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| Started by | Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> |
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| First post | 2015-01-03 22:11 +0000 |
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How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2015-01-03 22:11 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-03 22:25 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-04 09:48 +1100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-04 01:36 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-04 03:43 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-01-04 21:31 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2015-01-05 18:30 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-05 19:17 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-01-05 13:48 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 21:04 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-01-05 13:48 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-05 21:08 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-01-05 15:23 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-05 21:29 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2015-01-06 01:29 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-05 13:22 -0800
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-01-05 21:32 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-06 01:44 -0500
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-06 16:19 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-04 12:16 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-04 13:33 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-04 14:00 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-01-04 08:29 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-04 15:06 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-01-04 09:31 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-01-04 09:29 -0800
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-04 18:25 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-04 17:56 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-04 18:20 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-04 23:30 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 11:15 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-05 12:33 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 12:49 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-05 13:10 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 13:36 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2015-01-05 18:56 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-05 15:13 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-01-05 12:31 -0800
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-05 16:05 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-05 18:05 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 18:12 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-06 09:56 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-01-04 08:21 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-04 18:04 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2015-01-05 18:43 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-01-05 13:48 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-05 19:51 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2015-01-04 17:18 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2015-01-04 17:26 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-04 18:57 -0500
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-01-04 16:07 -0800
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-04 19:57 -0500
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-05 01:01 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-04 23:20 -0500
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-05 06:49 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-04 18:40 -0800
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-05 16:02 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-01-05 12:42 -0800
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-01-06 04:08 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-01-05 22:01 -0800
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-06 06:59 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-06 10:00 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-06 14:59 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-05 14:21 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 13:35 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-05 15:14 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 14:25 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-05 16:18 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-01-05 09:35 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-05 16:16 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 16:20 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-05 16:50 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 18:12 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-05 19:20 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 21:05 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-05 23:25 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-05 22:48 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-06 19:11 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-01-06 18:28 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-05 15:50 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-05 16:30 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-05 10:51 -0600
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-05 19:20 +0000
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-05 23:26 +0100
Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-05 16:43 -0600
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-06 06:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m8g14a$mu8$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #13313 |
On 06/01/15 06:01, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > ow it does not boot again so I have to make > further changes and I may end up with nothing but Linux windows. There is only one place for Microsoft Windows. In a sandboxed VM inside linux where it cant do any harm and is snapshotted to prevent malware from destroying it. Unless you want it for games, in which case don't use it for anything else., -- Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. – Erwin Knoll
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-06 10:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m8g85m$84t$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13314 |
On Tuesday 06 January 2015 07:59, The Natural Philosopher conveyed the
following to comp.os.linux.misc...
> On 06/01/15 06:01, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> ow it does not boot again so I have to make
>> further changes and I may end up with nothing but Linux windows.
>
> There is only one place for Microsoft Windows. In a sandboxed VM
> inside linux where it cant do any harm and is snapshotted to prevent
> malware from destroying it.
I find that removing the power cord also helps a great deal, in that
regard. <nods assuringly> :p
--
= Aragorn =
http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157
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| From | notbob <notbob@nothome.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-06 14:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ch2bijFocjdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #13316 |
On 2015-01-06, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote: > I find that removing the power cord also helps a great deal, in that > regard. <nods assuringly> :p LOL!....
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 14:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m8e34s$lmo$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #13197 |
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote: >Does anyone run with what you might call two or three generations of system >bits of the OS - perhaps on two or three separate partitions, and apply >fixes to one of them at a time? I used to do that. Way to complicated. A rescue system does the same job and does not need that much maintenance. Greetings Marc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 13:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ligqnb-c2f.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13262 |
On 05/01/15 13:21, Marc Haber wrote: > Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> > wrote: >> Does anyone run with what you might call two or three generations of system >> bits of the OS - perhaps on two or three separate partitions, and apply >> fixes to one of them at a time? > > I used to do that. Way to complicated. A rescue system does the same > job and does not need that much maintenance. I run 2 root + boot FSs - so I can install the next version and still have my old system accessible while I debug and polish the new one. Also means I have my old /etc available too when booted to the new OS.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 15:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m8e67l$si0$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #13263 |
Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >On 05/01/15 13:21, Marc Haber wrote: >> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> >> wrote: >>> Does anyone run with what you might call two or three generations of system >>> bits of the OS - perhaps on two or three separate partitions, and apply >>> fixes to one of them at a time? >> >> I used to do that. Way to complicated. A rescue system does the same >> job and does not need that much maintenance. > >I run 2 root + boot FSs - so I can install the next version and still >have my old system accessible while I debug and polish the new one. I didn't reinstall in years. Maybe because my preferred distribution cares about updates? Greetings Marc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 14:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hgjqnb-15h.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13266 |
On 05/01/15 14:14, Marc Haber wrote: > Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >> On 05/01/15 13:21, Marc Haber wrote: >>> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> >>> wrote: >>>> Does anyone run with what you might call two or three generations of system >>>> bits of the OS - perhaps on two or three separate partitions, and apply >>>> fixes to one of them at a time? >>> >>> I used to do that. Way to complicated. A rescue system does the same >>> job and does not need that much maintenance. >> >> I run 2 root + boot FSs - so I can install the next version and still >> have my old system accessible while I debug and polish the new one. > > I didn't reinstall in years. Maybe because my preferred distribution > cares about updates? Nice if you stick with a distro. I usually alternate between Mint and Ubuntu depending. But I also like to have the freedom to test a new distro in parallel. However as / plus /boot (minus /home(s)) is tiny by modern disk capacity standards, then why not?
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 16:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m8e9vn$5li$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #13268 |
Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >But I also like >to have the freedom to test a new distro in parallel. You don't take away that freedom anyway. Greetings Marc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 09:35 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: How do home users of linux protect themselves against ill-advised changes? |
| Message-ID | <KeCdneP4ItjWMjfJnZ2dnUU7-LGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #13268 |
At Mon, 05 Jan 2015 14:25:53 +0000 Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
>
> On 05/01/15 14:14, Marc Haber wrote:
> > Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
> >> On 05/01/15 13:21, Marc Haber wrote:
> >>> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Does anyone run with what you might call two or three generations of system
> >>>> bits of the OS - perhaps on two or three separate partitions, and apply
> >>>> fixes to one of them at a time?
> >>>
> >>> I used to do that. Way to complicated. A rescue system does the same
> >>> job and does not need that much maintenance.
> >>
> >> I run 2 root + boot FSs - so I can install the next version and still
> >> have my old system accessible while I debug and polish the new one.
> >
> > I didn't reinstall in years. Maybe because my preferred distribution
> > cares about updates?
>
> Nice if you stick with a distro.
>
> I usually alternate between Mint and Ubuntu depending. But I also like
> to have the freedom to test a new distro in parallel.
I run a rock solid stable distro (CentOS 5) as my base system. I have it set
up with Xen and run other distros as Virtual Machines. I've *NEVER* had to do
a fresh re-install on the bare metal, even when migrating to new hardware and
I've never gotten a system that is totally not bootable -- the worst that has
even happened was a minor screwup migrating to a new RAID pair where the
super-minor number was wrong in the RAID super-blocks -- easily fixed from a
rescue boot. (I did have a broken script that did a rm /* in a VM once -- no
big loss there.)
>
> However as / plus /boot (minus /home(s)) is tiny by modern disk capacity
> standards, then why not?
Indeed. I have many separate file systems (using LVM): /, /usr, /home, plus a
bunch of others (special purpose data filesystems), plus separate logical
volumes for the various virtual machines I have installed.
>
>
>
--
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| From | notbob <notbob@nothome.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 16:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cgvrmbF41ktU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #13268 |
On 2015-01-05, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > Nice if you stick with a distro. .....as opposed to changing distros every 10 mins? I've never understood the attraction of playing discover-a-distro. Debian, screwbuntu, Mint, Centos, Mageia, blah blah...... Seems like it would be better to learn how to change a single distro to do what you want rather than looking at what everyone else has done to their distro to see if it's for you. nb --one distro, 13 yrs
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 16:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q7qqnb-glm.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13278 |
On 05/01/15 16:16, notbob wrote: > On 2015-01-05, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > >> Nice if you stick with a distro. > > .....as opposed to changing distros every 10 mins? > > I've never understood the attraction of playing discover-a-distro. Debian, > screwbuntu, Mint, Centos, Mageia, blah blah...... > > Seems like it would be better to learn how to change a single distro to do > what you want rather than looking at what everyone else has done to > their distro to see if it's for you. > > nb --one distro, 13 yrs > For one, if it's your job, you should look at other distros from time to time.
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| From | notbob <notbob@nothome.com> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 16:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cgvtmhF41ktU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #13279 |
On 2015-01-05, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > For one, if it's your job, you should look at other distros from time to > time. Why?
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 18:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ho0rnb-oot.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13281 |
On 05/01/15 16:50, notbob wrote: > On 2015-01-05, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > >> For one, if it's your job, you should look at other distros from time to >> time. > > Why? > *sigh* So that you remained informed as to alternatives. I'm not saying everyone can use or test every distro, but it would be dereliction to not make an effort to remain informed and open minded about some alternatives in any field.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 19:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m8eo74$inh$3@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #13284 |
On 05/01/15 18:12, Tim Watts wrote: > On 05/01/15 16:50, notbob wrote: >> On 2015-01-05, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >> >>> For one, if it's your job, you should look at other distros from time to >>> time. >> >> Why? >> > > *sigh* > > So that you remained informed as to alternatives. > > I'm not saying everyone can use or test every distro, but it would be > dereliction to not make an effort to remain informed and open minded > about some alternatives in any field. Unless what you have actually does everything you want. -- Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. – Erwin Knoll
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 21:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <euarnb-9a4.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13291 |
On 05/01/15 19:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 05/01/15 18:12, Tim Watts wrote: >> On 05/01/15 16:50, notbob wrote: >>> On 2015-01-05, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >>> >>>> For one, if it's your job, you should look at other distros from >>>> time to >>>> time. >>> >>> Why? >>> >> >> *sigh* >> >> So that you remained informed as to alternatives. >> >> I'm not saying everyone can use or test every distro, but it would be >> dereliction to not make an effort to remain informed and open minded >> about some alternatives in any field. > > Unless what you have actually does everything you want. > > Still worth testing that assumption if you are a sysadmin :) You might find one that does everything you want, slightly better :) Or at least you can go to bed with a big smarmy grin knowing you made the best choice x years ago!
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 23:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m8f308$uns$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #13279 |
Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >On 05/01/15 16:16, notbob wrote: >> On 2015-01-05, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >> >>> Nice if you stick with a distro. >> >> .....as opposed to changing distros every 10 mins? >> >> I've never understood the attraction of playing discover-a-distro. Debian, >> screwbuntu, Mint, Centos, Mageia, blah blah...... >> >> Seems like it would be better to learn how to change a single distro to do >> what you want rather than looking at what everyone else has done to >> their distro to see if it's for you. >> >> nb --one distro, 13 yrs >> > >For one, if it's your job, you should look at other distros from time to >time. But, if it's your job, you should have spare hardware or VMs available so that you do not need to risk your primary working tool. Greetings Marc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 22:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6vgrnb-rs8.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13306 |
On 05/01/15 22:25, Marc Haber wrote: > But, if it's your job, you should have spare hardware or VMs available > so that you do not need to risk your primary working tool. > > Greetings > Marc > That's valid - but there's nothing like testing a distro by real world daily use for a while :) Sure - using a VM is a good way to narrow the choices down by excluding the non starters - but for one it does not expose the OS to testing on real hardware (like pulling USB devices in and out, graphics, suspend/resume and many other real world tests.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2015-01-06 19:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m8h8ga$mj9$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #13308 |
Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >On 05/01/15 22:25, Marc Haber wrote: >> But, if it's your job, you should have spare hardware or VMs available >> so that you do not need to risk your primary working tool. > >That's valid - but there's nothing like testing a distro by real world >daily use for a while :) You're free to use the VM or the spare hardware, as long as you have the possibility to just return to the production machine in a whim. "I had to re-install my main laptop" is not a valid excuse for a half-day production downtime if things go bad. >Sure - using a VM is a good way to narrow the choices down by excluding >the non starters - but for one it does not expose the OS to testing on >real hardware (like pulling USB devices in and out, graphics, >suspend/resume and many other real world tests. Spare Hardware. One Does Not Use an untested system on the hardware that one is paid for to use to fix things. Greetings Marc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-01-06 18:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o2mtnb-ti6.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13320 |
On 06/01/15 18:11, Marc Haber wrote: > Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >> On 05/01/15 22:25, Marc Haber wrote: >>> But, if it's your job, you should have spare hardware or VMs available >>> so that you do not need to risk your primary working tool. >> >> That's valid - but there's nothing like testing a distro by real world >> daily use for a while :) > > You're free to use the VM or the spare hardware, as long as you have > the possibility to just return to the production machine in a whim. "I > had to re-install my main laptop" is not a valid excuse for a half-day > production downtime if things go bad. Which, by way of circular argument brings us back to the beginning - someone said "have 2 OS partitions" and I agreed. Then we had a huge debate :) > >> Sure - using a VM is a good way to narrow the choices down by excluding >> the non starters - but for one it does not expose the OS to testing on >> real hardware (like pulling USB devices in and out, graphics, >> suspend/resume and many other real world tests. > > Spare Hardware. One Does Not Use an untested system on the hardware > that one is paid for to use to fix things. Ideally. But if one does not have the funds for a second modern laptop... And once installed onto the 2nd partition, you have to be pretty careless to damage the first OS.
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| From | William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-01-05 15:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m8ebrp$lko$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13266 |
On 2015-01-05, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >>On 05/01/15 13:21, Marc Haber wrote: >>> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> >>> wrote: >>>> Does anyone run with what you might call two or three generations of system >>>> bits of the OS - perhaps on two or three separate partitions, and apply >>>> fixes to one of them at a time? >>> >>> I used to do that. Way to complicated. A rescue system does the same >>> job and does not need that much maintenance. >> >>I run 2 root + boot FSs - so I can install the next version and still >>have my old system accessible while I debug and polish the new one. > > I didn't reinstall in years. Maybe because my preferred distribution > cares about updates? When a distribution changes number, it is usually advisable to reinstall rather than upgrade. Things like stuff changing name (gimp to gimp2 as I recall) and thus having two different versions on the system at the same time to confuse each other. > > Greetings > Marc
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