to > appreciate that the opposite of > > a = b ∨ a = c > > was not > > a ≠ b ∨ a ≠ c > > but > > a ≠ b ∧ a ≠ c Did you rub his nose in a counter-example? That's _so_ much fun. :-) -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 05:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ml8pe9FpjuU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76146 |
On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:31:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-10-14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> Anybody who buys a book with “philosophy” in the title ... probably >> shouldn’t be allowed to manage a software project. > > Ironically, an elective course on logic that I took in university was > labeled "Philosophy 302". > That's where I learned about things like De Morgan's theorem, which > comes in quite handy for programming. Wirth's 'Digital Circuit Design for Computer Science Students' uses it to simplify gates. It's all logic after all. I started my career designing industrial controls with ice cube relays, electromechanical timers, push buttons, and limit switches. Same thing. Funny thing is I was never very good at formal logic derivations.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 05:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ml8omkFpjuU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76142 |
On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:02:20 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Anybody who buys a book with “philosophy” in the title ... probably > shouldn’t be allowed to manage a software project. You can tell a book by it's cover. If it has a dragon, it's okay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compilers:_Principles,_Techniques,_and_Tools That doesn't always work. The wizard book was interesting in a warped sort of fashion but being introduced to programming with Scheme might engender mental illness in later life.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-14 19:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <wpKcnVN4_MydQ3P1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76099 |
On 10/14/25 02:36, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 01:44:08 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> On 10/13/25 14:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2025-10-13, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On 13/10/2025 18:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> The other way to spot CS weenies is their gratuitous use of >>>>> recursion. >>>> >>>> Possibly. It can be elegant. Or not. >>>> I used it in a maze building program very successfully. >>> >>> That's why I included the word "gratuitous" above. >>> >>> I once wrote an assembler for the Univac 90/30 (sort of like the IBM >>> 360). To test the macro processor I wrote a recursive Towers of Hanoi >>> macro. It generated no code, >>> just a bunch of MNOTEs telling you where to move the disks. >>> The program listing itself was the solution. >> >> Recursion is FUN - if you have the stack/mem to spare. Once wrote an >> n-field sort routine that relied on recursion. Nice, small, >> satisfying. >> >> But yea, it CAN become stupid. Often a straight-on approach is >> quicker and simpler. >> >> CS isn't "practical programming" - not at all. > > It's the same as any other relationship between science and engineering. > You don't want a physicist designing a bridge although the basis of civil > engineering is physics. There are universities that offer BS and MSE > programs in software engineering. I don't know how much they differ from > the computer science programs. The local university offers CS and I'm not > overly impressed but technology isn't really their forte. I suppose there's nothing wrong with CS ... but on the flip, how much good or good stuff comes it either ? CS is just a branch of theoretical math. I'd like some figures on how many CS people can write a good old "Hello World".
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 12:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10co09b$3jj2s$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76149 |
On 15/10/2025 00:34, c186282 wrote: > I suppose there's nothing wrong with CS ... but > on the flip, how much good or good stuff comes > it either ? > > CS is just a branch of theoretical math. I'd like > some figures on how many CS people can write a > good old "Hello World". None. Formal programming languages don't contain IO. My engineering course contained an interesting, but almost completely useless course in quantum states with respect to how semiconductors work. Sometimes it was handy when things broke. Yet a friend in the year below me went on to designing NAND flash in California...all about quantum level stuff ..whilst another gave up engineering moved to philosophy and became a successful company director 'The metaphysics of business is...interesting', You never know when some random fact from University may prove useful... -- “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it.” – H. L. Mencken
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 21:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlagvjFb1aaU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76190 |
On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:24:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/10/2025 00:34, c186282 wrote: >> I suppose there's nothing wrong with CS ... but >> on the flip, how much good or good stuff comes it either ? >> >> CS is just a branch of theoretical math. I'd like some figures on >> how many CS people can write a good old "Hello World". > > None. Formal programming languages don't contain IO. The classic criticism of pure didactic Pascal was it is a language supremely capable of telling secrets to itself. iirc before Common Lisp the original Lisp was just as adept. I/O is messy and impacts the purity of the language.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-16 01:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <sE2dnQTUGeA7FW31nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76204 |
On 10/15/25 17:11, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:24:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 15/10/2025 00:34, c186282 wrote: >>> I suppose there's nothing wrong with CS ... but >>> on the flip, how much good or good stuff comes it either ? >>> >>> CS is just a branch of theoretical math. I'd like some figures on >>> how many CS people can write a good old "Hello World". >> >> None. Formal programming languages don't contain IO. > > The classic criticism of pure didactic Pascal was it is a language > supremely capable of telling secrets to itself. iirc before Common Lisp > the original Lisp was just as adept. I/O is messy and impacts the purity > of the language. AAAUUGGHH ! LISP !!! How DID anyone keep track of all the paren levels ... not to mention "lamba" everyfuckingthing ? :-) To this day I instinctively stay away from anything with 'lamba' in it :-) But, at the time, many were just convinced LISP was *the* language of "AI" .....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-16 07:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlbjjeFgmi0U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76225 |
On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 01:54:45 -0400, c186282 wrote: > AAAUUGGHH ! LISP !!! > > How DID anyone keep track of all the paren levels ... not to mention > "lamba" > everyfuckingthing ? Never trust a language that is built on assembler macros from a long dead IBM mainframe (CAR and CDR)
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