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Killer price on a mini PC

Started by"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Last post2026-09-25 17:55 +0000
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  Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:38 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:46 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:24 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:15 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-09-18 22:10 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
                            screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
                                                    Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 07:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 01:56 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 08:20 -0700
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:05 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 19:03 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
                                            OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                                                                                    OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:47 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:47 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-12 11:58 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +1100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:17 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
                                                                      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-09 20:09 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 07:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-10 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:52 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 22:15 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 03:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:17 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:58 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 20:45 +0200
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 22:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:53 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:54 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:39 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:53 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-16 19:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 23:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:02 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 12:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:41 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 12:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 15:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:08 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:27 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:38 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 01:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:28 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:59 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:40 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 00:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:29 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 21:56 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-11 20:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:11 +1100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 02:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:58 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 07:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 03:13 -0400
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:07 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:21 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-13 22:36 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:09 +1100
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                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:36 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 23:15 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:53 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:32 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-14 11:34 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-10-16 13:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 15:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-17 23:09 +1100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 10:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 12:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:27 +0200
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:46 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:57 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:11 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:26 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 03:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:35 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-10 12:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 13:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 05:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:21 +1100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:18 +1100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 10:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 17:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:05 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:24 +1100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-12 19:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:19 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 04:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:05 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:56 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-07 22:31 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 00:58 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:51 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:14 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:56 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:10 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:59 +1100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:21 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Carlos <crazyhotwrse8@stinty.org> - 2026-10-03 20:41 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 21:28 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                              [OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:55 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:40 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:25 +0100
                                                                                                                  [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:54 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:57 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:56 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:12 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:04 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:31 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:59 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:04 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:19 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:41 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:27 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:09 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:14 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:27 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:37 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:45 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:38 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 16:29 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:51 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 14:43 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 14:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:51 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 04:40 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:19 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:20 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:32 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-18 22:00 +1100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:24 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:42 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 01:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 16:28 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:36 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:12 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-10 12:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:11 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:07 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:46 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:22 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 14:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:33 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:31 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:35 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:50 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:20 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 23:18 +1100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:40 -0500
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:47 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:02 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 13:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 15:41 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 19:35 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:36 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:02 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 01:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-30 22:07 +1000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:51 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:31 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 23:02 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:21 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 01:09 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:08 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:28 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:14 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:11 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:31 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 17:44 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 17:37 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:29 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:56 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:48 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:05 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:43 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:33 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:58 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:33 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:06 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:51 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 02:41 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:31 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:11 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:10 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:00 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:40 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:57 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 21:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 18:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 01:03 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:31 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:29 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:10 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:23 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:36 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:24 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:47 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:34 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 02:50 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:46 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-02 03:59 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-02 18:17 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 16:28 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:51 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:44 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:27 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 17:55 +0000

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#93618 — Re: OT - TV

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-13 20:16 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11am01r$r69f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93613
On 2026/10/13 19:59:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[]
> I just noticed a driving school car that stopped to let me cross the 
> street at a designated crossing. I noticed that when I passed it 
> stalled, something that is typical of novices with a manual shift :-)
> 
> My guess is that driving students choose to learn with a manual, because 
> the license allows them to drive any car. More useful. And possibly 

I'm sure you are right for someone learning to drive, for that licence
reason; but there are (or were? Not sure if still) models that turn off
the engine whenever the car is stationary for more than a preset short
period. they have bigger batteries for all the extra starts, and I think
_may_ have regen. braking to help keep it charged - so could be (and no
doubt are) called hybrids, but they aren't really, in that there is no
electric _propulsion_ involved. [Are those what are/were called "mild
hybrids"?]


> manual cars are smaller and cheaper.
> 
I think so, still, at least for basic models. Though
tariffs/quotas/whatever may change that, if it hasn't already.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"English doesn't borrow from other languages.  It follows them down
dark alleys, clubs them on the head, and rifles through their pockets
for loose grammar."

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#93622 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 22:16 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<b5g2qmx3rg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93618
On 2026-10-13 21:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/13 19:59:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> []
>> I just noticed a driving school car that stopped to let me cross the
>> street at a designated crossing. I noticed that when I passed it
>> stalled, something that is typical of novices with a manual shift :-)
>>
>> My guess is that driving students choose to learn with a manual, because
>> the license allows them to drive any car. More useful. And possibly
> 
> I'm sure you are right for someone learning to drive, for that licence
> reason; but there are (or were? Not sure if still) models that turn off
> the engine whenever the car is stationary for more than a preset short
> period. they have bigger batteries for all the extra starts, and I think
> _may_ have regen. braking to help keep it charged - so could be (and no
> doubt are) called hybrids, but they aren't really, in that there is no
> electric _propulsion_ involved. [Are those what are/were called "mild
> hybrids"?]

start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.

I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
system.

Some cars use the alternator to start.

> 
> 
>> manual cars are smaller and cheaper.
>>
> I think so, still, at least for basic models. Though
> tariffs/quotas/whatever may change that, if it hasn't already.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93626 — Re: OT - TV

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-13 23:15 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj7osiFqnsmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93622
"Carlos E.R." wrote:

> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
> 
> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
> system.
> 
> Some cars use the alternator to start.

My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty 
replacement)

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#93627 — Re: OT - TV

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 23:52 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<GuzzS.2$1l6.0@fx42.iad>
In reply to#93626
On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>
>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>> 
>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
>> system.
>> 
>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>
> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty 
> replacement)

Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
cars that don't stop and start at every light.

A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93629 — Re: OT - TV

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 20:39 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11amivc$11quj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93627
On Tue, 10/13/2026 7:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> 
>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>
>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
>>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
>>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
>>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>
>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
>>> system.
>>>
>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>
>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty 
>> replacement)
> 
> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
> 
> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
> 

Various bits get redesigned.

https://www.powerelectronictips.com/understanding-stop-start-automobile-engine-design-part-4-mechanical-wear-issues/

   Paul

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#93636 — Re: OT - TV

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 03:21 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<NyCzS.2$Rkm.1@fx36.iad>
In reply to#93629
On 2026-10-14, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 10/13/2026 7:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>>
>>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
>>>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
>>>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
>>>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>>
>>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>>
>>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty 
>>> replacement)
>> 
>> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
>> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
>> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
>> 
>> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
>> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
>> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
>> 
>
> Various bits get redesigned.
>
> https://www.powerelectronictips.com/understanding-stop-start-automobile-engine-design-part-4-mechanical-wear-issues/

Wow.  Looks like some people have actually been giving this
some thought.  I guess I've just become too jaded by decades
of exposure to shitty software design.  I'm saving those
references for when I have time to read more of them.

I am gratified to see that my 10x estimate is on the money.
Looks like my brain's SWAG (scientific wild-assed guess)
mechanism is still in good working order.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93651 — Re: OT - TV

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-14 01:18 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<tnGdnbPd1pIhjVL3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#93636
On 10/13/26 23:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-14, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 10/13/2026 7:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It
>>>>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are
>>>>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of
>>>>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>>>
>>>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>>>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty
>>>> replacement)
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
>>> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
>>> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
>>>
>>> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
>>> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
>>> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
>>>
>>
>> Various bits get redesigned.
>>
>> https://www.powerelectronictips.com/understanding-stop-start-automobile-engine-design-part-4-mechanical-wear-issues/
> 
> Wow.  Looks like some people have actually been giving this
> some thought.  I guess I've just become too jaded by decades
> of exposure to shitty software design.  I'm saving those
> references for when I have time to read more of them.
> 
> I am gratified to see that my 10x estimate is on the money.
> Looks like my brain's SWAG (scientific wild-assed guess)
> mechanism is still in good working order.
> 

   Shitty software design - nothing THAT new, but
   getting worse and worse.

   AI will make it not only 'worse' but far more
   incomprehensible.

   What DOES it do and WHY ? Nobody will KNOW
   with AI-designed software. It's already beyond
   most human comprehension. Two or three years ...

   As for "SWAG" ... nothing new there. It'll
   just get Even Worse, fast.

   For fun, and because it was cheap, I bought
   a CHAT subscription. $20 ... not so bad.
   Had it do a few fun images - plus a non-
   blocking server in Python. Haven't fully
   tested that yet, but LOOKS ok. Not so
   much different from human-writ examples
   we can find online.

   Frankly 'servers' are more traditionally
   writ in 'C' - and have done some - but
   for lower-speed stuff Python will do fine.
   That's all I need now.

   DO look into 'threaded' and 'dynamically
   threaded' servers - very highest performance.
   Not AS easy to follow, but for outward-facing
   servers with high-volume, still The Best.

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#93673 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 12:42 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<gu24qmxp0v.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93629
On 2026-10-14 02:39, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, 10/13/2026 7:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>>
>>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It
>>>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are
>>>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of
>>>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>>
>>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>>
>>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty
>>> replacement)
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
>> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
>> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
>>
>> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
>> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
>> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
>>
> 
> Various bits get redesigned.
> 
> https://www.powerelectronictips.com/understanding-stop-start-automobile-engine-design-part-4-mechanical-wear-issues/

Interesting.



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93655 — Re: OT - TV

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-14 08:02 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj8nopFkf2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93627
Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
> cars that don't stop and start at every light.

I had the car for 8 years, it was ok for that time, which I'd expect, I 
don't aim to own cars for long enough for them to start going wrong.

> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.

It had a 'normal' pinion starter (i.e. with teeth) but when it did the 
stop/start trick, it used the alternator as a secondary starter, and the 
start was much quicker than a cold start, so it turned the engine via 
the ribbed 'fan' belt, therefore no teeth to break.

It had rules for when it would use stop/start (oil temp not too cold, 
battery charge not too low, aircon not working too hard, etc)

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#93664 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 09:16 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11andoi$194fq$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93655
On 14/10/2026 08:02, Andy Burns wrote:
> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
> on the flywheel.

Try not biting down hard on them


-- 
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone 
gets full Marx.

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#93665 — Re: OT - TV

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-14 04:42 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<SfCcnQbFtqzt3VL3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#93655
On 10/14/26 03:02, Andy Burns wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
>> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
>> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
> 
> I had the car for 8 years, it was ok for that time, which I'd expect, I 
> don't aim to own cars for long enough for them to start going wrong.

   There is some logic in that.

   However it'd sure be NICE to have a car
   that'd hold up really well for 200k miles
   or so. Toyotas ? Maybe worth the extra $$$.

>> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
>> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
>> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.

   What, with modern design/engineering they can't
   make a robust flywheel ????????

   Bullshit !

> It had a 'normal' pinion starter (i.e. with teeth) but when it did the 
> stop/start trick, it used the alternator as a secondary starter, and the 
> start was much quicker than a cold start, so it turned the engine via 
> the ribbed 'fan' belt, therefore no teeth to break.
> 
> It had rules for when it would use stop/start (oil temp not too cold, 
> battery charge not too low, aircon not working too hard, etc)

   USA cars, 1959, WORKED. The flywheels would not
   fall apart. The valve train would not fall apart.
   Even the damned starter motor - it could be
   replaced quick cheap and easy.

   What the fuck HAPPENED - and WHY did we put
   up with it ???????

   Past time for a new American brand - something
   truly "robust" and dead functional.

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#93684 — Re: OT - TV

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-14 14:18 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj9dpoF3rkfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93665
c186282 wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> I don't aim to own cars for long enough for them to start going wrong.
> 
>    There is some logic in that.
> 
>    However it'd sure be NICE to have a car
>    that'd hold up really well for 200k miles
>    or so. Toyotas ? Maybe worth the extra $$$.

I have switched to Toyota this time, not quite the finish of Audi or 
Lexus, and not /that/ much cheaper to buy, but cheapest compact SUV to 
insure.

>>> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
>>> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
>>> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
> 
>    What, with modern design/engineering they can't
>    make a robust flywheel ????????
> 
>    Bullshit !

If a mechanic encounters one stop/start car with a broken tooth on the 
flywheel, he'll tend to think they're all liable to do the same, where 
as I explained, plenty of them will use the alternator as a motor to 
start via the belt anyway.

>    USA cars, 1959, WORKED. The flywheels would not
>    fall apart. The valve train would not fall apart.
>    Even the damned starter motor - it could be
>    replaced quick cheap and easy.
> 
>    What the fuck HAPPENED - and WHY did we put
>    up with it ???????

Value engineering happened, old-fashioned British over-engineering no 
longer does.

>    Past time for a new American brand - something
>    truly "robust" and dead functional.

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#93689 — Re: OT - TV

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-14 14:45 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11ao126$1h604$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93665
On 2026/10/14 9:42:31, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/14/26 03:02, Andy Burns wrote:
[SNIP]
>    USA cars, 1959, WORKED. The flywheels would not
>    fall apart. The valve train would not fall apart.
>    Even the damned starter motor - it could be
>    replaced quick cheap and easy.
> 
>    What the fuck HAPPENED - and WHY did we put
>    up with it ???????
> 
>    Past time for a new American brand - something
>    truly "robust" and dead functional.
> 
Trouble is, because of the extra metal, and the design effort needing to
be paid for, you'd end up with something costing more for the same
(possibly even slightly worse because heavier) performance - which
wouldn't sell. Sure, people'd get their money back eventually - but
would have to keep the car (or other consumer product) long enough to
see it, and many can't look that far ahead - and that's before the
modern obsession with always having the latest. ("I don't change my
'phone every time the bell rings" - Sir David Attenborough.)

(You can leave the "American" out - same applies everywhere.)

So there's little incentive for the manufacturers to develop such a
product. There _would_ be a market - but not big enough to get the
economies of scale. (Plus, the manufacturers _like_ us to buy new every
X years, of course.)

Another alternative would be to have reliability much as it is now, but
have parts much more easily replaceable - such as engines; truly slot-in
replacements. But, again, there's no incentive for manufacturers to do
that, and some incentive for them not to.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Who were your favourite TV stars or shows when you were a child?
Sadly they've all been arrested ...
Ian Hislop, in Radio Times 28 September-4 October 2013

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#93693 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 16:25 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<d0g4qmxo2m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93689
On 2026-10-14 15:45, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/14 9:42:31, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/14/26 03:02, Andy Burns wrote:
> [SNIP]
>>     USA cars, 1959, WORKED. The flywheels would not
>>     fall apart. The valve train would not fall apart.
>>     Even the damned starter motor - it could be
>>     replaced quick cheap and easy.
>>
>>     What the fuck HAPPENED - and WHY did we put
>>     up with it ???????
>>
>>     Past time for a new American brand - something
>>     truly "robust" and dead functional.
>>
> Trouble is, because of the extra metal, and the design effort needing to
> be paid for, you'd end up with something costing more for the same
> (possibly even slightly worse because heavier) performance - which
> wouldn't sell. Sure, people'd get their money back eventually - but
> would have to keep the car (or other consumer product) long enough to
> see it, and many can't look that far ahead - and that's before the
> modern obsession with always having the latest. ("I don't change my
> 'phone every time the bell rings" - Sir David Attenborough.)
> 
> (You can leave the "American" out - same applies everywhere.)
> 
> So there's little incentive for the manufacturers to develop such a
> product. There _would_ be a market - but not big enough to get the
> economies of scale. (Plus, the manufacturers _like_ us to buy new every
> X years, of course.)

In the EU there is much the incentive for start-stop cars. The gas 
emissions in the city cycle part officially prescribed test is much lower.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93671 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 12:34 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<0e24qmxdet.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93627
On 2026-10-14 01:52, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> 
>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>
>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It
>>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are
>>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of
>>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>
>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this
>>> system.
>>>
>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>
>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty
>> replacement)
> 
> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
> 
> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
> 

Which is why some use the alternator for this task.

Those parts are just built better and sturdier :-D

I did not find out on mine, because I sold it when the power steering 
(electric) gave up early. I'm not happy with Opel quality.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93672 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 12:31 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<u824qmxdet.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93626
On 2026-10-14 00:15, Andy Burns wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
> 
>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or 
>> of course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>
>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for 
>> this system.
>>
>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
> 
> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty 
> replacement)

Fan belt? You actually had a fan moved by a belt? I have not seen that 
in forty years, here (AFAIK) all the fans are electric.

Unless "fan belt" is just the name.

Typically the belt moves the alternator, the water pump, maybe the air 
conditioner compressor...

Some brands had the bright idea of having a cam shaft rubber belt 
submerged in oil (groan).

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93677 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 13:21 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11ans3f$1dpa5$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93672
On 14/10/2026 11:31, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-14 00:15, Andy Burns wrote:
>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>
>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. 
>>> It saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you 
>>> are stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, 
>>> or of course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>
>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for 
>>> this system.
>>>
>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>
>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old 
>> (warranty replacement)
> 
> Fan belt? You actually had a fan moved by a belt? I have not seen that 
> in forty years, here (AFAIK) all the fans are electric.
> 
> Unless "fan belt" is just the name.
> 
we tend to call it a fan belt even when its really an auxiliiary drive belt

Types of Vehicles Equipped with Viscous Fans

     Classic and Modern Rear-Wheel Drive Cars: Many traditional RWD 
sedans and sports cars (such as older Mercedes-Benz models like the 
Mercedes-Benz W108/W109, BMW/ZRoadster RWD platforms, and various 
classic European or Japanese tourers) rely on a belt-driven mechanical 
viscous fan.

     Off-Road and 4WD SUVs: Rugged, utility-focused 4x4s—most famously 
older Land Rover variants (like the 300TDI and V8 models), Toyota Land 
Cruisers, Jeeps, and Nissan Patrols—use viscous fans because they 
deliver high, reliable airflow during slow-speed rock crawling or heavy 
idling where electric fans might struggle.

     Light Commercial & Sprinter Vans: Delivery and utility vans (such 
as Mercedes-Benz Sprinters) frequently utilize viscous fan clutches to 
handle heavy payload heat management.

     Heavy-Duty Trucks & Commercial Vehicles: Long-haul semi-trucks, 
medium-duty delivery trucks, agricultural tractors, and construction or 
mining machinery heavily rely on viscous or electronically modulated 
viscous fan drives for massive cooling capacity

> Typically the belt moves the alternator, the water pump, maybe the air 
> conditioner compressor...
> 
Only in your extremely limited experience

> Some brands had the bright idea of having a cam shaft rubber belt 
> submerged in oil (groan).
> 

yes, Cam belts are quiet, in oil they are even quieter, They have even 
more limited life

-- 
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kind word alone.

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#93678 — Re: OT - TV

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-14 13:31 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj9b0nF3fagU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93677
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old 
>>> (warranty replacement)
>>
>> Fan belt? You actually had a fan moved by a belt? I have not seen that 
>> in forty years, here (AFAIK) all the fans are electric.
>> Unless "fan belt" is just the name.
>
> we tend to call it a fan belt even when its really an auxiliiary drive belt

I thought I'd written fan in scare quotes ...

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#93690 — Re: OT - TV

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-14 14:48 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11ao17h$1h604$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93678
On 2026/10/14 13:31:18, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[]
>> we tend to call it a fan belt even when its really an auxiliiary drive belt

(You and others beat me to that.)>
> I thought I'd written fan in scare quotes ...
> 
When did "quotes" become "scare quotes"? (Not getting at you, Andy; I've
noticed this creeping in in such contexts lately. The above line would
have had exactly the same meaning without "scare".)
-- 
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#93708 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 18:54 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nja1eaFc9lcU35@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93677
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 13:21:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> yes, Cam belts are quiet, in oil they are even quieter, They have even
> more limited life

One thing I like about the Toyota engine in my car is the gear driven 
cams. Belts and interference engines aren't a good combination. I had a 
Geo (rebranded Suzuki) with a serpentine belt. I replaced it at 80k to be 
on the safe side.

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