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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 26 participants |
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“7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:07 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 08:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-15 12:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:10 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:15 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:37 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 15:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 22:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-18 11:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 12:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-18 21:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-18 21:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 23:12 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-18 19:52 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 00:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 09:54 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 11:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:21 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 22:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:33 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:52 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 13:00 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:46 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:34 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:40 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 16:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:55 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 08:41 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-20 19:01 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 12:58 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:10 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:02 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 07:43 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:13 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:27 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:39 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:07 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:39 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 10:53 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-19 12:15 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:24 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 15:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:38 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:41 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-16 07:53 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 10:57 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 20:58 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:25 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 11:19 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:37 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:00 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-18 07:03 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 01:03 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:46 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 12:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 14:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 13:48 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:22 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:05 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 22:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:09 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-15 06:19 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 03:00 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:44 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 23:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:57 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:31 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:52 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:49 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:26 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 09:57 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:12 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 13:11 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 18:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-19 11:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:27 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-20 05:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:32 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:16 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 08:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 09:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:56 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:28 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-22 07:14 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-21 13:27 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:17 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 21:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:40 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:33 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:10 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 23:01 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:51 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-22 09:35 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:35 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 08:02 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 17:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:06 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 11:02 +0100
Re: Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 16:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 21:18 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:45 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 23:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2026-01-23 18:51 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:33 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 11:11 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:15 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 09:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 10:25 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-25 07:02 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 12:39 +0000
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Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-29 08:49 +0000
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Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-26 13:13 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 09:02 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-27 10:10 +0100
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Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 11:56 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:30 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-23 21:39 -0800
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:36 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:17 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 09:03 +0000
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Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:20 +0000
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Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:56 +0000
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 12:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kqcfg$322kg$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81418 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 21/01/2026 08:58, Pancho wrote: >> sudo bash > >I am not sure that duplicates roots environment exactly. sudo -i does. sudo bash just gives you a root shell, preserving YOUR environment. That differs, for example, in $HOME and matters, for example, when you're testing processes that use the root account to ssh to somewhere else while respecting root's .ssh/config or needs an ssh key stored in root's .ssh. That is needed so often that sudo has a dedicated option, -H, to just set $HOME while preserving the caller's environment otherwise. That, on the other hand, is incredibly handy since you have your accustomed configuration including shell prompt and $EDITOR even when you have a root shell. One seldomly NEEDS a pure root environment. In my experience, sudoing without -H or -i is sufficient for nine out of ten times I use sudo (and that's a rather conservative estimate). Especially when working in teams you'll and up after a sudo -i with the personalization the asshole colleague has done to the root account according to HIS wishes, usually not caring that other people might want other settings. If that personalization includes risky things like the common beginner's bad idea of aliasing rm to rm -i, this is even an operational danger. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 12:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kqc02$3218d$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81416 |
Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: >On 1/21/26 04:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 21/01/2026 00:32, Pancho wrote: >>> My concern was about having a root account. >>> >>> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root >>> account, i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether >>> this strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me. >> >> I always enable one. >> >> Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type 'sudo' >> to edit every file... > >sudo bash sudo -i And that's a bad idea. If you delay an emergency solution significantly by five keystrokes per action that you're too slow a typist anyway. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 11:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kqd87$22f4t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81427 |
On 21/01/2026 11:06, Marc Haber wrote: > If you delay an emergency solution significantly by five keystrokes > per action that you're too slow a typist anyway. Why stay on a technical level when you can take it pesonal? -- Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. Richard Lindzen
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 07:14 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <697141bf@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #81427 |
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: >>On 1/21/26 04:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 21/01/2026 00:32, Pancho wrote: >>>> My concern was about having a root account. >>>> >>>> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root >>>> account, i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether >>>> this strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me. >>> >>> I always enable one. >>> >>> Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type 'sudo' >>> to edit every file... >> >>sudo bash > > sudo -i > > And that's a bad idea. > > If you delay an emergency solution significantly by five keystrokes > per action that you're too slow a typist anyway. Personally I find after three or so such actions in a row I've started typing those five keystrokes automatically and can start doing it by accident when it's not wanted. If anything, I find it easier to remember that I've briefly su'd to root, since getting out of root becomes a mental "to-do", but basically I've made the same mistake easily either way. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 22:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qkr74mx4a1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81416 |
On 2026-01-21 09:58, Pancho wrote: > On 1/21/26 04:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 21/01/2026 00:32, Pancho wrote: >>> My concern was about having a root account. >>> >>> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root >>> account, i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether >>> this strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me. >> >> I always enable one. >> >> Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type >> 'sudo' to edit every file... > > sudo bash If the emergency includes that /home can not be mounted, then you can not login as root, nor as anybody, to correct the issue. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 13:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10krgbd$2f6nk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81438 |
On 1/21/26 13:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-01-21 09:58, Pancho wrote:
>> On 1/21/26 04:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 21/01/2026 00:32, Pancho wrote:
>>>> My concern was about having a root account.
>>>>
>>>> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root
>>>> account, i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether
>>>> this strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me.
>>>
>>> I always enable one.
>>>
>>> Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type
>>> 'sudo' to edit every file...
>>
>> sudo bash
>
> If the emergency includes that /home can not be mounted, then you can
> not login as root, nor as anybody, to correct the issue.
>
>
Funny I have had situations where /home could not be mounted but
was able
to access my root account both via terminal and Desktop Environment.
On PCLOS we must set both root and user passwords on installation.
In the recent past we could use the same password for both but that
has been corrected. Probably a good thing... We cannot start up in
the root account but access is available to most functions restricted to
root via terminal and GUI. From the Boot we can choose to enter
root terminal and I have not checked because I have enough to deal
with in RL but formerly we could login to root via terminal then
"startx" but that was not too useful.
bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.01- Linux 6.12.66 pclos1- KDE
Plasma 6.5.5
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 22:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <89u74mx3kb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81443 |
On 2026-01-21 22:27, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 1/21/26 13:04, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-01-21 09:58, Pancho wrote: >>> On 1/21/26 04:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 21/01/2026 00:32, Pancho wrote: >>>>> My concern was about having a root account. >>>>> >>>>> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root >>>>> account, i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. >>>>> Whether this strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me. >>>> >>>> I always enable one. >>>> >>>> Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type >>>> 'sudo' to edit every file... >>> >>> sudo bash >> >> If the emergency includes that /home can not be mounted, then you can >> not login as root, nor as anybody, to correct the issue. >> >> > Funny I have had situations where /home could not be mounted but > was able > to access my root account both via terminal and Desktop Environment. > > On PCLOS we must set both root and user passwords on installation. > In the recent past we could use the same password for both but that > has been corrected. Probably a good thing... openSUSE used by default the same password for both, yes. We had a good row about this (some argued that it was good enough for home users, and easier on users coming from Windows), and finally the compromise was to allow during installation to click somewhere and type a different password for root. I don't know about the last version. > We cannot start up in > the root account but access is available to most functions restricted to > root via terminal and GUI. From the Boot we can choose to enter > root terminal and I have not checked because I have enough to deal > with in RL but formerly we could login to root via terminal then > "startx" but that was not too useful. > > bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.01- Linux 6.12.66 pclos1- KDE > Plasma 6.5.5 > > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-22 10:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10ksrgo$3a127$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81447 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >openSUSE used by default the same password for both, yes. We had a good >row about this (some argued that it was good enough for home users, and >easier on users coming from Windows), and finally the compromise was to >allow during installation to click somewhere and type a different >password for root. You didn't have configuration management back then to automate that? Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 13:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <54h94mxjik.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81472 |
On 2026-01-22 10:43, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> openSUSE used by default the same password for both, yes. We had a good >> row about this (some argued that it was good enough for home users, and >> easier on users coming from Windows), and finally the compromise was to >> allow during installation to click somewhere and type a different >> password for root. > > You didn't have configuration management back then to automate that? Automate what, the installation? I am not into that class, I never needed to install more than one machine at a time. But sure, there was YaST and there was autoyast. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-22 21:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10ku265$3eqcb$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81485 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-01-22 10:43, Marc Haber wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> openSUSE used by default the same password for both, yes. We had a good >>> row about this (some argued that it was good enough for home users, and >>> easier on users coming from Windows), and finally the compromise was to >>> allow during installation to click somewhere and type a different >>> password for root. >> >> You didn't have configuration management back then to automate that? > >Automate what, the installation? Automate setting passwords to your standards. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-22 22:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <54ia4mxh0k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81514 |
On 2026-01-22 21:43, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-01-22 10:43, Marc Haber wrote: >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>> openSUSE used by default the same password for both, yes. We had a good >>>> row about this (some argued that it was good enough for home users, and >>>> easier on users coming from Windows), and finally the compromise was to >>>> allow during installation to click somewhere and type a different >>>> password for root. >>> >>> You didn't have configuration management back then to automate that? >> >> Automate what, the installation? > > Automate setting passwords to your standards. Why would I need to do that? I am a home user. I can set different passwords for root and users, and that is what I want. I leave the settings for passwords to the distribution. You can change the settings after the initial install, I understand. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-23 12:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kvmaq$3jkp8$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81521 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-01-22 21:43, Marc Haber wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2026-01-22 10:43, Marc Haber wrote: >>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>>> openSUSE used by default the same password for both, yes. We had a good >>>>> row about this (some argued that it was good enough for home users, and >>>>> easier on users coming from Windows), and finally the compromise was to >>>>> allow during installation to click somewhere and type a different >>>>> password for root. >>>> >>>> You didn't have configuration management back then to automate that? >>> >>> Automate what, the installation? >> >> Automate setting passwords to your standards. > >Why would I need to do that? I am a home user. You said "we had a good row", and mentioned a compromise. That led me to the impression that you were talking about professional work in a team. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-23 14:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1j8c4mx9hf.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81539 |
On 2026-01-23 12:33, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-01-22 21:43, Marc Haber wrote: >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 2026-01-22 10:43, Marc Haber wrote: >>>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> openSUSE used by default the same password for both, yes. We had a good >>>>>> row about this (some argued that it was good enough for home users, and >>>>>> easier on users coming from Windows), and finally the compromise was to >>>>>> allow during installation to click somewhere and type a different >>>>>> password for root. >>>>> >>>>> You didn't have configuration management back then to automate that? >>>> >>>> Automate what, the installation? >>> >>> Automate setting passwords to your standards. >> >> Why would I need to do that? I am a home user. > > You said "we had a good row", and mentioned a compromise. That led me > to the impression that you were talking about professional work in a > team. > I was talking about the openSUSE community. The developers had modified the installer so that the 1st user password automatically set root to the same password. We convinced them, after a row, to add a click to set them differently. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-21 23:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10krib1$35qma$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81438 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-01-21 09:58, Pancho wrote: >> On 1/21/26 04:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 21/01/2026 00:32, Pancho wrote: >>>> My concern was about having a root account. >>>> >>>> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root >>>> account, i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether >>>> this strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me. >>> >>> I always enable one. >>> >>> Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type >>> 'sudo' to edit every file... >> >> sudo bash > >If the emergency includes that /home can not be mounted, then you can >not login as root, nor as anybody, to correct the issue. Yes, indeed. That's one of the cases when you need the root password. Didn't happen to my in a really long time. In most environments it is easier to redeploy such a system¹ than to obtain the root pw. Greetings Marc ¹ or break in via rescue system -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 22:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10krl70$2gp9v$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81438 |
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:04:58 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > If the emergency includes that /home can not be mounted, then you can > not login as root, nor as anybody, to correct the issue. Most Linux distros put the root home directory as /root, not in /home.
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| From | Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-22 09:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sm0h5seozb7.fsf@lakka.kapsi.fi> |
| In reply to | #81449 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:04:58 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> If the emergency includes that /home can not be mounted, then you can >> not login as root, nor as anybody, to correct the issue. > > Most Linux distros put the root home directory as /root, not in /home. Yes and on occasion when /home hasn't been available, I've just been logged in as ordinary user with a note saying something like home directory not available, using / as home. Of course, can't do much when system is in such a state but can login as user or root.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 10:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10ksru8$3a2c2$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81469 |
Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:
>Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:04:58 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> If the emergency includes that /home can not be mounted, then you can
>>> not login as root, nor as anybody, to correct the issue.
>>
>> Most Linux distros put the root home directory as /root, not in /home.
>
>Yes and on occasion when /home hasn't been available, I've just been
>logged in as ordinary user with a note saying something like home
>directory not available, using / as home. Of course, can't do much when
>system is in such a state but can login as user or root.
If you have password login turned off (which is good practice), you
can't login via ssh key if your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys isn't avaiable.
Most installations don't care much about that (it would be easy to
move the authorized_keys file, for example, to /etc), but it happens
seldomly enough to have other methods to repair¹ such systems.
I usually just keep /home on the root fs (splitting off /usr is
deprecated by systemd, splitting off /var and /home has become
unpopular in the times of LVM and VMs - myself being an old fart I
still frown upon that, but it surely has its advanages). If I need big
things in my /home (mustly database dumps and/or installation ISOs), I
mount another filesystem to ~/bigstuff
Sadly, systemd needs to be convinced to try booting a system it deems
broken as fas as it would go, hoping that ssh login + sudo is already
possible when the breakage hits. In the default configuration, systemd
tends to barf at many non-fatal things, stopping the boot and asking
for the root password (yes, the one that is often unavailable in big
installations) to continue booting. That's a nuisance. I would love
for systemd to implement an optional "boot-as-far-as-possible" setup
that could be chosen over the current behavior.
Greetings
Marc
¹ or simply redeploy ("cattle, not sheep")
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 09:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kss7l$2su5b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81469 |
On 2026-01-22, Anssi Saari wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > >> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:04:58 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> If the emergency includes that /home can not be mounted, then you can >>> not login as root, nor as anybody, to correct the issue. >> >> Most Linux distros put the root home directory as /root, not in /home. > > Yes and on occasion when /home hasn't been available, I've just been > logged in as ordinary user with a note saying something like home > directory not available, using / as home. Of course, can't do much when > system is in such a state but can login as user or root. I was wondering what was this about, but even if root's $HOME ends up under /home, passwd and shadow are still under /etc, so yes, it should still not prevent logging in? Or are we missing some detail here? (Depending on the system (and whether there is encryption and so on), it might also be possible to have a root session without logging in, by replacing sysvinit or systemd (well, whatever gets executed as PID 1) by a shell. Another approach is to get the disks mounted (possibly taking into account encryption) from another system and chroot(1).) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-22 09:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10ktn5o$378e7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81474 |
On 1/22/26 01:56, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-01-22, Anssi Saari wrote: > >> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >> >>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 22:04:58 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> If the emergency includes that /home can not be mounted, then you can >>>> not login as root, nor as anybody, to correct the issue. >>> >>> Most Linux distros put the root home directory as /root, not in /home. >> >> Yes and on occasion when /home hasn't been available, I've just been >> logged in as ordinary user with a note saying something like home >> directory not available, using / as home. Of course, can't do much when >> system is in such a state but can login as user or root. > > I was wondering what was this about, but even if root's $HOME ends up > under /home, passwd and shadow are still under /etc, so yes, it should > still not prevent logging in? Or are we missing some detail here? > > (Depending on the system (and whether there is encryption and so on), it > might also be possible to have a root session without logging in, by > replacing sysvinit or systemd (well, whatever gets executed as PID 1) by > a shell. Another approach is to get the disks mounted (possibly taking > into account encryption) from another system and chroot(1).) > Another point is that terminology is confused. "/"(aka root) is the equivalent to /system or /C and every system I have been willing to use in the last 20 years has made "/"(root) and "/home" in separate partitions. Foolish innovaters as in Canonical have allowed "/home" to be mounted only in "/"(root) which is to my ideas of Linux is practically disgusting. I have used CPM, AmigaOS and Windows XP as well as Linux. That leaves out GEOS. C=64 and C64/128 in native mode. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.01- Linux 6.12.66 pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.5.5
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 12:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kvmda$3jl34$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81503 |
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: >every system I have been willing to use in the last 20 >years has >made "/"(root) and "/home" in separate partitions. Foolish innovaters >as in Canonical >have allowed "/home" to be mounted only in "/"(root) which is to my >ideas of Linux >is practically disgusting I disagree with nearly everything you have written up there, including the formatting. I don't think it is worth to have further discussion about that here. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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