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Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!!

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  Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 00:33 -0400
    Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 09:14 +0200
      Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 04:39 -0400
        Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 12:02 +0100
        Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-10 09:41 -0700
        Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 17:58 +0000
      Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:58 +0100
        Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:16 +0200
          Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:46 +0100
            Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 21:00 +0200
            Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 03:46 +0000
              Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:54 +0100
                Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 18:49 +0000
                  Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:27 +0100
                Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:07 -0400
                  Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:34 +0100
                  Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 13:53 +0200
                    Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 18:38 +0000
                      Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 21:38 +0200
                  Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-13 15:04 +0000
                    Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 19:27 +0000
                    Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 21:06 +0100
                      Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 21:51 -0400
                        Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-14 15:28 +0000
          Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:17 +0100
            Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:30 +0100
    Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:55 +0100
      Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:09 +0000
        Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:49 +0100
          Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 03:11 +0000
            Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:51 +0100
              Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 18:52 +0000
                Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:23 -0400
                Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:30 +0100
                  Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-12 17:06 +0100
                    Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:50 +0100
                      Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 18:51 +0000
                        Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:03 +0100
                          Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-13 16:30 +0000
                      Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:49 -0400
                  Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 18:44 +0000
              Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:00 -0400
        Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 03:28 -0400
      Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 01:54 -0400
    Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-09-12 10:55 +0800
      Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-14 17:14 +0000

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#91384

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-13 19:27 +0000
Message-ID<ngobohFvurU16@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91379
On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 15:04:36 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> Oh, they *can*, but creating the circumstances requires a specific set
> of conditions to exist.  During charging some hydrogen gas is emitted,
> and if allowed to build up enough density in an enclosed space to reach
> the ignition point, can be ignited via a spark or sufficiently hot
> enough heat source.
> 
> But for 99.99% of lead acids, whatever "enclosure" they are in is porous
> enough to the atmosphere that the gas density never reaches the ignition
> density, and so it is very unlikely one will ever see one go boom.

We had a summer employee who was one of those deals where a major clients 
says 'It would be great if you gave my kid a job for the summer.' One of 
his first tasks was to jump start a balky old forklift. His attempt was 
followed by a loud boom. It's not clear what he did but we were relieved 
that he was uninjured. You're not supposed to return nepo babies harmed.

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#91390

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-13 21:06 +0100
Message-ID<1186vod$t9tg$15@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91379
On 13/09/2026 16:04, Rich wrote:
> But for 99.99% of lead acids, whatever "enclosure" they are in is
> porous enough to the atmosphere that the gas density never reaches the
> ignition density, and so it is very unlikely one will ever see one go
> boom.
I have seen and heard a lead acid explode.
I have never seen a Li-Ion pack explode. Catch fire, yes, but not go bang.

> 
> Plus, for lead acids, the explosion is a hydrogen gas fire, which
> extinguishes itself once the gas has burned off.  Granted, potentially
> spraying sulfuric acid all over is also no good, but is still not the
> same as a lithium ion battery fire.  Lithium ion's, once they do
> ignite, are more like thermite, they provide their own fuel and oxygen
> to continue their fires until they consume themselves.

Exactly so.

-- 
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that 
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

    - Bertrand Russell

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#91402

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-13 21:51 -0400
Message-ID<pdidneM6SfW7zjr3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91390
On 9/13/26 16:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 13/09/2026 16:04, Rich wrote:
>> But for 99.99% of lead acids, whatever "enclosure" they are in is
>> porous enough to the atmosphere that the gas density never reaches the
>> ignition density, and so it is very unlikely one will ever see one go
>> boom.

> I have seen and heard a lead acid explode.
> I have never seen a Li-Ion pack explode. Catch fire, yes, but not go bang.


   It IS possible ... heavy charge/discharge conditions
   while stored in a confined space. However it's the
   hydrogen that flashes ... the lead plates don't burn.
   You may get a Bang, but no "melt-down".


>> Plus, for lead acids, the explosion is a hydrogen gas fire, which
>> extinguishes itself once the gas has burned off.  Granted, potentially
>> spraying sulfuric acid all over is also no good, but is still not the
>> same as a lithium ion battery fire.  Lithium ion's, once they do
>> ignite, are more like thermite, they provide their own fuel and oxygen
>> to continue their fires until they consume themselves.
> 
> Exactly so.

   Failure in lithiums is MUCH worse - almost
   impossible to extinguish.

   Read one news story, Tesla lit off and, fortunately,
   a road crew had just dug a deep wet pit nearby. They
   pushed the thing into the water pit and waited for
   awhile afterwards :-)

   Anyway, DO keep track of sodium batteries. You can
   already buy big ones. New tweaks to improve the
   capacity and charge speed seem to show up in the
   tech news monthly. Took awhile, but the things
   now ARE ready for prime time.

   There are other maybe-decent kinds of batteries, but
   they are not as close to mass-sales applications as
   the sodium batteries.

   Anyway, as said, search Amazon for "Sodium Car Batteries".
   Plenty to choose from. The voltage/charge params are very
   close to lead-acid batteries - a "drop in" replacement.

   I've wanted to make a smaller solar power station at
   my home. Have enough room for maybe eight 300w panels.
   Battery charge and AC-output boxes are pretty cheap.

   If I do make this, minimal power in case of long
   outages, I'll probably use sodium batteries. Yes,
   there ARE lithiums - which might go BOOM and set
   fire to everything - and "Vanadium Flow" batteries
   that are still too expensive. Edison cells are not
   out of the picture, but some tricks to keep the
   electrolyte level correct are needed lest you have
   to check/tweak them all weekly. Sensors/little pump,
   sounds like a job for a PI  :-)

   I've got several DEAD generators - the PROBLEM with
   them all is that you can NEVER get all the gasoline
   out of the lines/carb and it solidifies. The things
   are, seems intentionally, built that way. My last
   unused one CAN take propane. Not a big gen, but
   in an emergency I can plug/unplug as needed for
   basic shit - a few fans, TV, internet, charging.
   Been there, done that, more than once.

   Shit, when the thing came in ... missed the delivery
   guy, about 65 lb big box. HAVE a little hand truck.
   Almost fell over TWICE - the sheer weight of the
   package was a support. Serious drag getting old ...

   Lower-back issues - nerves don't always work like
   they used to. No docs are gonna TOUCH it though ...
   they set out to 'fix' my brother - procedures
   and pills and procedures to fix the procedures
   and more pills and pills and injections to fix the
   pills and injections .... ruined and killed him.
   Never let docs anywhere near yer spine ! Wait
   for space alien med tech !

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#91428

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-09-14 15:28 +0000
Message-ID<11893qc$1ksm4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91402
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 9/13/26 16:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 13/09/2026 16:04, Rich wrote:
>>> But for 99.99% of lead acids, whatever "enclosure" they are in is
>>> porous enough to the atmosphere that the gas density never reaches the
>>> ignition density, and so it is very unlikely one will ever see one go
>>> boom.
> 
>> I have seen and heard a lead acid explode.
>> I have never seen a Li-Ion pack explode. Catch fire, yes, but not go bang.
> 
> 
>   It IS possible ... heavy charge/discharge conditions
>   while stored in a confined space. However it's the
>   hydrogen that flashes ... the lead plates don't burn.
>   You may get a Bang, but no "melt-down".
> 
> 
>>> Plus, for lead acids, the explosion is a hydrogen gas fire, which
>>> extinguishes itself once the gas has burned off.  Granted, potentially
>>> spraying sulfuric acid all over is also no good, but is still not the
>>> same as a lithium ion battery fire.  Lithium ion's, once they do
>>> ignite, are more like thermite, they provide their own fuel and oxygen
>>> to continue their fires until they consume themselves.
>> 
>> Exactly so.
> 
>   Failure in lithiums is MUCH worse - almost
>   impossible to extinguish.

Obviously you missed the "they provide their own fuel and oxygen to 
continue their fires until they consume themselves" part.  That's what 
makes them so impossible to extinguish.  You have to physically cool 
them down below their ignition point to stop their fires.  It is not 
enough to shield them from the atmosphere.  They will happly burn 
underwater, or in a fully sealed chamber, because once they ignite, 
they are "self-oxidizing".

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#91249

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-11 00:17 +0100
Message-ID<117vdq7$2diki$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91238
On 2026-09-10, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> ChatGPT
>
> Q: Are lithium phone batteries poisonous for the environment? Like
> disposing them in a pond.
>
> A: Yes. Lithium-ion phone batteries should absolutely not be disposed
> of in a pond, river, soil, or ordinary household waste.
[...]
> If you're asking because a phone battery has already been thrown into
> a pond, tell me roughly what happened and whether you can safely
> retrieve it. I can explain the safest way to handle it and what to do
> about the water/environment.

Eh, what could possibly go wrong?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#91252

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-11 00:30 +0100
Message-ID<117vei7$2e34a$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91249
On 11/09/2026 00:17, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-09-10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> ChatGPT
>>
>> Q: Are lithium phone batteries poisonous for the environment? Like
>> disposing them in a pond.
>>
>> A: Yes. Lithium-ion phone batteries should absolutely not be disposed
>> of in a pond, river, soil, or ordinary household waste.
> [...]
>> If you're asking because a phone battery has already been thrown into
>> a pond, tell me roughly what happened and whether you can safely
>> retrieve it. I can explain the safest way to handle it and what to do
>> about the water/environment.
> 
> Eh, what could possibly go wrong?
> 
Honestly, not a lot
Lithium batteries are far more dangerous in the sun or on charge than in 
a pond. Chemically they are quite benign. Unlike lead acid or nickel cadmium

-- 
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before 
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

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#91231

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-10 11:55 +0100
Message-ID<117u2bs$1srqg$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91217
On 10/09/2026 05:33, c186282 wrote:
> Today I went to charge-up a spare battery for
> my flip phone. Easiest to do it by putting it
> in the phone and then charging.
> 
> Finally got the case open - and saw the existing
> battery was physically SWOLLEN ... ie kinda more
> likely to EXPLODE.
> 
> No other SIGNS of this. So FAR it's performance
> seemed "OK".
> 
I*ndeed, Swelling at first without overleoad is just accompanied by loss 
of capacity


> Now it's in my oven - 500+ degree safety - before
> I either bury it or toss it in my little pond.
> 
If its out of use, and not on charge a swollen battery is pretty much 
100% safe.
It needs to get hot first to go pop.

I've had several in a drawer for years...before I rook them to the 
disposal  place

Don't you have battery disposal stations somewhere ?

All batteries are pretty toxic and we are requested to put them in bins 
at the local supermarket or similar.

> Some of the newer 'idiot' phones you can hardly
> even get AT the battery - yet it MAY be in similarly
> dangerous condition. Keep it on your belt, in your
> pocket next to your cojones, on top of anything
> flammable ... BEWARE !
>
Correct. Mine started tio split apart on a glue line, Fortunately we 
have an excellent East European gent in a shop in town who sliced it 
open stick a new battery in and gave it back

  That lasted 5 years until the phone started not booting and he put in 
yet another one

> We've all seen vids of what happens when lithium
> cells detonate. Had personal experience. Still
> have one little scar.
> 
So have I, but I also have loads of experience of when they don't,  if 
kept sufficientllyl cool.


> Just some practical advice.
> 
> We KEEP hearing of replacements for lithium
> batts, but rarely SEE anything. Half a dozen
> years ago there was supposed to be a 'solid
> electrode' version (by the guy who invented
> the batteries) but NEVER SAW ANY. Sodium cells
> may be the next best - and you CAN buy some,
> even seen them as 'car batteries' - but they
> have not penetrated the 'small device' market
> worth a damn.
> 
LiFePo are safer and replaced many lithium apps, but they are heavier.,
You cant replace lithium as the lightest possible metal with the highest 
electropotential. It's in the basic physical chemistry of the things

> Check Amazon, search "sodium battery automotive"
> and you'll get hits. Sodium is REAL - not bad -
> but I just have NOT seen them as replacement
> for exploding lithiums for small devices. There
> have been MANY MANY fires, injuries, deaths from
> exploding lithiums - but nobody will DO anything.
> 
Sodium doesn't have the same energy density. Its better than lead, which 
isn't very nice either


-- 
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, 
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

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#91240

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-10 18:09 +0000
Message-ID<ngga2qFkdeqU48@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91231
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 11:55:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 10/09/2026 05:33, c186282 wrote:
>> Today I went to charge-up a spare battery for my flip phone. Easiest to
>> do it by putting it in the phone and then charging.
>> 
>> Finally got the case open - and saw the existing battery was physically
>> SWOLLEN ... ie kinda more likely to EXPLODE.
>> 
>> No other SIGNS of this. So FAR it's performance seemed "OK".
>> 
> I*ndeed, Swelling at first without overleoad is just accompanied by loss
> of capacity

The Novatel MiFis say to unplug them when they're fully charged. Of course 
nobody does so. The swollen batteries pop the back cover off so you see 
many of them with rubber bands or tape holding them together. 

I kept a spare or two on hand to replace them when they became too 
swollen. At first I was paranoid but nothing ever happened. 

My Nokia phone's battery also swelled enough to split the case. The phone 
wasn't designed to be serviceable and the repair looked so painful I 
bought a new phone. It still starts up.

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#91246

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-10 19:49 +0100
Message-ID<117uu3n$286tm$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91240
On 10/09/2026 19:09, rbowman wrote:
> My Nokia phone's battery also swelled enough to split the case. The phone
> wasn't designed to be serviceable and the repair looked so painful I
> bought a new phone. It still starts up.

I took mine in to The Dude and he said '£60 and come back tomorrow'

Its now on its second screen and third battery. Got it in 2017 IIRC. 
Have never found a reason to replace it.

-- 
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone 
gets full Marx.

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#91253

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-11 03:11 +0000
Message-ID<ngh9qeFkdeqU54@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91246
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 19:49:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 10/09/2026 19:09, rbowman wrote:
>> My Nokia phone's battery also swelled enough to split the case. The
>> phone wasn't designed to be serviceable and the repair looked so
>> painful I bought a new phone. It still starts up.
> 
> I took mine in to The Dude and he said '£60 and come back tomorrow'
> 
> Its now on its second screen and third battery. Got it in 2017 IIRC.
> Have never found a reason to replace it.

I went into Best Buy and they said £100 and take it with you. I liked the 
Nokia phone but EOL for updates was 2022. The Galaxy A16 will get updates 
until Nov. 2030. 

The A16 may have better something or other than the Nokia but nothing I 
really notice. The A16 with its case is a little fatter than the Nokia and 
doesn't fit as well into the slip pocket on my cargo pants. 

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#91271

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-11 10:51 +0100
Message-ID<1180iu9$2ogl5$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91253
On 11/09/2026 04:11, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 19:49:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 10/09/2026 19:09, rbowman wrote:
>>> My Nokia phone's battery also swelled enough to split the case. The
>>> phone wasn't designed to be serviceable and the repair looked so
>>> painful I bought a new phone. It still starts up.
>>
>> I took mine in to The Dude and he said '£60 and come back tomorrow'
>>
>> Its now on its second screen and third battery. Got it in 2017 IIRC.
>> Have never found a reason to replace it.
> 
> I went into Best Buy and they said £100 and take it with you. I liked the
> Nokia phone but EOL for updates was 2022. The Galaxy A16 will get updates
> until Nov. 2030.
> 
> The A16 may have better something or other than the Nokia but nothing I
> really notice. The A16 with its case is a little fatter than the Nokia and
> doesn't fit as well into the slip pocket on my cargo pants.

I've got a teensy J330.

Since I have this full size screen and KB for doing real stuff, its 
perfectly fine

-- 
"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight 
and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan

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#91277

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-11 18:52 +0000
Message-ID<ngj108FiqllU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91271
On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 10:51:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I've got a teensy J330.
> 
> Since I have this full size screen and KB for doing real stuff, its
> perfectly fine

That's a phone? All I see are development boards. 

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#91292

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-12 02:23 -0400
Message-ID<S4udneFTSsrebTn3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91277
On 9/11/26 14:52, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 10:51:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> I've got a teensy J330.
>>
>> Since I have this full size screen and KB for doing real stuff, its
>> perfectly fine
> 
> That's a phone? All I see are development boards.

   Doesn't SOUND like a "phone".

   Would not MIND a laptop-like unit that
   could easily ACT like a phone however,
   VOIP or whatever.

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#91307

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-12 11:30 +0100
Message-ID<11839ke$3jhgn$17@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91277
On 11/09/2026 19:52, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 10:51:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> I've got a teensy J330.
>>
>> Since I have this full size screen and KB for doing real stuff, its
>> perfectly fine
> 
> That's a phone? All I see are development boards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_J3_(2016)

The J300 is its 'internal' name


-- 
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over 
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that 
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

  Frédéric Bastiat

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#91317

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-09-12 17:06 +0100
Message-ID<nglbjsFu6beU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91307
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> rbowman wrote:
> >> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a teensy J330.
>>
>> That's a phone? All I see are development boards.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_J3_(2016)
> The J300 is its 'internal' name
Obviously you meant that your J330 is "teensy" (i.e tiny) not that it is 
"a Teensy" (an older type of microcontroller board).

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#91324

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-12 17:50 +0100
Message-ID<1183vso$3tn01$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91317
On 12/09/2026 17:06, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> rbowman wrote:
>> >> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got a teensy J330.
>>>
>>> That's a phone? All I see are development boards.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_J3_(2016)
>> The J300 is its 'internal' name
> Obviously you meant that your J330 is "teensy" (i.e tiny) not that it is 
> "a Teensy" (an older type of microcontroller board).
> 
Never heard of that. I speak English, not marketing..

Tiny, teeny, teensy, tiddly - same word,
different people speaking

-- 
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, 
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

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#91327

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-12 18:51 +0000
Message-ID<nglla2FvurU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91324
On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 17:50:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Tiny, teeny, teensy, tiddly - same word,
> different people speaking

Context.  Teensy applies to spiders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZoORFHg3Ow

However for someone who messes around with microcontrollers it's a 
development board.

https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/

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#91367

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-13 10:03 +0100
Message-ID<1185otn$e5fp$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91327
On 12/09/2026 19:51, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 17:50:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Tiny, teeny, teensy, tiddly - same word,
>> different people speaking
> 
> Context.  Teensy applies to spiders.
> 
Didn't it also apply to yellow polka dot bikinis?

ah. That was teeny..

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZoORFHg3Ow
> 
> However for someone who messes around with microcontrollers it's a
> development board.
> 
> https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/
> 
Sort of generic arduino/pico style shit

-- 
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have 
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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#91381

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-09-13 16:30 +0000
Message-ID<NcApS.40879$mg2f.7832@fx23.iad>
In reply to#91367
On 2026-09-13, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 12/09/2026 19:51, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 17:50:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> Tiny, teeny, teensy, tiddly - same word,
>>> different people speaking
>> 
>> Context.  Teensy applies to spiders.
>> 
> Didn't it also apply to yellow polka dot bikinis?
>
> ah. That was teeny..

Also itsy and bitsy, both of which also apply to spiders over here.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#91341

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-12 23:49 -0400
Message-ID<l9WcnY4h3JGWgDv3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91324
On 9/12/26 12:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 12/09/2026 17:06, Andy Burns wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> rbowman wrote:
>>> >> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got a teensy J330.
>>>>
>>>> That's a phone? All I see are development boards.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_J3_(2016)
>>> The J300 is its 'internal' name
>> Obviously you meant that your J330 is "teensy" (i.e tiny) not that it 
>> is "a Teensy" (an older type of microcontroller board).
>>
> Never heard of that. I speak English, not marketing..
> 
> Tiny, teeny, teensy, tiddly - same word,
> different people speaking

   "Teensie" is a RELATIVE term.

   Those "brick" cell phones of the 80s were "teensie"
   compared to the 70s models  :-)

   Hmmm ... movie ... "MIB-3" ... an agent pulls out
   a HUGE proto cell - warned "DON'T put that thing up
   to your HEAD !"  :-)

   Modern 'flip phones' are pretty 'teensie". The big
   flat breakable 'smart' phones, not so much.

   I'm gonna HAVE to buy one of those big flat 'phones'
   eventually, yet another thing on my account. My old
   landline is dying, maybe dead. Some tech is supposed
   to come by in a couple weeks to replace it with what
   I think is a "VOIP Box". Alas he may call via my
   landline, which doesn't RING anymore. Won't know he
   is calling. Gonna have to spend hours TRYING to get
   them to call my cell instead.

   Positive of no-ring, 95% of the calls I get are JUNK
   calls - salesmen, scams and such. When they get
   "Beep ! Please leave a message ..." most hang up.

   It's that other 5% ......

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