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Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

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  Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-26 14:04 +0200
    Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 13:13 +0100
      Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-26 15:23 +0200
        Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 19:43 +0100
    Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 08:31 -0700
      Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-26 17:52 +0100
        Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 10:01 -0700
        Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 19:44 +0100
      Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-08-26 17:26 +0000
        Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-26 17:47 +0000
          Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-26 18:19 +0000
          Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-26 20:25 +0000
            Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 21:44 +0100
            Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-26 21:12 +0000
      Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-27 22:09 +0000
        Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 23:00 +0000
          Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-28 09:10 +0000
          Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:02 +0200
            Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:17 +0100
              Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-09-03 11:10 +0100
                Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 11:55 +0100
                Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-09-03 14:13 +0000
                  Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 23:11 +0000
                  Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-09-04 10:10 +0200
                  Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-09-06 17:38 +0000
                    Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-06 15:16 -0700
                      Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-09-06 22:39 +0000
                        Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 18:46 -0400
                          Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-09-06 23:00 +0000
                            Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-09-07 15:57 -0400
                        Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 18:48 -0400
                        Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 04:11 -0400
                        Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-09-07 14:43 -0400
                          Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-08 08:10 -0700
                      Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alan Bowler <alantbowler@gmail.com> - 2025-09-29 14:07 -0400
                        Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-29 12:57 -0700
                          Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-29 23:12 -0400
                Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 23:09 +0000
                  Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 07:48 -0700
                    Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-04 20:51 +0000
    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-26 20:21 +0000
      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-27 16:40 +0200
        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 08:30 -0700
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-28 10:09 +0200
        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-27 19:04 +0100
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 22:58 +0000
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 04:06 -0400
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-09-03 14:53 +0100
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-09-03 20:43 +0100
        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 22:58 +0000
        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 03:26 -0400
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-28 15:56 -0700
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-29 00:58 +0000
        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:50 +0100
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-08-31 20:15 +0000
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-29 12:46 +0200
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:28 +0100
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-08-29 14:40 +0000
              Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-29 23:13 +0200
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 03:28 +0000
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
              Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 03:27 +0000
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 00:25 -0400
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-30 12:19 +0000
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 13:37 +0200
                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-31 18:23 +0200
                      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 17:37 +0000
                      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-31 22:24 +0000
                        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 02:35 +0200
                          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-01 07:55 -0700
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:23 +0000
                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-09-01 11:52 +0000
                      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:11 +0200
                      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-04 10:41 +0000
                        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 18:38 +0000
                          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-04 18:42 +0000
                            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-04 20:58 +0000
                              Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 05:08 -0400
                                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 08:03 -0700
                                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-05 12:15 -0700
                                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 11:17 +0100
                                      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-06 07:31 -0700
                                        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-09-09 21:32 +0000
                                          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-09 15:30 -0700
                                          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-09 22:56 +0000
                                            Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-10 11:10 +0200
                                              Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-10 14:23 +0000
                                                Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-09-10 14:11 -0400
                                                  Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-10 21:07 +0200
                                                    Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-10 19:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-10 20:13 +0000
                          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-09-04 22:22 +0100
                            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 22:35 +0000
                            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 05:06 -0400
                          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-09-05 12:02 +0000
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-08-30 18:30 +0000
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 22:20 +0000
                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-31 18:25 +0200
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-02 21:46 +0000
                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:44 +0000
                      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:55 +0000
                        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-09-03 14:31 +0200
                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-09-03 01:22 +0200
                      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-09-03 01:13 +0000
              Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-08-31 20:20 +0000
              Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-09-01 14:46 +0300
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-01 14:33 +0000
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-01 08:03 -0700
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:53 +0200
          Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-29 17:09 +0000
            Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:18 +0100
              Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
                Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:54 +0000
                  Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 03:06 -0400
                    Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:28 +0100
                      Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 05:30 -0400
                        Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 11:59 +0100
                          Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:26 -0400
                          Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:36 +0000
                    Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:31 +0000
                      Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                        Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 03:10 +0000
                Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:13 +0100
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-29 22:27 +0000
      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-29 21:12 +0200
        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-29 20:52 +0000
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:34 +0000
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-30 11:51 +0200
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-30 15:54 +0000
              Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-30 12:13 -0700
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-30 19:27 +0000
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-30 14:45 -0700
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-02 14:45 -0700
                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-09-03 10:40 +0000
                      Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 07:59 -0700
                        Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 17:38 +0000
                          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-03 17:51 +0000
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-02 22:03 +0000
              Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-08-30 19:34 -0400
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 13:44 +0200
              Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-01 02:36 +0000
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 01:52 -0400
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:26 +0200
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-01 08:01 -0700
                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 18:12 +0000
                    Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 20:15 +0200
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:20 +0200
          Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-30 11:49 +0200
            Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-30 17:39 +0000
              Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-31 12:40 +0200
                Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-31 08:19 -0700
                  Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-31 20:10 +0200

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#73480 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

My "new" computer is set up to dusl-boot Win 10 and Linux, sharing an 
NTFS data partition. I had to disable all that nonsense in windows to 
avoid blocking Linux access to data.

On 9/5/25 08:03, John Ames wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 05:08:43 -0400
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> To put it kindly .........
>>
>> -IX has become better at dealing with soft-shutdown than Win.
> 
> Win10 started playing all kinds of games with true shutdown vs. some
> kind of "deep suspend" - I'm pretty sure they were trying to improve
> "boot time" without actually having to *improve boot time,* but it was
> immensely counterproductive since NT has always leaked memory like a
> sieve and a full reboot is the only way to clear it up. I think they
> walked back some of the shenanigans in later updates, but on early
> revisions of 10 it was practically impossible to get it to perform a
> clean shutdown without holding in the power button 'til the machine
> itself cut out, though invoking shutdown from the command line
> sometimes seemed to work.
> 

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#73517 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On 2025-09-05, Peter Flass wrote:

>
> On 9/5/25 08:03, John Ames wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 05:08:43 -0400
>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> To put it kindly .........
>>>
>>> -IX has become better at dealing with soft-shutdown than Win.
>>
>> Win10 started playing all kinds of games with true shutdown vs. some
>> kind of "deep suspend" - I'm pretty sure they were trying to improve
>> "boot time" without actually having to *improve boot time,* but it was
>> immensely counterproductive since NT has always leaked memory like a
>> sieve and a full reboot is the only way to clear it up. I think they
>> walked back some of the shenanigans in later updates, but on early
>> revisions of 10 it was practically impossible to get it to perform a
>> clean shutdown without holding in the power button 'til the machine
>> itself cut out, though invoking shutdown from the command line
>> sometimes seemed to work.
>>
> My "new" computer is set up to dusl-boot Win 10 and Linux, sharing an
> NTFS data partition. I had to disable all that nonsense in windows to
> avoid blocking Linux access to data.

This being MICROS~1, maybe that was intentional on their part, to make
dual-booting more difficult?

After all, hasn't NT supported hibernation for ages?


How easy/hard is it do disable this feature and restore proper shutdown?

-- 
Nuno Silva

(Of all the crossposted posts on comp.os.linux.misc, this one isn't
x-posted to the windows group? :-D )

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#73552 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On 9/6/25 03:17, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2025-09-05, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
>>
>> On 9/5/25 08:03, John Ames wrote:
>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 05:08:43 -0400
>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To put it kindly .........
>>>>
>>>> -IX has become better at dealing with soft-shutdown than Win.
>>>
>>> Win10 started playing all kinds of games with true shutdown vs. some
>>> kind of "deep suspend" - I'm pretty sure they were trying to improve
>>> "boot time" without actually having to *improve boot time,* but it was
>>> immensely counterproductive since NT has always leaked memory like a
>>> sieve and a full reboot is the only way to clear it up. I think they
>>> walked back some of the shenanigans in later updates, but on early
>>> revisions of 10 it was practically impossible to get it to perform a
>>> clean shutdown without holding in the power button 'til the machine
>>> itself cut out, though invoking shutdown from the command line
>>> sometimes seemed to work.
>>>
>> My "new" computer is set up to dusl-boot Win 10 and Linux, sharing an
>> NTFS data partition. I had to disable all that nonsense in windows to
>> avoid blocking Linux access to data.
> 
> This being MICROS~1, maybe that was intentional on their part, to make
> dual-booting more difficult?
> 
> After all, hasn't NT supported hibernation for ages?
> 
> 
> How easy/hard is it do disable this feature and restore proper shutdown?
> 

Not really hard, but it's not obvious that you have to, or should have 
to, do it. Then there are a couple of tweaks to disable windows 
"features".  On the other hand, maybe someone will update Linux NTFS 
support to handle this. I *think* the problem is that windoze caches 
some filesystem changes and leave everything in an inconsistent state,

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#73786 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On 2025-09-06, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote:
>              On the other hand, maybe someone will update Linux NTFS 
> support to handle this. I *think* the problem is that windoze caches 
> some filesystem changes and leave everything in an inconsistent state,

So windows does not have an equivalent to "sync;sync;sync" that it could
do before hibernating? The mind boggles ...

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#73789 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On 9/9/25 14:32, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2025-09-06, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote:
>>               On the other hand, maybe someone will update Linux NTFS
>> support to handle this. I *think* the problem is that windoze caches
>> some filesystem changes and leave everything in an inconsistent state,
> 
> So windows does not have an equivalent to "sync;sync;sync" that it could
> do before hibernating? The mind boggles ...

Apparently. I didn't do a lot of research, but I encountered this 
problem, I read this, made the suggested changes to windows, and it worked.

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#73791 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On Tue, 9 Sep 2025 21:32:20 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> So windows does not have an equivalent to "sync;sync;sync" ...

On Linux, you need to do it once.

Or rather, doing it multiple times doesn’t help much.

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#73820 — Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth]

On 2025-09-10 00:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2025 21:32:20 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
> 
>> So windows does not have an equivalent to "sync;sync;sync" ...
> 
> On Linux, you need to do it once.
> 
> Or rather, doing it multiple times doesn’t help much.
> 

«When thou shuttest down the system, thou shalt sync three times. No 
more, no less. Three shall be the number of the syncing, and the number 
of the syncing shall be three. Four times shalt thou not sync, neither 
sync twice, except that thou proceedest to sync a third time...»


Tradition! :-D

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#73836 — Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth]

On 2025-09-10, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2025-09-10 00:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2025 21:32:20 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> 
>>> So windows does not have an equivalent to "sync;sync;sync" ...
>> 
>> On Linux, you need to do it once.
>> 
>> Or rather, doing it multiple times doesn’t help much.
>
> «When thou shuttest down the system, thou shalt sync three times. No 
> more, no less. Three shall be the number of the syncing, and the number 
> of the syncing shall be three. Four times shalt thou not sync, neither 
> sync twice, except that thou proceedest to sync a third time...»
>
> Tradition! :-D

    Sync three times on the console if you want me.
    Close all the pipes if the answer is no.
      -- Tony Orlando and Dawn 2.0

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#73844 — Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth]

On 9/10/25 10:23, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-09-10, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-09-10 00:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2025 21:32:20 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> So windows does not have an equivalent to "sync;sync;sync" ...
>>>
>>> On Linux, you need to do it once.
>>>
>>> Or rather, doing it multiple times doesn’t help much.
>>
>> «When thou shuttest down the system, thou shalt sync three times. No
>> more, no less. Three shall be the number of the syncing, and the number
>> of the syncing shall be three. Four times shalt thou not sync, neither
>> sync twice, except that thou proceedest to sync a third time...»
>>
>> Tradition! :-D
> 
>      Sync three times on the console if you want me.
>      Close all the pipes if the answer is no.
>        -- Tony Orlando and Dawn 2.0
> 
Why do you need to sync three times?

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#73848 — Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth]

On 2025-09-10 20:11, geodandw wrote:
> On 9/10/25 10:23, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2025-09-10, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-09-10 00:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2025 21:32:20 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So windows does not have an equivalent to "sync;sync;sync" ...
>>>>
>>>> On Linux, you need to do it once.
>>>>
>>>> Or rather, doing it multiple times doesn’t help much.
>>>
>>> «When thou shuttest down the system, thou shalt sync three times. No
>>> more, no less. Three shall be the number of the syncing, and the number
>>> of the syncing shall be three. Four times shalt thou not sync, neither
>>> sync twice, except that thou proceedest to sync a third time...»
>>>
>>> Tradition! :-D
>>
>>      Sync three times on the console if you want me.
>>      Close all the pipes if the answer is no.
>>        -- Tony Orlando and Dawn 2.0
>>
> Why do you need to sync three times?

Initially, it wasn't clear that a single sync would do it. Now, it is 
accepted that a single sync is enough, plus we have journaled filesystems.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#73851 — Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth]

On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 21:07:26 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-09-10 20:11, geodandw wrote:
>>
>> Why do you need to sync three times?
> 
> Initially, it wasn't clear that a single sync would do it. Now, it is
> accepted that a single sync is enough, plus we have journaled
> filesystems.

In old “Unix”, the sync call was not guaranteed to complete immediately. 
For some reason, that bug was never fixed.

Linux fixes the bug. But as others have pointed out, this is still not 
foolproof, because it will not catch filesystem activity happening *after* 
the sync. Repeating the sync 3 times, or any number of times, makes no 
difference to this.

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#73860 — Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth]

Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 21:07:26 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> On 2025-09-10 20:11, geodandw wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do you need to sync three times?
>> 
>> Initially, it wasn't clear that a single sync would do it. Now, it is
>> accepted that a single sync is enough, plus we have journaled
>> filesystems.
>
>In old “Unix”, the sync call was not guaranteed to complete immediately. 
>For some reason, that bug was never fixed.

Your assumption that it was a bug is incorrect.

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#73404 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On Thu, 04 Sep 2025 18:38:23 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2025-09-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > For the pre ATX PSU's (AT PSU's), the physical power switch that 
> > interrupted mains power was the switch that was mounted in the front of 
> > the case that user's used to turn on/off the machine.
> 
> I saw some machines where the actual switch was in the power supply
> at the back of the machine, but it was activated via a long rod that
> ended in a button on the front panel.
> 

PS2  ?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PS/2_Model_30#/media/File:IBM_PS-2_Model_30_286_open_top.jpg

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#73408 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On 2025-09-04, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Sep 2025 18:38:23 GMT
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-09-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> For the pre ATX PSU's (AT PSU's), the physical power switch that 
>>> interrupted mains power was the switch that was mounted in the front of 
>>> the case that user's used to turn on/off the machine.
>> 
>> I saw some machines where the actual switch was in the power supply
>> at the back of the machine, but it was activated via a long rod that
>> ended in a button on the front panel.
>
> PS2  ?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PS/2_Model_30#/media/File:IBM_PS-2_Model_30_286_open_top.jpg

Not quite, although that one is interesting.  But rather than
a toggle switch, the machine I'm thinking of had a pushbutton.
And rather than a wire that pushed or pulled the toggle switch,
there was a plastic rod (molded in such a way that it wouldn't
flex) that relayed a push on the front-panel button to the
pushbutton on the power supply.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
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#73428 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On 9/4/25 5:22 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2025 18:38:23 GMT
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-09-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> For the pre ATX PSU's (AT PSU's), the physical power switch that
>>> interrupted mains power was the switch that was mounted in the front of
>>> the case that user's used to turn on/off the machine.
>>
>> I saw some machines where the actual switch was in the power supply
>> at the back of the machine, but it was activated via a long rod that
>> ended in a button on the front panel.
>>
> 
> PS2  ?
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PS/2_Model_30#/media/File:IBM_PS-2_Model_30_286_open_top.jpg

   USUALLY you can just hold the power button down
   for about five seconds. FAIR shutdown.

   Have to do it often with this unit ... SOMETHING hangs
   these days, can't find it. Logs reveal little, much
   less REASONS.

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#73455 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

In alt.folklore.computers Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-09-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> For the pre ATX PSU's (AT PSU's), the physical power switch that 
>> interrupted mains power was the switch that was mounted in the front of 
>> the case that user's used to turn on/off the machine.
> 
> I saw some machines where the actual switch was in the power supply
> at the back of the machine, but it was activated via a long rod that
> ended in a button on the front panel.

I still have Olivetti PC enclosure (but nothing beside power supply
inside) that uses this method.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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#72767 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 03:27 this Saturday (GMT):
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:51:18 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> But there definitely was a period before that where the button vanished
>> (although there would have been motherboard pins if you wanted to dig
>> into it).
>
> Apple included a little springy clip thing (the “Programmers’s Switch”) in 
> the box with each of those original classic-form-factor Macintoshes. When 
> installed, pressing one side triggered NMI (used for invoking the resident 
> debugger), while the other side triggered the RESET line (hard reboot).
>
> I still have the muscle memory: seated in front of the machine, reach 
> around with right hand, far side was NMI, near side was RESET.


That's pretty cool, I always wished there was a physical switch to
trigger a debugger since the system might be frozen...
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#72791 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 18:30:11 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 03:27 this Saturday (GMT):
>>
>> Apple included a little springy clip thing (the “Programmers’s
>> Switch”) in the box with each of those original classic-form-factor
>> Macintoshes. When installed, pressing one side triggered NMI (used
>> for invoking the resident debugger) ...
>
> That's pretty cool, I always wished there was a physical switch to
> trigger a debugger since the system might be frozen...

It only worked because there was a mini-debugger in ROM to hook that
interrupt. Or, you could install “MacsBug” at boot time, which would
take over that interrupt and offer much more sophisticated
functionality.

The Linux kernel offers something similar, but again that assumes that
keyboard handling (or alternatively, serial port handling) is still
functioning <https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/sysrq.html>.

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#72831 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
> The Linux kernel offers something similar, but again that assumes that
> keyboard handling (or alternatively, serial port handling) is still
> functioning <https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/sysrq.html>.

Although the keyboard handler being functional these days also tends
to require the USB stacks (both hard- and software) still being
sufficiently functional, because that's what the keyboard is wired to.

Kind regards,
           Alex.
-- 
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
 looks like work."                                      -- Thomas A. Edison

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#73076 — Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth

On 2025-08-30, candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
										
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 03:27 this Saturday (GMT):
>
>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:51:18 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> But there definitely was a period before that where the button vanished
>>> (although there would have been motherboard pins if you wanted to dig
>>> into it).
>>
>> Apple included a little springy clip thing (the “Programmers’s Switch”) in 
>> the box with each of those original classic-form-factor Macintoshes. When 
>> installed, pressing one side triggered NMI (used for invoking the resident 
>> debugger), while the other side triggered the RESET line (hard reboot).
>>
>> I still have the muscle memory: seated in front of the machine, reach 
>> around with right hand, far side was NMI, near side was RESET.
>
> That's pretty cool, I always wished there was a physical switch to
> trigger a debugger since the system might be frozen...

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you want a reset button
rather than having to resort to the power switch.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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