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OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout

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  OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:36 +0100
    Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 21:49 +0200
      Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 21:03 +0100
      Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 22:21 +0200
        Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 10:31 +0100
          Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 12:33 +0200
            Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 12:55 +0100
              Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:03 +0200
                Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 21:11 +0100
                  Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:22 +0200
                    Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:45 +0100
                      Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-01 00:28 +0200
                        Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-30 18:45 -0700
                        Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 09:19 +0100
                          Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-01 11:20 +0200
                            Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 12:20 +0100
                              Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-01 13:45 +0200
                                Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-01 09:35 -0700
                                  Gnome 49 [Was: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-01 19:22 +0200
                                    Re: Gnome 49 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-01 10:48 -0700
                                      Re: Gnome 49 Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-01 11:16 -0700
                                        Re: Gnome 49 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-01 18:47 +0000
                                          Re: Gnome 49 Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-01 15:38 -0700
                                            Re: Gnome 49 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-02 04:24 +0000
                                              Re: Gnome 49 Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-01 22:22 -0700
                                                Re: Gnome 49 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-02 07:20 +0000
                                            Re: Gnome 49 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:17 +0100
                                              Re: Gnome 49 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 12:04 +0100
                                        Re: Gnome 49 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:13 +0100
                                          Re: Gnome 49 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-02 07:46 -0700
                                            Re: Gnome 49 Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2025-10-02 16:12 +0000
                                              Re: Gnome 49 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-02 09:38 -0700
                                            Re: Gnome 49 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 00:04 +0100
                                            Re: Gnome 49 Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-04 09:45 +0300
                                              Re: Gnome 49 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-04 20:27 +0200
                                            Re: Gnome 49 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-04 15:28 +0000
                                              Re: Gnome 49 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-06 08:41 -0700
                                        Re: Gnome 49 Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2025-10-02 11:18 +0000
                                      Re: Gnome 49 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:19 +0100
                                        Re: Gnome 49 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-02 19:03 +0000
                                  Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 18:33 +0100
                              Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:02 +0100
                                Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:07 +0100
                            Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-01 09:25 -0700
                              Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 18:31 +0100
              Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 09:50 +0100
                Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:05 +0100
                Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-03 13:35 +0200
        Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 09:21 +0100
          Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-03 13:28 +0200
    Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:11 +0200
      Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 21:13 +0100
        Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:48 +0100
          Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:56 +0100
    Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:19 +0200
      Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 21:14 +0100
        Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:22 +0200
          Re: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:45 +0100
      Re: OT: report by the European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity (ENTSO-E) [Was: The real story of the Iberian blackout] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-03 13:23 +0200
      Re: OT: report by the The Institute for Technological Research (IIT) at Comillas Pontifical University [Was: The real story of the Iberian blackout] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-03 13:23 +0200

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#75420 — OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-09-29 19:36 +0100
SubjectOT: The real story of the Iberian blackout
Message-ID<10bejip$35i1j$7@dont-email.me>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA


-- 
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain

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#75426

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-09-29 21:49 +0200
Message-ID<ee4rqlx4ub.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#75420
On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA
> 
> 
Too long.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#75432

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-09-29 21:03 +0100
Message-ID<10beom0$382ua$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75426
On 29/09/2025 20:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA
>>
>>
> Too long.
> 
You could try unplugging your ears and learning something.
But you wont., will you?

So much easier to just learn someone else's ideas than learn the facts 
and have ideas of your own.
Believing shit is so much easier.

The bit about spain is only a quarter of it or less


-- 
     “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the 
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most 
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of 
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which 
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by 
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

     ― Leo Tolstoy

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#75435

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-09-29 22:21 +0200
Message-ID<ma6rqlxe2m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#75426
On 2025-09-29 21:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA
>>
>>
> Too long.
> 

Not trustable.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Konstantin_Kisin

'Right-wing wokeism' and Soviet Trauma

Can anyone look into & add some details on what is, in MY view at least, 
clearly a STRONG bias towards (alt-?)rightist & conservative points of 
view? To what extent (insofar at all, of course) is Kisin running the 
risk of achieving exactly the OPPOSITE of what he CLAIMS to stand/aim 
for, by actually *fanning* the flames of the modern day societal strife 
that we are dealing with, e.g. by being (overly?) critical of being 
'woke'? How much does he NOT actually appreciate Western society for 
what it is, and only help to dramatize matters and potentially bring 
very important things (such as institutions) down, even further? In the 
worst case, (someone like) Kisin is actually DELIBERATELY doing this 
sort of thing, out of convictions that might be more or less well 
communicated to, or rather hidden from the public. Perhaps it is a form 
of lingering trauma from living with Soviet and immediate post-Soviet 
trauma - that does NOT give him the right NOR credits to actually 
*undermine* Western society, though. It would do the overall integrity 
of Wikipedia well to address this matter specifically, though only 
insofar it can occur in as neutral a manner as possible, of course.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#75462

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-09-30 10:31 +0100
Message-ID<10bg818$3ielt$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75435
On 29/09/2025 21:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-09-29 21:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA
>>>
>>>
>> Too long.
>>
> 
> Not trustable.
> 
> 
Here we see the Green Believers mind in operation

It assumes everything is propaganda, and the only choice is whether to 
believe it or not
Thank you Carlos for demonstrating once and for all how your view of 
reality denies any possible examination or consideration of anything 
that contradicts what you are comfortable believing





-- 
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out 
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

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#75464

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-09-30 12:33 +0200
Message-ID<d8osqlxhm9.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#75462
On 2025-09-30 11:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/09/2025 21:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-09-29 21:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Too long.
>>>
>>
>> Not trustable.
>>
>>
> Here we see the Green Believers mind in operation
> 
> It assumes everything is propaganda, and the only choice is whether to 
> believe it or not
> Thank you Carlos for demonstrating once and for all how your view of 
> reality denies any possible examination or consideration of anything 
> that contradicts what you are comfortable believing

Wikipedia:

«The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be 
found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until 
conditions to do so are met. (May 2025) (Learn how and when to remove 
this message)»

There is no criticism section.


Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable 
source about him.

And I don't trust right wing sources. I'm tired of their many proven 
lies in my country.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#75470

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-09-30 12:55 +0100
Message-ID<10bggft$3lj5k$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75464
On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-09-30 11:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/09/2025 21:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-29 21:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-09-29 20:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Too long.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not trustable.
>>>
>>>
>> Here we see the Green Believers mind in operation
>>
>> It assumes everything is propaganda, and the only choice is whether to 
>> believe it or not
>> Thank you Carlos for demonstrating once and for all how your view of 
>> reality denies any possible examination or consideration of anything 
>> that contradicts what you are comfortable believing
> 
> Wikipedia:
> 
> «The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be 
> found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until 
> conditions to do so are met. (May 2025) (Learn how and when to remove 
> this message)»
> 
The green activists are quick intoi that one thenb


> There is no criticism section.
> 
> 
Of vourse. The greenm activists are excvellent at casting doubnt with no 
actual reaosn orhger than it looks set to eat ointo green profoits

> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable 
> source about him.
> 
Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

Yoiu didn't even get that far did you?

> And I don't trust right wing sources. I'm tired of their many proven 
> lies in my country.
> 
Its not a 'right wing source.' Its a politically neutral analysis by the 
UKs foremost researcher into energy markets.

"Kathryn Porter is an independent energy consultant. She holds a 
Master's degree in Physics and an MBA, and is an associate member of the 
All-Party Parliamentary Group for Energy Studies executive council "

Your bigotry is now impossible to hide.


-- 
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle 
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump 
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the 
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is 
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

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#75474

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-09-30 19:03 +0200
Message-ID<j4ftqlxlvf.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#75470
On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:


>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable 
>> source about him.
>>
> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.

Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin.

Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political commentator, 
author and co-host with Francis Foster of the Triggernometry podcast.



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#75484

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-09-30 21:11 +0100
Message-ID<10bhdi8$3ts5o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75474
On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable 
>>> source about him.
>>>
>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
> 
> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin.
> 
> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political commentator, 
> author and co-host with Francis Foster of the Triggernometry podcast.
> 
Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to you 
at all is there?
Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

> 
> 

-- 
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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#75487

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-09-30 22:22 +0200
Message-ID<8pqtqlx55l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#75484
On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable 
>>>> source about him.
>>>>
>>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
>>
>> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin.
>>
>> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political 
>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the 
>> Triggernometry podcast.
>>
> Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to you 
> at all is there?
> Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, specially 
if long.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#75496

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-09-30 22:45 +0100
Message-ID<10bhj25$3v8sp$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75487
On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a reliable 
>>>>> source about him.
>>>>>
>>>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
>>>
>>> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin.
>>>
>>> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political 
>>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the 
>>> Triggernometry podcast.
>>>
>> Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to 
>> you at all is there?
>> Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.
> 
> I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, specially 
> if long.
> 

Why?
Afraid you might learn something?

-- 
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of 
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people 
who pay no price for being wrong.”

Thomas Sowell

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#75497

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-01 00:28 +0200
Message-ID<e52uqlxh4b.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#75496
On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a 
>>>>>> reliable source about him.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
>>>>
>>>> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin.
>>>>
>>>> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political 
>>>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the 
>>>> Triggernometry podcast.
>>>>
>>> Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to 
>>> you at all is there?
>>> Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.
>>
>> I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, 
>> specially if long.
>>
> 
> Why?
> Afraid you might learn something?
> 

Not wasting my time

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#75511

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2025-09-30 18:45 -0700
Message-ID<10bi13c$2gn3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75497

On 9/30/25 15:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a 
>>>>>>> reliable source about him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political 
>>>>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the 
>>>>> Triggernometry podcast.
>>>>>
>>>> Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
>>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to 
>>>> you at all is there?
>>>> Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.

	The first thing to fall out of an open mind is a realistic view of reality.

>>>
>>> I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, 
>>> specially if long.
>>>
>>
>> Why?
>> Afraid you might learn something?
>>
> 
> Not wasting my time
> 
	I second that opinion. Enough time is wasted on videos from
  known sources. Video is for a person reading, a waste of time.

	bliss

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#75530

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-01 09:19 +0100
Message-ID<10bio75$7g8d$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75497
On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a 
>>>>>>> reliable source about him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political 
>>>>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the 
>>>>> Triggernometry podcast.
>>>>>
>>>> Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
>>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking to 
>>>> you at all is there?
>>>> Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.
>>>
>>> I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, 
>>> specially if long.
>>>
>>
>> Why?
>> Afraid you might learn something?
>>
> 
> Not wasting my time
> 
I'll take that as a yes..

-- 
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

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#75531

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-01 11:20 +0200
Message-ID<tb8vqlxaj3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#75530
On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a 
>>>>>>>> reliable source about him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich 
>>>>>> Kisin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political 
>>>>>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the 
>>>>>> Triggernometry podcast.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
>>>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking 
>>>>> to you at all is there?
>>>>> Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.
>>>>
>>>> I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, 
>>>> specially if long.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why?
>>> Afraid you might learn something?
>>>
>>
>> Not wasting my time
>>
> I'll take that as a yes..
> 

The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision to 
not waste my time with that video.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#75532

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-01 12:20 +0100
Message-ID<10bj2q5$alf2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75531
On 01/10/2025 10:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a 
>>>>>>>>> reliable source about him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich 
>>>>>>> Kisin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political 
>>>>>>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the 
>>>>>>> Triggernometry podcast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
>>>>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking 
>>>>>> to you at all is there?
>>>>>> Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.
>>>>>
>>>>> I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, 
>>>>> specially if long.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>> Afraid you might learn something?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not wasting my time
>>>
>> I'll take that as a yes..
>>
> 
> The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision to 
> not waste my time with that video.
> 
Classic cancel/denial behaviour.
I just wanted to make sure as to whether you were simply misinformed, or 
prejudiced
Now its is clearly the latter, there is no point in presenting rational 
arguments, so I wont.
Bye




-- 
"It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's"
Joew Walsh

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#75533

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-01 13:45 +0200
Message-ID<prgvqlx4tu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#75532
On 2025-10-01 13:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/10/2025 10:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a 
>>>>>>>>>> reliable source about him.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich 
>>>>>>>> Kisin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political 
>>>>>>>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the 
>>>>>>>> Triggernometry podcast.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
>>>>>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point talking 
>>>>>>> to you at all is there?
>>>>>>> Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, 
>>>>>> specially if long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>> Afraid you might learn something?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not wasting my time
>>>>
>>> I'll take that as a yes..
>>>
>>
>> The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision to 
>> not waste my time with that video.
>>
> Classic cancel/denial behaviour.
> I just wanted to make sure as to whether you were simply misinformed, or 
> prejudiced
> Now its is clearly the latter, there is no point in presenting rational 
> arguments, so I wont.
> Bye

Classic bulshit.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#75542

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2025-10-01 09:35 -0700
Message-ID<10bjl97$fqn5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75533

On 10/1/25 04:45, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-01 13:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 01/10/2025 10:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-10-01 10:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 30/09/2025 23:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-09-30 23:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-09-30 22:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 18:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-09-30 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 30/09/2025 11:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thus I will refrain from watching his videos till I have a 
>>>>>>>>>>> reliable source about him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Its a her, dear, not a trans woman. Its a real woman.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia shows the photo of a man, named Konstantin Vadimovich 
>>>>>>>>> Kisin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin is a British–Russian political 
>>>>>>>>> commentator, author and co-host with Francis Foster of the 
>>>>>>>>> Triggernometry podcast.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those are just the hosts. Its the guest that has something to say
>>>>>>>> So you didn't even get THAT far. There really is no point 
>>>>>>>> talking to you at all is there?
>>>>>>>> Mind closed tighter than a duck's arse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I told you: I refuse to watch a video from an unknown source, 
>>>>>>> specially if long.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>> Afraid you might learn something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not wasting my time
>>>>>
>>>> I'll take that as a yes..
>>>>
>>>
>>> The more you insist the more I'm convinced I'm right in my decision 
>>> to not waste my time with that video.
>>>
>> Classic cancel/denial behaviour.
>> I just wanted to make sure as to whether you were simply misinformed, 
>> or prejudiced
>> Now its is clearly the latter, there is no point in presenting 
>> rational arguments, so I wont.
>> Bye
> 
> Classic bulshit.
> 

	Well of course.  The Natch has been pumping it out for years and
  don't expect him to make sense except perhaps on technical matters.
	
	Linux relevance: Gnome 49 will have x11 capabilities but
Gnome 50 will be dependent on Wayland.
	Discuss.

	bliss

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#75546 — Gnome 49 [Was: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout]

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-01 19:22 +0200
SubjectGnome 49 [Was: OT: The real story of the Iberian blackout]
Message-ID<2k40rlxp76.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#75542
On 2025-10-01 18:35, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 10/1/25 04:45, Carlos E.R. wrote:

...

>      Linux relevance: Gnome 49 will have x11 capabilities but
> Gnome 50 will be dependent on Wayland.
>      Discuss.

Gnome 49 has been a disaster in openSUSE Tumbleweed, according to this 
thread: 
<https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/A7SX5DWWK42VXYM3WTTJJQFV3FD7B5HE/>

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#75552 — Re: Gnome 49

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2025-10-01 10:48 -0700
SubjectRe: Gnome 49
Message-ID<20251001104859.00004fce@gmail.com>
In reply to#75546
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 19:22:42 +0200
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> > Linux relevance: Gnome 49 will have x11 capabilities but Gnome 50
> > will be dependent on Wayland. Discuss.  
> 
> Gnome 49 has been a disaster in openSUSE Tumbleweed, according to
> this thread:
> <https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/A7SX5DWWK42VXYM3WTTJJQFV3FD7B5HE/>

When I'm king, every hour lost to the incompetence and carelessness of
autocratic Design Divas making breaking changes with no fallback mode
will be tallied up and extracted from the parties responsible by means
of imprisonment in a cell where they will be forced to work at puzzles
with no solution.

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