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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 26 participants |
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“7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:07 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 08:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-15 12:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:10 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:15 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:37 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 15:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 22:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-18 11:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 12:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-18 21:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-18 21:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 23:12 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-18 19:52 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 00:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 09:54 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 11:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:21 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 22:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:33 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:52 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 13:00 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:46 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:34 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:40 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 16:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:55 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 08:41 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-20 19:01 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 12:58 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:10 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:02 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 07:43 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:13 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:27 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:39 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:07 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:39 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 10:53 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-19 12:15 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:24 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 15:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:38 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:41 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-16 07:53 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 10:57 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 20:58 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:25 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 11:19 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:37 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:00 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-18 07:03 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 01:03 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:46 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 12:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 14:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 13:48 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:22 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:05 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 22:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:09 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-15 06:19 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 03:00 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:44 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 23:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:57 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:31 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:52 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:49 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:26 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 09:57 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:12 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 13:11 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 18:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-19 11:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:27 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-20 05:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:32 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:16 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 08:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 09:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:56 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:28 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-22 07:14 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-21 13:27 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:17 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 21:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:40 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:33 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:10 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 23:01 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:51 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-22 09:35 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:35 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 08:02 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 17:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:06 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 11:02 +0100
Re: Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 16:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 21:18 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:45 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 23:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2026-01-23 18:51 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:33 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 11:11 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:15 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 09:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 10:25 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-25 07:02 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 12:39 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-28 23:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-29 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-25 15:12 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 10:46 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-26 13:13 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 09:02 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-27 10:10 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-27 10:21 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 11:56 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:30 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-23 21:39 -0800
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:36 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:17 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 09:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:52 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-20 13:30 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 16:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:41 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-18 21:48 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-20 07:11 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 23:35 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 20:32 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 18:38 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-24 20:05 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 14:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10ko0el$2qvbd$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81343 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-01-20 10:46, Marc Haber wrote: >> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 09:54:15 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >>>> The one thing that the fiber companies can to well is lying at the >>>> customer, for example sending sales people from door to door with >>>> the news that the residents MUST buy fiber because their DSL will be >>>> turned off and decommissioned "later this year" and that they will >>>> be without Internet if they don't sign up with the fiber company. >>> >>> In our case that’s no lie. The copper network is being decommissioned, >>> region by region, and DSL along with it. >> >> Over here it's still a few years until then. I had TWO of those sales >> people stopping by my place in the last six weeks, all claiming that I >> need to sign up with their fiber RIGHT NOW to avoid my Internet from >> being canceled under my feet. > >Are they from your ISP? No. But of course they claim that I am already their customer. I'm probably the only one in the street who does immediately spot that lie. >It doesn't matter if there is no advantage, copper exchanges were >disabled and then removed, and the premises sold or rented. That what used to be the copper exchange holding the telephony stuff is gone already, we have MSANs (Multi Service Access Nodes) on the curb where the fiber lines terminate and the VDSL vectoring lines (usually just a couple of hundred meters long) branch out. VDSL vectoring can do 250/40. >> That being said, I'm going to have the fiber laid in the very second I >> can have it laid, but that's mainly to keep the value of the real >> estate (and I plan to use the digging activities to put a fat power >> cable out there since the next car I buy will surely be electric). > >:-) > >In my case, the fibre and the power are on the walls. Everyhing buried here. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 20:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <17354mx4n3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81349 |
On 2026-01-20 14:37, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-01-20 10:46, Marc Haber wrote: >>> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 09:54:15 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >>>>> The one thing that the fiber companies can to well is lying at the >>>>> customer, for example sending sales people from door to door with >>>>> the news that the residents MUST buy fiber because their DSL will be >>>>> turned off and decommissioned "later this year" and that they will >>>>> be without Internet if they don't sign up with the fiber company. >>>> >>>> In our case that’s no lie. The copper network is being decommissioned, >>>> region by region, and DSL along with it. >>> >>> Over here it's still a few years until then. I had TWO of those sales >>> people stopping by my place in the last six weeks, all claiming that I >>> need to sign up with their fiber RIGHT NOW to avoid my Internet from >>> being canceled under my feet. >> >> Are they from your ISP? > > No. But of course they claim that I am already their customer. I'm > probably the only one in the street who does immediately spot that > lie. Ah, ok. Maybe we got phone calls from other companies. On foot, no. > >> It doesn't matter if there is no advantage, copper exchanges were >> disabled and then removed, and the premises sold or rented. > > That what used to be the copper exchange holding the telephony stuff > is gone already, we have MSANs (Multi Service Access Nodes) on the > curb where the fiber lines terminate and the VDSL vectoring lines > (usually just a couple of hundred meters long) branch out. VDSL > vectoring can do 250/40. > >>> That being said, I'm going to have the fiber laid in the very second I >>> can have it laid, but that's mainly to keep the value of the real >>> estate (and I plan to use the digging activities to put a fat power >>> cable out there since the next car I buy will surely be electric). >> >> :-) >> >> In my case, the fibre and the power are on the walls. > > Everyhing buried here. The law says anything new must be buried. But these are old houses, and they are still discussing who is going to dig the street and put the piping. Nobody is willing, so they put the wires in the same place as the old wires. In our walls. The thing is that tubes will be shared by all companies, so nobody wants to be the first to put the tubes and get then used by the rest, without paying for it. And the council looks away. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 08:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10kob71$1cheg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81343 |
On 1/20/26 04:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-20 10:46, Marc Haber wrote: >> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 09:54:15 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >>>> The one thing that the fiber companies can to well is lying at the >>>> customer, for example sending sales people from door to door with >>>> the news that the residents MUST buy fiber because their DSL will be >>>> turned off and decommissioned "later this year" and that they will >>>> be without Internet if they don't sign up with the fiber company. >>> >>> In our case that’s no lie. The copper network is being decommissioned, >>> region by region, and DSL along with it. >> >> Over here it's still a few years until then. I had TWO of those sales >> people stopping by my place in the last six weeks, all claiming that I >> need to sign up with their fiber RIGHT NOW to avoid my Internet from >> being canceled under my feet. > > Are they from your ISP? > > Here, they did not come. They phoned and simply offered an improvement. > I had TV via encoded pay satellite. They made an offer that was actually > cheaper including TV, land line, internet, and mobile phone. Years > before my neighbours were forced to change. > > I could see that the multiplexer box had only three clients in my block. > >> My street doesn't even have the fiber-to-the-home laid yet (we have >> the multicore conduit, but neither the building branch lines nor the >> actual fiber in there yet), what they claim to be fiber is exactly the >> same service they're selling right now, >> fiber-to-the-curb-with-last-mile-DSL für one of them, and >> fiber-to-the-neighborhood-with-last-mile-coax for the other. >> >> The fiber-to-the-neighborhood-with-last-mile-coax company is even >> unlikely to get access to the fiber-to-the-home infrastructure once >> it's been built. >> >>> There is this stereotype of the Germans being well-organized; I can’t >>> help feeling that NZ has outdone them in this one instance, of >>> managing the transition to fibre. ? >> >> I have to admit that we used to be well-organized, but especially >> regarding public matters we lost it in the last decade. In the early >> 1980es, political corruption made us settle to running coax-based >> copper cable TV to the buildings instead of doing fiber, and we're >> still suffering from that mistake. The majority of residential >> Internet here is DSL, with VDSL vectoring having re-monopolized the >> market ten years ago, with some neighborhoods having copper coax cable >> providing an alternative for broadband. >> >> We're building fiber like crazy and spending insane amounts of money, >> but it'll be a couple of years until we'll have parity between the >> copper technologies and fiber. >> >> And, frankly speaking, I don't see the necessity of replacing existing >> copper broadband with fiber. For example, I work online, I would be >> lost without Internet at home, but I don't even have the maximum >> bandwith plan that my technology (VDSL vectoring) offers. I would >> change to another plan if it offered more upstream bandwidth, but the >> fiber operators artificially emulate the absurdly asymmetric plans >> from the legacy technologies, so fiber doesn't really have an >> advantage for me (aside from less power demand and a few milliseconds >> of less latency). > > Not here. I have 1G in both directions. Up to, that's the key word, > because GPON divides the total bandwidth between the clients. > > It doesn't matter if there is no advantage, copper exchanges were > disabled and then removed, and the premises sold or rented. > >> >> That being said, I'm going to have the fiber laid in the very second I >> can have it laid, but that's mainly to keep the value of the real >> estate (and I plan to use the digging activities to put a fat power >> cable out there since the next car I buy will surely be electric). > > :-) > > In my case, the fibre and the power are on the walls. > One reason to replace copper with fibre or fiber optical in either case is that accessiblem lower voltage copper is being stolen from public facilities. It is resold to dealers in junk and recycling. It is a problem in Bay Area Cities. bliss
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 19:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <biQbR.190520$yE3b.17633@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #81356 |
On 2026-01-20, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: > One reason to replace copper with fibre or fiber optical in > either case is that accessiblem lower voltage copper is being stolen > from public facilities. > It is resold to dealers in junk and recycling. It is a problem in > Bay Area Cities. We've had a rash of thefts up here too. There's been a mention of keeping a close eye on recycling depots to try to catch the thieves. The worst part is that some of the easiest copper to steal is ground wire. We can only hope that the thieves get zapped before some innocent victim does. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 20:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <cd354mx4n3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81362 |
On 2026-01-20 20:01, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-01-20, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: > >> One reason to replace copper with fibre or fiber optical in >> either case is that accessiblem lower voltage copper is being stolen >> from public facilities. >> It is resold to dealers in junk and recycling. It is a problem in >> Bay Area Cities. Yes, here too, but phone copper wires are way too thin, or with lots of insulation, it is not profitable work. Sometimes they steal the power wire of trains, leaving them stranded in the middle of nowhere. > > We've had a rash of thefts up here too. There's been a mention > of keeping a close eye on recycling depots to try to catch the > thieves. > > The worst part is that some of the easiest copper to steal > is ground wire. We can only hope that the thieves get zapped > before some innocent victim does. Some have. :-} -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 12:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10koqac$1iall$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81367 |
On 1/20/26 11:59, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-20 20:01, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-01-20, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: >> >>> One reason to replace copper with fibre or fiber optical in >>> either case is that accessiblem lower voltage copper is being stolen >>> from public facilities. >>> It is resold to dealers in junk and recycling. It is a problem in >>> Bay Area Cities. > > Yes, here too, but phone copper wires are way too thin, or with lots of > insulation, it is not profitable work. > > Sometimes they steal the power wire of trains, leaving them stranded in > the middle of nowhere. > >> >> We've had a rash of thefts up here too. There's been a mention >> of keeping a close eye on recycling depots to try to catch the >> thieves. >> >> The worst part is that some of the easiest copper to steal >> is ground wire. We can only hope that the thieves get zapped >> before some innocent victim does. > > Some have. :-} > Some in the Bay Area have tried for less accessible and higher voltage wires/cables in substations and have been severely injured and I believe one was killed by the current. Some years back a main cable was cut for some obscure reason down the Peninsula where it was not closely suppervized. bliss
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| From | jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 13:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <87fr811niz.fsf@atr2.ath.cx> |
| In reply to | #81275 |
Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> writes:
> In France we have a decently correct ISP market too. But it means we can
> chose our ISP. Mostly the biggest ISP come with their router and we have
> to use it. The possibility to choose one's ISP doesn't imply we can
> choose our router.
Why do you have to use it? Here in NY, we have cable and fiber and maybe
some other little ones I've not noticed. The fiber is about the same
price as the cable, but it does (I've heard) CGNAT so that's a
deal-breaker for me. I'm not sure of fiber support for ip6. The cable
does ip6 prefix delegation so I get an entire bank of ip6 addresses -
enough to connect everything I have that speaks ip6.
They let me do my thing, so I stay with them. Their website is
absolutely terrible and doesn't work properly with Linux much of the
time. It's almost impossible to talk to a real person to solve an issue
and you have to fix a broken internet connection with another internet
connection. Yup, it's all with mobile and text and "please visit this
link". Putting a new modem on the network used to be a matter of giving
them your HFC MAC address. This last time it took two hours and I had to
chant "cancel cancel cancel cancel" over and over to get a person that
could put the modem on the network. I think it's Charter on the backend
but their branding is Spectrum. They block Windows networking over ip4
but not ip6. Thankfully it's very rare I have to call them. My new place
did need new wiring when I moved in but now it's all set.
If you use their voice service too, you have to use their modem else you
can use your own. They have routers, which I hear are not the best but
you do not have to use them. My Linux box *is* the router. There's
relatively little traffic on ip6.
--
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 10:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kfj6p$1npl2$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81205 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >I will admit I like 192.168.1.102 better than fe80::e8fa:7f5c:da23:aa05. How about fe80::1 as a default gateway, everywhere? >I suppose with enough fucking around I could get sftp to work with IPv6 on >my LAN but I see absolutely no reason to. I do sftp <hostname> and it uses IPv6. I don't even notice that. In fact, my network is so much IPv6 in these days that _I_ usually don't even notice for hours when IPv4 is broken. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 18:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <msve1oF8gjcU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81185 |
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 11:04:48 +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > Please let us know what you want to know and what you want to do. You see, that's the thing. I don't want to do anything with all that information. If anything I might want to know what local address the wifi hotspot assigned to the device. ifconfig is fine.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 07:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10kdbp0$1jgtj$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81162 |
rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 07:15:04 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > >> Richard Kettlewell wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: >> >>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes: >>>> >>>> <snip> >>> >>> ifconfig omits quite basic information. For example it misses out most >>> of the IPv4 addresses. >>> >>> $ ifconfig br0 >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> $ ip addr show br0 >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> It also doesn’t seem to know about bridge membership: >>> >>> $ ip addr show eno1.1 >>> >>> <snip> >> >> Don't forget to mention that ip addr has nice color coding :-) > > I suppose it would help if I knew what 'inet6 > 2600:100e:b036:72f8:38ba:e736:ff86:ba23/64 scope global deprecated dynamic > mngtmpaddr noprefixroute' > > is telling me or, for that matter what ifconfig's entry means. That's on you, bro. Educate yourself. :-) > inet6 2600:100e:b036:72f8:38ba:e736:ff86:ba23 prefixlen 64 scopeid > 0x0<global> > > I'm not a network admin and it's all noise to me. '-h' and '-p' are the > same although 'j' does emit json. I used to know a lot of this stuff (training and all), but haven't used it in years. -- He liked fishing a little too much, and he believed that work was something a man did when he had to. He had always been able to get along well enough without it, especially for the last couple of years. -- "The Stone Giant", James P. Blaylock
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 14:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kdj90$1ntob$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81189 |
On 16/01/2026 12:43, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 07:15:04 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> >>> Richard Kettlewell wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: >>> >>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes: >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> ifconfig omits quite basic information. For example it misses out most >>>> of the IPv4 addresses. >>>> >>>> $ ifconfig br0 >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> $ ip addr show br0 >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> It also doesn’t seem to know about bridge membership: >>>> >>>> $ ip addr show eno1.1 >>>> >>>> <snip> >>> >>> Don't forget to mention that ip addr has nice color coding :-) >> >> I suppose it would help if I knew what 'inet6 >> 2600:100e:b036:72f8:38ba:e736:ff86:ba23/64 scope global deprecated dynamic >> mngtmpaddr noprefixroute' >> >> is telling me or, for that matter what ifconfig's entry means. > > That's on you, bro. Educate yourself. :-) > >> inet6 2600:100e:b036:72f8:38ba:e736:ff86:ba23 prefixlen 64 scopeid >> 0x0<global> >> >> I'm not a network admin and it's all noise to me. '-h' and '-p' are the >> same although 'j' does emit json. > > I used to know a lot of this stuff (training and all), but haven't > used it in years. > The problem with Unix and subsequently Linux is that the networking paradigms predate the Internet, and there is stuff in there that isn't relevant to normal users. Its deep magic only occasionally useful. The GUI interfaces render most of that stuff invisible with the usual features only, being addressed. -- "Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will let them."
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 18:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <msvdefF8gjcU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81189 |
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 07:43:12 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > I used to know a lot of this stuff (training and all), but haven't used > it in years. There are many things I accept as magic or something I'm only going to dig into if absolutely necessary. I wrote a couple of Windows utilities to run periodically and log the state of the network. Without access to Subversion I don't know when but it was a while back. Looking at the code now I must have been inspired by the Gods. It's clear how it works but I must have done a lot of research into the Windows API calls to get and interpret information. 'I've forgotten more about XYZ than most people ever knew' is an unfortunate fact, not hubris.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-14 23:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10k9aif$btvl$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81125 |
On 2026-01-14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Jack Wallen’s list > <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/> > of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, > is a mixed bag. Before I entertain the idea of reading that article, do you happen to know if it's entirely new content or if it's just a similarly bumped article from months ago, with or without modifications? It's just that it wouldn't be the first time. http://web.archive.org/web/20250812162303if_/https://www.zdnet.com/article/im-a-linux-expert-and-here-are-6-commands-i-cant-live-without/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/im-a-linux-expert-and-here-are-6-commands-i-cant-live-without/ (now redirects to the address of the recycled article) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 03:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <msr4cnFh7btU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81125 |
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 21:54:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Jack Wallen’s list > <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/ > > of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, is > a mixed bag. I'm getting ready to nominate Wallen for asshole of the year award. ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip man page to coax the info out of it. It is present in Linux Mint 22.3 :) I was talking to the guy who is running the library's Linux project. He himself has only been using Linux for a few months and isn't comfortable on the command line. He asked if there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't ask why it's 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years. He was also happy to find Linux has a 'hosts' file just like Windows.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 00:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ciSdnTVC5_Il5_X0nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #81136 |
On 1/14/26 22:14, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 21:54:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> Jack Wallen’s list >> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/ >> >> of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, is >> a mixed bag. > > I'm getting ready to nominate Wallen for asshole of the year award. > ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip man > page to coax the info out of it. FULLY agreed ! 'ip' delivers WAY too much info in crappy format or with lots or really weird CL params. 'ifconfig' tells you what you usually need to know and can set important options easily. "New And Improved" often ISN'T. Too many developers with CompSci backgrounds now ??? > It is present in Linux Mint 22.3 :) I was talking to the guy who is > running the library's Linux project. He himself has only been using Linux > for a few months and isn't comfortable on the command line. He asked if > there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't ask why it's > 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years. Well, Win loathes to be like Lin and vice-versa :-) > He was also happy to find Linux has a 'hosts' file just like Windows. Yep. A bit different though. Me, gave up Win after XP. It just got worse and worse and worse. HAD to do some office stuff with Win workstations - but HATED it. No, they were NOT gonna switch to Linux, could BARELY cope with Winders. Only ONE other guy there understood/liked Linux ... a Mint-o-Phile. All good. We got along well. I eventually moved to MX for everything - a happy medium with perks.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hNaaR.126258$Ij5a.24898@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #81139 |
On 2026-01-15, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 1/14/26 22:14, rbowman wrote: > >> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 21:54:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> Jack Wallen’s list >>> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/ >>> >>> of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, is >>> a mixed bag. >> >> I'm getting ready to nominate Wallen for asshole of the year award. >> ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip man >> page to coax the info out of it. > > FULLY agreed ! 'ip' delivers WAY too much info in > crappy format or with lots or really weird CL params. > 'ifconfig' tells you what you usually need to know > and can set important options easily. > > "New And Improved" often ISN'T. Too many developers > with CompSci backgrounds now ??? I generally agree, although "ip -brief addr" usually gives me what I need in a concise form. >> It is present in Linux Mint 22.3 :) I was talking to the guy who is >> running the library's Linux project. He himself has only been using Linux >> for a few months and isn't comfortable on the command line. He asked if >> there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't ask why it's >> 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years. > > Well, Win loathes to be like Lin and vice-versa :-) Except when M$ is playing its "embrace, extend, extinguish" games. >> He was also happy to find Linux has a 'hosts' file just like Windows. > > Yep. A bit different though. > > Me, gave up Win after XP. It just got worse and > worse and worse. HAD to do some office stuff with > Win workstations - but HATED it. No, they were > NOT gonna switch to Linux, could BARELY cope with > Winders. Only ONE other guy there understood/liked > Linux ... a Mint-o-Phile. All good. We got along well. > I eventually moved to MX for everything - a happy > medium with perks. IMHO Windows' usability peaked somewhere between 2000 and XP, and has been going downhill ever since. I run a copy of XP under VirtualBox - it still gives me what I need to develop Windows software, since I'm mostly doing back-end stuff. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 21:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kbkpe$13oio$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81165 |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 18:58:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > IMHO Windows' usability peaked somewhere between 2000 and XP ... The only version of “Windows” the product available around that time was Windows ME. Remember that the product “Windows 2000” was actually a version of “Windows NT”, not “Windows”. Windows NT only took over the “Windows” name with the coming of Windows XP.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 13:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <c4op3mxqoq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81165 |
On 2026-01-15 19:58, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-01-15, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 1/14/26 22:14, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 21:54:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> Jack Wallen’s list >>>> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/ >>>> >>>> of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, is >>>> a mixed bag. >>> >>> I'm getting ready to nominate Wallen for asshole of the year award. >>> ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip man >>> page to coax the info out of it. >> >> FULLY agreed ! 'ip' delivers WAY too much info in >> crappy format or with lots or really weird CL params. >> 'ifconfig' tells you what you usually need to know >> and can set important options easily. >> >> "New And Improved" often ISN'T. Too many developers >> with CompSci backgrounds now ??? > > I generally agree, although "ip -brief addr" usually > gives me what I need in a concise form. Ok, but more difficult to remember. Buff, it even uses long params with single dash. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 21:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ke9bc$2091b$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81188 |
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 13:39:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-01-15 19:58, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> ... "ip -brief addr" usually gives me what I need in a concise
>> form.
>
> Ok, but more difficult to remember.
ip addr help
or, for those who aren’t squeamish about man pages:
man ip-address
(just remember you can’t abbreviate it to “ip-addr”).
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 22:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <74nq3mx55p.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81209 |
On 2026-01-16 22:07, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 13:39:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2026-01-15 19:58, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>> ... "ip -brief addr" usually gives me what I need in a concise >>> form. >> >> Ok, but more difficult to remember. > > ip addr help > > or, for those who aren’t squeamish about man pages: > > man ip-address > > (just remember you can’t abbreviate it to “ip-addr”). All that slower than simply calling again ifconfig. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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