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Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out

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  Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 03:38 -0400
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-14 09:52 +0000
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 06:07 -0400
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-14 10:15 +0000
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 06:25 -0400
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:18 +0000
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 17:19 +0000
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:53 +0100
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-14 18:48 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 22:45 +0100
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 21:47 -0400
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:16 +0000
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:12 +0000
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:51 +0100
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:03 +0000
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 21:49 -0400
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 17:13 +0000
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-14 22:03 +0100
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 02:09 +0000
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-14 19:23 -0700
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 22:26 -0400
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 05:03 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-15 04:11 -0400
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-15 09:00 -0700
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-15 10:05 +0100
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 20:51 +0000
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-15 21:25 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 00:30 +0100
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-16 02:36 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 06:00 +0100
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-16 06:19 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 09:52 +0100
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 05:15 -0400
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 20:05 +0000
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 00:51 -0400
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 05:59 +0000
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 13:05 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 09:50 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 14:11 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 01:47 -0400
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 18:27 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-18 03:36 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-16 22:00 +0100
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:05 -0400
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 12:43 +0100
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 20:04 +0000
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-16 22:10 +0100
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:14 +0000
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 23:01 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 00:02 +0000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-17 00:47 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 06:10 +0000
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:19 +0000
                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:35 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:37 -0400
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 12:48 +0100
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 00:25 +0000
                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-18 11:32 +0100
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:35 +0000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 00:49 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 00:41 +0000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 12:04 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-22 08:49 -0400
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 16:40 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:09 -0400
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-03-15 02:52 +0000
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-14 14:51 +0200
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-14 17:41 +0200
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-14 19:23 -0400
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-15 11:00 +0200
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-15 20:22 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-16 00:28 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-17 08:03 +1000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-17 11:44 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-17 13:02 +0100
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-18 08:23 +1000
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-04-17 21:01 -0700
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-17 20:39 +0200
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-17 21:06 +0000
                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-17 18:10 -0400
                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-18 13:25 +0200
                            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-18 20:33 +0000
                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-19 16:48 -0400
                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-19 21:55 +0100
                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-19 23:02 +0200
                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 14:57 -0400
                                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-20 20:54 +0100
                                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 00:29 +0200
                                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 21:08 -0400
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-21 02:51 +0000
                                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 12:27 +0200
                                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 00:27 +0200
                                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 21:09 -0400
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 12:32 +0200
                                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 13:11 +0100
                                            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-21 19:12 -0400
                                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-22 07:03 +0200
                                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-22 15:59 -0400
                                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-22 22:40 +0200
                                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 10:06 +0100
                                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-22 15:37 +0000
                                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 17:39 +0100
                                            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 18:24 +0100
                                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 21:33 +0100
                                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 10:06 +0100
                                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 17:31 +0100
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-17 18:03 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-16 11:01 +0200
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-21 00:12 +0200

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#85765

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-04-18 13:25 +0200
Message-ID<ca6cbmxs3j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#85756
On 2026-04-18 00:10, c186282 wrote:
> On 4/17/26 17:06, Rich wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
>>>>> drop-outs really badly though,
>>>>
>>>> Yes.  Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
>>>> developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much
>>>> assumes an always on internet connection that is never down.  For
>>>> those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always
>>>> seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes
>>>> randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown
>>>> to them.
>>>
>>> Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
>>
>> Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem.
>>
>> But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix,
> 
> 
>    Awwww ... straight to nasty .....
> 
>    Well, we're glad SOMEBODY is perfect and
>    knows it all.
> 
> 
>> I
>> predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but will
>> instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of
>> intermittent connections.
> 
>    I will not install leafnode or my own usenet server.
>    I will not switch to tin - looks like an 80s throwback,
>    but frankly Agent was a lot nicer.
> 

Suit yourself.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#85766

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-04-18 20:33 +0000
Message-ID<10s0pql$3h385$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#85765
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-04-18 00:10, c186282 wrote:
>> On 4/17/26 17:06, Rich wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
>>>>>> drop-outs really badly though,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.  Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been 
>>>>> developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much 
>>>>> assumes an always on internet connection that is never down.  For 
>>>>> those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always 
>>>>> seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out 
>>>>> sometimes randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is 
>>>>> completely unknown to them.
>>>>
>>>> Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
>>>
>>> Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem.
>>>
>>> But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix,
>> 
>> 
>>    Awwww ... straight to nasty .....
>> 
>>    Well, we're glad SOMEBODY is perfect and
>>    knows it all.
>> 
>> 
>>> I predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but 
>>> will instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of 
>>> intermittent connections.
>> 
>>    I will not install leafnode or my own usenet server.
>>    I will not switch to tin - looks like an 80s throwback,
>>    but frankly Agent was a lot nicer.
>> 
> 
> Suit yourself.

And c186282 confirms my prediction (at least the part that c186282 
would not install leafnode nor use a different newsreader) as correct.

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#85767

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-04-19 16:48 -0400
Message-ID<wf6cnWKm7frhonj0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#85766
On 4/18/26 16:33, Rich wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-04-18 00:10, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 4/17/26 17:06, Rich wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
>>>>>>> drop-outs really badly though,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.  Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
>>>>>> developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much
>>>>>> assumes an always on internet connection that is never down.  For
>>>>>> those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always
>>>>>> seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out
>>>>>> sometimes randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is
>>>>>> completely unknown to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem.
>>>>
>>>> But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix,
>>>
>>>
>>>     Awwww ... straight to nasty .....
>>>
>>>     Well, we're glad SOMEBODY is perfect and
>>>     knows it all.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but
>>>> will instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of
>>>> intermittent connections.
>>>
>>>     I will not install leafnode or my own usenet server.
>>>     I will not switch to tin - looks like an 80s throwback,
>>>     but frankly Agent was a lot nicer.
>>>
>>
>> Suit yourself.
> 
> And c186282 confirms my prediction (at least the part that c186282
> would not install leafnode nor use a different newsreader) as correct.

   Good guess ... but I kinda implied that  :-)

   The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
   not to install your own news-server ... that's like
   replacing an entire car engine because one spark
   plug is balky.

   I've tried all the news-readers too. Pan is the closest
   to OK. The others are pretty literally 80s. So, warts
   aside (been fewer the past weeks), I'll stick with TBird.

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#85768

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-04-19 21:55 +0100
Message-ID<10s3fgv$8q8k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#85767
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>    plug is balky.

Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did

An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute

-- 
"It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's"
Joew Walsh

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#85769

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-04-19 23:02 +0200
Message-ID<dgsfbmxab4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#85768
On 2026-04-19 22:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>    plug is balky.
> 
> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
> 
> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
> 

And leafnode needs a very simple config. Trivial.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#85778

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-04-20 14:57 -0400
Message-ID<8x2cnfjABLah6nv0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#85768
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>    plug is balky.
> 
> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did

   And if I was 40 years younger .......

> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute

   But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.

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#85779

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-04-20 20:54 +0100
Message-ID<10s608o$10dae$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#85778
On 20/04/2026 19:57, c186282 wrote:
> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>    plug is balky.
>>
>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
> 
>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
> 
>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
> 
>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
> 
Not if it is for your private use.

With just a few groups on it

-- 
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that 
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

    - Bertrand Russell

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#85781

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-04-21 00:29 +0200
Message-ID<fulibmx78h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#85779
On 2026-04-20 21:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/04/2026 19:57, c186282 wrote:
>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>
>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>
>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>
>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>
>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>
> Not if it is for your private use.
> 
> With just a few groups on it
> 

Leafnode purpose is only private use. At most, listen on an intranet, 
never on internet. It is not a server.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#85783

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-04-20 21:08 -0400
Message-ID<O92cnSPeUMyXU3v0nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#85779
On 4/20/26 15:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/04/2026 19:57, c186282 wrote:
>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>
>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>
>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>
>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>
>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>
> Not if it is for your private use.
> 
> With just a few groups on it

   Kinda depends who's In Charge at the moment, doesn't it ? :-)

   UK ... you'd probably be guilty of a 'hate crime' for
   just what appears in cosl ... not to mention all of
   the 'political' groups.

   Sorry, not gonna go there.

   BTW ... my issues with TBird have become much less of
   late. Not sure why, but what is, is.

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#85785

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-04-21 02:51 +0000
Message-ID<10s6omn$16ktn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#85783
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 4/20/26 15:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 20/04/2026 19:57, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>>
>>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>>
>>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>>
>>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>>
>>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>>
>> Not if it is for your private use.
>> 
>> With just a few groups on it
> 
>   Kinda depends who's In Charge at the moment, doesn't it ? :-)
> 
>   UK ... you'd probably be guilty of a 'hate crime' for
>   just what appears in cosl ... not to mention all of
>   the 'political' groups.
> 
>   Sorry, not gonna go there.
> 
>   BTW ... my issues with TBird have become much less of
>   late. Not sure why, but what is, is.

You do realise that leafnode only downloads the groups you tell it to 
download (i.e., the exact same ones you are subscribed to in 
thunderbird).  If you would be in danger because of leafnode, then you 
are already in danger due to what thunderbird already downloads.

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#85787

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
Message-ID<10s7e0u$1c7jb$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#85785
On 21/04/2026 03:51, Rich wrote:
> You do realise that leafnode only downloads the groups you tell it to
> download (i.e., the exact same ones you are subscribed to in
> thunderbird).  If you would be in danger because of leafnode, then you
> are already in danger due to what thunderbird already downloads.

+1
-- 
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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#85788

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-04-21 12:27 +0200
Message-ID<920kbmx1rg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#85783
On 2026-04-21 03:08, c186282 wrote:
> On 4/20/26 15:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 20/04/2026 19:57, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>>
>>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>>
>>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>>
>>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>>
>>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>>
>> Not if it is for your private use.
>>
>> With just a few groups on it
> 
>    Kinda depends who's In Charge at the moment, doesn't it ? :-)
> 
>    UK ... you'd probably be guilty of a 'hate crime' for
>    just what appears in cosl ... not to mention all of
>    the 'political' groups.
> 
>    Sorry, not gonna go there.
> 
>    BTW ... my issues with TBird have become much less of
>    late. Not sure why, but what is, is.

Do you realize that leafnode is not a public server, so that nobody can 
post to it, except you? Unless you change the default config, and then 
it only allows people on your intranet?

And it doesn't download "all those political groups" unless you decide 
to open then in Thunderbird?

Your responsibility is the same as if you only use Thunderbird.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#85782

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-04-21 00:27 +0200
Message-ID<rrlibmx78h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#85778
On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>    plug is balky.
>>
>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
> 
>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
> 
>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
> 
>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
> 

Nope. Totally wrong.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#85784

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-04-20 21:09 -0400
Message-ID<O92cnSLeUMzLU3v0nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#85782
On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>
>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>
>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>
>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>
>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>
> 
> Nope. Totally wrong.

   Ummmm ... which country ?

   The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
   for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...

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#85786

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
Message-ID<10s7dvk$1c7jb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#85784
On 21/04/2026 02:09, c186282 wrote:
> On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>>
>>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>>
>>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>>
>>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>>
>>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. Totally wrong.
> 
>    Ummmm ... which country ?
> 
>    The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
>    for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
> 
An NNTP server behind a firewall is not publicly accessible to scan.
The big servers are far more likely to be policed,

But gov.com only cares about bubblegum media

-- 
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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#85789

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-04-21 12:32 +0200
Message-ID<6b0kbmx1rg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#85784
On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:
> On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>>
>>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>>
>>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>>
>>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>>
>>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. Totally wrong.
> 
>    Ummmm ... which country ?
> 
>    The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
>    for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
> 

Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It is a 
PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine to 
software inside your machine.

If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers 
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.

So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything else 
beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.

Yiks! :-/


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#85790

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-04-21 13:11 +0100
Message-ID<10s7ph0$1fq3g$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#85789
On 21/04/2026 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:
>> On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>>>
>>>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>>>
>>>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>>>
>>>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. Totally wrong.
>>
>>    Ummmm ... which country ?
>>
>>    The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
>>    for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
>>
> 
> Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It is a 
> PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine to 
> software inside your machine.
> 
> If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers 
> inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
> 
> So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything else 
> beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
> 
> Yiks! :-/
> 
> 
Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same 
applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server, pushing 
your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The gummint 
cant see it.

-- 
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a 
kind word alone.

Al Capone

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#85796

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-04-21 19:12 -0400
Message-ID<fOmcndHlqs6qmXX0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#85790
On 4/21/26 08:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 21/04/2026 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>>>>
>>>>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>>>>
>>>>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>>>>
>>>>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Totally wrong.
>>>
>>>    Ummmm ... which country ?
>>>
>>>    The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
>>>    for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
>>>
>>
>> Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It is 
>> a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine 
>> to software inside your machine.
>>
>> If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers 
>> inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
>>
>> So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything else 
>> beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
>>
>> Yiks! :-/
>>
>>
> Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same 
> applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server, pushing 
> your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The gummint 
> cant see it.

   Indirectly they can, because all that NNTP traffic
   is being delivered to you. Now add the equiv of
   a wokie Spanish Inquisition and .......

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#85797

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-04-22 07:03 +0200
Message-ID<cd1mbmxiv8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#85796
On 2026-04-22 01:12, c186282 wrote:
> On 4/21/26 08:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 21/04/2026 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. Totally wrong.
>>>>
>>>>    Ummmm ... which country ?
>>>>
>>>>    The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
>>>>    for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It is 
>>> a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine 
>>> to software inside your machine.
>>>
>>> If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers 
>>> inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
>>>
>>> So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything 
>>> else beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
>>>
>>> Yiks! :-/
>>>
>>>
>> Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same 
>> applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server, 
>> pushing your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The 
>> gummint cant see it.
> 
>    Indirectly they can, because all that NNTP traffic
>    is being delivered to you. Now add the equiv of
>    a wokie Spanish Inquisition and .......

So what? Worst case, you only have to worry about what you write, same 
as with Thunderbird. Same traffic.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#85820

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-04-22 15:59 -0400
Message-ID<riednTiKPftdtXT0nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#85797
On 4/22/26 01:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-04-22 01:12, c186282 wrote:
>> On 4/21/26 08:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 21/04/2026 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
>>>>>>>>>    not to install your own news-server ... that's like
>>>>>>>>>    replacing an entire car engine because one spark
>>>>>>>>>    plug is balky.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    And if I was 40 years younger .......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. Totally wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Ummmm ... which country ?
>>>>>
>>>>>    The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
>>>>>    for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It 
>>>> is a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your 
>>>> machine to software inside your machine.
>>>>
>>>> If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers 
>>>> inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
>>>>
>>>> So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything 
>>>> else beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
>>>>
>>>> Yiks! :-/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same 
>>> applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server, 
>>> pushing your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The 
>>> gummint cant see it.
>>
>>    Indirectly they can, because all that NNTP traffic
>>    is being delivered to you. Now add the equiv of
>>    a wokie Spanish Inquisition and .......
> 
> So what? Worst case, you only have to worry about what you write, same 
> as with Thunderbird. Same traffic.


   I suggest you look into the history of puritan fanatics.

   I worry most about our contributors from the UK ... any
   hint of 'thought crime' and they JAIL you.

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