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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-03-14 03:38 -0400 |
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Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 03:38 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-14 09:52 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 06:07 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-14 10:15 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 06:25 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:18 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 17:19 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:53 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-14 18:48 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 22:45 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 21:47 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:16 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:12 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:51 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:03 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 21:49 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 17:13 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-14 22:03 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 02:09 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-14 19:23 -0700
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 22:26 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 05:03 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-15 04:11 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-15 09:00 -0700
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-15 10:05 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 20:51 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-15 21:25 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 00:30 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-16 02:36 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 06:00 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-16 06:19 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 09:52 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 05:15 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 20:05 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 00:51 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 05:59 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 13:05 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 09:50 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 14:11 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 01:47 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 18:27 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-18 03:36 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-16 22:00 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:05 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 12:43 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 20:04 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-16 22:10 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:14 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 23:01 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 00:02 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-17 00:47 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 06:10 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:19 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:37 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 12:48 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 00:25 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-18 11:32 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 00:49 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 00:41 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 12:04 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-22 08:49 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 16:40 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:09 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-03-15 02:52 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-14 14:51 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-14 17:41 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-14 19:23 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-15 11:00 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-15 20:22 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-16 00:28 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-17 08:03 +1000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-17 11:44 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-17 13:02 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-18 08:23 +1000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-04-17 21:01 -0700
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-17 20:39 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-17 21:06 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-17 18:10 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-18 13:25 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-18 20:33 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-19 16:48 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-19 21:55 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-19 23:02 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 14:57 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-20 20:54 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 00:29 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 21:08 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-21 02:51 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 12:27 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 00:27 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 21:09 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 12:32 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 13:11 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-21 19:12 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-22 07:03 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-22 15:59 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-22 22:40 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 10:06 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-22 15:37 +0000
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 17:39 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 18:24 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 21:33 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 10:06 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 17:31 +0100
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-17 18:03 -0400
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-16 11:01 +0200
Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-21 00:12 +0200
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-17 00:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n1rm9pF5dtcU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #83150 |
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 23:01:41 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-03-16, rbowman wrote: > > [...]> >> Years later when I bought a Toyota [...] >> >> I can't wait for AI automotive control systems making random decisions. > > Well, probably not random, but as far as disastrous decisions go, > doesn't Toyota already have that in their "Unintended Acceleration" > offering? The floor mat problem? Not in any I owned. The current one is at the base trim level and has vestigial pieces for lane control and collision avoidance that aren't implemented fortunately. I do sometimes trigger the imminent collision beeping when driving too aggressively.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-22 12:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10polsc$35vhi$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #83165 |
On 2026-03-17, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 23:01:41 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> On 2026-03-16, rbowman wrote: >> >> [...]> >>> Years later when I bought a Toyota [...] >>> >>> I can't wait for AI automotive control systems making random decisions. >> >> Well, probably not random, but as far as disastrous decisions go, >> doesn't Toyota already have that in their "Unintended Acceleration" >> offering? > > The floor mat problem? Not in any I owned. The current one is at the base > trim level and has vestigial pieces for lane control and collision > avoidance that aren't implemented fortunately. I do sometimes trigger the > imminent collision beeping when driving too aggressively. (Kind of, I'm not sure it was ever proven it was *just* the floor mat and not e.g. a race condition in engine control, along with evidence of bad code quality.) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-03-22 08:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <geydnbUhLebIeCL0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #83712 |
On 3/22/26 08:04, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-03-17, rbowman wrote: > >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 23:01:41 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: >> >>> On 2026-03-16, rbowman wrote: >>> >>> [...]> >>>> Years later when I bought a Toyota [...] >>>> >>>> I can't wait for AI automotive control systems making random decisions. >>> >>> Well, probably not random, but as far as disastrous decisions go, >>> doesn't Toyota already have that in their "Unintended Acceleration" >>> offering? >> >> The floor mat problem? Not in any I owned. The current one is at the base >> trim level and has vestigial pieces for lane control and collision >> avoidance that aren't implemented fortunately. I do sometimes trigger the >> imminent collision beeping when driving too aggressively. > > (Kind of, I'm not sure it was ever proven it was *just* the floor mat > and not e.g. a race condition in engine control, along with evidence of > bad code quality.) The more you think about it, the more running an automobile becomes a giant tumbleweed. TOO many things happening at the same time, dependent on each other. Writing such code must be a horror. 'Race' conditions are the least of it. It'd almost be better as pure analog.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-22 16:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10pp61b$3edqp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #83715 |
On 22/03/2026 12:49, c186282 wrote: > The more you think about it, the more running > an automobile becomes a giant tumbleweed. TOO > many things happening at the same time, dependent > on each other. The point is that they are actually not dependent on each other. Subsystems are more or less autonomous. Mots EMCs are state machines One set of independent inputs, one output -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-03-17 03:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <EV-dncqohbbeYyX0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #83150 |
On 3/16/26 19:01, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-03-16, rbowman wrote: > > [...]> >> Years later when I bought a Toyota [...] >> >> I can't wait for AI automotive control systems making random decisions. > > Well, probably not random, but as far as disastrous decisions go, > doesn't Toyota already have that in their "Unintended Acceleration" > offering? It's bad - and not limited to Toyota either. The vehicle 'brains' have become so complicated that they tend to go mentally ill. Still not as dangerous as 'self-drive' cars though. '57 Chevy !!!
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-03-15 02:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10rc7nf.2ap.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #82965 |
On 2026-03-14, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > My AT&T "Internet Air" connection has slowly become > worse and worse. NEVER as fast as their 2nd-gen DSL > and NOW, many times a day (oddly late evenings) > the 5G router just randomly goes to all-yellow > blink mode. NOTHING on the net about it. No, it's > not 'updates' ... some kind of major signal drop/err. > > MAY have to go to an alt provider. Ugly for > a number of reasons, esp payments. Most > demand a bank routing number these days. > In the USA you have lots of protections > for credit card charges, but NONE for > direct-routing. I expect, have experienced, > evil in this respect. > > Cut 'em off ... endless letters about how > they are gonna RUIN your credit rating. That > goes back to CompuServe at least ....... > > No, NOT gonna go fiber ... for SURE they'd use it > as an excuse to zap my legacy hardwire phone. > Hardwire KEEPS WORKING even in storm and disaster > while the cell towers DROP one by one ..... > > I'm, alas, OLD now ... DO need at least one > really really solid communications channel. > > Alas, in my current prob, ThunderBird does not > seem able to tolerate even a momentary drop in > the connection. Have to terminate, then restart > when the lights go green again. 50% of my posts, > well, have to SAVE them as drafts, kill the app, > then restart and post the draft. Sometimes it > does not remember ... crude copy is the backup, > not so great. > > This is TBird + GigaNews. > > Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will > increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection > outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes. > > SO many settings, across several menus. Just can't > FIND what I want ... if it exists at all. If you're using ThunderBird for NNTP, you might try putting a continuous (1 packet per second) ping to your news server in the background to see if that solves the dropping-out. Some years ago, I had a router branded "SpeedStream" by its manufacturer. When using slrn to read/post Usenet, if it took me too long to read one post, there would be a long delay when I tried to read the next post. The ping seemed to solve that. I referred to that router as "SpeedBump" and replaced it as soon as it became practical to do so. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-04-14 14:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GbydnSmMQenxpUP0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #82965 |
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: > W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze: >> This is TBird + GigaNews. >> >> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will >> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection >> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes. I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent Thunderbird), and problem gone! -- Jacek Marcin Jaworski, Pruszcz Gd., woj. Pomorskie, Polska 🇵🇱, EU 🇪🇺; tel.: +48-609-170-742, najlepiej w godz.: 5:00-5:55 lub 16:00-17:25; <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>, gpg: 4A541AA7A6E872318B85D7F6A651CC39244B0BFA; Domowa s. WWW: <https://energokod.gda.pl>; Mini Netykieta: <https://energokod.gda.pl/MiniNetykieta.html>; Mailowa Samoobrona: <https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/pl>. UWAGA: NIE ZACIĄGAJ "UKRYTEGO DŁUGU"! PŁAĆ ZA PROG. FOSS I INFO. INTERNETOWE! CZYTAJ DARMOWY: "17. Raport Totaliztyczny - Patroni Kontra Bankierzy": <https://energokod.gda.pl/raporty-totaliztyczne/17.%20Patroni%20Kontra%20Bankierzy.pdf>
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| From | 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-04-14 17:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <X-GcnZWdWYLW_UP0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #85733 |
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: > W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze: >>> This is TBird + GigaNews. >>> >>> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will >>> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection >>> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes. > > I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I switch > from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent > Thunderbird), and problem gone! What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day. -- Jacek Marcin Jaworski, Pruszcz Gd., woj. Pomorskie, Polska 🇵🇱, EU 🇪🇺; tel.: +48-609-170-742, najlepiej w godz.: 5:00-5:55 lub 16:00-17:25; <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>, gpg: 4A541AA7A6E872318B85D7F6A651CC39244B0BFA; Domowa s. WWW: <https://energokod.gda.pl>; Mini Netykieta: <https://energokod.gda.pl/MiniNetykieta.html>; Mailowa Samoobrona: <https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/pl>. UWAGA: NIE ZACIĄGAJ "UKRYTEGO DŁUGU"! PŁAĆ ZA PROG. FOSS I INFO. INTERNETOWE! CZYTAJ DARMOWY: "17. Raport Totaliztyczny - Patroni Kontra Bankierzy": <https://energokod.gda.pl/raporty-totaliztyczne/17.%20Patroni%20Kontra%20Bankierzy.pdf>
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-04-14 19:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <boycnaYmSKbpUUP0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #85734 |
On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote: > W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze: >>>> This is TBird + GigaNews. >>>> >>>> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will >>>> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection >>>> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes. >> >> I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I >> switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent >> Thunderbird), and problem gone! > > What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com > problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary > Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And > Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day. I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to restart TBird, some days over and over and over. But other days are pretty OK. Weird. Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted, and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-15 11:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ll04bmx9q8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #85735 |
On 2026-04-15 01:23, c186282 wrote: > On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote: >> W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze: >>>>> This is TBird + GigaNews. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will >>>>> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection >>>>> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes. >>> >>> I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I >>> switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent >>> Thunderbird), and problem gone! >> >> What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com >> problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary >> Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And >> Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day. > > > I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case > the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal > strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times > it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird > does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal > to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to > restart TBird, some days over and over and over. > > But other days are pretty OK. Weird. > > Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted, > and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things. In that situation, maybe you should use leafnode. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-04-15 20:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <57Gcncn7YoJ1tn30nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #85736 |
On 4/15/26 05:00, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-04-15 01:23, c186282 wrote: >> On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote: >>> W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze: >>>>>> This is TBird + GigaNews. >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will >>>>>> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection >>>>>> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes. >>>> >>>> I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I >>>> switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent >>>> Thunderbird), and problem gone! >>> >>> What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com >>> problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary >>> Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And >>> Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day. >> >> >> I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case >> the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal >> strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times >> it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird >> does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal >> to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to >> restart TBird, some days over and over and over. >> >> But other days are pretty OK. Weird. >> >> Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted, >> and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things. > > In that situation, maybe you should use leafnode. Nah ... don't want to set up a server, just access someone else's server. The other Linux newsreaders ... um ...... Next time my connection gets really bad, I had this idea of just writing a few-line ping script that independently helps keep the server connection alive.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-16 00:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10rpaf9$1bieb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85738 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 4/15/26 05:00, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-04-15 01:23, c186282 wrote: >>> On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote: >>>> W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze: >>>>>>> This is TBird + GigaNews. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will >>>>>>> increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection >>>>>>> outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes. >>>>> >>>>> I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I >>>>> switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent >>>>> Thunderbird), and problem gone! >>>> >>>> What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com >>>> problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary >>>> Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And >>>> Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day. >>> >>> >>> I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case >>> the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal >>> strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times >>> it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird >>> does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal >>> to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to >>> restart TBird, some days over and over and over. >>> >>> But other days are pretty OK. Weird. >>> >>> Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted, >>> and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things. >> >> In that situation, maybe you should use leafnode. > > > Nah ... don't want to set up a server, just > access someone else's server. The other Linux > newsreaders ... um ...... > > Next time my connection gets really bad, I had > this idea of just writing a few-line ping script > that independently helps keep the server connection > alive. tin times out the NNTP connection after a short period, and automatically reconnects when something happens that needs the connection. I'm on FIOS, so I've not had the actual network drop on tin to know for sure, but the fact that it already handles "up" and "down" of the TCP connection implies it would reconnect after a network outage glitch as well. Maybe try using a newsreader such as tin instead of t-bird?
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-04-17 08:03 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <69e15cc6@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #85739 |
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> Next time my connection gets really bad, I had >> this idea of just writing a few-line ping script >> that independently helps keep the server connection >> alive. > > tin times out the NNTP connection after a short period, and > automatically reconnects when something happens that needs the > connection. I'm on FIOS, so I've not had the actual network drop on > tin to know for sure, but the fact that it already handles "up" and > "down" of the TCP connection implies it would reconnect after a network > outage glitch as well. My damn internet is up and down all the time and Tin probably handles it better than most programs, though there are some bugs. There's one I really should report, but there's an unknown extra detail required to reproduce it that I haven't spent the time trying to pin down yet. It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection drop-outs really badly though, and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user feedback. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-17 11:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10rt6ei$2dktt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85745 |
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote: > It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection > drop-outs really badly though, Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them. > and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that > expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall > apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your > entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user > feedback. Yep, almost /all/ written by "newer devs" that "have never known a time with intermittent network connectivity". So naturally their code is totally unprepared to handle the situation gracefully.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-17 13:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10rt7h4$2e2au$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85750 |
On 17/04/2026 12:44, Rich wrote: > Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote: >> It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection >> drop-outs really badly though, > > Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been > developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes > an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's, > that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the > very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less > on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them. > Unfortunately the TCP/IP protocol is written with intermittency specifically in mind >> and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that >> expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall >> apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your >> entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user >> feedback. > > Yep, almost /all/ written by "newer devs" that "have never known a time > with intermittent network connectivity". So naturally their code is > totally unprepared to handle the situation gracefully. Bollocks -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-04-18 08:23 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <69e2b2e6@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #85751 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 17/04/2026 12:44, Rich wrote: >> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote: >>> It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection >>> drop-outs really badly though, >> >> Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been >> developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes >> an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's, >> that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the >> very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less >> on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them. >> > Unfortunately the TCP/IP protocol is written with intermittency > specifically in mind OK, try and keep a remote SSH connection working all day at my house. Mosh manages to do that, it uses UDP instead of TCP. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-17 21:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10ruvm9$2vcdj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85751 |
On 4/17/26 5:02 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 17/04/2026 12:44, Rich wrote: >> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote: >>> It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection >>> drop-outs really badly though, >> >> Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been >> developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes >> an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's, >> that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the >> very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less >> on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them. >> > Unfortunately the TCP/IP protocol is written with intermittency > specifically in mind > >>> and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that >>> expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall >>> apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your >>> entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user >>> feedback. >> >> Yep, almost /all/ written by "newer devs" that "have never known a time >> with intermittent network connectivity". So naturally their code is >> totally unprepared to handle the situation gracefully. > > Bollocks No, this is the absolute truth. For an example of how mainstream applications handle poor connectivity, see https://brr.fyi/posts/engineering-for-slow-internet -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, CA
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-17 20:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <9cbabmxfu5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #85750 |
On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote: > Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote: >> It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection >> drop-outs really badly though, > > Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been > developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes > an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's, > that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the > very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less > on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them. Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-17 21:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ru7cg$2pivj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #85752 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote: >> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote: >>> It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection >>> drop-outs really badly though, >> >> Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been >> developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much >> assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For >> those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always >> seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes >> randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown >> to them. > > Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed. Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem. But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix, I predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but will instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of intermittent connections.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-04-17 18:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Kx-dnev9q_iULX_0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #85754 |
On 4/17/26 17:06, Rich wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote: >>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote: >>>> It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection >>>> drop-outs really badly though, >>> >>> Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been >>> developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much >>> assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For >>> those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always >>> seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes >>> randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown >>> to them. >> >> Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed. > > Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem. > > But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix, Awwww ... straight to nasty ..... Well, we're glad SOMEBODY is perfect and knows it all. > I > predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but will > instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of > intermittent connections. I will not install leafnode or my own usenet server. I will not switch to tin - looks like an 80s throwback, but frankly Agent was a lot nicer.
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