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HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox

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First post2021-08-26 00:34 -0400
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  HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 00:34 -0400
    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-26 05:05 +0000
      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 20:57 -0400
        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:12 +0100
          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 02:43 -0400
            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 09:28 +0100
              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-01 00:13 -0400
                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-01 08:52 +0100
                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:29 -0400
                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:49 +0100
            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-01 04:21 +0000
        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-09-09 21:56 +0200
    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 10:03 +0100
      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 20:36 -0400
        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:08 +0100
          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 01:32 -0400
    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-26 12:26 -0400
      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-08-26 19:49 +0300
        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 21:06 -0400
          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:58 +0100
            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-27 13:22 -0400
              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-27 11:26 -0700
                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-28 01:22 -0400
                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-28 09:53 +0100
                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 02:08 -0400
                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-28 12:11 -0400
                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 01:08 -0400
                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-29 04:01 -0400
                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 23:32 -0400
                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-30 00:51 +0000
                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-30 00:06 -0400
                          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-30 14:03 +0000
                            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 01:25 -0400
                              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-01 04:21 +0000
                                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-04 01:37 -0400
              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-28 09:40 +0100
                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-28 12:20 -0400
                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2021-08-29 00:55 +0000
                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 01:58 -0400
                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-31 06:16 -0400
                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 23:47 -0400
                          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-01 07:52 -0400
                            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2021-09-02 01:49 +0000
                              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2021-09-02 02:39 +0000
                                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-02 01:29 -0400
                            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-02 01:10 -0400
                              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-02 14:51 -0400
                                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-02 13:25 -0700
                                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-02 21:24 -0400
                                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 03:38 -0400
                                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-03 09:14 +0100
                                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-04 01:01 -0400
                                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-03 12:13 -0400
                                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-04 01:16 -0400
                                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 03:19 -0400
                                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-03 14:00 +0000
                                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 17:44 +0100
                                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 14:11 -0400
                                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 19:53 +0100
                                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-03 13:59 -0700
                                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 20:18 -0400
                                          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 02:14 -0400
                                            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:47 +0100
                                              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-09-05 10:00 -0500
                                                Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:16 +0000
                                              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-05 12:05 -0400
                                                Re: fine old languages, HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:20 +0000
                                                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 23:00 -0400
                                                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
                                                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 16:27 -0400
                                                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 18:30 -0400
                                                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-08 00:17 +0000
                                                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:50 +0100
                                                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-06 11:16 -0400
                                                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-06 15:04 -0400
                                              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2021-09-09 02:04 +0000
                                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 01:40 -0400
                                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:38 +0100
                                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-05 10:49 +0100
                                          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 11:22 +0100
                                            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:31 +0100
                                              OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:38 +0100
                                                Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 12:15 +0100
                                          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
                                            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-07 22:05 +0100
                                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-05 10:13 +0000
                                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:50 -0400
                                          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:18 -0400
                                            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 22:38 -0400
                                              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 08:53 +0100
                                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 12:22 -0400
                                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-09-03 19:34 +0000
                                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-03 19:57 -0400
                              Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-09-03 08:27 +0300
                                Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 01:03 -0400
                                  Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-09-05 15:25 +0300
                                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 14:03 +0100
                                    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-05 19:27 +0300
                                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:14 -0400
                                      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-06 00:53 -0400
                                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:58 +0100
                                        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-06 12:36 +0300
            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-28 00:44 -0400
      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 17:51 +0100
        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-28 01:48 -0400
          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-28 10:16 +0100
            Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 00:21 -0400
    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2021-08-26 19:53 +0200
      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 20:33 -0400
    Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:01 +0000
      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 04:40 +0100
      Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-02 00:15 -0400
        Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-02 06:02 +0000
          Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 02:37 -0400

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#33043

FromSixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date2021-08-31 23:47 -0400
Message-ID<v8-dnU5U95snarP8nZ2dnUU7-LnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#33026
On 8/31/21 6:16 AM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 01:58:53 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 08/28/2021 08:55 PM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 12:20:28 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 09:40:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> With Wordstar and Supercalc and a dot matrix printer, you were in
>>>>> business on two floppy drives - one for programs, one for data,
>>>>
>>>> I think the first word processor was Electronic Pencil.
>>>> "Everything" after are a clones. ;-)
>>> heh...
>>> I still have WordStar 6.0 running in DosBox on my Ubuntu system.
>>> I have it running both for a curiosity exercise and for the ability
>>> to print some old, specially crafted PCL files.
>>> I'll see if I can drag it along to its half-century mark...
>>
>>    WordStar was OK ... basic, but GOT IT DONE. Just had
>>    to learn those shortcut commands  :-)
> 
> /me hugs the WordStar Diamond
> 
> As I mentioned I love running vintage machines in an emulator I never
> owned to relive early micro computer history. For fun I did some word
> editing with WordStar on a Osborn I. Its keyboard doesn't has cursor keys
> (so the real cursor keys on the host machine have no function when
> emulating the Osborn), thus I had to use the "WordStar Diamond" instead.
> 
> Also had to learn the WordStar shortcuts ^K.

   You could make do nicely with about 10 of them.

   I'll have to find a WordStar .img file somewhere ...

   I'm not sure what "vintage" means to YOU. A VIC-20 ? ZX-81 ?
   TI-994a ? C64 ? Atari ? CoCo ? I bought almost all of those
   new in the box. Still have the TI ... and the warning about
   the power supply bursting into flames :-) TI totally *blew*
   it with that box ... the nice 9900 processor was hardly
   allowed to DO anything, the programs ran mostly off the GPU.
   Then they tried to micro-manage/profit off EVERY plug in
   cartridge which totally put off would-be developers. Cool
   chip though - had a funky hardware-based approach to
   multi-user/multi-tasking. BLWP - Branch and Load Workspace
   Pointer ... I still remember that bit of assembler ....

   To me, "vintage" would mean an IBM 360/370 or DEC PDP-11 box.
   Normal humans couldn't buy those mainframes/minis. I always
   lusted for a Micro-VAX ... saw one, looked kind of like an
   extra-fat server box ... that powered a place with 100
   employees via thin clients and terminals. Word processing,
   news (even usenet), spreadsheet-like programs, loads of
   math/statistical stuff, and you could almost seamlessly
   branch off to other remote systems in their network and
   beyond. "Connected"/"Big Data" are NOT new concepts -
   those Dilberts had been doing it from the early 60s and
   had it down good by the 70s.

   Oh, got an 80s database program, that hadn't been run since
   maybe '92, up and going in DosBox-X today. The big trick was
   finding the proper account names (and getting DBX to "print"
   to text files). Tons of data to mine now. I'll write a Python
   program to parse the report texts, turn 'em into CSVs. The
   minor issue is that the thing REALLY wasn't comfortable with
   Y2K. The company still exists, but not the product. Their
   replacement is something like five figures for an average
   sized company .... yeek !

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#33053

FromAndreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date2021-09-01 07:52 -0400
Message-ID<87pmtstsvv.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to#33043
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 23:47:05 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>
> On 8/31/21 6:16 AM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 01:58:53 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>
>>>    WordStar was OK ... basic, but GOT IT DONE. Just had
>>>    to learn those shortcut commands  :-)
>> /me hugs the WordStar Diamond
>> As I mentioned I love running vintage machines in an emulator I
>> never
>> owned to relive early micro computer history. For fun I did some word
>> editing with WordStar on a Osborn I. Its keyboard doesn't has cursor keys
>> (so the real cursor keys on the host machine have no function when
>> emulating the Osborn), thus I had to use the "WordStar Diamond" instead.
>> Also had to learn the WordStar shortcuts ^K.
>
>   You could make do nicely with about 10 of them.
>
>   I'll have to find a WordStar .img file somewhere ...
>
>   I'm not sure what "vintage" means to YOU. A VIC-20 ? ZX-81 ?
>   TI-994a ? C64 ? Atari ? CoCo ?

All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s.
-- 
Andreas

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#33056

FromRoger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
Date2021-09-02 01:49 +0000
Message-ID<20210901214615@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#33053
On 2021-09-01, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s.

I still have my Interact in the original box. Hasn't worked in ages though.

  http://oldcomputermuseum.com/interact.html

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#33057

FrompH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
Date2021-09-02 02:39 +0000
Message-ID<sgpdg5$vtn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#33056
On 2021-09-02, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2021-09-01, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s.
>
> I still have my Interact in the original box. Hasn't worked in ages though.
>
>   http://oldcomputermuseum.com/interact.html


I appreciate the links you have in your sig and found the 18 reasons one
very interesting reading.

pH

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#33062

FromSixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date2021-09-02 01:29 -0400
Message-ID<ROudnT9NNJyn_K38nZ2dnUU7-UvNnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#33057
On 9/1/21 10:39 PM, pH wrote:
> On 2021-09-02, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2021-09-01, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s.
>>
>> I still have my Interact in the original box. Hasn't worked in ages though.
>>
>>    http://oldcomputermuseum.com/interact.html
> 
> 
> I appreciate the links you have in your sig and found the 18 reasons one
> very interesting reading.
> 
> pH

   An Osbourne/KayPro OUGHT to boot OK even after all this
   time. The main worry is old-style capacitors. The
   secondary worry is that the coating will flake off
   boot disks the minute you spin them up. There at least
   USED to be some places that would read those disks
   "touchless" and move it all to newer media.

   Those were NICE Z-80 boxes - albeit kind of 'end
   of the line'. The IBM "portable" PC was the same
   idea. All were the size of medium suitcases and
   HEAVY and you needed to be young to read those
   little built-in screens. The IBM though ... 640k
   and an 8087 .... the others just could NOT compete.
   And thus so ended CP/M-80 and CP/M in general.

   Somewhere I have a picture of myself using an IBM-PPC
   very literally "in the field" run from a DC-AC converter.
   Field tests of various equipment, weather data was part
   of the equation. How will particles spit from a dispenser
   drift on the wind though the meadow ... I think this
   was the '85 timeframe. Turbo-3 software - even found a
   use for the Turtle Graphics ... the Turtle was a pointer
   for the wind direction  :-)

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#33061

FromSixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date2021-09-02 01:10 -0400
Message-ID<1vSdnRrF6Iwvwa38nZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#33053
On 9/1/21 7:52 AM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 23:47:05 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/31/21 6:16 AM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 01:58:53 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>     WordStar was OK ... basic, but GOT IT DONE. Just had
>>>>     to learn those shortcut commands  :-)
>>> /me hugs the WordStar Diamond
>>> As I mentioned I love running vintage machines in an emulator I
>>> never
>>> owned to relive early micro computer history. For fun I did some word
>>> editing with WordStar on a Osborn I. Its keyboard doesn't has cursor keys
>>> (so the real cursor keys on the host machine have no function when
>>> emulating the Osborn), thus I had to use the "WordStar Diamond" instead.
>>> Also had to learn the WordStar shortcuts ^K.
>>
>>    You could make do nicely with about 10 of them.
>>
>>    I'll have to find a WordStar .img file somewhere ...
>>
>>    I'm not sure what "vintage" means to YOU. A VIC-20 ? ZX-81 ?
>>    TI-994a ? C64 ? Atari ? CoCo ?
> 
> All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s.

   Did ONE project on an Osbourne (or was it KayPro) "portable"
   for people who were *convinced* CP/M-80 was forever and always
   in the Business World. DOS - just a 'fad'. Oh well, they paid
   actual money so ....  :-)

   The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized,
   heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k
   and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much .....

   WAY back, I did biz with a computer shop (remember those ?)
   and the owner once asked me if there was ANY use for 16/32-bit
   processors. I must have been psychic back in the day ... I said
   32/64 was the future, and one of the main reasons would be
   GRAPHICS/GUIs  :-)

   He was not convinced - and wanted me to buy an Atari-400 ...

   I will still claim credit (surely unwarranted) for the Java
   idea. That was back in the dial-up BBS days. They were all
   text based and I said it might be nice to write TexTronic
   graphic terminal emulators for the common machines and
   export content in a format ALL could translate into nice
   graphical displays. Why, you might even be able to see
   PICTURES live in the posts !!!

   OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just
   a TAD slow ......

   I *do* still have a VIC-20 in the storage heap somewhere.
   Gotta see it it'll still boot sometime. They were actually
   better to learn assembler on than the C64 because of the
   simpler memory model. Also acquired an Apple 2e - WITH
   dual floppy drives - it DOES boot, but I really really
   need to figure out how to copy the system disks to newer
   media. The coating is probably ready to flake off ....

   Emulated is nice, but the REAL HARDWARE is still mor
   e
   compelling. Alas, even now, I can't buy a System-360
   even though I do have an un-used room big enough to
   hold all the necessary peripherials. It'd be a bit
   crowded, yea, but ...

   Can you still buy data-tape reels and paper-tape ?
   Somewhere on YouTube there's a video by some guy
   who brought a PDP-11 system back to life - AND
   booted it with a strip of paper tape. The physical
   interface seemed rather complex though.

   Finished using DosBox-X today to run an ancient DB and
   print 14 years worth of reports. Went MUCH nicer when
   I set DBX to run at FULL speed - minutes became seconds.
   A tad of Python and the ascii printouts became CSVs
   that I brought into LibreOffice-Calc for posterity.
   The DB was non-Y2K-compliant and 1999 was the last
   time it was used. There WAS very extensive documentation,
   but that was trashed a decade ago. Found the main account
   by searching left-over BATCH files. NOW I've got to make
   its successor, FileMaker, run. Finding the user/PWs will
   take a lot of looking/guessing though ...

   Oh well, I've gone on too long.

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#33068

FromAndreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date2021-09-02 14:51 -0400
Message-ID<87fsumsteu.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to#33061
On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 01:10:09 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>
>   The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized,
>   heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k
>   and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much .....

Didn't IBM came up with that after they saw the tremendous success of the
COMPAQ Portable (I think it was called "COMPAQ" when advertised). I seem
to remember the look came to be when two of the employees were on a lunch
break and put the design on a napkin.

>   OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just
>   a TAD slow ......

There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the
mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The
text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud
is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a
great deal". *g*

I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You
might enjoy it.
-- 
Andreas

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#33069

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com>
Date2021-09-02 13:25 -0700
Message-ID<sgrc09$kcn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#33068
On 9/2/21 11:51, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 01:10:09 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>
>>    The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized,
>>    heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k
>>    and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much .....
> 
> Didn't IBM came up with that after they saw the tremendous success of the
> COMPAQ Portable (I think it was called "COMPAQ" when advertised). I seem
> to remember the look came to be when two of the employees were on a lunch
> break and put the design on a napkin.
> 
>>    OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just
>>    a TAD slow ......
> 
> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the
> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The
> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud
> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a
> great deal". *g*
> 
> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You
> might enjoy it.
> 

	Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200 baud was 
a little better but I waited for the first cheap <$100 2400 baud device 
was for sale at a computer show.
	That was special.

bliss - boots & runs a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos.


-- 
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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#33070

FromAndreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date2021-09-02 21:24 -0400
Message-ID<87tuj2qwmx.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to#33069
On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:25:43 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
> On 9/2/21 11:51, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in
>> the
>> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The
>> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud
>> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a
>> great deal". *g*
>> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you
>> there. You
>> might enjoy it.
>> 
>
> 	Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200
> 	baud was a little better but I waited for the first cheap
> 	<$100 2400 baud device was for sale at a computer show.
> 	That was special.

Started with PCs in 1995 and had a 28,000 Modem. Used it in Windows 95
which came with the PC but also in pure MS-DOS. I think you could abort
the Windows boot and issue a parameter "gui=0" or something that Windows
was involved. Cannot remember what I used, but was using it for BBS.

Later in Linux (Hooray, were are on topic again ;-) - where I in 1997 had
no GUI due to hard disk space restrains - I used minicom.
-- 
Andreas

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#33077

FromSixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date2021-09-03 03:38 -0400
Message-ID<iLSdnbwHgo59Taz8nZ2dnUU7-LPNnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#33070
On 9/2/21 9:24 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:25:43 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>> On 9/2/21 11:51, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>
>>> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in
>>> the
>>> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The
>>> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud
>>> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a
>>> great deal". *g*
>>> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you
>>> there. You
>>> might enjoy it.
>>>
>>
>> 	Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200
>> 	baud was a little better but I waited for the first cheap
>> 	<$100 2400 baud device was for sale at a computer show.
>> 	That was special.
> 
> Started with PCs in 1995 and had a 28,000 Modecm.

  Wow - SO priviledged !!!  :-)

  300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's.

  You could literally read the text AS it came in.

  But there were slower rates before that ...

> Used it in Windows 95

   VIC-20s, Atari-400s, one LSI-11 box ... massive
   overwhelming KILOBYTES of RAM  :-)

> which came with the PC but also in pure MS-DOS. I think you could abort
> the Windows boot and issue a parameter "gui=0" or something that Windows
> was involved. Cannot remember what I used, but was using it for BBS.

   BBS's were originally pre-IBM, pre-DOS. Mostly the
   new consumer PCs of the era. A C64 was *advanced* ...

   There WAS software that'd let you hook a C64 into a
   bunch of multiplexed phone lines and cope with dozens
   of users at once. Basically, the users were treated
   as serial terminals connected to one 'server'.
   Pretty impressive for literal megahertz boxes.

   LOTS of them though. The best was one by BYTE magazine.
   All the tech stuff. CompuServe came into the picture too.
   Had large forums almost exactly like usenet (well, the
   civil way usenet USED to be).

   I had a serial terminal plugged into a 1200 baud modem
   back then. It was fun. ATTD <phone number> .... type
   it right.

> Later in Linux (Hooray, were are on topic again ;-) - where I in 1997 had
> no GUI due to hard disk space restrains - I used minicom.

   There was Linux before there were GUIs for it. Came in
   fairly early, but X was pretty beta/alpha for awhile
   there ....

   I'd always wanted UNIX ... but could not afford it. Linux
   was the "cheap" quasi-UNIX and was thus very attractive.
   Kinda junky at the start, but it got a little better ....

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#33078

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-09-03 09:14 +0100
Message-ID<sgslhc$djo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#33077
On 03/09/2021 08:38, SixOverFive wrote:
> 300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's.

I raise you 50 baud and an acoustic coupler early 1970s
My first experience of 'computer modelling' at the far end of the phone 
line.

The model predicted results were of course nothing like the actual real 
world result, because the model was far too simple.

Bit like Climate Change really, except instead of 50 baud and a 
mainframe with less power than a z80, we have gigabit speeds and a 
supercomputer to calculate answers predicated on assumptions too 
simplistic to have any real world value.

That's PROGRESS.

-- 
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of 
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people 
who pay no price for being wrong.”

Thomas Sowell

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#33092

FromSixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date2021-09-04 01:01 -0400
Message-ID<TMmdnSjlo9I8YK_8nZ2dnUU7-U3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#33078
On 9/3/21 4:14 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 03/09/2021 08:38, SixOverFive wrote:
>> 300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's.
> 
> I raise you 50 baud and an acoustic coupler early 1970s

   Well played sir  :-)

   Yes, there WAS a time when 300 baud was magically advanced  :-)

> My first experience of 'computer modelling' at the far end of the phone 
> line.
> 
> The model predicted results were of course nothing like the actual real 
> world result, because the model was far too simple.

   "Models" are almost always that way alas .... the
   Real World is MESSY and infested with Butterflies.

   In the old days, these "modelers" would be walking the
   streets in togas, carrying "REPENT- THE END IS NEAR"
   signs. NOW, it's Prime Time, book/movie deals, testimony
   before Congress. Maybe the end IS near ? First-world
   societies - SO dependent on efficient, sane, practical,
   interconnectivity - fall first and hardest .......

   And the horsemen of The Horde follows closely.

   The LATEST trend has been to deliberately SABOTAGE "AI"
   systems that, after crunching petabytes of data, arrive
   at conclusions not in keeping with the latest social/policial/
   economic 'PC' orthodoxies. What's THAT say ? "The Science",
   but ONLY if it's saying what you want to hear.

> Bit like Climate Change really, except instead of 50 baud and a 
> mainframe with less power than a z80, we have gigabit speeds and a 
> supercomputer to calculate answers predicated on assumptions too 
> simplistic to have any real world value.

   GIGO ... *now* at a million times the speed  :-)

> That's PROGRESS.

   Maybe that guy on TV is right - buy LOTS of gold
   and move to Namibia or somewhere WAY off the grid ....

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#33081

FromAndreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date2021-09-03 12:13 -0400
Message-ID<87o899r61y.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to#33077
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 03:38:07 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>
> On 9/2/21 9:24 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:25:43 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>>> 	Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200
>>> 	baud was a little better but I waited for the first cheap
>>> 	<$100 2400 baud device was for sale at a computer show.
>>> 	That was special.
>> Started with PCs in 1995 and had a 28,000 Modecm.
>
>  Wow - SO priviledged !!!  :-)
>
>  300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's.

I was so underprivileged to miss the early days in micro-computing. And
when I finally had my first (Commodore 64 in late 1984) no one had a
modem. It was too expensive and the next BBS was a long distance call away.

>  You could literally read the text AS it came in.

One of the days back then borrowed an acoustic coupler. There you could
read the text as it came in. And hold your farts, as it would disrupt the
connection. There was no error correction (or we didn't knew about it) so
garbage was then printed on the screen. *g*
-- 
Andreas

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#33093

FromSixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date2021-09-04 01:16 -0400
Message-ID<s_mdnXRDeMbXnK78nZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#33081
On 9/3/21 12:13 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 03:38:07 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/2/21 9:24 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:25:43 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>
>>>> 	Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200
>>>> 	baud was a little better but I waited for the first cheap
>>>> 	<$100 2400 baud device was for sale at a computer show.
>>>> 	That was special.
>>> Started with PCs in 1995 and had a 28,000 Modecm.
>>
>>   Wow - SO priviledged !!!  :-)
>>
>>   300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's.
> 
> I was so underprivileged to miss the early days in micro-computing. And
> when I finally had my first (Commodore 64 in late 1984) no one had a
> modem. It was too expensive and the next BBS was a long distance call away.

   There WERE modems for C64s ... but they WERE kind of expensive.
   I spent a lot of my poor paychecks on PC hardware back then ...

   And yes, many BBS's were long-distance calls.

   Liked the old BYTE Mag BBS though - toll free number.

   And somewhere in there was Compuserve - affordable.
   It had forums MUCH like usenet, albeit more civil.
   For kicks I used an old serial terminal plugged into
   a modem - no "system"/OS at all.

   MAY find ways to go back to something like that,
   given modern issues .......

   Alas when CS started losing money to the internet it
   changed a bunch of policies/procedures and you could
   not even un-subscribe - NO way to contact a human.
   Eventually I went to the bank and had them REJECT
   any and all charges from CS. CS didn't like it -
   even issued threats - but TOUGH. They never got
   another dime.

>>   You could literally read the text AS it came in.
> 
> One of the days back then borrowed an acoustic coupler. There you could
> read the text as it came in. And hold your farts, as it would disrn.upt the
> connection. There was no error correction (or we didn't knew about it) so
> garbage was then printed on the screen. *g*

   Yep. There WAS error-correction, but BARELY. Random
   noises COULD be interpreted as data.

   The fun fun Bad Old Days  :-)

   And it WAS fun.

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#33076

FromSixOverFive <hae274c.net>
Date2021-09-03 03:19 -0400
Message-ID<jICdnW4qH7AGUaz8nZ2dnUU7-QPNnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#33068
On 9/2/21 2:51 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 01:10:09 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>
>>    The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized,
>>    heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k
>>    and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much .....
> 
> Didn't IBM came up with that after they saw the tremendous success of the
> COMPAQ Portable (I think it was called "COMPAQ" when advertised). I seem
> to remember the look came to be when two of the employees were on a lunch
> break and put the design on a napkin.

   Yep, it was intended as a direct competitor to the
   Compaq "portable" ... and, at the time, also Osbourne
   and KayPro.

   But, like them, it was basically a desktop PC shoved
   into a suitcase-sized box with a handle.

   I was using the IBM-PPC for agricultural-product
   research at the time. Wanted to see how certain
   dusts would disperse in the wind across the fields.
   Kept track of wind direction/speed and there were
   sticky-slides at certain intervals in the bushes.
   Got lots of neato pretty-colored wind-drift
   charts out of that. From that, "average" dispersal
   data could be gleaned, useful for real-world
   application charts.

>>    OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just
>>    a TAD slow ......
> 
> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the
> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The
> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud
> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a
> great deal". *g* 

   Heh ... yea yea ... I *remember*. Had one of those
   'acoustic modems' in the beginning - you literally
   squished the phone handpiece into them. My first
   1200 baud was Anchor Robotics. VASTLY better. At
   300 baud you could actually read the text real-time
   as it came in. Oh well, there WERE slower baud rates
   before then .........

   Somewhere I have a Radio Shack "laptop" ... last
   thing Gates actually wrote some code for. This was
   WAY before real 'laptops'. They were VERY popular
   with the Press - you could fit the acoustic coupler
   into any phone in the world and send in your story.
   (also had a direct-connect phone line capability -
   it could dial tone or pulse AND deal with common
   foreign systems). Ran on actual dry/alk BATTERIES
   you could buy at any store.

> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You
> might enjoy it.

   Having LIVED a lot of this "folklore" it doesn't seem
   like nostalgic "lore" to me .....

   But I did mostly miss the mainframe/mini days ...
   only had to use punchcards/paper-tape ONCE in a
   college class (which I dropped out of because
   the school already had serial terminals that'd
   do all that PLUS). The class was years behind
   the reality ......

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#33080

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2021-09-03 14:00 +0000
Message-ID<6UpYI.11650$2Q_3.6844@fx35.iad>
In reply to#33076
SixOverFive <hae274c.net> writes:
>On 9/2/21 2:51 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

>> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the
>> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The
>> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud
>> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a
>> great deal". *g* 
>
>   Heh ... yea yea ... I *remember*. Had one of those
>   'acoustic modems' in the beginning - you literally
>   squished the phone handpiece into them. My first
>   1200 baud was Anchor Robotics. VASTLY better. At
>   300 baud you could actually read the text real-time
>   as it came in. Oh well, there WERE slower baud rates
>   before then .........

Try 110 baud with an ASR-33.  Switching to 300 baud on
a LA-120 was blazing fast...

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#33082

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2021-09-03 17:44 +0100
Message-ID<20210903174437.cb472b1ca827ddb506513267@eircom.net>
In reply to#33080
On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:00:34 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> Try 110 baud with an ASR-33.

	We found it very useful in 1974, turn on punch both ends and run
tapes through the readers at each end to get two way data transfer with
hard copy.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#33083

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2021-09-03 14:11 -0400
Message-ID<b164jgt5pl8tuuu7gs8s4gtjd6ldsf4tao@4ax.com>
In reply to#33076
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 03:19:54 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:

>On 9/2/21 2:51 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 01:10:09 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>    The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized,
>>>    heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k
>>>    and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much .....
>> 
>> Didn't IBM came up with that after they saw the tremendous success of the
>> COMPAQ Portable (I think it was called "COMPAQ" when advertised). I seem
>> to remember the look came to be when two of the employees were on a lunch
>> break and put the design on a napkin.
>
>   Yep, it was intended as a direct competitor to the
>   Compaq "portable" ... and, at the time, also Osbourne
>   and KayPro.
>
>   But, like them, it was basically a desktop PC shoved
>   into a suitcase-sized box with a handle.
>
>   I was using the IBM-PPC for agricultural-product
>   research at the time. Wanted to see how certain
>   dusts would disperse in the wind across the fields.
>   Kept track of wind direction/speed and there were
>   sticky-slides at certain intervals in the bushes.
>   Got lots of neato pretty-colored wind-drift
>   charts out of that. From that, "average" dispersal
>   data could be gleaned, useful for real-world
>   application charts.
>
>>>    OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just
>>>    a TAD slow ......
>> 
>> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the
>> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The
>> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud
>> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a
>> great deal". *g* 
>
>   Heh ... yea yea ... I *remember*. Had one of those
>   'acoustic modems' in the beginning - you literally
>   squished the phone handpiece into them. My first
>   1200 baud was Anchor Robotics. VASTLY better. At
>   300 baud you could actually read the text real-time
>   as it came in. Oh well, there WERE slower baud rates
>   before then .........
>
>   Somewhere I have a Radio Shack "laptop" ... last
>   thing Gates actually wrote some code for. This was
>   WAY before real 'laptops'. They were VERY popular
>   with the Press - you could fit the acoustic coupler
>   into any phone in the world and send in your story.
>   (also had a direct-connect phone line capability -
>   it could dial tone or pulse AND deal with common
>   foreign systems). Ran on actual dry/alk BATTERIES
>   you could buy at any store.
>
>> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You
>> might enjoy it.
>
>   Having LIVED a lot of this "folklore" it doesn't seem
>   like nostalgic "lore" to me .....
>
>   But I did mostly miss the mainframe/mini days ...
>   only had to use punchcards/paper-tape ONCE in a
>   college class (which I dropped out of because
>   the school already had serial terminals that'd
>   do all that PLUS). The class was years behind
>   the reality ......

Some professors are like that.  I remember helping an undergrad find
the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even
know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up).
Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the
chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use
cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world.  I
ended up having to go dig up an operator.

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#33084

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2021-09-03 19:53 +0100
Message-ID<20210903195345.1fe658b46921b8bcfff7a36e@eircom.net>
In reply to#33083
On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:11:42 -0400
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> and that idiot insisted that his students use
> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. 

	Reminds me of the A level computer science course I wished I hadn't
taken - the year before it had been all about machine architecture,
assembly language programming, data structures and algorithms, fun stuff.
But I wasn't allowed to take it that year (because I was taking my O
levels) I had to wait and take it the following year and so the course I
got to take was COBOL, systems analysis and data validation and not what I
had been looking forward to at all. But it was "what we'd be working with
in the real world" or so I was told when I moaned about the change.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#33086

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2021-09-03 13:59 -0700
Message-ID<601278435.652395486.631602.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#33084
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:11:42 -0400
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> and that idiot insisted that his students use
>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. 
> 
> 	Reminds me of the A level computer science course I wished I hadn't
> taken - the year before it had been all about machine architecture,
> assembly language programming, data structures and algorithms, fun stuff.
> But I wasn't allowed to take it that year (because I was taking my O
> levels) I had to wait and take it the following year and so the course I
> got to take was COBOL, systems analysis and data validation and not what I
> had been looking forward to at all. But it was "what we'd be working with
> in the real world" or so I was told when I moaned about the change.
> 

COBOL programmers are still in demand, apparently.

-- 
Pete

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