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  New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-02 18:42 +0100
    Re: New Dell Latitude for linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-02 19:03 +0100
    Re: New Dell Latitude for linux ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2014-09-02 19:22 +0000
      Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-02 21:04 +0100
        Re: New Dell Latitude for linux chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2014-09-03 09:00 +0100
          Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-03 10:19 +0100
      Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-09-02 15:09 -0500
      Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Adrian C <email@here.invalid> - 2014-09-02 21:20 +0100
        Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-02 21:37 +0100
      Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2014-09-03 03:01 +0000
        Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-03 08:35 +0100
    Re: New Dell Latitude for linux chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2014-09-02 21:21 +0100
      Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-02 21:52 +0100
        Re: New Dell Latitude for linux chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2014-09-03 08:57 +0100
          Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-03 10:17 +0100
          Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-03 17:27 +0100
            Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2014-09-04 12:58 +0100
              Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-04 13:04 +0100
      Re: New Dell Latitude for linux tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> - 2014-09-03 08:36 +0100
        Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-09-03 08:46 +0100
          Re: New Dell Latitude for linux tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> - 2014-09-03 12:13 +0100
            Re: New Dell Latitude for linux Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2014-09-03 12:35 +0100

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#11879 — New Dell Latitude for linux

[uk.d-i-y because there are just as many people there who might have an 
opinion on this]


What would you choose:

Dell E6440, i5-5310M with Radeon HD8690M graphics but only 802.11a/b/g/n 
WIFI

or

Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI


And does anyone know if the 256GB SSD MiniCard disk option is any good?[1]

Any random thoughts? :)

BTW - Lenovo have stopped offering a "build your own" custom buy and the 
T series trackpads have gone down the pan according to reviews. So no 
more Lenovo.

Why Dell? Well I can get a decent academic discount as Dell supply my 
uni. And I quite like SWMBOs E6420 - at least it's form factor.

====

Basically, my old Lenovo T410i is giving up slowly. My "absolutes" are:

1 - 8-16GB RAM
2 - Medium CPU (i7 seems not much better than i5)
3 - Graphics that x.org can manage 3D for (eg GoogleEarth) plus VMware 
player needs to manage 3D support for guests.

4 - 500GB "spinning rust" HDD PLUS
256GB (ish) SDD for OS+home+VMWare-disks

5 - 802.11ac (I am going "ac" at home)

6 - 14-15 inch and vert res of 900 min. No smaller screen size and no 
bigger as it makes me unpopular on the train!

Works with linux
HDMI second screen

====

The only official Dell way to get the HDD options is an internal SSD 
MiniCard and a media bay mounted 500GB HDD

Personally I'd prefer to get a 500GB internal spinning HDD and buy a 
generic mediabay adaptor (NewModus prob - cannot find a Dell part) and 
stick a SanDisk Extreme II in as I know and trust these.


No 802.11ac is annoying but not a disaster as I *could* use a USB dongle....

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#11880

On 02/09/14 18:42, Tim Watts wrote:
> [uk.d-i-y because there are just as many people there who might have an
> opinion on this]
>
>
> What would you choose:
>
> Dell E6440, i5-5310M with Radeon HD8690M graphics but only 802.11a/b/g/n
> WIFI
>
> or
>
> Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
> 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI
>
>
> And does anyone know if the 256GB SSD MiniCard disk option is any good?[1]
>
> Any random thoughts? :)
>
> BTW - Lenovo have stopped offering a "build your own" custom buy and the
> T series trackpads have gone down the pan according to reviews. So no
> more Lenovo.
>
> Why Dell? Well I can get a decent academic discount as Dell supply my
> uni. And I quite like SWMBOs E6420 - at least it's form factor.
>
> ====
>
> Basically, my old Lenovo T410i is giving up slowly. My "absolutes" are:
>
> 1 - 8-16GB RAM
> 2 - Medium CPU (i7 seems not much better than i5)
> 3 - Graphics that x.org can manage 3D for (eg GoogleEarth) plus VMware
> player needs to manage 3D support for guests.
>
> 4 - 500GB "spinning rust" HDD PLUS
> 256GB (ish) SDD for OS+home+VMWare-disks
>
> 5 - 802.11ac (I am going "ac" at home)
>
> 6 - 14-15 inch and vert res of 900 min. No smaller screen size and no
> bigger as it makes me unpopular on the train!
>
> Works with linux
> HDMI second screen
>
> ====
>
> The only official Dell way to get the HDD options is an internal SSD
> MiniCard and a media bay mounted 500GB HDD
>
> Personally I'd prefer to get a 500GB internal spinning HDD and buy a
> generic mediabay adaptor (NewModus prob - cannot find a Dell part) and
> stick a SanDisk Extreme II in as I know and trust these.
>
>
> No 802.11ac is annoying but not a disaster as I *could* use a USB
> dongle....
>
>
>
I got a 'free' PC from my supplier because it was scrap (onbaord 
networking didn't work) . Its a thunderingly good machine running linux 
(Mint 17). With a separate ethernet card (also scrap) added to it..

Even gotta win XP license on it



-- 
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the 
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. – Erwin Knoll

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#11881

On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:42:11 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

> [uk.d-i-y because there are just as many people there who might have an
> opinion on this]
> 
> 
> What would you choose:
> 
> Dell E6440, i5-5310M with Radeon HD8690M graphics but only 802.11a/b/g/n
> WIFI
> 
> or
> 
> Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
> 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI
> 
> 

My preference would be the Intel graphics machine. The Intel graphics is 
very well supported.

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#11882

On 02/09/14 20:22, ray carter wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:42:11 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>> [uk.d-i-y because there are just as many people there who might have an
>> opinion on this]
>>
>>
>> What would you choose:
>>
>> Dell E6440, i5-5310M with Radeon HD8690M graphics but only 802.11a/b/g/n
>> WIFI
>>
>> or
>>
>> Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
>> 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI
>>
>>
>
> My preference would be the Intel graphics machine. The Intel graphics is
> very well supported.
>

Really - I'm glad to hear that.

My Lenovo with Intel graphics caused me a few problems because Linux 
could not support 3D acceleration on it.

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#11903

On 02/09/2014 21:04, Tim Watts wrote:
> On 02/09/14 20:22, ray carter wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:42:11 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
>>
>>> [uk.d-i-y because there are just as many people there who might have an
>>> opinion on this]
>>>
>>>
>>> What would you choose:
>>>
>>> Dell E6440, i5-5310M with Radeon HD8690M graphics but only 802.11a/b/g/n
>>> WIFI
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
>>> 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My preference would be the Intel graphics machine. The Intel graphics is
>> very well supported.
>>
>
> Really - I'm glad to hear that.
>
> My Lenovo with Intel graphics caused me a few problems because Linux
> could not support 3D acceleration on it.

Integrated Intel graphics have come on leaps-and-bounds in the last few 
years. No longer are they the puny bare minimum one used have to tolerate.

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#11905

On 03/09/14 09:00, chris wrote:

> Integrated Intel graphics have come on leaps-and-bounds in the last few
> years. No longer are they the puny bare minimum one used have to tolerate.
>
>

:) I am encouraged - I shall drop the "No Intel Graphics" from my 
list... Which means the E6440 meets the criteria IIRC - off to check.

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#11883

At 2 Sep 2014 19:22:43 GMT ray carter <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:42:11 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
> 
> > [uk.d-i-y because there are just as many people there who might have an
> > opinion on this]
> > 
> > 
> > What would you choose:
> > 
> > Dell E6440, i5-5310M with Radeon HD8690M graphics but only 802.11a/b/g/n
> > WIFI
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
> > 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI
> > 
> > 
> 
> My preference would be the Intel graphics machine. The Intel graphics is 
> very well supported.

And if it has Intel WiFi, that would also be a plus.  Intel WiFi cards/chips 
are also very well supported.

>                                                                                                              

-- 
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Deepwoods Software        -- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/  -- Linux Administration Services
heller@deepsoft.com       -- Webhosting Services
                                                     

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#11884

On 02/09/14 20:22, ray carter wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:42:11 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>> [uk.d-i-y because there are just as many people there who might have an
>> opinion on this]
>>
>>
>> What would you choose:
>>
>> Dell E6440, i5-5310M with Radeon HD8690M graphics but only 802.11a/b/g/n
>> WIFI
>>
>> or
>>
>> Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
>> 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI
>>
>>
>
> My preference would be the Intel graphics machine. The Intel graphics is
> very well supported.
>
+1

Both actually have Intel graphics, the E6440 here is a hybrid graphics 
model featuring both Intel HD 4600 & AMD HD8690M.

The HD8690M is supported by an AMD driver, but AMD doesn't show support 
further than Ubuntu 14.04 AFAICS but that may change.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Latest-LINUX-Beta-Driver.aspx

So someone here is having fun ...

"Angry At wits end with Dell Inspiron/AMD Radeon HD 8670M"
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204332

Currently these users end up running the Intel graphics.


-- 
Adrian C

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#11887

On 02/09/14 21:20, Adrian C wrote:
> On 02/09/14 20:22, ray carter wrote:

>> My preference would be the Intel graphics machine. The Intel graphics is
>> very well supported.
>>
> +1
>
> Both actually have Intel graphics, the E6440 here is a hybrid graphics
> model featuring both Intel HD 4600 & AMD HD8690M.
>
> The HD8690M is supported by an AMD driver, but AMD doesn't show support
> further than Ubuntu 14.04 AFAICS but that may change.
>
> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Latest-LINUX-Beta-Driver.aspx
>
>
> So someone here is having fun ...
>
> "Angry At wits end with Dell Inspiron/AMD Radeon HD 8670M"
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204332
>
> Currently these users end up running the Intel graphics.

Thanks! Rather a turnaround... Radeon used to have very good support...

Pity there are no Nvidia options.

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#11893

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
On 2014-09-02, ray carter <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:42:11 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>> [uk.d-i-y because there are just as many people there who might have an
>> opinion on this]
>> 
>> 
>> What would you choose:
>> 
>> Dell E6440, i5-5310M with Radeon HD8690M graphics but only 802.11a/b/g/n
>> WIFI
>> 
>> or
>> 
>> Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
>> 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI
>> 
>> 
>
> My preference would be the Intel graphics machine. The Intel graphics is 
> very well supported.

However, be a little cautious with very new hardware, because it
is possible your favorite distribution might not have released a
version of kernel and Xorg that support the latest hardware.

For example, I just put a Haswell i5-4690 in an Asus H97M-Plus
motherboard and tried to run Tinycore 5.x on it.  After a little
searching, I found an X server in the Tinycore TCZs that works
with both monitors (as long as I don't map the low-res monitor
exactly on top of the VLC video window).  However, the 3.8.13
kernel won't drive the on-board audio or on-board NIC.  (Yes, the
audio and NIC are related to the board rather than the CPU.)

HTH

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#11898

On 03/09/14 04:01, Robert Riches wrote:

> However, be a little cautious with very new hardware, because it
> is possible your favorite distribution might not have released a
> version of kernel and Xorg that support the latest hardware.
>
> For example, I just put a Haswell i5-4690 in an Asus H97M-Plus
> motherboard and tried to run Tinycore 5.x on it.  After a little
> searching, I found an X server in the Tinycore TCZs that works
> with both monitors (as long as I don't map the low-res monitor
> exactly on top of the VLC video window).  However, the 3.8.13
> kernel won't drive the on-board audio or on-board NIC.  (Yes, the
> audio and NIC are related to the board rather than the CPU.)
>
> HTH
>

It does - thanks! :)

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#11885

On 02/09/2014 18:42, Tim Watts wrote:
> [uk.d-i-y because there are just as many people there who might have an
> opinion on this]
>
>
> What would you choose:
>
> Dell E6440, i5-5310M with Radeon HD8690M graphics but only 802.11a/b/g/n
> WIFI
>
> or
>
> Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
> 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI

I can't find this one. Do you mean E7440?

>
> And does anyone know if the 256GB SSD MiniCard disk option is any good?[1]
>
> Any random thoughts? :)
>
> BTW - Lenovo have stopped offering a "build your own" custom buy and the
> T series trackpads have gone down the pan according to reviews. So no
> more Lenovo.
>
> Why Dell? Well I can get a decent academic discount as Dell supply my
> uni. And I quite like SWMBOs E6420 - at least it's form factor.

I really wouldn't go with a Dell. Or at least make sure you get a 
support package. Some at work have them and they do break down...

Having said that, why not try the Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu pre-installed:
http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-9333/pd?oc=sbnb2328&model_id=xps-13-9333

It's a very high quality screen and nice and light without compromising 
on performance.

> ====
>
> Basically, my old Lenovo T410i is giving up slowly. My "absolutes" are:
>
> 1 - 8-16GB RAM

I'd go with as much as you can get.

> 2 - Medium CPU (i7 seems not much better than i5)
> 3 - Graphics that x.org can manage 3D for (eg GoogleEarth) plus VMware
> player needs to manage 3D support for guests.

I'd go with Intel, Radeon are often hard to configure. I still can't get 
accelerated 3D to work on my desktop.

> 4 - 500GB "spinning rust" HDD PLUS
> 256GB (ish) SDD for OS+home+VMWare-disks

How are you going to get two disks in the above laptops?

> 5 - 802.11ac (I am going "ac" at home)
>
> 6 - 14-15 inch and vert res of 900 min. No smaller screen size and no
> bigger as it makes me unpopular on the train!
>
> Works with linux
> HDMI second screen

Not a problem.

> ====
>
> The only official Dell way to get the HDD options is an internal SSD
> MiniCard and a media bay mounted 500GB HDD
>
> Personally I'd prefer to get a 500GB internal spinning HDD and buy a
> generic mediabay adaptor (NewModus prob - cannot find a Dell part) and
> stick a SanDisk Extreme II in as I know and trust these.

HDDs are getting rarer in laptops now. I wouldn't go back to HDDs - the 
performance improvement you get with SSDs is a big bonus.

>
> No 802.11ac is annoying but not a disaster as I *could* use a USB
> dongle....
>
>
>

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#11888

On 02/09/14 21:21, chris wrote:

>>
>> Dell E7740, i5-4310U with Intel HD 4400 Haswell graphics with
>> 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WIFI
>
> I can't find this one. Do you mean E7440?

Yes, sorry. Spazzy typing...

>>
>> And does anyone know if the 256GB SSD MiniCard disk option is any
>> good?[1]
>>
>> Any random thoughts? :)
>>
>> BTW - Lenovo have stopped offering a "build your own" custom buy and the
>> T series trackpads have gone down the pan according to reviews. So no
>> more Lenovo.
>>
>> Why Dell? Well I can get a decent academic discount as Dell supply my
>> uni. And I quite like SWMBOs E6420 - at least it's form factor.
>
> I really wouldn't go with a Dell. Or at least make sure you get a
> support package. Some at work have them and they do break down...

Luckily the 5 years next day on site costs very little on an academic 
purchase...

Every laptop I've ever owned had some sort of problem in 5 years. HP - 
the hinges broke. Lenovo fan is dying and the touchpad covering fell off.

> Having said that, why not try the Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu pre-installed:
> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-9333/pd?oc=sbnb2328&model_id=xps-13-9333
>
>
> It's a very high quality screen and nice and light without compromising
> on performance.

It does tick a lot of the boxes. Unfortunately it seems to have no 
touchpad buttons (not real ones anyway).

Sorry - I could not list every detail, but I use the TP heavily and like 
2 or 3 real buttons. In act I always disable "soft click" as it always 
misfires when I use TPs.

But I am impressed by the screen specs.

How do you find the TP?

>> ====
>>
>> Basically, my old Lenovo T410i is giving up slowly. My "absolutes" are:
>>
>> 1 - 8-16GB RAM
>
> I'd go with as much as you can get.
>
>> 2 - Medium CPU (i7 seems not much better than i5)
>> 3 - Graphics that x.org can manage 3D for (eg GoogleEarth) plus VMware
>> player needs to manage 3D support for guests.
>
> I'd go with Intel, Radeon are often hard to configure. I still can't get
> accelerated 3D to work on my desktop.

+anotherone for Intel...

>> 4 - 500GB "spinning rust" HDD PLUS
>> 256GB (ish) SDD for OS+home+VMWare-disks
>
> How are you going to get two disks in the above laptops?

Mediabay adaptor - like I did with the Lenovo. I never use the DVD so 
that gets pulled out.

>> 5 - 802.11ac (I am going "ac" at home)
>>
>> 6 - 14-15 inch and vert res of 900 min. No smaller screen size and no
>> bigger as it makes me unpopular on the train!
>>
>> Works with linux
>> HDMI second screen
>
> Not a problem.

+1

>> ====
>>
>> The only official Dell way to get the HDD options is an internal SSD
>> MiniCard and a media bay mounted 500GB HDD
>>
>> Personally I'd prefer to get a 500GB internal spinning HDD and buy a
>> generic mediabay adaptor (NewModus prob - cannot find a Dell part) and
>> stick a SanDisk Extreme II in as I know and trust these.
>
> HDDs are getting rarer in laptops now. I wouldn't go back to HDDs - the
> performance improvement you get with SSDs is a big bonus.

It's still cost - I need 750GB but 500GB can be slow - hence the dual 
disk approach.


Thanks for the ideas!

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#11902

On 02/09/2014 21:52, Tim Watts wrote:
> On 02/09/14 21:21, chris wrote:
>
>> I really wouldn't go with a Dell. Or at least make sure you get a
>> support package. Some at work have them and they do break down...
>
> Luckily the 5 years next day on site costs very little on an academic
> purchase...

Good.

> Every laptop I've ever owned had some sort of problem in 5 years. HP -
> the hinges broke. Lenovo fan is dying and the touchpad covering fell off.
>
>> Having said that, why not try the Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu pre-installed:
>> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-9333/pd?oc=sbnb2328&model_id=xps-13-9333
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a very high quality screen and nice and light without compromising
>> on performance.
>
> It does tick a lot of the boxes. Unfortunately it seems to have no
> touchpad buttons (not real ones anyway).
>
> Sorry - I could not list every detail, but I use the TP heavily and like
> 2 or 3 real buttons. In act I always disable "soft click" as it always
> misfires when I use TPs.
>
> But I am impressed by the screen specs.
>
> How do you find the TP?

Sorry, I don't have one. A colleague does and I've not heard him 
complain about the touchpad.

Personally, I always use an external mouse for day-to-day usage. When I 
do use a touchpad I hate physical buttons and get really frustrated when 
I borrow someone else's laptop which has buttons.

>>> ====
>>>
>>> Basically, my old Lenovo T410i is giving up slowly. My "absolutes" are:
>>>
>>> 1 - 8-16GB RAM
>>
>> I'd go with as much as you can get.
>>
>>> 2 - Medium CPU (i7 seems not much better than i5)
>>> 3 - Graphics that x.org can manage 3D for (eg GoogleEarth) plus VMware
>>> player needs to manage 3D support for guests.
>>
>> I'd go with Intel, Radeon are often hard to configure. I still can't get
>> accelerated 3D to work on my desktop.
>
> +anotherone for Intel...
>
>>> 4 - 500GB "spinning rust" HDD PLUS
>>> 256GB (ish) SDD for OS+home+VMWare-disks
>>
>> How are you going to get two disks in the above laptops?
>
> Mediabay adaptor - like I did with the Lenovo. I never use the DVD so
> that gets pulled out.

Is that still possible with current laptops? More and more manufacturers 
are moving to the ultrabook model where nothing is user upgradeable (not 
even RAM!).

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#11904

On 03/09/14 08:57, chris wrote:
> On 02/09/2014 21:52, Tim Watts wrote:

>> How do you find the TP?
>
> Sorry, I don't have one. A colleague does and I've not heard him
> complain about the touchpad.
>
> Personally, I always use an external mouse for day-to-day usage. When I
> do use a touchpad I hate physical buttons and get really frustrated when
> I borrow someone else's laptop which has buttons.

I have to use it on the train (no space for  amouse) - but I do use an 
external KB and mouse when at home.

>> Mediabay adaptor - like I did with the Lenovo. I never use the DVD so
>> that gets pulled out.
>
> Is that still possible with current laptops? More and more manufacturers
> are moving to the ultrabook model where nothing is user upgradeable (not
> even RAM!).

The Latitude E6xxx models *do* have a mediabay (even Dell have HDDs in 
bay adaptors, just don't sell the adaptor empty, but you can get clones 
from people like NewModus).

I believe with the E6xxx series, everything is very accessible from 
underneath:


http://prohardver.hu/dl/cnt/2014-03/107212/pic/dell_latitude_e6440_inside_b.jpg

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#11909

On 03/09/14 08:57, chris wrote:

>>> How are you going to get two disks in the above laptops?
>>
>> Mediabay adaptor - like I did with the Lenovo. I never use the DVD so
>> that gets pulled out.
>
> Is that still possible with current laptops? More and more manufacturers
> are moving to the ultrabook model where nothing is user upgradeable (not
> even RAM!).

OK - bit of research:

E7xxx do not have media bays.

However, if you don't have the WWAN (3G/4G mobile data) option, 
apparantly it is possible to mount an mSATA minicard flash in the same slot.

In fact according to various forum postings, this is the default if you 
but a minicard SSD - even to the point where Dell save £2.57 or 
something by NOT supplying the SATA connector to the main bay!

the online configurator will not let me choos 2 disks though so I've put 
it to our sales rep.

Failing that, I might buy with either a 500GB SATA and fit my own 240GB 
minicard or buy with the cheapest SATA HDD and throw it away in favour 
of a 480/500GB SSD that might be sufficient...

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#11931

In article <25sjdb-095.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net>, Tim Watts wrote:
> I might buy with either a 500GB SATA and fit my own 240GB minicard
> or buy with the cheapest SATA HDD and throw it away in favour of a
> 480/500GB SSD that might be sufficient...

Or a 1TB hybrid drive, maybe?
-- 
Cheers,
 Daniel.
 

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#11933

On 04/09/14 12:58, Daniel James wrote:
> In article <25sjdb-095.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net>, Tim Watts wrote:
>> I might buy with either a 500GB SATA and fit my own 240GB minicard
>> or buy with the cheapest SATA HDD and throw it away in favour of a
>> 480/500GB SSD that might be sufficient...
>
> Or a 1TB hybrid drive, maybe?
>

Did consider that but not having tried one, I feel happier with manual 
control over what goes where :)

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#11899

>> Why Dell? Well I can get a decent academic discount as Dell supply my
>> uni. And I quite like SWMBOs E6420 - at least it's form factor.
>
>I really wouldn't go with a Dell. Or at least make sure you get a 
>support package. Some at work have them and they do break down...

Well we do have one and it did develop a hard drive fault but they sent
someone around to us!, we didn't have to send it off anywhere they came
and replaced it on site here:)...

-- 
Tony Sayer

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#11901

On 03/09/14 08:36, tony sayer wrote:
>>> Why Dell? Well I can get a decent academic discount as Dell supply my
>>> uni. And I quite like SWMBOs E6420 - at least it's form factor.
>>
>> I really wouldn't go with a Dell. Or at least make sure you get a
>> support package. Some at work have them and they do break down...
>
> Well we do have one and it did develop a hard drive fault but they sent
> someone around to us!, we didn't have to send it off anywhere they came
> and replaced it on site here:)...
>

Dell's service is ace if you pay.

I would take the next day on site option as it's not a lot extra.

My work gear as 4 hour on site - I can get an email in the morning about 
a failed SAN disk and have it in my hands by 2pm, and have the old one 
boxed and ready for their courier to collect by 5pm.

An engineer is optional - I fit myself as it woul dbe as much effort to 
go top the datacentre to escort their man in as it is to fit the disk 
myself.

That's *not* cheap though...

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