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AI-Based Coding Taking Over

Started byc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
First post2025-09-30 00:12 -0400
Last post2025-11-24 23:48 +0000
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  AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 00:12 -0400
    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 09:37 +0200
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:21 +0200
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:35 +0100
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:45 +0000
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:41 +0000
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:44 +0000
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 23:46 +0000
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:05 +0000
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:06 +0000
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-01 03:53 +0000
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 04:57 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:41 -0400
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:40 -0400
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-10 18:00 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:41 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:00 +0100
                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:39 +0000
                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:31 -0400
                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:09 +0100
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:03 +0000
                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:28 -0400
                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:04 +0100
                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:40 +0000
                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:24 -0400
                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:19 +0100
                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-13 19:05 +0000
                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:24 -0400
                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 07:09 +0000
                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:35 -0400
                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:04 +0200
                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:04 +0100
                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 12:06 +0200
                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:32 +0100
                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 12:45 +0200
                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 22:05 +0000
                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-15 14:30 +0200
                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 21:47 +0000
                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:41 +0000
                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:30 -0400
                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 16:57 +0000
                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:31 +0000
                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-16 18:43 +0000
                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 18:59 +0000
                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-16 13:43 -0700
                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 02:02 +0000
                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-17 07:58 -0400
                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-17 17:38 +0100
                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 22:16 +0000
                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-18 08:53 -0400
                                                              Bikes [Was: AI-Based Coding Taking Over] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:02 +0200
                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:51 +0000
                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 22:55 +0200
                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:32 +0000
                                                                    Nuisance fauna [Was: AI-Based Coding Taking Over] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:31 +0200
                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-19 08:41 +0100
                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:15 +0100
                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 20:57 +0000
                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 00:23 -0400
                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:44 +0000
                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 03:32 -0400
                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:34 +0200
                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:22 -0400
                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 08:54 +0100
                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 21:22 +0200
                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:45 +0000
                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 02:21 -0400
                                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:07 +0200
                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 21:05 +0000
                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:42 +0200
                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:11 +0100
                                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:47 +0000
                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:45 +0000
                                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:47 +0100
                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:46 +0000
                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 08:19 +0100
                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 20:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:50 -0400
                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:32 +0100
                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 20:12 +0000
                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 11:53 -0700
                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 03:32 +0000
                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 21:52 -0700
                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:44 -0400
                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:34 +0000
                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:41 -0400
                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:40 +0000
                                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 02:23 -0400
                                                                                  Oil leaks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:13 +0200
                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:29 +0200
                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:48 +0000
                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 04:10 +0000
                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:39 -0400
                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 20:02 +0000
                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:48 -0400
                                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 06:02 +0000
                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 03:34 -0400
                                                                                    Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:30 +0200
                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:51 +0000
                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:54 +0200
                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:26 +0200
                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 21:00 +0000
                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:27 +0000
                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:59 -0700
                                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 04:47 +0000
                                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 22:09 -0700
                                                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:43 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:23 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 20:51 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:58 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:00 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 22:19 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:48 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-27 03:12 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:15 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:20 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 02:54 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:23 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:45 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-27 03:07 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 14:26 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:31 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 20:41 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-27 14:17 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 05:40 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:18 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:19 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:08 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-27 22:30 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-28 11:25 -0700
                                                                                                              The Good Ol' Days of Computing? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:15 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-29 02:12 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:43 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-29 21:30 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 03:07 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 00:49 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 06:29 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 07:00 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 11:32 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:39 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 11:29 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:37 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 04:01 +0000
                                                                                                          Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:21 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 16:53 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-27 13:48 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 20:53 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 13:56 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:30 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 08:15 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:51 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:39 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 02:14 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:52 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:37 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-27 10:18 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-27 13:42 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:28 +0100
                                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-24 03:30 +0000
                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:44 +0000
                                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:21 +0200
                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:57 +0200
                                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:23 +0000
                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:35 +0200
                                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:30 +0000
                                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 22:13 +0200
                                                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:17 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:40 +0000
                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:29 -0400
                                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:59 +0200
                                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:20 +0000
                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 19:09 -0700
                                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:49 +0000
                                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:38 +0200
                                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:41 +0000
                                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 13:05 -0700
                                                                                              Agriculture "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 22:25 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Agriculture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:22 +0000
                                                                                Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:21 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 15:06 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:09 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:40 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 21:22 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 01:54 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:20 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:28 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Vehicles The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 08:55 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 15:09 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-23 17:46 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:08 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-23 22:28 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:09 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 01:43 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 01:47 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-13 17:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 22:51 -0400
                                                                                          Pouring a coffee into a street drain. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 09:59 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Pouring a coffee into a street drain. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:43 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 22:45 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:06 +0000
                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:32 -0400
                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:18 -0400
                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:50 +0000
                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 20:40 +0000
                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-19 14:24 -0700
                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 06:04 +0000
                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:48 +0200
                                                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 01:02 +0200
                                                                          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 03:39 +0000
                                                                            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:33 -0400
                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 21:33 +0200
                                                                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:37 -0400
                                                                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 06:12 +0000
                                                                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 03:38 -0400
                                                                                    Vehicles. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:35 +0200
                                                                              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:42 +0000
                                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 17:36 +0000
                                        Car inspections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-15 14:35 +0200
                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:38 -0400
                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:12 +0000
                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 11:55 +0100
                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-16 03:07 +0000
                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:56 -0400
                                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:06 -0400
                                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 11:59 +0100
                                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:00 -0400
                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:29 +0000
                                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:22 +0100
                                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:34 -0400
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 18:11 +0100
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 21:06 +0000
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 23:45 +0100
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 22:19 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:15 +0100
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:59 -0400
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 06:20 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-02 03:05 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:41 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-02 07:26 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:37 +0000
                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:29 -0400
                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 05:06 +0000
                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:24 -0400
                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2025-10-03 11:33 +0000
                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:46 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:25 -0400
                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 04:44 +0000
                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:18 -0400
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:42 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 21:05 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:35 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:37 -0400
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 08:54 +0100
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:02 +0100
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:41 +0000
                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:24 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:21 -0400
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:20 -0400
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-04 17:04 +0000
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-10-03 08:03 +1000
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 22:55 +0000
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:06 -0400
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-01 20:26 +0000
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:58 -0400
    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-09-30 11:25 +0000
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 12:56 +0100
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:48 -0400
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-01 03:53 +0000
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:36 -0400
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:16 -0400
    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-31 16:52 +0000
      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:19 +0000
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-31 22:35 -0400
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:42 +0000
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 08:07 +0100
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 03:58 -0500
        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:19 +0000
          Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:32 +0000
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:09 -0400
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:09 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:28 +0000
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-03 07:52 +1000
              Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-11-02 22:21 +0000
                Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-11-03 09:30 +1000
                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-11-03 14:14 +0000
                  Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:49 +0000
                    Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-24 23:08 -0500
                      Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 06:56 +0000
                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 04:03 -0500
                        Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-26 13:23 +0200
            Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:48 +0000

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#75951

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-11 19:03 +0000
Message-ID<mkvo0oFdgtdU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#75932
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 02:41:10 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    "When in question, when in doubt, follow the MONEY and you'll find
>    out"'

The Franklins do leave a discernible trail.

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#75976

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-10-11 22:28 -0400
Message-ID<W-WcnRdsBfT5j3b1nZ2dnZfqnPhj4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#75951
On 10/11/25 15:03, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 02:41:10 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     "When in question, when in doubt, follow the MONEY and you'll find
>>     out"'
> 
> The Franklins do leave a discernible trail.

   Came up with that one myself ... like 30+ years ago.
   Irresistible rhyme  :-)

   Actually, think I came up with it on the CompuServe
   Forums ........

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#75991

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-12 12:04 +0100
Message-ID<10cg20a$1dscj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75976
On 12/10/2025 03:28, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/11/25 15:03, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 02:41:10 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     "When in question, when in doubt, follow the MONEY and you'll find
>>>     out"'
>>
>> The Franklins do leave a discernible trail.
> 
>    Came up with that one myself ... like 30+ years ago.
>    Irresistible rhyme  :-)
> 
>    Actually, think I came up with it on the CompuServe
>    Forums ........
> 
When as a student we could only afford to repair our own cars, I came up 
with similar
'when in doubt, rip it out'

The time spent removing an entire axle to get a brake drum off and onto 
the bench with total access and proper tools was way less that lying 
upside down with a hammer on the floor getting rust flakes in your eye....

-- 
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to 
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

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#76015

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-12 19:40 +0000
Message-ID<ml2egnFr8pnU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#75991
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 12:04:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 12/10/2025 03:28, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/11/25 15:03, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 02:41:10 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>     "When in question, when in doubt, follow the MONEY and you'll
>>>>     find out"'
>>>
>>> The Franklins do leave a discernible trail.
>> 
>>    Came up with that one myself ... like 30+ years ago.
>>    Irresistible rhyme  :-)
>> 
>>    Actually, think I came up with it on the CompuServe Forums ........
>> 
> When as a student we could only afford to repair our own cars, I came up
> with similar 'when in doubt, rip it out'
> 
> The time spent removing an entire axle to get a brake drum off and onto
> the bench with total access and proper tools was way less that lying
> upside down with a hammer on the floor getting rust flakes in your
> eye....

That could escalate. I had a Plymouth with a dying automatic transmission, 
that I decided to replace with a manual. That required some creative 
design work to get a clutch pedal along with a hydraulic actuator. Floor 
shift kits were available so a little hacking through the floor boards and 
building sort of a console out of sheet metal took care of that. Then 
there was shortening the drive shaft.

Finally the project was done and all was well or at least until a cop 
stopped me for a tail light problem. He insisted that I demonstrate the 
emergency brake's operation. The AT had a drum on the tailshaft that was 
the emergency brake but that was long gone. Next step was acquiring a rear 
axle that had the necessary brake mechanism, and fabricating an activation 
cable. 

I had a lot more time than money. It also helped that the friendly family 
physician was freely prescribing 'diet pills'.

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#76031

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-10-13 03:24 -0400
Message-ID<1NucnWh3DZq7NHH1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#75991
On 10/12/25 07:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 12/10/2025 03:28, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/11/25 15:03, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 02:41:10 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>     "When in question, when in doubt, follow the MONEY and you'll find
>>>>     out"'
>>>
>>> The Franklins do leave a discernible trail.
>>
>>    Came up with that one myself ... like 30+ years ago.
>>    Irresistible rhyme  :-)
>>
>>    Actually, think I came up with it on the CompuServe
>>    Forums ........
>>
> When as a student we could only afford to repair our own cars, I came up 
> with similar
> 'when in doubt, rip it out'
> 
> The time spent removing an entire axle to get a brake drum off and onto 
> the bench with total access and proper tools was way less that lying 
> upside down with a hammer on the floor getting rust flakes in your eye....

   Not every designer/corp thinks in terms
   of maint.

   Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace,
   things like brake drums/discs/bearings without
   getting more extreme. But not EVERYBODY thought
   that way.

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#76040

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-13 10:19 +0100
Message-ID<10cig7e$23kb8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76031
On 13/10/2025 08:24, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/12/25 07:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 12/10/2025 03:28, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 10/11/25 15:03, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 02:41:10 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     "When in question, when in doubt, follow the MONEY and you'll find
>>>>>     out"'
>>>>
>>>> The Franklins do leave a discernible trail.
>>>
>>>    Came up with that one myself ... like 30+ years ago.
>>>    Irresistible rhyme  :-)
>>>
>>>    Actually, think I came up with it on the CompuServe
>>>    Forums ........
>>>
>> When as a student we could only afford to repair our own cars, I came 
>> up with similar
>> 'when in doubt, rip it out'
>>
>> The time spent removing an entire axle to get a brake drum off and 
>> onto the bench with total access and proper tools was way less that 
>> lying upside down with a hammer on the floor getting rust flakes in 
>> your eye....
> 
>    Not every designer/corp thinks in terms
>    of maint.
> 
>    Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace,
>    things like brake drums/discs/bearings without
>    getting more extreme. But not EVERYBODY thought
>    that way.
> 

Stuff rusts up no matter how easy it is to get to...
-- 
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

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#76079

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-13 19:05 +0000
Message-ID<ml50s9Fa8u9U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76031
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:24:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace, things like brake
>    drums/discs/bearings without getting more extreme. But not EVERYBODY
>    thought that way.

Yeah, sure...   When the master cylinder on my '51 Chevy failed it became 
obvious that the cylinder had been bolted to the frame before the body was 
added. There was a small plate to allow replacing fluid but no provision 
for R&R.

I'm one of those strange people who looks under the hood when buying a 
car. I like to identify everything that may need maintenance and make sure 
it's accessible. 

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#76095

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-10-14 01:24 -0400
Message-ID<RI2cnf2QDJI1Q3D1nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#76079
On 10/13/25 15:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:24:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace, things like brake
>>     drums/discs/bearings without getting more extreme. But not EVERYBODY
>>     thought that way.
> 
> Yeah, sure...   When the master cylinder on my '51 Chevy failed it became
> obvious that the cylinder had been bolted to the frame before the body was
> added. There was a small plate to allow replacing fluid but no provision
> for R&R.

   Hey, 1951 ....

   Drill the bolts and proceed.

> I'm one of those strange people who looks under the hood when buying a
> car. I like to identify everything that may need maintenance and make sure
> it's accessible.

   THESE days ??? They INTENTIONALLY hide everything.

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#76101

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-14 07:09 +0000
Message-ID<ml6b9jFhs47U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76095
On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 01:24:59 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> On 10/13/25 15:05, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:24:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>     Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace, things like brake
>>>     drums/discs/bearings without getting more extreme. But not
>>>     EVERYBODY thought that way.
>> 
>> Yeah, sure...   When the master cylinder on my '51 Chevy failed it
>> became obvious that the cylinder had been bolted to the frame before
>> the body was added. There was a small plate to allow replacing fluid
>> but no provision for R&R.
> 
>    Hey, 1951 ....
> 
>    Drill the bolts and proceed.

Yeah, a '51 introduced me to interesting technology like kingpin reamers. 
otoh I paid $35 for it and had a lot of fun in the car. Can't beat that 
old straight 6. 

My family had a new '51 when we drove across country. In her version of a 
pilot's automatic rough she would start worrying about the tappets in the 
middle of Wyoming. I'm not sure she even knew what a tappet was. Before 
hydraulic lifters a noisy valve train was a happy valve train but with her 
wolf's ear every click portended disaster.

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#76152

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-10-14 20:35 -0400
Message-ID<wpKcnVJ4_MzOcXP1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#76101
On 10/14/25 03:09, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 01:24:59 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> On 10/13/25 15:05, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:24:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace, things like brake
>>>>      drums/discs/bearings without getting more extreme. But not
>>>>      EVERYBODY thought that way.
>>>
>>> Yeah, sure...   When the master cylinder on my '51 Chevy failed it
>>> became obvious that the cylinder had been bolted to the frame before
>>> the body was added. There was a small plate to allow replacing fluid
>>> but no provision for R&R.
>>
>>     Hey, 1951 ....
>>
>>     Drill the bolts and proceed.
> 
> Yeah, a '51 introduced me to interesting technology like kingpin reamers.
> otoh I paid $35 for it and had a lot of fun in the car. Can't beat that
> old straight 6.

   $35 ??? That'd be near $500 now ! Expensive tool !

   The sixes weren't hot-rods ... but they were
   good enough for most stuff and cheaper than
   V-8s.

> My family had a new '51 when we drove across country. In her version of a
> pilot's automatic rough she would start worrying about the tappets in the
> middle of Wyoming. I'm not sure she even knew what a tappet was. Before
> hydraulic lifters a noisy valve train was a happy valve train but with her
> wolf's ear every click portended disaster.

   The valve adjustments tended to drift in those
   old engines rather quickly. So, 'tapppety-tap'
   was hardly unusual. Dangerous ? Rarely. Just
   gets more and more annoying.

   Was never sure WHY the adjustments didn't hold
   up better ... points seemed to have a similar
   issue. I was happy to see magnetic sensors
   take over.

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#76104

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-14 10:04 +0200
Message-ID<3pc1slx9ti.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76095
On 2025-10-14 07:24, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/13/25 15:05, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:24:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace, things like brake
>>>     drums/discs/bearings without getting more extreme. But not EVERYBODY
>>>     thought that way.
>>
>> Yeah, sure...   When the master cylinder on my '51 Chevy failed it became
>> obvious that the cylinder had been bolted to the frame before the body 
>> was
>> added. There was a small plate to allow replacing fluid but no provision
>> for R&R.
> 
>    Hey, 1951 ....
> 
>    Drill the bolts and proceed.
> 
>> I'm one of those strange people who looks under the hood when buying a
>> car. I like to identify everything that may need maintenance and make 
>> sure
>> it's accessible.
> 
>    THESE days ??? They INTENTIONALLY hide everything.

These days what breaks are the electronic sensors. Mechanical is 
eternal, almost :-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76105

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-14 10:04 +0100
Message-ID<10cl3np$2q6c4$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76104
On 14/10/2025 09:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-14 07:24, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/13/25 15:05, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:24:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>     Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace, things like brake
>>>>     drums/discs/bearings without getting more extreme. But not 
>>>> EVERYBODY
>>>>     thought that way.
>>>
>>> Yeah, sure...   When the master cylinder on my '51 Chevy failed it 
>>> became
>>> obvious that the cylinder had been bolted to the frame before the 
>>> body was
>>> added. There was a small plate to allow replacing fluid but no provision
>>> for R&R.
>>
>>    Hey, 1951 ....
>>
>>    Drill the bolts and proceed.
>>
>>> I'm one of those strange people who looks under the hood when buying a
>>> car. I like to identify everything that may need maintenance and make 
>>> sure
>>> it's accessible.
>>
>>    THESE days ??? They INTENTIONALLY hide everything.
> 
> These days what breaks are the electronic sensors. Mechanical is 
> eternal, almost :-)
> 
Not if its made of *plastic*.

Inlet manifolds made of plastic at a $600 replacement cost? Who, ever, 
broke a cast inlet manifold back in the day?...

Composite timing belts that snap every 100,000 miles...

Engines that destroy themselves in a manufacturer's attempt to get 
better gas mileage or emissions?

The cars are designed to last the warranty period and then be too 
expensive to be worth fixing.


-- 
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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#76117

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-14 12:06 +0200
Message-ID<tuj1slxjus.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76105
On 2025-10-14 11:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/10/2025 09:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-10-14 07:24, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 10/13/25 15:05, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:24:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace, things like brake
>>>>>     drums/discs/bearings without getting more extreme. But not 
>>>>> EVERYBODY
>>>>>     thought that way.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, sure...   When the master cylinder on my '51 Chevy failed it 
>>>> became
>>>> obvious that the cylinder had been bolted to the frame before the 
>>>> body was
>>>> added. There was a small plate to allow replacing fluid but no 
>>>> provision
>>>> for R&R.
>>>
>>>    Hey, 1951 ....
>>>
>>>    Drill the bolts and proceed.
>>>
>>>> I'm one of those strange people who looks under the hood when buying a
>>>> car. I like to identify everything that may need maintenance and 
>>>> make sure
>>>> it's accessible.
>>>
>>>    THESE days ??? They INTENTIONALLY hide everything.
>>
>> These days what breaks are the electronic sensors. Mechanical is 
>> eternal, almost :-)
>>
> Not if its made of *plastic*.

Hum. Yes. I repaired a radiator fan attachment part to the car body, 
with epoxy resin with a fibre glass filling. The mechanic said *he* 
could not do that (because he could not guarantee the repair for the 
mandatory time), but me, sure, fine. The repair did hold till the car 
was recycled.

> 
> Inlet manifolds made of plastic at a $600 replacement cost? Who, ever, 
> broke a cast inlet manifold back in the day?...
> 
> Composite timing belts that snap every 100,000 miles...

Some are submerged in oil and break earlier. They decompose, clog the 
oil filter with debris, and the engine is totalled because of oil 
failure. Who was the idiot that thought submerging a rubber belt in oil 
was a good idea?

> 
> Engines that destroy themselves in a manufacturer's attempt to get 
> better gas mileage or emissions?
> 
> The cars are designed to last the warranty period and then be too 
> expensive to be worth fixing.
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76119

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-14 11:32 +0100
Message-ID<10cl8r6$2q6c4$18@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76117
On 14/10/2025 11:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-14 11:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 14/10/2025 09:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-10-14 07:24, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 10/13/25 15:05, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:24:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     Most USA cars, you can easily get to, replace, things like brake
>>>>>>     drums/discs/bearings without getting more extreme. But not 
>>>>>> EVERYBODY
>>>>>>     thought that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, sure...   When the master cylinder on my '51 Chevy failed it 
>>>>> became
>>>>> obvious that the cylinder had been bolted to the frame before the 
>>>>> body was
>>>>> added. There was a small plate to allow replacing fluid but no 
>>>>> provision
>>>>> for R&R.
>>>>
>>>>    Hey, 1951 ....
>>>>
>>>>    Drill the bolts and proceed.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm one of those strange people who looks under the hood when buying a
>>>>> car. I like to identify everything that may need maintenance and 
>>>>> make sure
>>>>> it's accessible.
>>>>
>>>>    THESE days ??? They INTENTIONALLY hide everything.
>>>
>>> These days what breaks are the electronic sensors. Mechanical is 
>>> eternal, almost :-)
>>>
>> Not if its made of *plastic*.
> 
> Hum. Yes. I repaired a radiator fan attachment part to the car body, 
> with epoxy resin with a fibre glass filling. The mechanic said *he* 
> could not do that (because he could not guarantee the repair for the 
> mandatory time), but me, sure, fine. The repair did hold till the car 
> was recycled.
> 
I remember my first encounter with a Ford radiator drain plug made on nylon.
The aftermarket brass one was *cheaper* than the replacement Ford part...


>>
>> Inlet manifolds made of plastic at a $600 replacement cost? Who, ever, 
>> broke a cast inlet manifold back in the day?...
>>
>> Composite timing belts that snap every 100,000 miles...
> 
> Some are submerged in oil and break earlier. They decompose, clog the 
> oil filter with debris, and the engine is totalled because of oil 
> failure. Who was the idiot that thought submerging a rubber belt in oil 
> was a good idea?
> 
Well you are supposed to *change* them, and the oil they run in, 
regularly...

You should watch the You tube channel 'I do cars' to see why regular oil 
changes and maintenance are a good idea.
The USA, having at best sketchy vehicle mandatory inspections, is a rich 
source of 'what happens if I drive it till it falls apart?' vehicles.

I used to manage a very small fleet of company cars. We would lease them 
and throw them back after a couple of years. Now mine did get 
maintained, but many people in that game would not. Beyond necessity. 
Tyres and brakes and that's it.

Beware the two year old car with 120,000 miles on the clock that has 
*never had an oil change*




-- 
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

― Confucius

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#76121

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-14 12:45 +0200
Message-ID<j6m1slxv55.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76119
On 2025-10-14 12:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/10/2025 11:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>>> Composite timing belts that snap every 100,000 miles...
>>
>> Some are submerged in oil and break earlier. They decompose, clog the 
>> oil filter with debris, and the engine is totalled because of oil 
>> failure. Who was the idiot that thought submerging a rubber belt in 
>> oil was a good idea?
>>
> Well you are supposed to *change* them, and the oil they run in, 
> regularly...

Even if you do, they break way before their due time.

It is a known issue, well published.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76136

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-14 22:05 +0000
Message-ID<ml7volFql0dU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76121
On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 12:45:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-10-14 12:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 14/10/2025 11:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>>>> Composite timing belts that snap every 100,000 miles...
>>>
>>> Some are submerged in oil and break earlier. They decompose, clog the
>>> oil filter with debris, and the engine is totalled because of oil
>>> failure. Who was the idiot that thought submerging a rubber belt in
>>> oil was a good idea?
>>>
>> Well you are supposed to *change* them, and the oil they run in,
>> regularly...
> 
> Even if you do, they break way before their due time.
> 
> It is a known issue, well published.

So far that seems to be mostly a European thing. The engine in my Toyota 
uses a chain. I did have a Geo, which was a rebadged Suzuki, had a dry 
belt. I didn't know the car's history but it was getting up toward 100K 
miles so I changed it. It was tight quarters but I've had worse jobs.

The belt on my Harley failed at 47K. It was quite odd. I came out from 
work, jumped on the bike, put it in gear, and nothing happened. The belt 
broke straight across with no real sign of damage. I'd always worried 
about rocks when riding on gravel roads but didn't see any evidence of 
that.

The new belt was about $150. That sounds pricey but compared to replacing 
chains and sometimes the sprocket plus the maintenance it was a good deal 
in the long run. Like belt in oil systems it was driven by the need to 
meet the noise requirements rather than a pure engineering decision. 

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#76148

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Message-ID<B3BHQ.499405$2R62.370309@fx13.iad>
In reply to#76136
On 2025-10-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

<timing belts>

I once had a 1984 Civic whose water pump seized.  It stripped
all the teeth off the timing belt - except for about a quarter
of an inch along one edge which was just enough to keep the
camshaft turning.  I was able to limp to a mechanic and get
it replaced, rather than trashing the engine.  I tip my hat
to the Honda engineers for that one - I like to think that
they deliberately offset the pulleys a bit for just that reason.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#76195

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-15 14:30 +0200
Message-ID<fog4slxhhd.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76136
On 2025-10-15 00:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 12:45:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-10-14 12:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 14/10/2025 11:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>>>> Composite timing belts that snap every 100,000 miles...
>>>>
>>>> Some are submerged in oil and break earlier. They decompose, clog the
>>>> oil filter with debris, and the engine is totalled because of oil
>>>> failure. Who was the idiot that thought submerging a rubber belt in
>>>> oil was a good idea?
>>>>
>>> Well you are supposed to *change* them, and the oil they run in,
>>> regularly...
>>
>> Even if you do, they break way before their due time.
>>
>> It is a known issue, well published.
> 
> So far that seems to be mostly a European thing.

Puretech.

You can read the articles with google translator:

<https://www.xataka.com/movilidad/correas-banadas-aceite-hundieron-completo-reputacion-stellantis-a-veces-olvidamos-que-no-fue-unica>

<https://mlin.es/2024/10/03/marcas-de-coches-con-correa-de-distribucion-banada-en-aceite/>

<https://www.autopista.es/noticias-motor/todos-coches-afectados-ya-por-problemas-motor-causa-correas-distribucion-en-aceite_306280_102.html>

English:

<https://www.reddit.com/r/peugeot/comments/18wtur8/is_the_puretech_12_engine_as_notoriously_bad_as/>

<https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/2208966.html>

<https://www.tiktok.com/@life.behind.cars/video/7523105415056362774>



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76134

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-14 21:47 +0000
Message-ID<ml7umjFql0dU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76119
On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 11:32:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The USA, having at best sketchy vehicle mandatory inspections, is a rich
> source of 'what happens if I drive it till it falls apart?' vehicles.

Like many things, this is on a state by state basis. This state has no 
inspection and there are surprisingly few rolling wrecks. New Hampshire 
had semi-annual inspections that could be a pain in the ass. I bought an 
old Dodge pickup and somewhere along the line someone with big truck 
aspirations had added clearance lights to the top of the cab. Completely 
nonstandard and not legally required but because they were there they had 
to work. I've also been flagged for lack of a horn. The only time I use a 
horn is by mistake but you had to have one. 

They were good business for repair shops. The dreaded 'your ball joints 
are worn' was good for several hundred dollars. 

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#76147

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Message-ID<B3BHQ.499404$2R62.303033@fx13.iad>
In reply to#76134
On 2025-10-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 11:32:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> The USA, having at best sketchy vehicle mandatory inspections, is a rich
>> source of 'what happens if I drive it till it falls apart?' vehicles.
>
> Like many things, this is on a state by state basis. This state has no 
> inspection and there are surprisingly few rolling wrecks. New Hampshire 
> had semi-annual inspections that could be a pain in the ass. I bought an 
> old Dodge pickup and somewhere along the line someone with big truck 
> aspirations had added clearance lights to the top of the cab. Completely 
> nonstandard and not legally required but because they were there they had 
> to work. I've also been flagged for lack of a horn. The only time I use a 
> horn is by mistake but you had to have one. 
>
> They were good business for repair shops. The dreaded 'your ball joints 
> are worn' was good for several hundred dollars. 

"They've got you by the ball joints."

We used to have vehicle inspection stations here in B.C. but the
provincial government shut them down around 1982 as a "cost-saving
measure".  (Compared to the billions they're tossing around these
days, it seems minor now.)  They did things like check brakes for
adequate and straight braking, check the exhaust system for leaks,
check the windshield for cracks, etc.  The inspection was mandatory
once a year, and you got a decal in the corner of your windshield
to prove to passing policemen that you passed.

It was pretty much a given that you'd flunk on headlights if
nothing else.  There was a service station next door to each
inspection station that did a good business adjusting headlights -
they had the same equipment that the inspection stations used.

I wish the inspection stations were still around.  Most modern
cars would fail due to overly-bright headlights aimed too high.
(Gotta dazzle the oncoming traffic, doncha know - the car ads
say it's cool.)  When we cross the border into Washington I
notice that headlights down there aren't nearly as obnoxious.
In fact, the last time I bought a replacement headlamp I noticed
that a number of them were marked "Legal in Canada and Mexico
only".  Apparently this is something the States got right.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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