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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-11-05 21:31 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-11-10 22:26 +0000 |
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The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:31 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 23:12 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 13:55 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-11-06 16:37 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:51 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 11:14 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 13:06 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 13:43 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 15:17 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 20:59 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 06:39 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 07:12 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:56 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:41 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:09 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-07 20:09 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:50 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 07:24 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:57 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:56 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:10 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:26 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:34 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 13:08 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:27 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 15:25 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-09 15:20 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:06 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 17:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:52 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:47 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 08:38 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 17:35 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 01:03 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 13:01 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 15:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:18 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:14 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:44 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:56 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 20:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 21:17 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 21:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 15:37 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:15 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 20:58 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 22:36 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 01:09 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 03:53 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:58 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:51 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 15:30 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 03:19 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 09:53 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:45 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:28 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 22:32 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:14 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:25 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-12 04:36 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:41 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 08:29 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 18:31 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 20:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 21:53 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 22:10 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 04:23 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:31 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:55 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:15 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:49 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:47 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:07 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 16:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:34 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 22:13 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 01:48 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 13:10 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:41 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:40 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 13:14 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 08:11 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-12 22:36 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 05:52 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 17:38 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:16 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:43 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 17:33 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:57 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 05:56 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:14 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:23 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:06 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 02:35 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 05:34 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 01:42 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:58 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:06 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:22 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:24 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:57 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:39 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:50 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-11-11 07:38 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 20:22 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:10 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:48 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:54 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:43 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:09 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 23:14 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:23 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:38 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:34 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:57 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:16 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:44 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:56 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:17 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-09 01:21 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:21 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-10 00:00 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-08 13:24 +0200
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:54 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 21:43 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 14:08 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:39 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:09 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:25 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:19 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:52 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:06 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:13 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:11 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:11 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:34 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:35 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-17 13:00 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 12:01 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-18 01:06 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-18 07:25 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-18 07:20 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-18 08:49 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-18 08:11 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-18 17:46 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-15 14:03 +0200
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 05:57 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 01:01 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 07:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:16 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 08:16 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:25 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:26 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 21:31 +0000 |
| Subject | The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn |
| Message-ID | <10egfns$mkr3$1@dont-email.me> |
Thoughts on Jack Wallen’s list
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-first-8-linux-commands-every-new-user-should-learn/>?
My comments:
* Don’t use “ls -a”, use “ls -A” instead. The former shows the useless
“.” and ”..” entries that nobody wants to see, the latter keeps them
hidden.
* rm, cp and mv all take the “-v” option so they tell you what they’ve
done after they’ve done it. This can be reassuring to those feeling
a little nervous about the power of these commands.
* Furthermore, cp and mv also take the “-i” option, which will ask you
to confirm if an item already exists under the new name. Handy to
guard against accidental overwrites.
* The “less” command has lots of useful options. I particularly like
“-X” to stop it clearing the screen when it exits, and “-i” to make
searches case-insensitive by default.
Further, I don’t know why Linux distros don’t just replace the
traditional “more” command with “less” under the “more” name, and be
done with it. Until that happens, I put lines like this in my login
script:
export PAGER='less -iX'
alias more="$PAGER"
The PAGER variable is respected by lots of command-line programs that
might have large amounts of text information to show to you. Setting
it lets you customize how they show that information.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 23:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10eglkf$nnrr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77043 |
On 2025-11-05, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> Thoughts on Jack Wallen’s list
> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-first-8-linux-commands-every-new-user-should-learn/>?
Again!?
It has one more command but overall seems to be some sort of recycling of
http://web.archive.org/web/20250927231017/https://www.zdnet.com/article/im-a-linux-expert-and-here-are-6-commands-i-cant-live-without/
whose address even redirects now to the article you linked
> My comments:
>
> * Don’t use “ls -a”, use “ls -A” instead. The former shows the useless
> “.” and ”..” entries that nobody wants to see, the latter keeps them
> hidden.
Eh, there are instances where one will want to look at . and
... Permissions, for example. And yes, I'm aware that the first sentence
of this paragraph may be harder to parse than usual.
> * rm, cp and mv all take the “-v” option so they tell you what they’ve
> done after they’ve done it. This can be reassuring to those feeling
> a little nervous about the power of these commands.
That's nonstandard, isn't it?
> * Furthermore, cp and mv also take the “-i” option, which will ask you
> to confirm if an item already exists under the new name. Handy to
> guard against accidental overwrites.
Now this one is in IEEE 1003.1; For non-standard/non-portable options,
I'd add "-n", present at least in GNU cp and mv. Depending on the type
of operation or on the target, this might be more or less convenient
than "-i".
> Further, I don’t know why Linux distros don’t just replace the
> traditional “more” command with “less” under the “more” name, and be
> done with it.
One possibility is that more is standardized.
In a quick scan, I see at least -n having a different meaning in less
(according to its online manual page on this system) than it has for
more in IEEE 1003.1.
> Until that happens, I put lines like this in my login
> script:
>
> export PAGER='less -iX'
> alias more="$PAGER"
>
> The PAGER variable is respected by lots of command-line programs that
> might have large amounts of text information to show to you. Setting
> it lets you customize how they show that information.
--
Nuno Silva
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 13:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ofiutlx6qe.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77043 |
On 2025-11-05 22:31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Thoughts on Jack Wallen’s list > <https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-first-8-linux-commands-every-new-user-should-learn/>? > My comments: > > * Don’t use “ls -a”, use “ls -A” instead. The former shows the useless > “.” and ”..” entries that nobody wants to see, the latter keeps them > hidden. > * rm, cp and mv all take the “-v” option so they tell you what they’ve > done after they’ve done it. This can be reassuring to those feeling > a little nervous about the power of these commands. > * Furthermore, cp and mv also take the “-i” option, which will ask you > to confirm if an item already exists under the new name. Handy to > guard against accidental overwrites. > * The “less” command has lots of useful options. I particularly like > “-X” to stop it clearing the screen when it exits, and “-i” to make > searches case-insensitive by default. > > Further, I don’t know why Linux distros don’t just replace the > traditional “more” command with “less” under the “more” name, and be > done with it. Until that happens, I put lines like this in my login > script: > > export PAGER='less -iX' > alias more="$PAGER" > cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER less cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> That's the distro doing. openSUSE. > The PAGER variable is respected by lots of command-line programs that > might have large amounts of text information to show to you. Setting > it lets you customize how they show that information. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 16:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10gpjm9.2nln.trepidation@vps.jonz.net> |
| In reply to | #77068 |
On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:55:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-05 22:31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> Further, I don’t know why Linux distros don’t just replace the >> traditional “more” command with “less” under the “more” name, and be >> done with it. Until that happens, I put lines like this in my login >> script: >> >> export PAGER='less -iX' >> alias more="$PAGER" > > cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER > less > cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> > > That's the distro doing. openSUSE. : |raven@nix6:~$ echo $PAGER | |raven@nix6:~$ : That's the distro's doing. Ubuntu 24.04
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 18:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mn490lFoqalU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77068 |
On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:55:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER less cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> > > That's the distro doing. openSUSE. Odd. Fedora, Ubuntu, Raspberry Pi OS, and EndeavourOS don't set it. I have set it in my .bashrc but I can't remember why. slrn?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 11:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ekkb3$1pge1$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77073 |
On 06/11/2025 18:51, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:55:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER less cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> >> >> That's the distro doing. openSUSE. > > Odd. Fedora, Ubuntu, Raspberry Pi OS, and EndeavourOS don't set it. I > have set it in my .bashrc but I can't remember why. slrn? Not may people use the terminal these days and the ones that do are quite capabable of setting it themselves -- “It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 13:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <8v31ulx7mn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77079 |
On 2025-11-07 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/11/2025 18:51, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:55:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER less cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> >>> >>> That's the distro doing. openSUSE. >> >> Odd. Fedora, Ubuntu, Raspberry Pi OS, and EndeavourOS don't set it. I >> have set it in my .bashrc but I can't remember why. slrn? > > Not may people use the terminal these days and the ones that do are > quite capabable of setting it themselves open(SUSE) has killed in the new release Leap 16.0 its traditional setup tool , YAST (yet another setup tool), which means that home admins have to do things like adding a user in the CLI, instead of with the mouse and filling a form. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 13:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ekt26$1shhj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77080 |
On 07/11/2025 12:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-07 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 06/11/2025 18:51, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:55:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER less cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> >>>> >>>> That's the distro doing. openSUSE. >>> >>> Odd. Fedora, Ubuntu, Raspberry Pi OS, and EndeavourOS don't set it. I >>> have set it in my .bashrc but I can't remember why. slrn? >> >> Not may people use the terminal these days and the ones that do are >> quite capabable of setting it themselves > > open(SUSE) has killed in the new release Leap 16.0 its traditional setup > tool , YAST (yet another setup tool), which means that home admins have > to do things like adding a user in the CLI, instead of with the mouse > and filling a form. > Arguably most desktops are single user anyway. -- The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. Anon.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 15:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <gkb1ulxl53.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77081 |
On 2025-11-07 14:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/11/2025 12:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-11-07 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 06/11/2025 18:51, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:55:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER less cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> >>>>> >>>>> That's the distro doing. openSUSE. >>>> >>>> Odd. Fedora, Ubuntu, Raspberry Pi OS, and EndeavourOS don't set it. I >>>> have set it in my .bashrc but I can't remember why. slrn? >>> >>> Not may people use the terminal these days and the ones that do are >>> quite capabable of setting it themselves >> >> open(SUSE) has killed in the new release Leap 16.0 its traditional >> setup tool , YAST (yet another setup tool), which means that home >> admins have to do things like adding a user in the CLI, instead of >> with the mouse and filling a form. >> > Arguably most desktops are single user anyway. > That was just an example, YaST does a myriad of setup things. Like, for example, setting up a printer or a scanner, or the sound, or keyboard layout. There are modules to setup a mail server, DNS server, FTP server, HTTP server, NFS Server/client, etc etc. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 20:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <yaOcnUNKEemYOZP0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77082 |
On 11/7/25 09:17, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-07 14:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 07/11/2025 12:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-11-07 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 06/11/2025 18:51, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:55:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER less cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's the distro doing. openSUSE. >>>>> >>>>> Odd. Fedora, Ubuntu, Raspberry Pi OS, and EndeavourOS don't set it. I >>>>> have set it in my .bashrc but I can't remember why. slrn? >>>> >>>> Not may people use the terminal these days and the ones that do are >>>> quite capabable of setting it themselves >>> >>> open(SUSE) has killed in the new release Leap 16.0 its traditional >>> setup tool , YAST (yet another setup tool), which means that home >>> admins have to do things like adding a user in the CLI, instead of >>> with the mouse and filling a form. >>> >> Arguably most desktops are single user anyway. >> > > That was just an example, YaST does a myriad of setup things. Like, for > example, setting up a printer or a scanner, or the sound, or keyboard > layout. There are modules to setup a mail server, DNS server, FTP > server, HTTP server, NFS Server/client, etc etc. YAST is very good ... and helpful. Apparently though it's become something of a 'web app' in the latest incarnation ... doesn't bode well. Likely the last old grey maintainer retired ... Started Linux with Slack, RH and SUSE back in the old days - CDs bought in retail stores. Saw the potential immediately and stuck with it. Of the group SUSE, now OpenSUSE, was the Cadillac distro. YAST made a lot of things MUCH easier/smarter. Geez ... ever set up a softraid array using the CL ? Horrible ! Takes all day. YAST not only lets you configure in minutes but also offers good advice on the more sneaky params. My main concern with OpenSUSE is its dependence on the RHEL libraries ... because RHEL is now basically owned entirely by IBM, commercial. CentOS is in the same leaky boat and more and more options seem to be $$$-only now. I'll stick to Deb derivs for now. Arch stuff isn't bad either, but a somewhat different way of thinking.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 06:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mn86smFbhi7U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77088 |
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 20:59:22 -0500, c186282 wrote: > My main concern with OpenSUSE is its dependence on the RHEL libraries > ... because RHEL is now basically owned entirely by IBM, commercial. > CentOS is in the same leaky boat and more and more options seem to be > $$$-only now. OpenSUSE's base source comes from SUSE Linux Enterprise and is upstream from SLE. Just because it chose to use the rpm format does not make it a RHEL derivative. I think EQT, a Swedish venture capital firm, is the current owner. These days it's hard to tell which shell the pea is under. https://thehackernews.com/2018/07/suse-linux-acquired.html
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 07:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mn88qgFbhi7U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77088 |
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 20:59:22 -0500, c186282 wrote: > I'll stick to Deb derivs for now. Arch stuff isn't bad either, but a > somewhat different way of thinking. Yes and no. I'm lazy so I used EndeavourOS. It uses the Arch repositories and AUR and includes a couple of useful utilities like yay. The default DE is KDE/Plasma so it looks like any other KDE system. What you miss is all the fun of creating partitions, formatting them, setting up fstab, adding users, and so forth. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, don't need to spend a couple of hours doing it again. I am using the Sway WM and that might be called a different way of thinking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sway_(window_manager) it's not as glitzy as Hyprland, doesn't do animations, rounded corners, transparent windows, blurs, and all the rest of that shit. I'm just as opinionated as Hansson. It's a bit like Vim. A virgin stumbling into a Sway session is confronted with an empty screen with a little 1 in the upper left corner. That's all folks. If you don't know what you're doing you can't even log out of the session.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 02:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <CtydnVSzjrsxapP0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77093 |
On 11/8/25 02:12, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 20:59:22 -0500, c186282 wrote: > >> I'll stick to Deb derivs for now. Arch stuff isn't bad either, but a >> somewhat different way of thinking. > > Yes and no. I'm lazy so I used EndeavourOS. It uses the Arch repositories > and AUR and includes a couple of useful utilities like yay. The default DE > is KDE/Plasma so it looks like any other KDE system. What you miss is all > the fun of creating partitions, formatting them, setting up fstab, adding > users, and so forth. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, don't need to > spend a couple of hours doing it again. > > I am using the Sway WM and that might be called a different way of > thinking. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sway_(window_manager) The kind of split AUR libs and others are More Complicated than I like/trust. Deb puts everything where you expect/need it. Arch-based IS a very good Linux ... but ....... DO still have two Arch boxes ... but, longer term, they may go Deb/MX. REALLY like MX ... medium distro with lots of good stuff. Oh, and NO substitute for Synaptic. "Octopus" comes kind of close ... but only close. > it's not as glitzy as Hyprland, doesn't do animations, rounded corners, > transparent windows, blurs, and all the rest of that shit. I'm just as > opinionated as Hansson. It's a bit like Vim. A virgin stumbling into a > Sway session is confronted with an empty screen with a little 1 in the > upper left corner. That's all folks. If you don't know what you're doing > you can't even log out of the session. I don't do fancy videos and such ... far more basic. As such I don't care about what you quote as 'vital'. Future ... still looking at some of the nicer BSD offerings. DragonFly is pretty good, Ghost also. An important bit is getting the GUI up and working properly with very minimal intervention. The more you look at all that shit the WORSE it becomes. Like it simple and straight-up - no fluff, no trauma. Remember all the trauma from the first Linux distros. But I was much younger then.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 12:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <srm3ulxoon.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77088 |
On 2025-11-08 02:59, c186282 wrote: > On 11/7/25 09:17, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-11-07 14:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 07/11/2025 12:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-11-07 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 06/11/2025 18:51, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:55:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER less cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's the distro doing. openSUSE. >>>>>> >>>>>> Odd. Fedora, Ubuntu, Raspberry Pi OS, and EndeavourOS don't set >>>>>> it. I >>>>>> have set it in my .bashrc but I can't remember why. slrn? >>>>> >>>>> Not may people use the terminal these days and the ones that do are >>>>> quite capabable of setting it themselves >>>> >>>> open(SUSE) has killed in the new release Leap 16.0 its traditional >>>> setup tool , YAST (yet another setup tool), which means that home >>>> admins have to do things like adding a user in the CLI, instead of >>>> with the mouse and filling a form. >>>> >>> Arguably most desktops are single user anyway. >>> >> >> That was just an example, YaST does a myriad of setup things. Like, >> for example, setting up a printer or a scanner, or the sound, or >> keyboard layout. There are modules to setup a mail server, DNS server, >> FTP server, HTTP server, NFS Server/client, etc etc. > > YAST is very good ... and helpful. Apparently though > it's become something of a 'web app' in the latest > incarnation ... doesn't bode well. Likely the last > old grey maintainer retired ... YaST tried to add a web interface some years ago, but it failed. It has a text mode interface, a QT interface, and for some time a GTK interface. On 16.0 it is available, but not maintained. > > Started Linux with Slack, RH and SUSE back in the old > days - CDs bought in retail stores. Saw the potential > immediately and stuck with it. Of the group SUSE, now > OpenSUSE, was the Cadillac distro. YAST made a lot of > things MUCH easier/smarter. Geez ... ever set up a > softraid array using the CL ? Horrible ! Takes all > day. YAST not only lets you configure in minutes but > also offers good advice on the more sneaky params. > > My main concern with OpenSUSE is its dependence on > the RHEL libraries ... because RHEL is now basically > owned entirely by IBM, commercial. CentOS is in the > same leaky boat and more and more options seem to > be $$$-only now. No, openSUSE pulls directly from upstream. It is possible that some problems get the same solution than RH, but this is not a given. > > I'll stick to Deb derivs for now. Arch stuff isn't > bad either, but a somewhat different way of thinking. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 13:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <6ho3ulxfnv.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77100 |
On 2025-11-08 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-08 02:59, c186282 wrote: >> On 11/7/25 09:17, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-11-07 14:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> My main concern with OpenSUSE is its dependence on >> the RHEL libraries ... because RHEL is now basically >> owned entirely by IBM, commercial. CentOS is in the >> same leaky boat and more and more options seem to >> be $$$-only now. > > No, openSUSE pulls directly from upstream. It is possible that some > problems get the same solution than RH, but this is not a given. Ok, it is a bit more complex than that. openSUSE Tumbleweed pulls directly from upstream. SUSE pulls from upstream and Tumbleweed. openSUSE Leap has the identical core as SUSE, but contains many community packages that come from Tumbleweed or elsewhere. SUSE also has community packages For instance, SUSE is gnome based. Thus Leap has to take KDE from the community, thus more recent versions. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 20:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan$a6d05$e7db1f28$5bec1ca8$57cbf99e@linux.rocks> |
| In reply to | #77079 |
What a stupid fucking issue. All the posters who took time to respond to this "click bait" should be ashamed. This is just journalistic fluff. Anyone who enters GNU/Linux should already know ALL the commands, or at least have the ability to rapidly learn them. It's not rocket science. The intellectually decrepit journalists are rejoicing in the collective stupidity that is shown here.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 21:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <yaOcnX1KEemRLZP0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77086 |
On 11/7/25 15:09, Diego Garcia wrote: > What a stupid fucking issue. > > All the posters who took time to respond to this "click bait" > should be ashamed. > > This is just journalistic fluff. > > Anyone who enters GNU/Linux should already know ALL the > commands, or at least have the ability to rapidly learn > them. It's not rocket science. So, it all just comes to you by space-alien telepathic channels ? :-) Everybody has to LEARN this stuff. Depending on the person or specific interests they will learn better or not better, specific things or not. > The intellectually decrepit journalists are rejoicing > in the collective stupidity that is shown here. Linux CL commands have a ZILLION options ... not all are covered, at least well, in either the intrinsic help OR the man pages. Often the EXACT thing you need IS in there, but you may spend all day discovering that and the exact syntax can be even more elusive. That's the state of things. Oh, and we DON'T want just 'super-humans' using Linux ... it's better than Win and we want to woo people away from total M$ dependence.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 07:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mn89gvFbhi7U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77090 |
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 21:50:41 -0500, c186282 wrote: > Often the EXACT thing you need IS in there, but you may spend all day > discovering that and the exact syntax can be even more elusive. 'nmcli device wifi list' is obvious.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 02:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <CtydnVezjrtAapP0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77094 |
On 11/8/25 02:24, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 21:50:41 -0500, c186282 wrote: > >> Often the EXACT thing you need IS in there, but you may spend all day >> discovering that and the exact syntax can be even more elusive. > > 'nmcli device wifi list' is obvious. Yea, THAT one :-)
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| From | Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 11:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan$888ba$712abe44$e2dbef4e$27e27cc4@linux.rocks> |
| In reply to | #77090 |
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 21:50:41 -0500, c186282 wrote: > > So, it all just comes to you by space-alien > telepathic channels ? > "space-alien telepathic channel" = idiot-proof GUI = GNOME, KDE > > Oh, and we DON'T want just 'super-humans' using > Linux ... > A programmer is not "super human," and Linux was/is made by and for programmers. A fundamental command is "grep" and to effectively wield it one must understand regular expressions which are examples of a finite-state automaton. Yet the article cited in the OP was directed at an audience that likely cannot even understand the concept of a "file." > > it's better than Win and we want to woo > people away from total M$ dependence. > The purpose of GNU/Linux is not to "woo people away" from M$ but only to provide a computing platform that is suitable for knowledgeable programmers. It is players like IBM/RedHat/Ubuntu that are peddling the OS to total dummies.
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