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| First post | 2025-11-08 02:01 -0500 |
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Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:01 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:31 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:32 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:08 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:51 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:38 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:50 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:57 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 23:58 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 11:25 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:48 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:29 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 09:18 -0800
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 20:13 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:47 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:09 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:15 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:33 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:23 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 01:03 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:57 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:36 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:50 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:38 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-12 16:38 -0800
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:29 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-13 05:07 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:09 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:42 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:37 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:46 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 05:31 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 06:00 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:08 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:55 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:30 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:56 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:54 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:17 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:38 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:20 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:50 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:18 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:54 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:28 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:25 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:49 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:49 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:31 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:33 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:21 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:13 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 05:40 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:20 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:31 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:39 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 19:48 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:53 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:37 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:51 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:40 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:01 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:33 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:27 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-12 12:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 14:17 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:51 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-13 22:38 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:30 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:10 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:51 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:08 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:40 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 16:26 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:51 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 19:22 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-14 17:34 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:54 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:37 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:09 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:05 +0000
Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 09:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 17:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-15 18:48 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 21:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 22:07 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 23:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:29 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-16 09:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-18 03:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 13:11 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-19 20:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:01 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:35 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:15 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:30 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:39 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:31 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-17 02:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 21:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:11 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 05:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-16 12:15 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:24 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 19:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-18 08:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-18 12:09 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:01 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 10:33 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:49 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 23:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 23:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 00:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-22 03:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 05:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 23:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-18 20:04 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-18 20:29 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 08:24 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 21:14 +0000
ISO 8859-1, ISO 8859-15 and their names (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-21 19:10 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-22 10:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-22 19:20 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-23 02:17 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 14:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 13:09 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 02:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-22 20:18 -0700
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 01:45 +0000
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 18:06 -0800
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:13 +0000
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 02:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:37 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 15:40 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-03 07:39 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:46 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-16 02:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 02:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 17:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-17 10:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:34 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-05 20:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-05 15:57 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 19:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-06 15:13 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-06 22:28 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 01:39 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 06:19 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-06 22:50 -0800
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-07 10:52 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-22 12:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:34 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:41 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-16 07:39 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:57 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:13 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:58 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:48 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-07 00:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-07 19:39 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:27 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:31 -0700
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:46 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:53 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 22:25 -0800
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:48 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:43 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 16:31 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 19:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 12:14 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:46 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:07 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:15 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:30 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 11:52 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 14:25 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:26 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 12:15 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:13 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:19 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 00:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:58 +0000
Greek origins of Christian scriptures [was Re: Recent history of vi] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-09 04:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-12-09 04:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-10 19:34 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-12 16:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-14 04:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:21 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 07:38 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 06:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:07 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-11 20:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:57 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 02:01 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 02:27 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:28 +0100
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:43 -0800
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 09:57 +0100
EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-12 09:53 +0000
Re: EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 11:51 +0100
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:26 +0000
Re: EU Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-13 12:01 +0100
Re: EU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:23 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:59 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 21:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:24 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:47 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:57 +0000
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 13:27 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:05 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:34 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:42 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 18:14 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:55 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 20:05 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 23:15 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:32 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:53 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:06 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:02 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:18 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:03 -0500
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:26 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:29 -0500
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-18 17:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:32 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 10:47 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:01 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:03 +0000
Re: EU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 14:08 -0800
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 22:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:12 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:41 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 07:06 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:21 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:06 +0000
Re: EU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-22 14:41 -0800
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 19:47 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 22:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:32 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:24 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:36 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:27 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:40 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-24 07:02 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:32 +0000
Re: EU Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:04 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:21 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-22 16:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:20 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:39 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:10 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:29 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 20:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:52 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 00:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:07 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 00:04 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 07:43 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:30 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 20:27 +0100
Yes,{, Prime} Minister (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-15 15:44 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 10:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-17 13:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:06 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:18 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:32 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:52 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-05 01:59 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:14 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:35 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:05 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:41 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:02 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:15 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100
ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2025-11-21 12:24 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-19 13:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-23 16:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-25 10:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 23:04 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:10 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-27 20:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:44 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-28 07:54 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:10 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-11-29 13:13 +1300
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-29 15:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-29 12:45 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:37 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 11:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 08:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-13 14:44 +0000
Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:35 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:48 +0000
Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-14 20:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:43 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:40 -0500
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:48 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 21:43 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:45 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:44 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:17 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:55 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:57 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:27 -0500
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 11:56 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:29 +0000
Re: Python mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2025-12-15 12:57 +0000
Re: Python Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-15 22:57 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:31 -0500
Re: Python Greg Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2025-12-16 17:51 +1300
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:32 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:45 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:54 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:11 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 19:17 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:10 -0500
Re: Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-18 03:28 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 23:02 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:54 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-18 04:25 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 19:22 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 01:14 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:44 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 07:40 -0700
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 18:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:28 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 12:52 -0700
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:53 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:37 -0500
Re: Python "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 10:32 -0600
Re: Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-03-04 20:01 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-04 21:29 +0100
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:37 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-04 14:09 -0700
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:35 +0000
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 23:10 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-04 20:30 -0500
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-04 20:13 -0700
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-05 03:49 +0000
Re: Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-05 17:42 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-05 20:02 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-05 14:42 -0500
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-06 00:12 +0000
Re: Python Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-03-06 09:02 +0000
Re: Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-05 02:44 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-05 03:50 +0000
Re: Python Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> - 2026-03-04 22:14 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:20 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:29 -0500
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:38 +0100
Re: Python Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 16:17 -0500
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:11 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:18 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:07 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:13 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 00:52 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 08:03 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:39 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-18 15:43 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:38 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:56 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:18 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 03:30 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:38 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:01 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:08 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 22:36 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:55 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 11:19 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 12:36 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 23:36 -0500
Re: Python candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-19 13:30 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:50 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:03 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:00 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:16 -0500
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:15 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:14 +0000
Re: Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-21 09:06 -0500
Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-21 18:31 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 21:00 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-22 07:29 +0100
Linux at work in the old days Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-22 07:20 -0500
Re: Linux at work in the old days rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:18 +0000
Re: Linux at work in the old days c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:41 -0500
Re: Linux at work in the old days Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-23 07:26 -0700
Re: Linux at work in the old days Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 20:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-22 21:26 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 00:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:55 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 06:34 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 12:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 20:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 14:21 -0800
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 05:33 -0500
The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:49 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-12-27 15:29 +0100
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:21 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:17 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 04:09 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2025-12-28 18:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:22 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:06 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 04:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 02:31 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 17:09 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:33 -0700
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 15:40 -0800
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 01:30 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 08:57 -0800
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:51 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:06 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:38 +0100
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:11 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-30 07:38 -0700
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 15:04 +0000
Innovation (was Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-30 21:40 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 22:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 19:23 -0700
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 03:53 +0000
OT: incompetence of companies (was: Re: naughty Python) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 10:03 +0000
Re: OT: incompetence of companies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:14 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 21:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 19:47 -0500
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 01:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 03:07 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:45 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:11 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:13 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:13 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:21 -0500
Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 22:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:32 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 07:28 -0700
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 15:55 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:40 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:29 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:18 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 22:22 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:12 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:56 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-01-04 09:22 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:16 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 21:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:11 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 10:49 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:57 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:37 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:21 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:28 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:04 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 14:22 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:47 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 02:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 22:37 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:56 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-08 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:57 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-07 09:41 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 10:29 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:42 -0500
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:01 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:45 -0800
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 18:23 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:11 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:23 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:48 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-08 19:32 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:36 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 18:46 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 22:15 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 20:13 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:40 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 22:23 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 07:58 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 08:06 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:51 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 10:54 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:36 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 13:24 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 07:42 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 19:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 13:03 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 23:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:39 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:05 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:49 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 21:19 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:45 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:45 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 14:26 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:17 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:26 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:29 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-10 18:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:50 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:48 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:19 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:07 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 12:14 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 09:45 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 20:51 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:03 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:31 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 05:39 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:17 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:29 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 17:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 20:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:30 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:05 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 17:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 03:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 22:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-13 07:41 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:38 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:00 +0000
Naughty Cat Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 14:29 -0500
Re: Naughty Cat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:42 +0000
Re: Naughty Cat Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-14 07:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 19:34 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:49 +0000
Tinned tuna [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:58 +0100
Oil down the drain [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:53 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:43 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:34 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:11 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 19:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 00:37 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:18 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:15 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:10 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 00:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 04:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:12 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:41 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 22:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 01:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-16 21:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2026-01-18 12:30 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 21:08 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-19 16:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:25 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-13 04:35 -0600
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 15:38 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 09:36 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-09 09:19 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:55 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 18:48 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:31 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:18 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:42 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 22:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:53 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:51 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:20 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:15 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:33 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:20 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:14 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 12:33 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:50 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 13:37 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:19 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:30 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:30 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:40 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:47 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:36 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:33 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 23:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:51 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:38 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 19:21 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 23:20 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:20 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:34 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:19 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:42 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 14:43 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:15 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 19:28 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:47 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:16 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 20:56 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-10 03:12 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:52 +0000
Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 00:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:54 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:36 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:13 -0700
Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:24 +0000
Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:49 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:43 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:47 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 00:27 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 18:41 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:06 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:44 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:40 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-11 05:55 -0600
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-11 14:18 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-11 17:00 +0100
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:44 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:49 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:52 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 17:03 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 20:16 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:01 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 06:31 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:09 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 14:21 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 17:54 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:46 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:31 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:24 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:36 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:04 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:52 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 23:34 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:50 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:55 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-12 02:42 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:50 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 09:14 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:12 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-12 14:48 -0600
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:48 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-11 01:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:41 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:42 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:33 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:54 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:40 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:09 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:46 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:19 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 12:39 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:53 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:06 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 23:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:41 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:59 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 21:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 20:09 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 02:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:05 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:48 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:15 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:39 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:25 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 20:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:25 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 14:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 21:43 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 23:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 20:14 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 05:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 06:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 06:58 +0000
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 17:14 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:58 -0500
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 21:11 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:37 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:24 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:51 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 10:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:27 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:54 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 07:10 -0500
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:34 +0100
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:38 +0100
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 08:49 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:26 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:08 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:32 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:08 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-03 02:47 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:03 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:43 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:42 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:29 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:14 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 09:43 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:18 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 19:04 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:55 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:29 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:59 -0500
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Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:43 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:08 +0000
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Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:25 -0500
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-05 20:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <kgV6R.153112$1mp6.27924@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #80532 |
Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> writes:
>On 1/3/26 01:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> "The statement "Pascal has no I/O" originates from
>> Brian Kernighan’s 1981 essay, "Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming
>> Language".
>>
>> Kernighan argued that the original 1970 definition of Pascal was
>> severely limited for systems programming because:
>>
>> No Low-Level Access: The language lacked a way to override its
>> strict type system, making it impossible to write its own I/O systems or
>> memory allocators *within the language itself*.
>>
>> Fixed Array Sizes: Because array size was part of the type, a
>> function could not be written to handle strings or arrays of different
>> lengths, complicating general-purpose file I/O.
>>
>> Lack of Portability: Standard Pascal’s I/O was considered
>> "primitive," and any real-world use required implementation-specific
>> extensions that broke portability between compilers."
>>
>
>Actually, many systems programming languages have no I/O, the idea being
>that non-OS programs call the OS to do the I/O, and the OS interacts
>directly with the hardware.
I did quite a bit of systems programming in VAX-11 Pascal. Digital
had extended the language to include the ability to call all the standard
system services directly from Pascal.
[INHERIT('SYS$SHARE:STARLET'),
IDENT('V03-001')]
PROGRAM Users( OUTPUT );
TYPE
Unsigned_byte = [BYTE] 0..255;
Signed_word = [WORD] -32768..+32767;
Unsigned_word = [WORD] 0..65535;
jpi$item = [BYTE(12)] PACKED RECORD
Buffer_length: [POS(0)] Unsigned_word;
Item_code: [POS(16)] Unsigned_word;
Buffer_address: [POS(32),LONG,UNSAFE] UNSIGNED;
Buflen_address: [POS(64),LONG,UNSAFE] UNSIGNED;
END;
Terminfo_rec = [BYTE(80)] RECORD
Csp_id: [BYTE(04),POS(0),KEY(0)] PACKED ARRAY [1..04] OF CHAR;
Junk: [BYTE(27)] PACKED ARRAY [1..27] OF CHAR;
Short: [BYTE(09)] PACKED ARRAY [1..09] OF CHAR;
Long: [BYTE(21)] PACKED ARRAY [1..21] OF CHAR;
Csp_long: [BYTE(07)] PACKED ARRAY [1..07] OF CHAR;
Filler: [BYTE(12)] PACKED ARRAY [1..12] OF CHAR;
END;
Csp_stat_rec = [LONG] PACKED RECORD
Ss_status: [POS(00)] Unsigned_word;
Port: [POS(16)] Unsigned_byte;
Machine: [POS(24)] Unsigned_byte;
END;
VAR
Terminal_file: FILE OF Terminfo_rec;
Terminal_record: Terminfo_rec;
Terminal_loc: VARYING [16] OF CHAR;
Csp_status: Csp_stat_rec;
Jpi_list: PACKED ARRAY [1..10] OF Jpi$item := (
( 12, JPI$_USERNAME, 0, 0),
( 4, JPI$_UIC, 0, 0),
( 4, JPI$_PID, 0, 0),
( 7, JPI$_TERMINAL, 0, 0),
( 15, JPI$_PRCNAM, 0, 0),
( 4, JPI$_GPGCNT, 0, 0),
( 4, JPI$_PPGCNT, 0, 0),
( 4, JPI$_STS, 0, 0),
( 8, JPI$_PROCPRIV, 0, 0),
( 0, 0, 0, 0) );
{************** JPI data area *****************}
Username: PACKED ARRAY [1..12] OF CHAR;
Terminal: PACKED ARRAY [1..07] OF CHAR;
Process_name: PACKED ARRAY [1..15] OF CHAR;
Uic: [LONG] PACKED RECORD
Member_num,
Group_num: Unsigned_word;
END;
Prcnam_len,
Terminal_len,
Process_status,
Process_id: UNSIGNED;
Global_pages,
Process_pages: INTEGER;
Process_privileges: [QUAD] PACKED ARRAY [1..2] OF UNSIGNED;
{**********************************************}
Wild_pid: INTEGER := -1;
User_count: [EXTERNAL(SYS$GW_IJOBCNT)] Unsigned_word;
Percent,
Total_memory,
Ss_status: [AUTOMATIC] INTEGER;
Nodename_length: [AUTOMATIC] Unsigned_word;
Node_name: PACKED ARRAY [1..80] OF CHAR;
Date_string,
Time_string: PACKED ARRAY [1..11] OF CHAR;
[ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] FUNCTION Get_cspid
( %IMMED Chan: Unsigned_word;
%STDESCR Devnam: PACKED ARRAY [$l1..$u1:INTEGER] OF CHAR ): Csp_stat_rec;
EXTERN;
[ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL(LIB$GET_FOREIGN)] FUNCTION $Get_foreign
( %STDESCR String: PACKED ARRAY [$L1..$U1:INTEGER] OF CHAR;
%STDESCR Prompt: PACKED ARRAY [$L2..$U2:INTEGER] OF CHAR := %IMMED 0;
%REF StrLen: INTEGER ): INTEGER; EXTERN;
[INITIALIZE]
PROCEDURE Initialize_users;
BEGIN { Initialize_users }
Jpi_list[1].Buffer_address := IADDRESS( Username );
Jpi_list[2].Buffer_address := IADDRESS( Uic );
Jpi_list[3].Buffer_address := IADDRESS( Process_id );
Jpi_list[4].Buffer_address := IADDRESS( Terminal );
Jpi_list[4].Buflen_address := IADDRESS( Terminal_len );
Jpi_list[5].Buffer_address := IADDRESS( Process_name );
Jpi_list[5].Buflen_address := IADDRESS( Prcnam_len );
Jpi_list[6].Buffer_address := IADDRESS( Global_pages );
Jpi_list[7].Buffer_address := IADDRESS( Process_pages );
Jpi_list[8].Buffer_address := IADDRESS( Process_status );
Jpi_list[9].Buffer_address := IADDRESS( Process_privileges );
END; { Initialize_users }
PROCEDURE Get_remote_users;
VAR
Net_file: TEXT;
Line: VARYING [80] OF CHAR;
BEGIN { Get_remote_users }
Line := SUBSTR( Node_name, 1, Nodename_length );
IF INDEX( Line, '::' ) = 0 THEN
Line := Line + '::';
OPEN( Net_file, Line+'"TASK=PUBQUO:NUSERS"', ERROR := CONTINUE );
IF STATUS( Net_file ) <> 0 THEN $EXIT( SS$_NONETMBX );
RESET( Net_file );
READLN( Net_file, Line );
WHILE NOT EOF( Net_file ) DO
BEGIN
WRITELN( Line );
READLN( Net_file, Line );
END;
WRITELN( Line );
$EXIT( SS$_NORMAL );
END; { Get_remote_users }
BEGIN { Users }
$GETJPI( ITMLST := Jpi_list ); { Get executor information }
IF NOT (Process_privileges::PRV$TYPE.PRV$V_NETMBX) AND
(UAND( Process_status, %X100000 ) = 0) THEN
$SETPRV(, %X80000 );
$Get_foreign( Node_name,, Nodename_length );
IF Nodename_length <> 0 THEN Get_remote_users;
IF $TRNLOG( 'SYS$NET',, Node_name ) <> SS$_NOTRAN THEN
$CRELOG( 2, 'SYS$OUTPUT', 'SYS$NET', 3 );
OPEN( Terminal_file, FILE_NAME := 'PUBLIC:TERMINFO.LOC',
HISTORY := READONLY, ACCESS_METHOD := KEYED );
RESETK( Terminal_file, 0 );
IF (User_count = 1) THEN
WRITE('There is 1 Interactive process on ')
ELSE
WRITE('There are ',User_count:0,' Interactive processes on ');
Ss_status := $TRNLOG( 'SYS$NODE', Nodename_length, Node_name,,, %B'110' );
IF Ss_status = SS$_NOTRAN THEN
BEGIN
Node_name := PAD( 'LOCAL', ' ', 80 );
Nodename_length := 5;
END;
TIME( Time_string ); DATE( Date_string );
WRITELN( 'node ',SUBSTR( Node_name, 1, Nodename_length ),' at ',
Time_string, ' on ', Date_string );
WRITELN;
WRITELN( ' Process Name Uic PID Mem Terminal');
WRITELN;
Total_memory := 0;
REPEAT
Ss_status := $GETJPI( PIDADR := Wild_pid, EFN := 4, ITMLST := Jpi_list );
IF ODD( Ss_status ) AND (Terminal_len <> 0) THEN
BEGIN
$WAITFR( 4 ); { Wait for asynch stuff to return }
{ IF Global_pages = 0 THEN
Percent := 0
ELSE
Percent := (Global_pages+Process_pages) DIV Global_pages;
}
Percent := (Global_pages + Process_pages) DIV 2; { Get WS in KB }
Total_memory := Total_memory + Percent;
IF SUBSTR( Terminal, 1, 2 ) = 'RT' THEN
BEGIN
Csp_status.Machine := 7; Csp_status.Port := 000;
Terminal_loc := 'DECnet';
END ELSE
BEGIN
Csp_status := Get_cspid( 0, SUBSTR( Terminal, 1, Terminal_len ) );
WRITEV( Terminal_loc, Csp_status.Machine:1,
OCT( Csp_status.port, 3, 3 ) );
FINDK( Terminal_file, 0, Terminal_loc, EQL );
READ( Terminal_file, Terminal_record );
Terminal_loc := SUBSTR( Terminal_record.Short, 1,
INDEX( Terminal_record.Short, ' ' ) );
END;
$FAO(' !15AF [!3OW,!3OW] !8XL !4ULK !AS(!1OW!3OW) !AS',
Nodename_length, Node_name,
%IMMED Prcnam_len, %REF Process_name,
%IMMED Uic.Group_num, %IMMED Uic.Member_num,
%IMMED Process_id, %IMMED Percent,
%STDESCR SUBSTR( Terminal, 1, Terminal_len ),
%IMMED Csp_status.Machine, %IMMED Csp_status.Port,
%STDESCR Terminal_loc );
WRITELN( SUBSTR( Node_name, 1, Nodename_length ) );
END
UNTIL Ss_status = SS$_NOMOREPROC;
WRITELN;
WRITELN(' Total memory in use: ',(Total_memory/1000):4:2,'Mb.' );
END. { Users }
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-06 13:25 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <hjbv2mxm7h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80535 |
On 2026-01-05 21:35, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> writes:
>> On 1/3/26 01:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> "The statement "Pascal has no I/O" originates from
>>> Brian Kernighan’s 1981 essay, "Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming
>>> Language".
>>>
>>> Kernighan argued that the original 1970 definition of Pascal was
>>> severely limited for systems programming because:
>>>
>>> No Low-Level Access: The language lacked a way to override its
>>> strict type system, making it impossible to write its own I/O systems or
>>> memory allocators *within the language itself*.
>>>
>>> Fixed Array Sizes: Because array size was part of the type, a
>>> function could not be written to handle strings or arrays of different
>>> lengths, complicating general-purpose file I/O.
>>>
>>> Lack of Portability: Standard Pascal’s I/O was considered
>>> "primitive," and any real-world use required implementation-specific
>>> extensions that broke portability between compilers."
>>>
>>
>> Actually, many systems programming languages have no I/O, the idea being
>> that non-OS programs call the OS to do the I/O, and the OS interacts
>> directly with the hardware.
>
> I did quite a bit of systems programming in VAX-11 Pascal. Digital
> had extended the language to include the ability to call all the standard
> system services directly from Pascal.
>
> [INHERIT('SYS$SHARE:STARLET'),
> IDENT('V03-001')]
>
> PROGRAM Users( OUTPUT );
>
> TYPE
> Unsigned_byte = [BYTE] 0..255;
> Signed_word = [WORD] -32768..+32767;
> Unsigned_word = [WORD] 0..65535;
>
> jpi$item = [BYTE(12)] PACKED RECORD
> Buffer_length: [POS(0)] Unsigned_word;
> Item_code: [POS(16)] Unsigned_word;
> Buffer_address: [POS(32),LONG,UNSAFE] UNSIGNED;
> Buflen_address: [POS(64),LONG,UNSAFE] UNSIGNED;
> END;
>
...
They did not teach us any of that when we learnt Pascal in a vax at uni.
Thanks for that insight.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-06 20:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Pascal |
| Message-ID | <10jjpk3$3iqe$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80575 |
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:25:53 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > They did not teach us any of that when we learnt Pascal in a vax at > uni. One of the first things I did once I got to University and was able to get my hands on a real computer, was to find the available documentation (which happened to be in the secretary’s office) and devour it.
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-02 14:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j9ekf$ovkv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80348 |
On 1/2/26 13:18, c186282 wrote: > On 1/2/26 14:29, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 02:40:13 -0500, c186282 wrote: >> >> >>> Pascal was not a 'theoretical' lang ... Prof Nick actually meant it >>> to WORK in the real world. >> >> I disagree with that. Wirth was mostly concerned with constructing >> didactic languages. The joke about the original implementatino was it >> is a >> good language for telling itself secrets since there is no i/o. > > Must have been a damned early version. > > Old ALGOL had no I/O however. Didn't show up > until what, '68 ? 58 if you count Burroughs.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-01 21:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j6n9s$3q8au$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80235 |
On 01/01/2026 14:28, Peter Flass wrote: > On 1/1/26 05:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 01/01/2026 03:07, c186282 wrote: >>> On 12/31/25 17:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 31/12/2025 19:21, c186282 wrote: >>>>> I've writ stuff with five or six levels of nesting >>>>> but don't like it, usually if/then/else stuff. Oft >>>>> re-did it later to be more easy to follow. IMHO >>>>> readability/comprehensibility is as important as >>>>> functionally correct code. >>>> >>>> 100% agree. >>>> >>>> Often write little functions that are only called once. Merely to >>>> lexically separate atomic functional blocks. >>>> >>>> No idea whether the compiler/linker inlines them or not. >>>> >>>> There is nothing worse than making top level decisions followed by >>>> some nitty detail to detect some low level error. >>>> >>>> e.g. assume a call to allocate memory always works or the call will >>>> do the appropriate jump to a global error handler to abort things >>>> cleanly. >>>> >>>> The point of structure was supposed to be to elucidate program flow, >>>> not obscure it with elegant formally correct cruft. >>> >>> >>> Agree. >>> >>> As I've said before, I'm still quite fond of Pascal and >>> write apps of various size in it (oft first proto-ed >>> in Python). The structure is 'elegant', but you CAN >>> carry it TOO far, to where it gets in the way instead >>> of helping things. >>> >> My one and only experience of trying to make Pascal do what was >> trivial in 'C' led me to resolve never ever to touch it again. >> >> If you are trying to write - as it turned out I was - a disk driver in >> pascal, where a given sector may be a byte stream, a series of 16 bit >> integers, or a structure defined by thee first few bytes in the >> sector, you end up with a massive union that is so cumbersome it is >> almost impossible to read - let alone use. > > Doesn't Pascal have variant records? > IIRC it (Turbo Pascal. The amateurs language) had unions of some sort, but I would have needed about 100 to cover all cases and it was even then messy. The existing code was shit anyway so I rewrote the lot -- The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. Anon.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 21:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mro83sFlga3U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80248 |
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 21:00:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > IIRC it (Turbo Pascal. The amateurs language) had unions of some sort, > but I would have needed about 100 to cover all cases and it was even > then messy. I put TurboPascal on the CP/M box mostly to see what you got for $50. I have to admit it was a lot faster to compile than BDS C. I played with it a little but never developed a taste for it.
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| From | antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 23:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j71fr$3rnk5$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #80248 |
In alt.folklore.computers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 01/01/2026 14:28, Peter Flass wrote:
>> On 1/1/26 05:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 01/01/2026 03:07, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 12/31/25 17:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 31/12/2025 19:21, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>> I've writ stuff with five or six levels of nesting
>>>>>> but don't like it, usually if/then/else stuff. Oft
>>>>>> re-did it later to be more easy to follow. IMHO
>>>>>> readability/comprehensibility is as important as
>>>>>> functionally correct code.
>>>>>
>>>>> 100% agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> Often write little functions that are only called once. Merely to
>>>>> lexically separate atomic functional blocks.
>>>>>
>>>>> No idea whether the compiler/linker inlines them or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing worse than making top level decisions followed by
>>>>> some nitty detail to detect some low level error.
>>>>>
>>>>> e.g. assume a call to allocate memory always works or the call will
>>>>> do the appropriate jump to a global error handler to abort things
>>>>> cleanly.
>>>>>
>>>>> The point of structure was supposed to be to elucidate program flow,
>>>>> not obscure it with elegant formally correct cruft.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agree.
>>>>
>>>> As I've said before, I'm still quite fond of Pascal and
>>>> write apps of various size in it (oft first proto-ed
>>>> in Python). The structure is 'elegant', but you CAN
>>>> carry it TOO far, to where it gets in the way instead
>>>> of helping things.
>>>>
>>> My one and only experience of trying to make Pascal do what was
>>> trivial in 'C' led me to resolve never ever to touch it again.
>>>
>>> If you are trying to write - as it turned out I was - a disk driver in
>>> pascal, where a given sector may be a byte stream, a series of 16 bit
>>> integers, or a structure defined by thee first few bytes in the
>>> sector, you end up with a massive union that is so cumbersome it is
>>> almost impossible to read - let alone use.
>>
>> Doesn't Pascal have variant records?
>>
> IIRC it (Turbo Pascal. The amateurs language) had unions of some sort,
> but I would have needed about 100 to cover all cases and it was even
> then messy.
Turbo Pascal could do essentially all thar C could do (and do things
which were not strightforward in C, but this is irrelevant here). And
do this in a very similar way, once you knew how Turbo Pascal constructs
worked. If you really needed 100 variant record in Turbo Pascal,
then you needed 100 unions in C. If you could do this more
simply in C, you could do this more simply in Turbo Pascal too.
Given what you wrote, it looks that you simply lacked experience
writing Turbo Pascal. In other words, you were unqualified to
do the job that you were supposed to do (write the driver in
Turbo Pascal), so you decided to do thing that you know how to
do, that is to write it in C.
IMO biggest drawback of Turbo Pascal was poor speed of generated
code (and size too). For me deal breaker was fact that Turbo
Pascal was 16-bit and tied to DOS. DJGCC gave me 32-bit
integers and slightly later I switched to Linux, so Turbo
Pascal was not longer relevant for me. But if you were
programming 16-bit DOS and did not mind poor speed of generated
code, than IMO Turbo Pascal was quite decent programming
language, quite competitive in expressivity to C.
> The existing code was shit anyway so I rewrote the lot
That could be true. But given that you apparently do not know
what Turbo Pascal can do, it is not clear if you are qualified
to judge the code.
BTW: It is normal and common for programmers to want to
rewrite/write from scratch instead of understanding and
improving existing code. But in most cases working on
existing code leads to better effect.
--
Waldek Hebisch
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 20:14 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j7d6m$1t1v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80253 |
On 1/1/26 16:54, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > In alt.folklore.computers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 01/01/2026 14:28, Peter Flass wrote: >>> On 1/1/26 05:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 01/01/2026 03:07, c186282 wrote: >>>>> On 12/31/25 17:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 31/12/2025 19:21, c186282 wrote: >>>>>>> I've writ stuff with five or six levels of nesting >>>>>>> but don't like it, usually if/then/else stuff. Oft >>>>>>> re-did it later to be more easy to follow. IMHO >>>>>>> readability/comprehensibility is as important as >>>>>>> functionally correct code. >>>>>> >>>>>> 100% agree. >>>>>> >>>>>> Often write little functions that are only called once. Merely to >>>>>> lexically separate atomic functional blocks. >>>>>> >>>>>> No idea whether the compiler/linker inlines them or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is nothing worse than making top level decisions followed by >>>>>> some nitty detail to detect some low level error. >>>>>> >>>>>> e.g. assume a call to allocate memory always works or the call will >>>>>> do the appropriate jump to a global error handler to abort things >>>>>> cleanly. >>>>>> >>>>>> The point of structure was supposed to be to elucidate program flow, >>>>>> not obscure it with elegant formally correct cruft. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agree. >>>>> >>>>> As I've said before, I'm still quite fond of Pascal and >>>>> write apps of various size in it (oft first proto-ed >>>>> in Python). The structure is 'elegant', but you CAN >>>>> carry it TOO far, to where it gets in the way instead >>>>> of helping things. >>>>> >>>> My one and only experience of trying to make Pascal do what was >>>> trivial in 'C' led me to resolve never ever to touch it again. >>>> >>>> If you are trying to write - as it turned out I was - a disk driver in >>>> pascal, where a given sector may be a byte stream, a series of 16 bit >>>> integers, or a structure defined by thee first few bytes in the >>>> sector, you end up with a massive union that is so cumbersome it is >>>> almost impossible to read - let alone use. >>> >>> Doesn't Pascal have variant records? >>> >> IIRC it (Turbo Pascal. The amateurs language) had unions of some sort, >> but I would have needed about 100 to cover all cases and it was even >> then messy. > > Turbo Pascal could do essentially all thar C could do (and do things > which were not strightforward in C, but this is irrelevant here). And > do this in a very similar way, once you knew how Turbo Pascal constructs > worked. If you really needed 100 variant record in Turbo Pascal, > then you needed 100 unions in C. If you could do this more > simply in C, you could do this more simply in Turbo Pascal too. > Given what you wrote, it looks that you simply lacked experience > writing Turbo Pascal. In other words, you were unqualified to > do the job that you were supposed to do (write the driver in > Turbo Pascal), so you decided to do thing that you know how to > do, that is to write it in C. > > IMO biggest drawback of Turbo Pascal was poor speed of generated > code (and size too). For me deal breaker was fact that Turbo > Pascal was 16-bit and tied to DOS. DJGCC gave me 32-bit > integers and slightly later I switched to Linux, so Turbo > Pascal was not longer relevant for me. But if you were > programming 16-bit DOS and did not mind poor speed of generated > code, than IMO Turbo Pascal was quite decent programming > language, quite competitive in expressivity to C. Now there's Free Pascal. I'm not a Pascal programmer, but I admit I was impressed when I looked at what's in the package. > >> The existing code was shit anyway so I rewrote the lot > > That could be true. But given that you apparently do not know > what Turbo Pascal can do, it is not clear if you are qualified > to judge the code. > > BTW: It is normal and common for programmers to want to > rewrite/write from scratch instead of understanding and > improving existing code. But in most cases working on > existing code leads to better effect. > Exactly my experience.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 06:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrp5eeFq9qoU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80261 |
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 20:14:30 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > On 1/1/26 16:54, Waldek Hebisch wrote: >> In alt.folklore.computers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >>> On 01/01/2026 14:28, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> On 1/1/26 05:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 01/01/2026 03:07, c186282 wrote: >>>>>> On 12/31/25 17:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>> On 31/12/2025 19:21, c186282 wrote: >>>>>>>> I've writ stuff with five or six levels of nesting >>>>>>>> but don't like it, usually if/then/else stuff. Oft re-did >>>>>>>> it later to be more easy to follow. IMHO >>>>>>>> readability/comprehensibility is as important as >>>>>>>> functionally correct code. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 100% agree. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Often write little functions that are only called once. Merely to >>>>>>> lexically separate atomic functional blocks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No idea whether the compiler/linker inlines them or not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is nothing worse than making top level decisions followed by >>>>>>> some nitty detail to detect some low level error. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> e.g. assume a call to allocate memory always works or the call >>>>>>> will do the appropriate jump to a global error handler to abort >>>>>>> things cleanly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The point of structure was supposed to be to elucidate program >>>>>>> flow, >>>>>>> not obscure it with elegant formally correct cruft. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Agree. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I've said before, I'm still quite fond of Pascal and write >>>>>> apps of various size in it (oft first proto-ed in Python). >>>>>> The structure is 'elegant', but you CAN carry it TOO far, to >>>>>> where it gets in the way instead of helping things. >>>>>> >>>>> My one and only experience of trying to make Pascal do what was >>>>> trivial in 'C' led me to resolve never ever to touch it again. >>>>> >>>>> If you are trying to write - as it turned out I was - a disk driver >>>>> in pascal, where a given sector may be a byte stream, a series of 16 >>>>> bit integers, or a structure defined by thee first few bytes in the >>>>> sector, you end up with a massive union that is so cumbersome it is >>>>> almost impossible to read - let alone use. >>>> >>>> Doesn't Pascal have variant records? >>>> >>> IIRC it (Turbo Pascal. The amateurs language) had unions of some sort, >>> but I would have needed about 100 to cover all cases and it was even >>> then messy. >> >> Turbo Pascal could do essentially all thar C could do (and do things >> which were not strightforward in C, but this is irrelevant here). And >> do this in a very similar way, once you knew how Turbo Pascal >> constructs worked. If you really needed 100 variant record in Turbo >> Pascal, >> then you needed 100 unions in C. If you could do this more simply in >> C, you could do this more simply in Turbo Pascal too. >> Given what you wrote, it looks that you simply lacked experience >> writing Turbo Pascal. In other words, you were unqualified to do the >> job that you were supposed to do (write the driver in Turbo Pascal), so >> you decided to do thing that you know how to do, that is to write it in >> C. >> >> IMO biggest drawback of Turbo Pascal was poor speed of generated code >> (and size too). For me deal breaker was fact that Turbo Pascal was >> 16-bit and tied to DOS. DJGCC gave me 32-bit integers and slightly >> later I switched to Linux, so Turbo Pascal was not longer relevant for >> me. But if you were programming 16-bit DOS and did not mind poor speed >> of generated code, than IMO Turbo Pascal was quite decent programming >> language, quite competitive in expressivity to C. > > Now there's Free Pascal. I'm not a Pascal programmer, but I admit I was > impressed when I looked at what's in the package. https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ I put that on the Fedora box. It looks nice but life is too short. New Year's Resolution #1: don't get distracted by passing squirrels.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 11:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j88ki$at2l$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80261 |
On 02/01/2026 03:14, Peter Flass wrote: >> >> BTW: It is normal and common for programmers to want to >> rewrite/write from scratch instead of understanding and >> improving existing code. But in most cases working on >> existing code leads to better effect. >> > > Exactly my experience. Not mine. In this case the code simply did not work at all. It wasn't a case of a 'few bugs' it was a case of 'complete redesign needed in a weekend' And I could program much faster in C. -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 05:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrp55vFq9qoU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80253 |
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:54:37 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: > IMO biggest drawback of Turbo Pascal was poor speed of generated code > (and size too). For me deal breaker was fact that Turbo Pascal was > 16-bit and tied to DOS. DJGCC gave me 32-bit integers and slightly > later I switched to Linux, so Turbo Pascal was not longer relevant for > me. But if you were programming 16-bit DOS and did not mind poor speed > of generated code, than IMO Turbo Pascal was quite decent programming > language, quite competitive in expressivity to C. I never used the DOS TurboPascal, only the CP/M version. I used the BDS C subset compiler on CP/M and moved to DJGPP eventually.
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 06:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrp5ahFqg3rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80272 |
In article <mrp55vFq9qoU4@mid.individual.net>, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:54:37 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: > >> IMO biggest drawback of Turbo Pascal was poor speed of generated code >> (and size too). For me deal breaker was fact that Turbo Pascal was >> 16-bit and tied to DOS. DJGCC gave me 32-bit integers and slightly >> later I switched to Linux, so Turbo Pascal was not longer relevant for >> me. But if you were programming 16-bit DOS and did not mind poor speed >> of generated code, than IMO Turbo Pascal was quite decent programming >> language, quite competitive in expressivity to C. > >I never used the DOS TurboPascal, only the CP/M version. I used the BDS C >subset compiler on CP/M and moved to DJGPP eventually. > Turbo Pascal for CP/M-86 could access the graphics hardware on the DEC Rainbow. A niche to be sure, but one my CSCI graphics class did its projects in. -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 06:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j7qap$6ptq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80273 |
On 2 Jan 2026 06:01:53 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > Turbo Pascal for CP/M-86 could access the graphics hardware on the > DEC Rainbow. A niche to be sure, but one my CSCI graphics class did > its projects in. Did it have its own custom drivers for direct hardware access? Or did it work through the “GSX” (GKS-superset) graphics library from Digital Research?
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 17:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrqcmqF2cenU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80280 |
In article <10j7qap$6ptq$1@dont-email.me>, Lawrence DÿOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On 2 Jan 2026 06:01:53 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > >> Turbo Pascal for CP/M-86 could access the graphics hardware on the >> DEC Rainbow. A niche to be sure, but one my CSCI graphics class did >> its projects in. > >Did it have its own custom drivers for direct hardware access? Or did >it work through the “GSX†(GKS-superset) graphics library from Digital >Research? At this remove, I have no idea. And I never understood all the math, so I was the guy in the team who wrote the CLI to interpret our made up command language instead of doing the projections or whatever.. -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 14:58 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <P9ucnVGvusbzvsX0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80326 |
On 1/2/26 12:14, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > In article <10j7qap$6ptq$1@dont-email.me>, > Lawrence DÿOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On 2 Jan 2026 06:01:53 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> >>> Turbo Pascal for CP/M-86 could access the graphics hardware on the >>> DEC Rainbow. A niche to be sure, but one my CSCI graphics class did >>> its projects in. >> >> Did it have its own custom drivers for direct hardware access? Or did >> it work through the “GSX†(GKS-superset) graphics library from Digital >> Research? > > At this remove, I have no idea. And I never understood all the math, > so I was the guy in the team who wrote the CLI to interpret our > made up command language instead of doing the projections or whatever.. Foley & Van Dam ... "Fundamentals Of Interactive Computer Graphics". All the example code is in Pascal.
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 21:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrqqjrF4gskU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80342 |
In article <P9ucnVGvusbzvsX0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >On 1/2/26 12:14, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> In article <10j7qap$6ptq$1@dont-email.me>, >> Lawrence DÿOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2 Jan 2026 06:01:53 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >>> >>>> Turbo Pascal for CP/M-86 could access the graphics hardware on the >>>> DEC Rainbow. A niche to be sure, but one my CSCI graphics class did >>>> its projects in. >>> >>> Did it have its own custom drivers for direct hardware access? Or did >>> it work through the “GSX†(GKS-superset) graphics library >from Digital >>> Research? >> >> At this remove, I have no idea. And I never understood all the math, >> so I was the guy in the team who wrote the CLI to interpret our >> made up command language instead of doing the projections or whatever.. > > Foley & Van Dam ... "Fundamentals Of Interactive > Computer Graphics". > > All the example code is in Pascal. > Yes, I do believe that was our text. This would have been 1983-ish -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 05:37 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <TMWdnf9hPv5QAsr0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80272 |
On 1/2/26 00:59, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:54:37 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: > >> IMO biggest drawback of Turbo Pascal was poor speed of generated code >> (and size too). For me deal breaker was fact that Turbo Pascal was >> 16-bit and tied to DOS. DJGCC gave me 32-bit integers and slightly >> later I switched to Linux, so Turbo Pascal was not longer relevant for >> me. But if you were programming 16-bit DOS and did not mind poor speed >> of generated code, than IMO Turbo Pascal was quite decent programming >> language, quite competitive in expressivity to C. > > I never used the DOS TurboPascal, only the CP/M version. I used the BDS C > subset compiler on CP/M and moved to DJGPP eventually. Look ... consider the existing environment. It WAS the M$/IBM multi-pass Pascal compiler (still have that in a VM and DO use it once in awhile for fun). TP was a TOTAL REVOLUTION ... not only because of the integrated development environment but because of the BLAZING compilation speed. If/when the final code was a bit bigger than the old compilers - WHO CARED ??? TP let you write, test, re-write, test ... in mere MINUTES and helped you along all the way. In short it SET THE STANDARD for how IDEs should be. From there on everybody expected equal or better. And yes, I love Pascal ... still use FPC/Lazarus quite a bit. There's just a certain 'elegance' to Pascal ... reminds of composing classical music somehow ........
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 11:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j88nj$at2l$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80293 |
On 02/01/2026 10:37, c186282 wrote: > TP let you write, test, re-write, test ... in > mere MINUTES and helped you along all the way. As I said the amateurs language. BASIC in all but name -- “People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of one’s suitability to be taken seriously.” Paul Krugman
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 12:24 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <agmk2mx5q5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80293 |
On 2026-01-02 11:37, c186282 wrote: > On 1/2/26 00:59, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:54:37 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: >> >>> IMO biggest drawback of Turbo Pascal was poor speed of generated code >>> (and size too). For me deal breaker was fact that Turbo Pascal was >>> 16-bit and tied to DOS. DJGCC gave me 32-bit integers and slightly >>> later I switched to Linux, so Turbo Pascal was not longer relevant for >>> me. But if you were programming 16-bit DOS and did not mind poor speed >>> of generated code, than IMO Turbo Pascal was quite decent programming >>> language, quite competitive in expressivity to C. >> >> I never used the DOS TurboPascal, only the CP/M version. I used the BDS C >> subset compiler on CP/M and moved to DJGPP eventually. > > Look ... consider the existing environment. It WAS > the M$/IBM multi-pass Pascal compiler (still have > that in a VM and DO use it once in awhile for fun). > > TP was a TOTAL REVOLUTION ... not only because of > the integrated development environment but because > of the BLAZING compilation speed. > > If/when the final code was a bit bigger than the > old compilers - WHO CARED ??? I don't remember at what version, 4 or 6, the binary program became much smaller. A HelloWorld was roughly 2 KB, while in C it was 28. They invented smart linking. > > TP let you write, test, re-write, test ... in > mere MINUTES and helped you along all the way. > > In short it SET THE STANDARD for how IDEs > should be. From there on everybody expected > equal or better. > > And yes, I love Pascal ... still use FPC/Lazarus > quite a bit. There's just a certain 'elegance' > to Pascal ... reminds of composing classical > music somehow ........ > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 06:51 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <b9qdnTQpfpPDLMr0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80303 |
On 1/2/26 06:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-02 11:37, c186282 wrote: >> On 1/2/26 00:59, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:54:37 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: >>> >>>> IMO biggest drawback of Turbo Pascal was poor speed of generated code >>>> (and size too). For me deal breaker was fact that Turbo Pascal was >>>> 16-bit and tied to DOS. DJGCC gave me 32-bit integers and slightly >>>> later I switched to Linux, so Turbo Pascal was not longer relevant for >>>> me. But if you were programming 16-bit DOS and did not mind poor speed >>>> of generated code, than IMO Turbo Pascal was quite decent programming >>>> language, quite competitive in expressivity to C. >>> >>> I never used the DOS TurboPascal, only the CP/M version. I used the >>> BDS C >>> subset compiler on CP/M and moved to DJGPP eventually. >> >> Look ... consider the existing environment. It WAS >> the M$/IBM multi-pass Pascal compiler (still have >> that in a VM and DO use it once in awhile for fun). >> >> TP was a TOTAL REVOLUTION ... not only because of >> the integrated development environment but because >> of the BLAZING compilation speed. >> >> If/when the final code was a bit bigger than the >> old compilers - WHO CARED ??? > > I don't remember at what version, 4 or 6, the binary program became much > smaller. A HelloWorld was roughly 2 KB, while in C it was 28. They > invented smart linking. Khan's people at Borland were VERY SMART PEOPLE. The 'Turbo' languages WERE a major revolution, and forever set The Standard. Compilation should be pushing a button, and DONE by the time you get your finger off that button - WITH clear error messages and shifting the IDE to the problem line ! And there were CP/M versions of early TP too :-) Gotta find a Z-80 clone board to fool around with ... I know there are some ...... Hmm ... came across a bit of historical trivia. Appears that Phillipe Khan invented sending photos over cell phones. He did it so he could send pix of his new baby to friends and relatives .... >> TP let you write, test, re-write, test ... in >> mere MINUTES and helped you along all the way. >> >> In short it SET THE STANDARD for how IDEs >> should be. From there on everybody expected >> equal or better. >> >> And yes, I love Pascal ... still use FPC/Lazarus >> quite a bit. There's just a certain 'elegance' >> to Pascal ... reminds of composing classical >> music somehow ........ >>
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