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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-12-29 13:29 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 195 — 22 participants |
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Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 06:27 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-24 19:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 21:35 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 09:06 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-26 18:38 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 11:53 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-26 23:15 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:49 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 15:25 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-26 20:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 03:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-26 20:37 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 05:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:01 +0000
X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 10:43 +0000
Re: X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:35 +0000
Re: X11 forks Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-12-29 18:14 +1000
Re: X11 forks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 03:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:30 +1000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:33 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 08:47 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 14:46 +0100
Wayland hardware requirements (was: Re: X11 forks) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:25 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:12 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-01 07:31 +1000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:19 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:50 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:09 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:48 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:59 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:51 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:33 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 06:01 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 03:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-01 04:04 -0600
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:28 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
Re: X11 forks vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 04:15 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:54 +0000
Re: X11 forks John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-12-31 14:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:43 +0100
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 20:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:58 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:56 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:45 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 02:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:48 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 06:22 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 18:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 22:33 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:40 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 00:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 23:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-27 13:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:54 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:11 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 01:05 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 04:42 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:11 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:05 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:34 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:58 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:56 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 14:33 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:40 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:00 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:17 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:56 +0000
Service startup errors Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:16 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:08 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0100
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:39 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:59 +0100
Re: Service startup errors c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:47 -0500
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:12 +0000
Re: Service startup errors vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-31 04:40 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 08:24 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:29 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 04:38 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:58 +0000
Re: Service startup errors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:59 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:04 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:31 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:49 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:41 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:00 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:04 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:14 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:43 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:24 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:27 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:59 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:45 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 03:26 +0000
How distros can get choosen by chance (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 10:51 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-12-25 13:27 -0500
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 18:40 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 12:34 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:11 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 14:55 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:28 +0100
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-25 21:05 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:22 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 21:37 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 11:46 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-25 11:59 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:04 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 02:27 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-25 23:07 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:56 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:51 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:46 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 16:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 17:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:16 +0000
Linux GUIs Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:10 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:50 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:16 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:23 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:09 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-29 14:29 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:25 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 01:04 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:53 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:32 +1000
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 01:07 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 09:01 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:58 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:47 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-30 13:02 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-29 06:43 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:29 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:57 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:13 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:11 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:21 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 15:56 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:37 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:07 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:08 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 20:43 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:23 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:26 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:29 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-27 23:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mrb6qcFeoclU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79902 |
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 09:13:50 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-12-27, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> On 12/26/25 19:56, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 20:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> >>>> The BIG differences between distributions are - initd vs systemd - >>>> RPM vs apt >> >> There are several other init systems in use as well though >> only the discerning can understand the differences in results. > > Even those classified as sysvinit can have significant differences, to > the point that, while not capable of some things, they're definitely > sufficient in a bunch of contexts. > >>> Well, sort of. There are .deb and .rpm packages. The Apt Package >>> Tool uses .deb packages. Most Debian derived distros I'm familiar with >>> use apt. >>> >>> There is a RPM Package manager that uses .rpm files (surprise), but >>> there are frontends for it too. Fedora did use yum but now uses dnf. >>> /usr/bin/ yum is a symlink to dnf. OpenSUSE has zypper and a couple >>> of other .rpm based distros have their own package managers. >> >> PCLinuxOS has been using Synaptic with .rpm packages for a >> long time but it seems it will going to DNF which seems less capable >> than Synaptic from my very limited POV. >> >> >>> Then there is Arch Linux and pacman. That's the odd one. Rather than >>> dnf update or apt update is pacman -Syu, with a similar syntax for >>> installs. There are ways, not recommended, to use .deb or .rpm >>> packages in Arch. I'm not that brave. Then there is the yay frontend >>> to the Arch User Repository (AUR) that's more like automating building >>> a tarball. >>> >>> There's probably other schemes given the 100+ distros. >> >> Some distros are built around a completely different package >> manager or aspire > > Portage says hi. > >> to "immutability" which I find a dubious and slippery concept. >> >> >>> You also missed the other big food fight, Wayland vs. x11. >>> >> It continues with a small group working on another x11 replacement. >> Wayland is supposed to support all of X11 functions but the demanding >> users know that it falls short in some areas. > > Which group is this? https://x11libre.net/ I find it concerning he starts off with a rant. Nothing against rants but they don't tend to have staying power.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 10:43 +0000 |
| Subject | X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) |
| Message-ID | <10ir1kj$5kc0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79933 |
On 2025-12-27, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 09:13:50 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> On 2025-12-27, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >>> On 12/26/25 19:56, rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> You also missed the other big food fight, Wayland vs. x11. >>> >>> It continues with a small group working on another x11 >>> replacement. Wayland is supposed to support all of X11 functions >>> but the demanding users know that it falls short in some areas. >> >> Which group is this? > > https://x11libre.net/ > > I find it concerning he starts off with a rant. Nothing against rants but > they don't tend to have staying power. Ah, still just that one, I'd hope a couple more projects would come up. Is NetBSD still trying to contribute to X11 via Freedesktop? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 03:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) |
| Message-ID | <mreb8mFtqk8U13@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79948 |
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 10:43:31 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > Ah, still just that one, I'd hope a couple more projects would come up. > Is NetBSD still trying to contribute to X11 via Freedesktop? Not a clue. The BSDs are one more rabbit hole than I want to deal with.
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| From | Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 18:14 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <6952385b@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #79948 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-12-27, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 09:13:50 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> On 2025-12-27, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>> On 12/26/25 19:56, rbowman wrote: >>>>> You also missed the other big food fight, Wayland vs. x11. >>>> >>>> It continues with a small group working on another x11 >>>> replacement. Wayland is supposed to support all of X11 functions >>>> but the demanding users know that it falls short in some areas. >>> >>> Which group is this? >> >> https://x11libre.net/ >> >> I find it concerning he starts off with a rant. Nothing against rants but >> they don't tend to have staying power. > > Ah, still just that one, I'd hope a couple more projects would come > up. I'd hope more wouldn't come up, since it'd only cause compatibility issues, but here's another new one, which sounds like it's not for me: https://git.dec05eba.com/phoenix/about/ -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 03:28 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <6decnco7ib00ps_0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80023 |
On 12/29/25 03:14, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 2025-12-27, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 09:13:50 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>> On 2025-12-27, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>>> On 12/26/25 19:56, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> You also missed the other big food fight, Wayland vs. x11. >>>>> >>>>> It continues with a small group working on another x11 >>>>> replacement. Wayland is supposed to support all of X11 functions >>>>> but the demanding users know that it falls short in some areas. >>>> >>>> Which group is this? >>> >>> https://x11libre.net/ >>> >>> I find it concerning he starts off with a rant. Nothing against rants but >>> they don't tend to have staying power. >> >> Ah, still just that one, I'd hope a couple more projects would come >> up. > > I'd hope more wouldn't come up, since it'd only cause compatibility > issues, but here's another new one, which sounds like it's not > for me: > > https://git.dec05eba.com/phoenix/about/ Bear in mind ... do we WANT a bunch of X11, or even Wayland, forks ??? Sometimes a somewhat poor standard is better than 20 random 'standards' with different rules/details and their OWN problems. Just sayin' X11 isn't "perfect" - but NOTHING is gonna be. These aren't the CP/M, pre-CP/M days, it's all become VERY complicated. I'd rather have one or two 'complications' than 20.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 07:30 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <6952f2ea@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #80024 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 12/29/25 03:14, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> Ah, still just that one, I'd hope a couple more projects would come >>> up. >> >> I'd hope more wouldn't come up, since it'd only cause compatibility >> issues, but here's another new one, which sounds like it's not >> for me: >> >> https://git.dec05eba.com/phoenix/about/ > > Bear in mind ... do we WANT a bunch of X11, or even > Wayland, forks ??? > > Sometimes a somewhat poor standard is better than > 20 random 'standards' with different rules/details > and their OWN problems. > > Just sayin' Yep, that's what I'm saying too. That project gives a mixed message about their intentions for compatibility. They say "Replacing the Xorg server" is a "non-goal", yet they say they're open to extending the X11 protocol. Which means they'll need their own xlib library for GUI programs/toolkits to link against, and those programs/toolkits might at some point no longer build with the Xorg xlib as well, or even if they do, some distro packages might only be built for the Pheonix xlib. I'd prefer if protocol changes were left off the table at this point, X11 already has extensions to tick all the major boxes such as handling OpenGL and video. Wayland is already reinventing the wheel if that's what you want. On the up side, the site did point out this Wayland -> X11 "bridge" project, which is promising for if/when programs like Firefox drop X11 support: https://git.linuxping.win/12to11/12to11 -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 09:33 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <ncfc2mxcbk.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80076 |
On 2025-12-29 22:30, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> On 12/29/25 03:14, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> Ah, still just that one, I'd hope a couple more projects would come >>>> up. >>> >>> I'd hope more wouldn't come up, since it'd only cause compatibility >>> issues, but here's another new one, which sounds like it's not >>> for me: >>> >>> https://git.dec05eba.com/phoenix/about/ >> >> Bear in mind ... do we WANT a bunch of X11, or even >> Wayland, forks ??? >> >> Sometimes a somewhat poor standard is better than >> 20 random 'standards' with different rules/details >> and their OWN problems. >> >> Just sayin' > > Yep, that's what I'm saying too. That project gives a mixed message > about their intentions for compatibility. They say "Replacing the > Xorg server" is a "non-goal", yet they say they're open to > extending the X11 protocol. Which means they'll need their own xlib > library for GUI programs/toolkits to link against, and those > programs/toolkits might at some point no longer build with the Xorg > xlib as well, or even if they do, some distro packages might only > be built for the Pheonix xlib. > > I'd prefer if protocol changes were left off the table at this > point, X11 already has extensions to tick all the major boxes such > as handling OpenGL and video. Wayland is already reinventing the > wheel if that's what you want. My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the machine doesn't have 3D. > > On the up side, the site did point out this Wayland -> X11 "bridge" > project, which is promising for if/when programs like Firefox drop > X11 support: > > https://git.linuxping.win/12to11/12to11 > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 08:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <10j03jf$1ln9u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80099 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 09:33:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the > machine doesn't have 3D. Are there any machines made this century like that?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 14:46 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <8n1d2mxqf8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80101 |
On 2025-12-30 09:47, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 09:33:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the >> machine doesn't have 3D. > > Are there any machines made this century like that? Mine, and it is a recent machine. The hardware is capable, AMD, but I have not installed any proprietary drivers and vmware complains "there is no 3D support from the host". -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 09:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Wayland hardware requirements (was: Re: X11 forks) |
| Message-ID | <10j2q76$2eoas$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80101 |
On 2025-12-30, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 09:33:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the >> machine doesn't have 3D. > > Are there any machines made this century like that? ... yes. And worse, I think a bit of that may get done on software if the hardware doesn't support all of it, so if your response is this, it's making me wonder: is Wayland really dependent on hardware acceleration for 3D? I hope this is just a matter of wording, though. Could you please clarify? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 12:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wayland hardware requirements |
| Message-ID | <10j33ui$2gptg$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80159 |
On 31/12/2025 09:25, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-12-30, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 09:33:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the >>> machine doesn't have 3D. >> >> Are there any machines made this century like that? > > ... yes. > > And worse, I think a bit of that may get done on software if the > hardware doesn't support all of it, so if your response is this, it's > making me wonder: is Wayland really dependent on hardware acceleration > for 3D? > Interesting thought. That is typical of the bijoux buglets that happen when you try to clone an API. "Oh shit, we never tested it on THAT"... > I hope this is just a matter of wording, though. Could you please > clarify? > -- The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 07:31 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Wayland hardware requirements |
| Message-ID | <6955961a@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #80159 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-12-30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 09:33:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the >>> machine doesn't have 3D. >> >> Are there any machines made this century like that? > > ... yes. > > And worse, I think a bit of that may get done on software if the > hardware doesn't support all of it, so if your response is this, it's > making me wonder: is Wayland really dependent on hardware acceleration > for 3D? As I understand it Wayland does 3D through Mesa, and Mesa has a software renderer driver, so I don't know why hardware 3D support would be a requirement (except if the software rendering is considered unusably slow). Actually it now has several, since the swrast driver was removed now they have softpipe, llvmpipe, and swr. Of course you'll need Mesa's software renderer drivers installed. I guess they could be missing or optional on some distros. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 03:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <mrjj1cFqvk0U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80099 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 09:33:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the > machine doesn't have 3D. ??? I'm not sure if any of my machines do. How can you tell?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 11:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <rnbf2mx8k7.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80148 |
On 2025-12-31 04:19, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 09:33:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the >> machine doesn't have 3D. > > ??? I'm not sure if any of my machines do. How can you tell? I don't really know if my hardware box does 3D or not. I don't have the proprietary driver for the AMD video card, so it either runs slower or some features are off. But this way I don't have to bother installing external drivers. I can play Tux Racer. I can play flightgear. I understand those two games use 3D. However, vmware complains that "there is no 3D available from the host", and thus, clients do not have 3D. I installed a virtual machine with openSUSE Leap 16.0, which is wayland by default. There is no graphical mode, it crashes. I forced "legacy" X mode, and it works fine. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 12:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <10j33qm$2gptg$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80162 |
On 31/12/2025 10:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I don't really know if my hardware box does 3D or not. I don't have the > proprietary driver for the AMD video card, so it either runs slower or > some features are off. But this way I don't have to bother installing > external drivers. > > I can play Tux Racer. I can play flightgear. I understand those two > games use 3D. > > However, vmware complains that "there is no 3D available from the host", > and thus, clients do not have 3D. I installed a virtual machine with > openSUSE Leap 16.0, which is wayland by default. There is no graphical > mode, it crashes. I forced "legacy" X mode, and it works fine. IIRC there are various 3D shims that are more (or less) supported by the underlying hardware and drivers... Direct-X? OpenGL? -- The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 18:48 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <o74g2mxtau.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80164 |
On 2025-12-31 13:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/12/2025 10:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> I don't really know if my hardware box does 3D or not. I don't have
>> the proprietary driver for the AMD video card, so it either runs
>> slower or some features are off. But this way I don't have to bother
>> installing external drivers.
>>
>> I can play Tux Racer. I can play flightgear. I understand those two
>> games use 3D.
>>
>> However, vmware complains that "there is no 3D available from the
>> host", and thus, clients do not have 3D. I installed a virtual machine
>> with openSUSE Leap 16.0, which is wayland by default. There is no
>> graphical mode, it crashes. I forced "legacy" X mode, and it works fine.
>
> IIRC there are various 3D shims that are more (or less) supported by the
> underlying hardware and drivers...
>
> Direct-X? OpenGL?
I have no idea. I don't remember how to test for those :-D
Everything works, though. Except 3D in vmware.
I'll ask chatgpt.
cer@Telcontar:~> glxinfo | grep -E "OpenGL vendor|OpenGL renderer|OpenGL version"
OpenGL vendor string: AMD
OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon RX 580 Series (radeonsi, polaris10, LLVM 17.0.6, DRM 3.57, 6.4.0-150600.23.81-default)
OpenGL version string: 4.6 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 23.3.4
cer@Telcontar:~>
glxgears works.
Direct-X is a windows thing, check inside wine.
cer@Telcontar:~> wine dxdiag
...
wine: configuration in L"/home/cer/.wine" has been updated.
015c:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
015c:fixme:wbemprox:wbem_services_CreateInstanceEnum unsupported flags 0x30
015c:fixme:wbemprox:enum_class_object_Next timeout not supported
015c:fixme:ddraw:ddraw7_Initialize Ignoring guid {aeb2cdd4-6e41-43ea-941c-8361cc760781}.
015c:fixme:dxdiag:wWinMain Information dialog is not implemented
cer@Telcontar:~>
So it is a vmware thing.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 20:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <10j42ql$2s72e$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80178 |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 18:48:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Everything works, though. Except 3D in vmware. Simple answer: stop using VMWare.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 02:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <lh0h2mx99g.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80195 |
On 2025-12-31 21:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 18:48:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Everything works, though. Except 3D in vmware. > > Simple answer: stop using VMWare. I need to use something, and I'm familiar with it. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 02:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <10j4mem$33tuu$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80208 |
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 02:51:17 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-31 21:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 18:48:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> Everything works, though. Except 3D in vmware. >> >> Simple answer: stop using VMWare. > > I need to use something, and I'm familiar with it. Seriously, long past time to look at alternatives <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/05/broadcom-sends-cease-and-desist-letters-to-subscription-less-vmware-users/>. If you want an enterprise-class alternative, I have a client making heavy use of this <https://xcp-ng.org/>. Comes with a good GUI <https://xen-orchestra.com/>, too.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 06:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: X11 forks |
| Message-ID | <mrmgsuFcnbtU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80210 |
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 02:33:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > If you want an enterprise-class alternative, I have a client making > heavy use of this <https://xcp-ng.org/>. Comes with a good GUI > <https://xen-orchestra.com/>, too. Over the years we went from Citrix to Xen and finally to KVM on HA installations. It sort of amused me that all those super Windows Server VMs were squatting on top of RHEL and KVM.
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