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Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI

Started byLeroy H <lh@somewhere.net>
First post2026-10-16 03:26 +0000
Last post2026-10-18 10:59 +0000
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                        Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-24 18:53 +0200
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                            Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-26 06:20 +0100
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                                Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-27 05:01 +0100
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                                    [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 01:12 +0100
                                      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 05:26 -0400
                                        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-28 19:33 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:19 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-29 12:27 -0400
                                              Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 03:40 -0400
                                                Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:24 +0000
                                                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 23:10 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
                                                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:40 +0100
                                                    Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 10:49 +0000
                                                      Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-31 13:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:53 +0100
                                                      Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
                                                        Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 22:41 +0000
                                                          Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:31 +0100
                                                        Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-11-01 20:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-31 14:11 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 16:57 +0100
                                                      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
                                                        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 22:11 +0100
                                                          Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:18 -0500
                                                            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:22 +0100
                                                          Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:59 +0100
                                                            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:50 +0100
                                                              Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-11-01 18:09 +0000
                                                            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:29 +0000
                                                        Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-01 01:08 +0000
                                                          Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:03 +0100
                                                        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-11-01 10:58 +0100
                                                          Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:27 +0000
                                                    Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:57 +0000
                                                      Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:07 +0100
                                                        Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:32 +0000
                                                      Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-28 17:01 +0100
                                        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 17:50 +0100
                                        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-28 18:18 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2026-10-28 23:28 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:11 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-29 00:46 +0000
                                              Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:36 -0400
                                                Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 09:13 -0700
                                                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-29 18:13 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 04:00 -0400
                                            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 17:37 +0000
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                                              Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:18 +0100
                                                Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 21:40 +0000
                                                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:58 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-30 15:14 +0000
                                                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 00:09 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 04:33 +0000
                                                      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 11:10 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 17:52 +0000
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                                                      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
                                                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 18:26 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
                                                      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 20:12 +0000
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                                                      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:38 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:30 -0500
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                                                            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:13 +0000
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                                                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:49 +0100
                                                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 16:42 +0100
                                                      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 20:08 +0100
                                                        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 21:20 +0100
                                                          Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:19 +0100
                                                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-31 18:42 +0000
                                                  Re: [OT] Punch card times "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:57 +0100
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                                              Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:48 +0000
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#94887 — Re: Internal navigation in the online manual

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-11-01 13:03 +0100
SubjectRe: Internal navigation in the online manual
Message-ID<nkoo50Fp0edU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#94873
On 2026-11-01 02:08, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-10-31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-31 16:57, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-31 11:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Talking of manuals, I find large man pages very difficult to use,
>>>> specially when you need something specific. No clickable table of
>>>> content, no clickable index. Info pages are somewhat better.
>>>
>>> I agree with you on the _horrendous large_ 'man' "pages".
>>> They shouldn't replace exhaustive and thorough documentation, IMO.
>>> But worse I think are the ("maneuverable") 'info' pages.
>>> Or the habit of some "Unixes" to have no man-page information but
>>> only a stub with the hint to look into the (IMO horrendous) 'info'
>>> pages. (I'm aware that some certainly prefer them; how else would
>>> their proliferation be otherwise explainable.)
>>>
>>> Concerning "clickable" information generally, mind the time when
>>> man-pages were introduced!
>>
>> Yes, I understand that. Isn't time we get something better?
> 
> A question is how much of that is already possible using the current
> format.
> 
> And another question is whether the current format, which could easily
> be printed besides being installed as an online manual, does make for
> better documentation to read than something focused on having more
> internal references.

Printed documentation did have indexes and tables of content, with page 
numbers, so that you could find where something was in the paper.

As to printing man pages, well.. I can't store that much paper any more.




-- 
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#94881 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromAndreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de>
Date2026-11-01 10:58 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<87se1krhy7.fsf@eder.anydns.info>
In reply to#94859
On Sa 31 Okt 2026 at 19:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-10-31 16:57, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>> On 2026-10-31 11:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>> Talking of manuals, I find large man pages very difficult to use, specially
>>> when you need something specific. No clickable table of content, no
>>> clickable index. Info pages are somewhat better.
>> I agree with you on the _horrendous large_ 'man' "pages".
>> They shouldn't replace exhaustive and thorough documentation, IMO.
>> But worse I think are the ("maneuverable") 'info' pages.
>> Or the habit of some "Unixes" to have no man-page information but
>> only a stub with the hint to look into the (IMO horrendous) 'info'
>> pages. (I'm aware that some certainly prefer them; how else would
>> their proliferation be otherwise explainable.)
>> Concerning "clickable" information generally, mind the time when
>> man-pages were introduced!
>
> Yes, I understand that. Isn't time we get something better?

Well, Info in Emacs isn't too bad.
Have a look at the Symbolics Lisp Machine Documentation System
Concordia. That was pretty good.

'Andreas
-- 
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#94901 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-11-01 22:27 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<11c8ecu$2cngg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#94881
On Sun, 01 Nov 2026 10:58:56 +0100, Andreas Eder wrote:

> Well, Info in Emacs isn't too bad.

I have these two links in my bookmarks:
<https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/index.html>
<https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/index.html>.

And then of course there’s CTRL/H ...

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#94869 — Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-31 21:57 +0000
SubjectRe: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times)
Message-ID<11c5o96$1f300$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#94832
On Sat, 31 Oct 2026 11:40:12 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Talking of manuals, I find large man pages very difficult to use,
> specially when you need something specific. No clickable table of
> content, no clickable index.

Most man pages are not supposed to be that large. Of course, there
are some exceptions (like bash). For those I think you’ll find the
man page was generated from some other, more navigable form anyway.

For example, if you look at Perl, you will see its documentation is
broken up across a whole series of man pages -- over 200 of them.

(Is that going too far in the other direction, do you think ... ?)

Tip: if you prefer another form, like PDF, it’s quite easy to generate
that from any man page. I used to use a somewhat convoluted command
for this, but it turns the usual Linux “man” command has an option to
directly choose the output format, e.g. view a man page directly in
typeset form without saving it to a file:

    man -Tpdf 7 unix | okular - &

(Substitute your choice of favourite PDF reader.)

> Info pages are somewhat better.

I have tried info pages a few times, but always found them awkward to
navigate. I’ve never heard of anybody who liked them.

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#94888 — Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times)

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-11-01 13:07 +0100
SubjectRe: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times)
Message-ID<nkoobdFp0edU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#94869
On 2026-10-31 22:57, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2026 11:40:12 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> Talking of manuals, I find large man pages very difficult to use,
>> specially when you need something specific. No clickable table of
>> content, no clickable index.
> 
> Most man pages are not supposed to be that large. Of course, there
> are some exceptions (like bash). For those I think you’ll find the
> man page was generated from some other, more navigable form anyway.
> 
> For example, if you look at Perl, you will see its documentation is
> broken up across a whole series of man pages -- over 200 of them.
> 
> (Is that going too far in the other direction, do you think ... ?)
> 
> Tip: if you prefer another form, like PDF, it’s quite easy to generate
> that from any man page. I used to use a somewhat convoluted command
> for this, but it turns the usual Linux “man” command has an option to
> directly choose the output format, e.g. view a man page directly in
> typeset form without saving it to a file:

PDF is fine, but not if the source is a man page, because there are no 
cross references that you can click or tap; ditto table of contents and 
index.

> 
>      man -Tpdf 7 unix | okular - &
> 
> (Substitute your choice of favourite PDF reader.)
> 
>> Info pages are somewhat better.
> 
> I have tried info pages a few times, but always found them awkward to
> navigate. I’ve never heard of anybody who liked them.

Try "pinfo" as navigator instead.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#94903 — Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-11-01 22:32 +0000
SubjectRe: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times)
Message-ID<11c8em3$2cngg$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#94888
On Sun, 1 Nov 2026 13:07:09 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-10-31 22:57, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> Tip: if you prefer another form, like PDF, it’s quite easy to
>> generate that from any man page.
>
> PDF is fine, but not if the source is a man page, because there are
> no cross references that you can click or tap ...

Actually, you *can* include URLs in the source markup, and the PDF
version will make them clickable.

> ... ditto table of contents and index.

Yeah, they‘re not (normally) supposed to be long enough to need that
...

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#94899 — Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
SubjectRe: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times)
Message-ID<uAMFS.70976$%ZO1.29248@fx13.iad>
In reply to#94869
On 2026-10-31, Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 31 Oct 2026 21:57:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> 
>> For example, if you look at Perl, you will see its documentation is
>> broken up across a whole series of man pages -- over 200 of them.
>> 
>> (Is that going too far in the other direction, do you think ... ?)
>> 
>
> The record for the number of man pages has to be openssl.
>
> Here is the list on my Gentoo system.  Don't bother counting.

<list snipped>

TL;DR  :-)

-- 
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\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#94744 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromJosef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-28 17:01 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<nkekj8F5jptU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#94728
On 28.10.26 01:12, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 2026-10-27 17:24, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/27/26 00:01, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>    The SysLord had a serial terminal, but all
>>    the rest of us had to do cards.
> 
> I started with punch cards and switched early to a
> terminal.

Ah ... yes ... The Olde Times ;-)
I started studying CS in 1977 (after two years trying my luck at EE). 
Indeed, we too had to use punched cards in the beginning.

> (Frankly, the cards had an advantage; the terminal
> made us stay constantly in front of it; write code,
> make some changes/fixes, compile, rinse repeat.
> With the cards we spent time beforehand designing
> the code, seeing and fixing all errors in one turn.
> It turned out to be, WRT net-time, more efficient.
> But, OTOH, fixing a punching mistake was more time
> consuming; needed a lot discipline and attention.)

100% +1! Think twice before punching.

I had been told once that IBM developers did not have a compiler or such 
at their disposal but only a text editor, so they, too, had to think 
twice before committing their code.

> 
>>
>>>
>>> PS: The nastiest thing I've encountered with the
>>> card deck was that a friend exchanged all my cards
>>> which carried the word 'BEGIN' with cards carrying
>>> the word 'SADAT' - just as a hilarious play with
>>> words WRT two international politicians back then.
>>> Not so funny for me when I noticed all the syntax
>>> errors and had to wait another hour for the next
>>> batch run.
>>
>>    Admit it, was a CLEVER joke !
> 
> (I can't tell you how pissed I was at that moment!)
> 
> But, with some distance, it was a marvellous prank.
> (That's why I still remember it after 40+ years.)
> 
> He was all like that. Sadly he died extremely young.
> 
>>
>>    SADAT ... do, but barely, remember it now.
> 
> (I do recall his name only because of that joke.)

This is SOOO funny! At that time I myself had put a note on the wall 
stating that with the developments then the keyword BEGIN should be 
replaced by SADAT.

I'm 70 now, retired 4 years ago.

Josef

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#94745 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2026-10-28 17:50 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<11bt94v$139ta$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#94744
On 2026-10-28 17:01, Josef Möllers wrote:
> [...]
> 
> I had been told once that IBM developers did not have a compiler or such 
> at their disposal but only a text editor, so they, too, had to think 
> twice before committing their code.

This almost sounds like the joke where the editor was actually just
the 'cat' command. :-)

>>>> PS: The nastiest thing I've encountered with the
>>>> card deck was that a friend exchanged all my cards
>>>> which carried the word 'BEGIN' with cards carrying
>>>> the word 'SADAT' - just as a hilarious play with
>>>> words WRT two international politicians back then.
>>>> Not so funny for me when I noticed all the syntax
>>>> errors and had to wait another hour for the next
>>>> batch run.
>>>
>>>    Admit it, was a CLEVER joke !
>>
>> (I can't tell you how pissed I was at that moment!)
>>
>> But, with some distance, it was a marvellous prank.
>> (That's why I still remember it after 40+ years.)
>>
>> He was all like that. Sadly he died extremely young.
>>
>>>
>>>    SADAT ... do, but barely, remember it now.
>>
>> (I do recall his name only because of that joke.)
> 
> This is SOOO funny! At that time I myself had put a note on the wall 
> stating that with the developments then the keyword BEGIN should be 
> replaced by SADAT.

Wow, what coincidence! :-)

> 
> I'm 70 now, retired 4 years ago.
> 
> Josef

Janis, retired (hopefully only physically) as well

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#94749 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-28 18:18 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<nkesjgF6rc9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#94744
On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 17:01:44 +0100, Josef Möllers wrote:

> Ah ... yes ... The Olde Times ;-)
> I started studying CS in 1977 (after two years trying my luck at EE).
> Indeed, we too had to use punched cards in the beginning.

The IBM 2260 terminal came out in 1964 but I didn't see one until I 
interviewed with IBM/Owego in 1968. If there were any in the college they 
were buried in a cave. 

I didn't get the job. IBM found my programming aptitude questionable. 

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#94757 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromDavid LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com>
Date2026-10-28 23:28 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<XnsB4F3C606CC1B5hueydlltampabayrrcom@157.180.91.226>
In reply to#94749
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in news:nkesjgF6rc9U1
@mid.individual.net:

> On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 17:01:44 +0100, Josef Möllers wrote:
> 
>> Ah ... yes ... The Olde Times ;-)
>> I started studying CS in 1977 (after two years trying my luck at EE).
>> Indeed, we too had to use punched cards in the beginning.
> 
> The IBM 2260 terminal came out in 1964 but I didn't see one until I 
> interviewed with IBM/Owego in 1968. If there were any in the college they 
> were buried in a cave. 
> 
> I didn't get the job. IBM found my programming aptitude questionable. 

I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards and later 
with terminals as they became available around campus.  I agree that cards 
or anything low tech makes the developer first think about what they want 
to build and then do so.

I had a slight advantage by the time my parents let me take college level 
computing with a friend at high school.  I started on paper with imaginary 
simple computers via a Saturday morning show on PBS or more likely WGN 
Chicago.  That was much earlier in my life, perhaps Junior High when I was 
also in an elective class to earn my Amateur Radio Novice Licence.  Upon 
earning that and quickly moving to Technician, I became a member of the 
local ARRL Club.  There I met all kinds of electricians, radio and antenna 
experts, and one Advanced class leader with his own antenna farm on his 
farm.  He was doing moon bounce and slow scan TV.  He showed me his latest 
project -- a home built Z80 Computer that booted by flipping switches to 
input the very tiny OS or a simple program.  Now that really helped me form 
my programming and diagnostic capabilities.

Thankfully all the Hams and teachers I met over the years were eager to 
share their knowledge.  I loved teachers from any class that would go 
outside the curriculum and teach students outside class too.  I hated 
students that would interupt a teacher with a question like "Is that going 
to be on the test?".

I loved great teachers and quickly exited the few classes with poor 
teachers.

Starting early classes on any subject with "low tech" helps form the 
student's mind.

Ah the memories of a life well lived.

Thank you to all the teachers who helped us form our minds!

P.S. During those first years on cards for FORTRAN and COBOL a friend and  
I "competed" for solving programs with the least lines, comments excluded.

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#94760 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-29 00:11 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<nkfha4F6rc9U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#94757
On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 23:28:12 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote:

>  That was much earlier in my life, perhaps Junior High when I was
> also in an elective class to earn my Amateur Radio Novice Licence.  Upon
> earning that and quickly moving to Technician, I became a member of the
> local ARRL Club.  There I met all kinds of electricians, radio and
> antenna experts, and one Advanced class leader with his own antenna farm
> on his farm.  He was doing moon bounce and slow scan TV.  He showed me
> his latest project -- a home built Z80 Computer that booted by flipping
> switches to input the very tiny OS or a simple program.  Now that really
> helped me form my programming and diagnostic capabilities.

The Sputnik launch awakened interest in STEM subjects but computers were 
exotic critters when I was in high school. The IBM System 360/30 was 
released in 1964. RPI had close ties with IBM and iirc had one by 1965. 
That's what I learned FORTRAN IV on. The Z80 was way in the future.

I did eventually get a Amateur Radio license. I'm stubborn enough to keep 
my Advanced license.  They ain't making them anymore but if you had one 
you could keep it. I wasn't that great with code so I never tried for 
Extra. 

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#94764 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-29 00:46 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<11bu51q$2u4ci$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#94757
On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 23:28:12 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote:

> I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards
> and later with terminals as they became available around campus. I
> agree that cards or anything low tech makes the developer first
> think about what they want to build and then do so.

Imagine if your calculator was like that: you had to think carefully
what you wanted to do, and write it down on a coding form or
something, before simply switching the thing on and punching buttons
...

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#94767 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-28 22:36 -0400
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<mIKdndv348emLH_3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#94764
On 10/28/26 20:46, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 23:28:12 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote:
> 
>> I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards
>> and later with terminals as they became available around campus. I
>> agree that cards or anything low tech makes the developer first
>> think about what they want to build and then do so.
> 
> Imagine if your calculator was like that: you had to think carefully
> what you wanted to do, and write it down on a coding form or
> something, before simply switching the thing on and punching buttons
> ...

   Well ... THAT'S HOW IT WAS not ALL so long ago.

   Get it right the FIRST time, or SUFFER.

   That plus minimal memory/storage ensured
   good quality, tight, code.

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#94773 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-29 09:13 -0700
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<20261029091314.0000126b@gmail.com>
In reply to#94767
On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 22:36:37 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> Well ... THAT'S HOW IT WAS not ALL so long ago.
> 
> Get it right the FIRST time, or SUFFER.
> 
> That plus minimal memory/storage ensured good quality, tight, code.

:s/ensured/encouraged/

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#94777 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-29 18:13 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<W0MES.44500$lAb6.5817@fx07.iad>
In reply to#94773
On 2026-10-29, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 22:36:37 -0400
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>
>> Well ... THAT'S HOW IT WAS not ALL so long ago.
>> 
>> Get it right the FIRST time, or SUFFER.
>> 
>> That plus minimal memory/storage ensured good quality, tight, code.
>
>:s/ensured/encouraged/

It also encouraged efficient, logical, consistent system design.
There just weren't the resources to implement the kinds of cruft
that seems to be mandatory these days.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#94798 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-30 04:00 -0400
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<MgSdnZ8ls44203n3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#94777
On 10/29/26 14:13, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-29, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 22:36:37 -0400
>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Well ... THAT'S HOW IT WAS not ALL so long ago.
>>>
>>> Get it right the FIRST time, or SUFFER.
>>>
>>> That plus minimal memory/storage ensured good quality, tight, code.
>>
>> :s/ensured/encouraged/
> 
> It also encouraged efficient, logical, consistent system design.
> There just weren't the resources to implement the kinds of cruft
> that seems to be mandatory these days.

   WILL still stick to my long-time rec that all
   'computer' students START on micro-controllers.
   Teaches efficiency, exact crafting, some hint
   of the underlying electronics.

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#94778 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromChristian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de>
Date2026-10-29 17:37 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<slrn11e712j.1hu2.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>
In reply to#94757
On 2026-10-28, David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards and later 
> with terminals as they became available around campus.

For those of us too young: When exactly did terminals become common
on university campuses?  Please be more specific than "the 1980s".

-- 
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber                          naddy@mips.inka.de

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#94781 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

FromKaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com>
Date2026-10-29 20:01 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<20261029124542.471@kylheku.com>
In reply to#94778
On 2026-10-29, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
> On 2026-10-28, David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards and later 
>> with terminals as they became available around campus.
>
> For those of us too young: When exactly did terminals become common
> on university campuses?  Please be more specific than "the 1980s".

By January 1st, 1979, 87.395% of all university access methods to
computers were interactive visual terminals rather than TTYs or other.
(With a 95% confidence interval of +/- 0.003% based on the polled
sample size.)

A coordinated mass conversion, to visual terminals, of all remaining
teletype and other non-visual terminals attached to legacy time sharing
systems, at all university campuses around the world, took place on
September 13, 1983, now remembered as "T day".

Engineering students in New York celebrated by suspending a chain of
seven key punch machines from the Brooklyn Bridge.

-- 
TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr
Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca

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#94782 — Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-29 21:18 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)
Message-ID<damcrmx02i.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#94778
On 2026-10-29 18:37, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2026-10-28, David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards and later
>> with terminals as they became available around campus.
> 
> For those of us too young: When exactly did terminals become common
> on university campuses?  Please be more specific than "the 1980s".
> 

Depends on the country and the uni. Even depends on the department.

I think I saw it in 1983, but there were departments that had terminals 
earlier.

Maybe what counts is the department that teaches programming to students 
buys the terminals, which is an important investment.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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