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| First post | 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400 |
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Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-04 06:19 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 07:52 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:45 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:22 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:08 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:04 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 13:56 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 17:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:47 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:46 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:34 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:16 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 20:31 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:45 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:52 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:34 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 08:47 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-08 04:06 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 07:54 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 04:26 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:15 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-06 08:59 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:25 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:55 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:10 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:53 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:13 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:08 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 03:52 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:12 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:40 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:21 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 09:27 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 18:55 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-07 17:13 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:32 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 22:04 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 19:24 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon [OT] "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:30 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:46 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 09:39 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:52 +0100
[OT] Paywalling health services (was: Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 10:59 +0100
Re: [OT] Paywalling health services The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 13:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 09:21 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:43 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 08:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:23 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 18:43 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:18 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:27 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:00 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:56 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:10 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:29 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:47 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 06:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 03:34 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:17 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:10 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:24 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:30 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:14 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:51 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-04 15:04 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 17:03 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 01:53 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:47 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:51 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:57 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 20:14 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:15 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:22 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:39 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:27 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:38 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-08-07 13:35 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 14:10 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-08-07 15:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:32 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-08-07 11:01 -0700
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:37 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 19:35 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 22:48 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-08 09:01 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:24 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-08-08 13:37 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-08 17:31 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 18:44 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 23:37 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 18:14 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:03 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:32 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:22 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:09 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:57 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-06 14:14 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-08-06 09:55 -0700
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:48 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:42 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:43 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:26 +0000
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 18:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114vthn$36oqc$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89606 |
On 05/08/2026 18:47, s|b wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 01:53:35 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> On 8/4/26 09:04, s|b wrote: >> >>> Still 16,93 euro at this Dutch shop >>> <https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-10770?search=pi%20zero%202w> > € 13,99 ex VAT >> Only interested in US prices. > And out of stock > They do international shipping and you can change the language on the > website to English. But hey, if you want to stick with Amazon and make > Bezos even richer than he already is... > The point is almost NO one has Pi zeros AT ALL right now. The price is irrelevant -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage."
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 20:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ndhcs4F2me6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89609 |
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 18:57:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 05/08/2026 18:47, s|b wrote: > > € 13,99 ex VAT That's what the site says, but the price you pay would be VAT included. AFAIK only business owners can buy ex VAT (in a Dutch shop). > And out of stock That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available again.) > The point is almost NO one has Pi zeros AT ALL right now. The price is > irrelevant The OP is about the price, so I tend to disagree. I did however forgot 2 things: tariffs and the power supply. That would have to be bought in the US. I have no clue what effect tariffs would have since Drumpf changes his mind like every 5 minutes on this. -- s|b
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 19:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11500km$3897n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89610 |
On 05/08/2026 19:14, s|b wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 18:57:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 05/08/2026 18:47, s|b wrote: >> >> € 13,99 ex VAT > > That's what the site says, but the price you pay would be VAT included. > AFAIK only business owners can buy ex VAT (in a Dutch shop). > >> And out of stock > > That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who > knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available > again.) > >> The point is almost NO one has Pi zeros AT ALL right now. The price is >> irrelevant > > The OP is about the price, so I tend to disagree. I did however forgot 2 > things: tariffs and the power supply. That would have to be bought in > the US. I have no clue what effect tariffs would have since Drumpf > changes his mind like every 5 minutes on this. > PSUs are generic But Pi zeros are unobtanium right now, except at silly money I can wait. I think I have a spare one somewhere -- Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. – Will Durant
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ndj1f2FagvfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89611 |
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 19:49:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > PSUs are generic > But Pi zeros are unobtanium right now, except at silly money > > I can wait. I think I have a spare one somewhere 'unobtanium', I love it when I learn a new word/expression. If I could only remember it, so I can use it myself some day. (-: I did a quick search yesterday and found 2 Dutch and 2 Belgian stores that still had them in stock for under 20 euro. But those were Zero W, not Zero 2 W. I didn't check if they shipped internationally, probably not, so they're of no use to many people here. -- s|b
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 12:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1151qch$3p218$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89626 |
On 06/08/2026 10:12, s|b wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 19:49:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> PSUs are generic >> But Pi zeros are unobtanium right now, except at silly money >> >> I can wait. I think I have a spare one somewhere > > 'unobtanium', I love it when I learn a new word/expression. If I could > only remember it, so I can use it myself some day. (-: > It's been around since the 1950s. It's widely touted as the solution to renewable energy batteries. > I did a quick search yesterday and found 2 Dutch and 2 Belgian stores > that still had them in stock for under 20 euro. But those were Zero W, > not Zero 2 W. I didn't check if they shipped internationally, probably > not, so they're of no use to many people here. > All mine are v1.3s not 2.0. Although the Zero W was never given a version number til V2 More than adequate for what I wanted,. -- There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 18:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndk1miFf88dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89626 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 11:12:09 +0200, s|b wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 19:49:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> PSUs are generic But Pi zeros are unobtanium right now, except at silly >> money >> >> I can wait. I think I have a spare one somewhere > > 'unobtanium', I love it when I learn a new word/expression. If I could > only remember it, so I can use it myself some day. (-: The word has a long history. There is a nuance. 'Vaproware' is a product that is announced but doesn't exist. The prime example is when Osborne announced the successor to the Osborne 1, killing the sales of the existing product without having the replacement in hand. Intel's 432 and Microsoft's Xenix may fall into that category. 'Unobtanium' is a device that exists but you can't buy at the present time. The Zero is a current example. In the early '80s vendors were quoting similar lead times of over a year on commodity chips. That, in part, impacted IBM's PC design.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 21:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1152ref$501h$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89644 |
On 06/08/2026 19:22, rbowman wrote: > 'Unobtanium' is a device that exists but you can't buy at the present > time. The Zero is a current example. In the early '80s vendors were > quoting similar lead times of over a year on commodity chips. That, in > part, impacted IBM's PC design. No. Unobtanium is a substance that does NOT exist. But would solve massive problems if it did. right now pi zeros do not actually exist in vendor stock. -- Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 02:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndku4cFf88dU21@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89656 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 21:39:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/08/2026 19:22, rbowman wrote: > >> 'Unobtanium' is a device that exists but you can't buy at the present >> time. The Zero is a current example. In the early '80s vendors were >> quoting similar lead times of over a year on commodity chips. That, in >> part, impacted IBM's PC design. > > No. Unobtanium is a substance that does NOT exist. But would solve > massive problems if it did. Once again, I speak American.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 11:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1154cit$j5m2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89673 |
On 07/08/2026 03:27, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 21:39:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 06/08/2026 19:22, rbowman wrote: >> >>> 'Unobtanium' is a device that exists but you can't buy at the present >>> time. The Zero is a current example. In the early '80s vendors were >>> quoting similar lead times of over a year on commodity chips. That, in >>> part, impacted IBM's PC design. >> >> No. Unobtanium is a substance that does NOT exist. But would solve >> massive problems if it did. > > Once again, I speak American. Once again, I speak universal usage. Look it up "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix "-ium Engineering Jargon: Aerospace engineers used the term starting in the late 1940s and 1950s to joke about missing materials that could withstand extreme conditions like high heat or intense stress. Real-World Scarcity: It is *sometimes* applied to real materials that are severely restricted, incredibly expensive, or hard to source. Fictional Tropes: In storytelling, it describes a rare substance that powers key technologies or drives the main plot. " -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin
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| From | Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 13:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1154jeg$lica$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89683 |
On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a > hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a > specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually > exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix "-ium Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds like it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be extracted ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and electrolysis. I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ... ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from. -- Cheers, Daniel.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 14:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1154lg2$m47b$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89691 |
On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote: > On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a >> hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a >> specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually >> exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix "-ium > > Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not > "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds like > it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be extracted > ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and electrolysis. > > I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ... > that is new to me.,.. > ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from. > ...That isn't! A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. Can't remember what it was. -- “it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.” Vaclav Klaus
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| From | Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 15:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <r45hkm-ac6.ln1@q957.zbmc.eu> |
| In reply to | #89692 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote: > > On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a > >> hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a > >> specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually > >> exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix "-ium > > > > Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not > > "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds like > > it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be extracted > > ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and electrolysis. > > > > I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ... > > > > that is new to me.,.. > > > ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from. > > > ...That isn't! > > A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. > Can't remember what it was. > I had a friend who used to call that "Muckite". -- Chris Green ·
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 16:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1154tqu$p7hl$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89693 |
On 07/08/2026 15:02, Chris Green wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote: >>> On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a >>>> hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a >>>> specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually >>>> exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix "-ium >>> >>> Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not >>> "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds like >>> it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be extracted >>> ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and electrolysis. >>> >>> I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ... >>> >> >> that is new to me.,.. >> >>> ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from. >>> >> ...That isn't! >> >> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. >> Can't remember what it was. >> > I had a friend who used to call that "Muckite". > That's the Bunny! -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.
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| From | wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 11:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <11556i1$ru2o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89692 |
On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote: >> On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a >>> hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a >>> specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually >>> exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix >>> "-ium >> >> Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not >> "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds >> like it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be >> extracted ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and >> electrolysis. >> >> I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ... >> > > that is new to me.,.. > >> ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from. >> > ...That isn't! > > A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. > Can't remember what it was. > Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there are so many things that can be made...
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eaqdS.8235$bZ8b.6617@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #89700 |
On 2026-08-07, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote: > On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. >> Can't remember what it was. > > Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there > are so many things that can be made... I've heard of a place called "Theory". I want to move there, because so many things work in Theory. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 21:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1155fme$vgjn$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89705 |
On 07/08/2026 20:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-07, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote: > >> On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. >>> Can't remember what it was. >> >> Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there >> are so many things that can be made... > > I've heard of a place called "Theory". I want to move there, > because so many things work in Theory. > +1. That was a chuckle. -- Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend. "Saki"
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 19:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndmqc2FrrpgU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89700 |
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 11:01:37 -0700, wmartin wrote: > On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote: >>> On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a >>>> hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a >>>> specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually >>>> exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix >>>> "-ium >>> >>> Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not >>> "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds >>> like it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be >>> extracted ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and >>> electrolysis. >>> >>> I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ... >>> >>> >> that is new to me.,.. >> >>> ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from. >>> >> ...That isn't! >> >> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. >> Can't remember what it was. >> > Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there > are so many things that can be made... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamak The present US penny is 97.5% zinc and 2.5% copper. Aluminum beer cans are readily available. Just saying, since it's probably illegal to melt pennies.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 22:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nrCcnW5QlNCDBOv3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89700 |
e On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote: > On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote: >>> On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a >>>> hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a >>>> specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually >>>> exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix >>>> "-ium >>> >>> Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not >>> "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds >>> like it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be >>> extracted ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and >>> electrolysis. >>> >>> I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ... >>> >> >> that is new to me.,.. >> >>> ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from. >>> >> ...That isn't! >> >> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. >> Can't remember what it was. >> > Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there > are so many things that can be made... In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows- what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent recipe. IS good enough for low-stress housings and such however and easy to cast/machine. Better than plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 09:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <er0jkmx15p.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #89722 |
On 2026-08-08 04:48, c186282 wrote: > e > On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote: >> On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. >>> Can't remember what it was. >>> >> Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", >> there are so many things that can be made... > > In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for > a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows- > what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent > recipe. > > IS good enough for low-stress housings and such > however and easy to cast/machine. Better than > plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or > steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO. I think I have seen motors used in kitchens have very cracked metal housings. Probably this pot metal. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 12:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11573lv$1drpb$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89734 |
On 08/08/2026 08:01, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-08-08 04:48, c186282 wrote: >> e >> On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote: >>> On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > >>>> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy >>>> casting]. Can't remember what it was. >>>> >>> Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", >>> there are so many things that can be made... >> >> In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for >> a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows- >> what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent >> recipe. >> >> IS good enough for low-stress housings and such >> however and easy to cast/machine. Better than >> plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or >> steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO. > > I think I have seen motors used in kitchens have very cracked metal > housings. Probably this pot metal. > Yes. As someone else said, we didn't call it 'muckite' for nothing. It is a very cheap way to do reasonably high finish castings. Was used a lot for e.g. 'Dinky/corgi Toys' Also a lot for low grade industrial casting as you have noted. Now rather more likely to have been replaced by plastic in e.g. car thermostat housings -- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels
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