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| First post | 2025-09-24 00:02 -0400 |
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Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 00:02 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:06 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:43 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 15:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 14:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 00:26 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 01:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-28 10:21 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 19:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 09:37 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-04 12:04 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:12 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 09:43 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-04 15:22 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 17:38 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-04 20:34 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 20:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-04 22:56 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-05 09:51 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-06 02:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-07 09:56 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:55 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-08 12:58 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 09:02 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 17:35 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:29 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:58 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:45 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 14:02 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:17 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 00:55 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:35 -0400
Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 14:54 -0400
Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:15 +0000
Re: Partitioning (was Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:35 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:13 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 14:29 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:37 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 15:07 +0000
inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:45 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 00:57 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 15:28 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 23:46 +0100
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:42 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:13 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:53 +0200
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:49 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:51 -0400
Re: inodes, customizing partitions c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:10 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-09 09:00 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:24 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:52 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:11 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:56 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:50 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-05 20:25 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-04 20:35 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 09:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 11:08 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-28 12:19 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:07 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:36 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 23:35 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-29 00:28 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-28 21:08 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 05:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-29 16:32 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 18:36 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:30 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 10:12 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:33 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-09-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:31 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:15 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-29 08:18 -0700
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-28 00:31 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 11:19 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:22 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-28 18:07 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-28 19:18 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 23:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 09:53 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-10-02 18:28 +1000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2025-10-02 21:44 +0300
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 00:10 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:35 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:32 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:21 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-10-04 12:55 +1000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-09-24 06:49 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 11:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 16:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 14:35 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 15:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 21:32 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:38 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 00:04 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-09-25 00:44 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:07 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 15:52 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:09 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:44 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:04 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:15 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 21:06 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:10 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 21:09 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-06 22:08 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-06 23:30 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-07 15:16 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 02:34 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:58 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 11:06 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 14:14 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:44 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:10 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:54 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:57 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:49 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:29 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-09 12:50 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:11 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:37 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-10 11:19 +0200
Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:51 +0200
Re: Phone wallet c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:30 -0400
Re: Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 14:32 +0200
Re: Phone wallet c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:35 -0400
Re: Phone wallet "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 14:48 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:17 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-10 06:51 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 03:29 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:55 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:10 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-08 13:18 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-09 03:09 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 12:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-10 02:53 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 23:44 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:38 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 15:16 +0000
Faraday cages (was: Re: Floppies - Actual Question) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-09 17:02 +0100
Re: Faraday cages Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:48 +0000
Re: Faraday cages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:49 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:47 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 01:05 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:52 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:38 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:45 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 05:27 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-25 15:42 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 04:59 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-26 01:36 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 09:12 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 13:58 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-27 03:11 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:22 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-29 23:03 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 09:32 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-26 15:19 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 20:23 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:45 +0100
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-24 08:41 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-24 12:04 +0200
Re: Floppies - Actual Question c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-24 14:34 -0400
Re: Floppies - Actual Question John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> - 2025-09-24 17:11 +0000
Re: Floppies - Actual Question Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2025-09-28 01:00 -0700
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-08 01:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <af-dnf1qL6lFZXj1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75766 |
On 10/7/25 11:16, Rich wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> On 10/6/25 06:29, Stefan Ram wrote: >>> Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:04:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> At some point in the 80's, a friend at uni wanted to go home with >>>>> his floppies kept safe (the train was electric). We told him to >>>>> try wrapping in aluminum kitchen foil, or perhaps in a cookie tin >>>>> box. I don't remember what he did exactly, but it worked. >>>>> “Faraday cage”. >>> >>> In a perfect conductor, inside the material itself (such as the >>> cage walls), the electric field E is zero because free charges >>> move to cancel any applied electric field. >>> >>> Faraday's law then implies that within the conductor, the >>> magnetic field B cannot be changing with time. >>> >>> Changing magnetic fields induce currents (eddy currents). These >>> induced currents generate opposing magnetic fields that cancel >>> the time-varying components inside the conductor, effectively >>> shielding against changing magnetic fields. >>> >>> But this does not imply zero magnetic field inside the >>> conductor's hollow interior (the cage's interior space). Static >>> fields do not induce currents because there is no changing >>> magnetic flux within the conductor to generate an electromotive >>> force. Consequently, these magnetic fields penetrate the cage >>> interior unaffected. >>> >>> Also, real materials might not be perfect conductors. And it >>> seems that, in practice, a Faraday cage can possibly protect to >>> some extend against fast changing magnetic fields, but less >>> against slowly changing magnetic fields. >> >> It would take a fairly extreme static/slow-changing >> field to erase floppies. You can do it - I just did >> a couple weeks ago - using a neo magnet at point blank >> range - but fields from train motors, I just don't >> see it. High-frequency mag fields are more dangerous >> but even THEN would need to be pretty strong. > > The drop off of magnetic field intensity by distance can be > **approximated** as 1/(d^3) (inverse cube drop). So yes, the field > from the train motors would need to be extremely strong, or the OP's > floppies would have had to be very close to the motors, for the > electric train motors to have any impact on the floppies. > >> My guess is that we're hearing an "urban legend" >> here. > > Yes. There are a lot of those that go around. And since the "foil > wrap" did nothing, but the floppies were undamaged (and the person did > not do an A-B test with some wrapped, some unwrapped) they delude > themselves into belieiving the foil wrap actually did something. Aluminum foil would do NOTHING with fields from large motors. Gotta use the 'cookie tin', iron box, for that. So yea, 'urban legends'.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 20:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <FwWdnUpvLosNDUn1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75144 |
On 9/24/25 20:04, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2025 20:38:17 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> An oscillating magnetic field, on the other hand, like you got with CRT >> monitors, also speakers ... > > I was wondering what a degaussing coil would do. Might work, but there were smaller devices sold which made a stronger field. Used to have a Radio Shack model. Neo magnets rubbed over the disk WILL erase/unstructure them - but we're talking a higher field yet. The RS unit was 60hz ... though I think a somewhat higher frequency would work better, maybe 400hz.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-25 05:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mjk25uF22m4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75152 |
On Wed, 24 Sep 2025 20:45:17 -0400, c186282 wrote: > On 9/24/25 20:04, rbowman wrote: >> On Wed, 24 Sep 2025 20:38:17 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> An oscillating magnetic field, on the other hand, like you got with >>> CRT monitors, also speakers ... >> >> I was wondering what a degaussing coil would do. > > Might work, but there were smaller devices sold which made a stronger > field. Used to have a Radio Shack model. Neo magnets rubbed over the > disk WILL erase/unstructure them - but we're talking a higher field > yet. > > The RS unit was 60hz ... though I think a somewhat higher frequency > would work better, maybe 400hz. https://www.magnetsource.com/products/07524 I see several variations on this theme but I've never used one. I've used coils at 60 Hz to demagnetize but not this scheme. In a pinch one of the old soldering guns will work. I recently finished a project that had a lot of small screws down to 1.5 mm and magnetic screwdrivers were very handy.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-25 15:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j66dneWhL_GZBkj1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75162 |
* On 9/25/25 01:27, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2025 20:45:17 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> On 9/24/25 20:04, rbowman wrote: >>> On Wed, 24 Sep 2025 20:38:17 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> An oscillating magnetic field, on the other hand, like you got with >>>> CRT monitors, also speakers ... >>> >>> I was wondering what a degaussing coil would do. >> >> Might work, but there were smaller devices sold which made a stronger >> field. Used to have a Radio Shack model. Neo magnets rubbed over the >> disk WILL erase/unstructure them - but we're talking a higher field >> yet. >> >> The RS unit was 60hz ... though I think a somewhat higher frequency >> would work better, maybe 400hz. > > https://www.magnetsource.com/products/07524 > > I see several variations on this theme but I've never used one. I've used > coils at 60 Hz to demagnetize but not this scheme. In a pinch one of the > old soldering guns will work. I recently finished a project that had a lot > of small screws down to 1.5 mm and magnetic screwdrivers were very handy. Just rub a neo magnet down the screwdriver, a single pass will often do. Then it'll hold screws nicely. The 'device' ... umm ... ought to magnetize fine, but seems to just use the other magnet pole to demagnetize, which probably won't be very reliable. To degauss you need a rapidly alternating field. 50/60hz minimum but higher freq would be better. A couple of power FETs and a coil and you could likely build your own. Just wire as a class-C push-pull amplifier and you could employ a simple large-ish resistor to limit the current (it'll get kinda hot). Overkill - auto-parts companies now do sell induction heater kits that come with several coils. Mostly to replace a gas torch for loosening stuck bolts and such. Prices aren't TOO bad. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FJ1HSBL5/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0FJ1HSBL5&pd_rd_w=arZ4N&content-id=amzn1.sym.7446a9d1-25fe-4460-b135-a60336bad2c9&pf_rd_p=7446a9d1-25fe-4460-b135-a60336bad2c9&pf_rd_r=GR8GWVPD6XY3JNBC14EV&pd_rd_wg=zb84a&pd_rd_r=6fd73eb2-2b9f-48ef-bc24-5cfbed4d3daf&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWw
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-26 04:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mjmku8Ffj58U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75239 |
On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 15:42:10 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Just rub a neo magnet down the screwdriver, a single pass will often > do. Then it'll hold screws nicely. > > The 'device' ... umm ... ought to magnetize fine, but seems to just > use the other magnet pole to demagnetize, > which probably won't be very reliable. That was my feeling. I have a good supply of neo magnets salvaged from my electric toothbrush. Those little suckers are strong.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-26 01:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Q4OcnYr9Acb2u0v1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75263 |
On 9/26/25 00:59, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 15:42:10 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Just rub a neo magnet down the screwdriver, a single pass will often >> do. Then it'll hold screws nicely. >> >> The 'device' ... umm ... ought to magnetize fine, but seems to just >> use the other magnet pole to demagnetize, >> which probably won't be very reliable. > > That was my feeling. I have a good supply of neo magnets salvaged from my > electric toothbrush. Those little suckers are strong. I have a huge stockpile from a surplus store - including 2x2" cubes. Dangerously strong. In any case I've checked and they WILL nuke floppies.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-27 09:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10b868r$1iou3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75270 |
On 27/09/2025 08:11, c186282 wrote: > However not all of my old floppies will read > properly. MAY just be Too Old alas ... > > And NO external adapters for 5-1/4 floppies > at all anymore ... > > And what about my 8" floppies ???!!! 🙂 Floppies always were crap right from the get-go. 50/50 chance of a floppy written on one drive working on another, played very badly with CRT monitor degaussing systems.... As soon as I could it went onto CD or DVD, and these days I simply have a rolling bard drive system, as DVDs were not big enough. Error free digital duplication is almost infinitely useable. -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-27 13:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <AWOdnQwxtYUwuEX1nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75304 |
On 9/27/25 04:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 27/09/2025 08:11, c186282 wrote: >> However not all of my old floppies will read >> properly. MAY just be Too Old alas ... >> >> And NO external adapters for 5-1/4 floppies >> at all anymore ... >> >> And what about my 8" floppies ???!!! 🙂 > > Floppies always were crap right from the get-go. > > 50/50 chance of a floppy written on one drive working on another, played > very badly with CRT monitor degaussing systems.... > > As soon as I could it went onto CD or DVD, and these days I simply have > a rolling bard drive system, as DVDs were not big enough. Error free > digital duplication is almost infinitely useable. Floppies were not THAT great - but the alternatives were a giant stack of punch cards or big rolls of paper/mag tape. Let's just say they were "relatively great". These days we can get Tb SD drives for under $100, USB thumbs to 2Tb for about $125. A huge diff in removable storage since the 70s eh ?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-27 03:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <c6ednUEsdKutE0r1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75270 |
On 9/26/25 11:19, Rich wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> In any case I've checked and they WILL nuke >> floppies. > > Yep, they will. But you don't need a neo magnet to nuke a floppy. A > regular old style magnet will nuke a floppy just fine. > > You /might/ need a neo if you ever get around to trying to nuke one of > the SuperDisk floppies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDisk Never actually SAW any of those. The link claims 120/240mb storage, which kind of means a species of "zip disk". In any case, a close pass with a neo mag will nuke any such media. Floppies/Zips were obsoleted by CD/DVD-RW and those were obsoleted by SD cards. However we older folks still have a lot of ancient, but interesting, stuff on floppies that we'd kind of like to get at as needed. DID get my USB floppy adapter to work, did list the necessary format/mount commands. However not all of my old floppies will read properly. MAY just be Too Old alas ... And NO external adapters for 5-1/4 floppies at all anymore ... And what about my 8" floppies ???!!! :-) Archivists are freaking now - SO much 'historic' data on these old media, but NO modern hardware to read them with. Isn't just data disks ... videotapes and corp/govt/NASA formats. We created a highly volatile 'history' - and now it's going away fast. Ink & parchment - THAT lasts awhile. Clay tablets ... 7000 years ... We need some 'impractical' media for long long term preservation, something we can copy the current stuff into, something not dependent on common hardware or 'cloud' replication. Laser-etched holograms in sapphire maybe ? That'd last 100,000 years easy.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-29 14:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <q8aqqlxrnt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75314 |
On 2025-09-27 09:11, c186282 wrote: > We need some 'impractical' media for long long > term preservation, something we can copy the > current stuff into, something not dependent > on common hardware or 'cloud' replication. > Laser-etched holograms in sapphire maybe ? > That'd last 100,000 years easy. I glanced yesterday at a news of a glass that claimed something like that. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-29 23:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <B7Scncjt7okS1Ub1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75392 |
On 9/29/25 08:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-09-27 09:11, c186282 wrote: >> We need some 'impractical' media for long long >> term preservation, something we can copy the >> current stuff into, something not dependent >> on common hardware or 'cloud' replication. >> Laser-etched holograms in sapphire maybe ? >> That'd last 100,000 years easy. > > I glanced yesterday at a news of a glass that claimed something like that. "Glasses" are not as stable as they seem - extreme long term anyhow. They're really just very thick fluids. Aluminum oxide ... that'll last pretty good. Diamond is better but way too expensive. There's short, medium, long and VERY VERY long-term storage. Given the value of Sumerian clay tablets, I think we need to aim at at least 10,000 years for some of our stuff. A total civ rebuild - maybe 100,000 years would be necessary. Of course your convenience store receipts probably wouldn't be included ... OK maybe one or two for common-guy "context". Anyway, think about near-indestructible storage media. 'Replication'/cloud ... that's only good as long as the cloud still lives. A good solar flare or two and ...
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-30 09:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qldsqlx4ta.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75443 |
On 2025-09-30 05:03, c186282 wrote: > On 9/29/25 08:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-09-27 09:11, c186282 wrote: >>> We need some 'impractical' media for long long >>> term preservation, something we can copy the >>> current stuff into, something not dependent >>> on common hardware or 'cloud' replication. >>> Laser-etched holograms in sapphire maybe ? >>> That'd last 100,000 years easy. >> >> I glanced yesterday at a news of a glass that claimed something like >> that. > > "Glasses" are not as stable as they seem - extreme > long term anyhow. They're really just very thick > fluids. Hum. I can't say if they said glass or crystal. I am unable to differentiate. Ah, I located the entry. In Spanish: <https://computerhoy.20minutos.es/dispositivos/adios-usb-tarjetas-memoria-discos-duros-llega-cristal-indestructible-puede-guardar-archivos-forma-ilimitada-1485101> *Goodbye to USB sticks, memory cards and hard drives: introducing indestructible glass that can store unlimited files* Microsoft's Project Silica uses special glass and femtosecond lasers to store data in such a way that it can remain intact for centuries without deteriorating. → <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/project-silica/> Now I can search for other entries, ¡from 2024! So maybe summer serpent. > > Aluminum oxide ... that'll last pretty good. > Diamond is better but way too expensive. > > There's short, medium, long and VERY VERY > long-term storage. > > Given the value of Sumerian clay tablets, I think > we need to aim at at least 10,000 years for some > of our stuff. A total civ rebuild - maybe 100,000 > years would be necessary. Of course your convenience > store receipts probably wouldn't be included ... > OK maybe one or two for common-guy "context". > > Anyway, think about near-indestructible storage media. > 'Replication'/cloud ... that's only good as long as > the cloud still lives. A good solar flare or two and ... > Yes. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-26 15:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10b6au1$12qvf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75270 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > In any case I've checked and they WILL nuke > floppies. Yep, they will. But you don't need a neo magnet to nuke a floppy. A regular old style magnet will nuke a floppy just fine. You /might/ need a neo if you ever get around to trying to nuke one of the SuperDisk floppies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDisk
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 20:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <FwWdnUhvLosPFkn1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75126 |
On 9/24/25 16:38, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2025 16:53:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2025-09-24, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Reformatting *at a low level* should work however. >>> Its so long I cannot remember how to do that. >> >> First you get a large magnet... > > I remember a friend describing a test that was done with those huge > magnets that are used to pick up cars in wrecking yards. It was used to > grab a bunch of magnetic tape reels. The tapes read perfectly fine > afterwards. > > An oscillating magnetic field, on the other hand, like you got with CRT > monitors, also speakers ... Try neo magnets at close range - extreme field - WILL erase floppies.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-25 09:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10b2vej$5u19$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75148 |
On 25/09/2025 01:23, c186282 wrote: > Try neo magnets at close range - extreme field - WILL > erase floppies. +1 -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 08:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10b03qb$v870$3@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #75070 |
On 24.09.2025 00:02 c186282 c186282 wrote: > Recently got a USB floppy reader. Does is show the floppy as fd0 or regular disk like sdX? Is it new or used and maybe dusty? > Now either ALL my old floppies have mysteriously > gone bad or ....... Can be the case, they are often worn out, old and dusty. > Used "ueifloppy" to reformat. First pass goes > real slow. Second pass goes quick. Does dmesg show any errors? What does badblocks say to it? I've used badblocks on many of mine and a high amount of them was faulty. > BUT - no partition table on the disk, cannot > mount as anything, Gparted is of no use. Normal, as the default was to directly have a file system like fat32 on them. Use mkfs.vfat <dev> to format them. > Floppies are of 'limited use' these days, but I do > have a lot of old ones with good old code and such > on them. Would LIKE to be able to get at that AND > be able to use floppies for storage "just because". Should be possible, I have a USB controller for regular floppy drives, so the old drives can just be connected to that card and then to USB. Works, but is not shown as a regular floppy drive in the system.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 12:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <g9scqlxt6j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #75070 |
On 2025-09-24 06:02, c186282 wrote:
> Recently got a USB floppy reader.
I have no experience with that, but I can say that we did not put
partitions on floppies.
You might try "mformat" from "mtools". However, the manual says this:
Description
The mformat command is used to add an MS-DOS
file system to a low-level formatted diskette.
On another paragraph it says
X formats the disk as an XDF disk. See
section XDF, for more details. The disk
has first to be low-level formatted us-
ing the xdfcopy utility included in the
fdutils package. XDF disks are used for
instance for OS/2 install disks.
I don't have "xdfcopy" installed, but the manual can be found here:
https://man.he.net/man1/xdfcopy
Name
xdfcopy - copy and format XDF disks in Linux
So maybe this is not the tool to low format floppies for FAT.
So I asked chatgpt. It says to use "fdformat".
fdformat /dev/fd0
Also
superformat /dev/fd0
can create weird formats. So it says to use:
fdformat /dev/fd0 # Low-level format
mformat a:
But then says instead you can use:
mkfs.msdos /dev/fd0 # Creates a FAT filesystem directly
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 14:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <OoWdnR-kNMU7pEn1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75093 |
On 9/24/25 06:04, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-09-24 06:02, c186282 wrote: >> Recently got a USB floppy reader. > > I have no experience with that, but I can say that we did not put > partitions on floppies. > > > You might try "mformat" from "mtools". However, the manual says this: > > Description > The mformat command is used to add an MS-DOS > file system to a low-level formatted diskette. > > On another paragraph it says > > X formats the disk as an XDF disk. See > section XDF, for more details. The disk > has first to be low-level formatted us- > ing the xdfcopy utility included in the > fdutils package. XDF disks are used for > instance for OS/2 install disks. > > > > I don't have "xdfcopy" installed, but the manual can be found here: > > https://man.he.net/man1/xdfcopy > > Name > xdfcopy - copy and format XDF disks in Linux > > So maybe this is not the tool to low format floppies for FAT. > > > So I asked chatgpt. It says to use "fdformat". > > fdformat /dev/fd0 > > > Also > > superformat /dev/fd0 > > can create weird formats. So it says to use: > > fdformat /dev/fd0 # Low-level format > mformat a: > > > But then says instead you can use: > > mkfs.msdos /dev/fd0 # Creates a FAT filesystem directly > Most of those seem to be limited to traditional drives. fdformat docs say so - and recs ufiformat for USB drives. That does go through the steps - but the result is unusable and unmountable. I've used USB flops with Linux boxes before, no probs.
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| From | John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-24 17:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10b18n9$3pjmt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75070 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> Recently got a USB floppy reader.
>
> Now either ALL my old floppies have mysteriously
> gone bad or .......
Interesting, I will need to check my diskettes. I have
had a few go bad, but I have not read one in a long time.
> Used "ueifloppy" to reformat. First pass goes
> real slow. Second pass goes quick.
I do not know what that is.
<snip>
>
> The device IS seen, but can't DO anything with it.
>
> Anybody else seen this ???
Yes
<snip>
>
> Floppies are of 'limited use' these days, but I do
> have a lot of old ones with good old code and such
> on them. Would LIKE to be able to get at that AND
> be able to use floppies for storage "just because".
Now a story:
How are they formatted ? Most of mine are formatted for
use with MS-DOS. A long time ago, I had one DOS diskette
I wanted to get an important doc off of.
When I tried to mount it under Linux, it crashed the
kernel on mount, I tried a few times. I tried using dd,
same.
I had a very old desktop with NetBSD and the same happened.
But NetBSD had just added the rump kernel. So I decided
to try it out. The rump kernel also crashed many times,
but I could keep trying because NetBSD itself did not
crash.
After a few tries, I was able to copy bits of the document.
Some copies failed or crashed the rump kernel, but after
a few tries I got about 80% to 90% of the doc.
So if you have the time, maybe try that. But the diskette
need to be formatted for use with MS-DOS .
--
[t]csh(1) - "An elegant shell, for a more... civilized age."
- Paraphrasing Star Wars
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| From | Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-28 01:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87wm5jypjt.fsf@rpi3> |
| In reply to | #75070 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes: > Recently got a USB floppy reader. > > Now either ALL my old floppies have mysteriously > gone bad or ....... > > Used "ueifloppy" to reformat. First pass goes > real slow. Second pass goes quick. > > BUT - no partition table on the disk, cannot > mount as anything, Gparted is of no use. The > usual floppy formatter utils don't help. kfloppy > doesn't help. mkfs vfat dies almost immediately > and the ext2 try gets further, but eventually > fails. > > The device IS seen, but can't DO anything with it. > > Anybody else seen this ??? > > Can, probably will, buy a 10-pak of brand new > floppies. MIGHT fix things ... maybe. > > The USB adapter is well-reviewed, MANY reviews, > so I don't suspect it. Clearly same device being > sold under many brand names too. HAVE used USB > floppy adapters in Win and Lin in the past with > no problems. > > MX/Bookworm. All FAT/NTFS stuff loaded. > > Floppies are of 'limited use' these days, but I do > have a lot of old ones with good old code and such > on them. Would LIKE to be able to get at that AND > be able to use floppies for storage "just because". Do you have the read-only tag set on the disc? I have a usb floppy drive that I use on a daily basis and have never seen this issue. Though, I'm not sure what purpose would be to partition a floppy. I mean, why? Anyway, I use a floppy disc as a primary method of storage for my daily files. All the larger multimedia files and pdf's are on an external hdd, but those are rarely, if ever, accessed. D
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