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| Started by | ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) |
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| First post | 2021-08-30 18:22 -0500 |
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Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-08-30 18:22 -0500
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2021-08-31 00:14 +0000
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-30 17:57 -0700
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 04:39 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-31 15:19 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 14:34 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-31 16:16 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 15:47 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-31 18:54 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 17:59 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-31 11:52 -0700
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-01 04:21 +0000
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 01:07 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-08-31 11:01 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 11:01 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-01 11:07 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-01 07:55 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-01 13:10 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-01 23:58 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-02 13:04 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 01:56 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-03 08:44 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-03 11:22 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-04 00:31 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-04 10:56 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-09-04 11:44 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-04 08:04 -0700
OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Rinaldi <rm@nunya.inv> - 2021-09-04 10:28 -0500
Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-04 08:41 -0700
Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-04 18:33 +0100
Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 00:53 -0400
Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-09-05 08:57 +0200
Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 12:12 -0400
Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:01 -0400
Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-04 08:42 -0700
Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-04 08:45 -0700
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-04 18:32 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-03 19:51 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 23:48 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-04 08:44 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 00:07 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 08:16 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:36 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 12:50 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:33 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-04 11:22 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-09-04 11:46 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-04 17:47 +0000
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:35 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 19:34 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-06 02:14 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:43 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:45 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-07 01:54 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-07 08:44 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-08 01:36 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 07:46 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-09 01:53 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-09 07:41 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-10 01:52 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 08:46 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 10:57 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 12:12 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 13:06 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-08 13:29 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-08 14:17 +0300
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-09 02:04 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-09 07:46 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-10 02:51 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-10 09:49 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-11 02:03 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-11 07:19 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-11 08:32 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-12 00:17 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-12 09:09 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-12 23:43 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-12 11:33 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-06 11:08 +0300
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 09:24 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-06 12:38 +0300
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 12:21 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-07 02:20 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 11:39 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 12:22 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-02 09:29 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-02 09:48 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-01 23:32 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-02 09:30 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 00:04 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-04 17:58 +0000
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 00:22 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-08-31 10:59 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:46 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:50 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:57 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-09-01 11:09 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-01 10:42 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-01 13:47 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-04 18:09 +0000
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-31 06:04 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 11:42 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2021-09-14 22:42 -0400
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 08:02 +0000
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 01:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <B5GdnbwBlaFrJaz8nZ2dnUU7-WHNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33067 |
On 9/2/21 7:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 02/09/2021 05.58, SixOverFive wrote: > > ... > >> I *disable* vi ... replace it with a symlink to nano >> and (horrors !) I actually edit sudoers WITHOUT using >> visudo !!! Geez, may as well still use edlin to write >> documents in Winders. "Electric Pencil" - HERESY ! > > This is the wrong way to do it. Oddly, no ... > Just define the environment var "EDITOR" > > EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano > > And then visudo will use nano transparently. And many other tools that > use an editor. I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful system. I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see 'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously messed-up 'thinking' involved here ..... So .... no vi AT ALL. Verboten. Banished. Mark the symlink so nobody can change it ... also a good trick for 'thumbnails' folders and certain other caches, esp Mozilla products, like to make. Kinda sorta possibly maybe made sense in the days of 300-baud dial-up, but NOW it's just de-facto spyware for the spooks and far worse to exploit. It IS possible to engineer symlinks to /dev/null or a temp FS/ramdisk too. A few apps will cry, wah-wah-wah, but screw 'em. The latest box I installed has FIVE common cache repositories redirected to a RAM FS *and* cron/systemd routines that flush a couple more every few minutes. Ever see that cute movie "Sonic Hedgehog" ? One threat issued there was to expose browser history. SO, no browser histories or any other pointless caches. The client wasn't worried about porn though, more like banking/db-related login screens and confidential employee info. They pay, I make it real. It's a lot easier to make a sanitary system in Linux than in Winders though. Winders scatters pointless records all OVER the place .... part of why it's EVIL. Oh, check your network maps in Winders ... there is a little box in properties ... seems Winders likes to "index" EVERYTHING on your network shares to "facilitate searches". Turn it OFF - but it WILL likely take two or three HOURS to get rid of all those indexes. WHY does MS really want to index your network shares ... well ... guess .... 'NotePad' appeared in Winders *2* by the way. I found that out today when I installed Win-2 in a dos VM. Win2 was a VERY long time ago - no more edlin BS. Before that I'd even written something a lot LIKE NotePad in assembler (I was young and thus it was fun). Heavy use of IBM ROM-BIOS routines made the code reasonably small. Won't really run now though ... Ah, wrote that on a Sanyo-550 clone PC. Affordable and had much better graphics than real IBMs. Alas the video was NOT directly mappable/compatible and I needed fully CGA compatible at the time. They DID offer an expensive ISA card though that WAS compatible ... jumper wires WERE required .... MAY still have the Sanyo in a storage shed somewhere. I wonder if it'll still boot .... ? Think I moved everything over to DS/quad-density 5 1/4s though ... still have the "Elephant Memory Systems" sticker stuck on a wall. Tried Win-1 but VirtualBox couldn't handle the video - just garbage characters - plus Win-1 could not understand PS/2 mice. SOMEWHERE I have Win-1 install floppies - an old boss bought it, and tossed it a few days later - but I rescued it from the trash. Prescient I guess. Win-2 DOES work though, in its horribly crude way. Win3.11 was indeed "evolutionary" ... but that makes it less fun somehow ... hell, with a few add-ons you could network, even internet, with Win3.11. Remember LANTASTIC - ruined Novell and its $$$ rip-offs. Oh, in case you wanna try, Win-1/2 are NOT "systems' per-se, you install DOS2-5 and then install Win IN them as ordinary apps.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 08:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sgsg99$776$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #33073 |
SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: > I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have > set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more > than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just > KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful > system. Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the correct places, will survive updates. > I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see > 'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being > used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously > messed-up 'thinking' involved here ..... That's a matter of style. I switched over from an emacs-type editor to vi at the young age of 49 and I have increased my productivity since then. [two screenful of horrible system administration practice removed] -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 11:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <b3690ixr19.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor> |
| In reply to | #33075 |
On 03/09/2021 08.44, Marc Haber wrote:
> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have
>> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more
>> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just
>> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful
>> system.
>
> Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to
> peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the
> correct places, will survive updates.
Certainly.
>
>> I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see
>> 'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being
>> used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously
>> messed-up 'thinking' involved here .....
>
> That's a matter of style. I switched over from an emacs-type editor to
> vi at the young age of 49 and I have increased my productivity since
> then.
Besides, vi is not similar to edlin. It is "ed" which is similar to edlin.
>
> [two screenful of horrible system administration practice removed]
>
Thanks :-)
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 00:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j_idncLDbqcEa6_8nZ2dnUU7-IvNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33079 |
On 9/3/21 5:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 03/09/2021 08.44, Marc Haber wrote: >> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have >>> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more >>> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just >>> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful >>> system. >> >> Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to >> peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the >> correct places, will survive updates. > > Certainly. Sometimes you can brute-force certain tweaks by abusing permissions. It's easier. >> >>> I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see >>> 'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being >>> used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously >>> messed-up 'thinking' involved here ..... >> >> That's a matter of style. I switched over from an emacs-type editor to >> vi at the young age of 49 and I have increased my productivity since >> then. > > Besides, vi is not similar to edlin. It is "ed" which is similar to edlin. > >> >> [two screenful of horrible system administration practice removed], >> > > Thanks :-) > Horrible ? Maybe. BUT if I want systems to boss me around I'll use Win or IOS. I've always been a utilitarian, not an ideologist or worshiping supplicant on my knees. Screw all Grand Schemes - I want systems/software that will do what *I* want the WAY *I* want. "Go with the flow" ? I've seen "the flow" dribble into the sewer drain too often, stuff NEVER gets done .... Which means I *have it done* while everybody else is still in the study/planning/meetings stage. People WILL pay for that too - they just want "X" to work YESTERDAY. I've made about a 40 year career on "getting it done YESTERDAY" and very few complaints thereafter. I can put experience from PDP-11s to microcontrollers to C64s to DOS and UNIX even gawdawful Winders to work solving THE problem of the day. Sometimes the "brutal" approach really IS the best fix, the best fix to some MS or IX designers "vision" that's GETTING IN THE WAY. Sabotaging "visions" has always kinda been my special power. So that's where I am coming from. Others may have different "visions" - all power to you - but maybe I'll be stealing some of your job security. Dirty (PC) Jobs, Done (almost) Dirt Cheap" :-) It's a niche. Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ... some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ...........
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 10:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sgvcbo$d16$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #33091 |
SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >On 9/3/21 5:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 03/09/2021 08.44, Marc Haber wrote: >>> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>>> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have >>>> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more >>>> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just >>>> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful >>>> system. >>> >>> Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to >>> peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the >>> correct places, will survive updates. >> >> Certainly. > > Sometimes you can brute-force certain tweaks by abusing > permissions. It's easier. It is a horrible idea to work against everything what the smart people who devised your operating system have come up with. Only Idiots do that. -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 11:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sgvf66$q3l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33091 |
Am 04.09.21 um 06:31 schrieb SixOverFive: > Horrible ? Maybe. BUT if I want systems to boss me around > I'll use Win or IOS. > > I've always been a utilitarian, not an ideologist or worshiping > supplicant on my knees. Screw all Grand Schemes - I want > systems/software that will do what *I* want the WAY *I* want. > "Go with the flow" ? I've seen "the flow" dribble into the > sewer drain too often, stuff NEVER gets done .... > > Which means I *have it done* while everybody else is still > in the study/planning/meetings stage. People WILL pay for that > too - they just want "X" to work YESTERDAY. I've made about > a 40 year career on "getting it done YESTERDAY" and very few > complaints thereafter. I can put experience from PDP-11s to > microcontrollers to C64s to DOS and UNIX even gawdawful Winders > to work solving THE problem of the day. Sometimes the "brutal" > approach really IS the best fix, the best fix to some MS > or IX designers "vision" that's GETTING IN THE WAY. Sabotaging > "visions" has always kinda been my special power. > > So that's where I am coming from. Tja. On a productive system that is absolutely insane. *ROTFLSTC* -- De gustibus non est disputandum
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 08:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sh01to$h9e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33091 |
On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote: snipp/ > > It's a niche. > > Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ... > some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree > in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from > a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something > like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about > SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ........... Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls beneath the encroaching waters. Somewhere inland would be better and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be made of. -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | Rinaldi <rm@nunya.inv> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 10:28 -0500 |
| Subject | OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Message-ID | <a631cba5-9381-bc1e-2c8c-90f8a8a52eb5@invalid.com> |
| In reply to | #33100 |
On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote: > > snipp/ >> >> It's a niche. >> >> Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ... >> some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree >> in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from >> a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something >> like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about >> SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ........... > > Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls > beneath the encroaching waters. Somewhere inland would be better > and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be > made of. > > I hope that was tongue in cheek. In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl east coast, 8 feet above sea level. Today still 8 feet above. Miami is sinking because it was built on recovered swampland. Don't believe the hype. Rinaldi
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 08:41 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Message-ID | <18cd1ee3-76a9-c0e0-b77a-7b59f658a12d@mouse-potato.com> |
| In reply to | #33102 |
On 9/4/21 08:28, Rinaldi wrote: > On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote: >> >> snipp/ >>> >>> It's a niche. >>> >>> Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ... >>> some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree >>> in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from >>> a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something >>> like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about >>> SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ........... >> >> Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls >> beneath the encroaching waters. Somewhere inland would be better >> and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be >> made of. >> >> > > I hope that was tongue in cheek. In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl > east coast, 8 feet above sea level. Today still 8 feet above. Miami is > sinking because it was built on recovered swampland. Don't believe the > hype. > > Rinaldi Keep up on the news. New York City lost people in basement apartments. The Oceans are rising, And the first hint will be when a heavy rain hits and the water has no place to go. Miami may be sinking, but the Gulf and Atlantic waters are rising as well. The oceans are rising because they are pissed at all the crap and plastic we fill them with and of course the Carbon Dioxide and methane in our atmosphere our energy crap if you will. The Ice on Greenland and on Antarctica is melting and coming for us all. The limestone of Florida and a good many other limey places is going to dissolve in the acidulated Oceans. As to what that may do to sea life and when salt intrudes into Fresh water habitats so long to Salmon and Dugongs. bliss - 'Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.' After all here We are... -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 18:33 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Message-ID | <sh0alm$cp1$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33103 |
On 04/09/2021 16:41, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 9/4/21 08:28, Rinaldi wrote: >> On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote: >>> >>> snipp/ >>>> >>>> It's a niche. >>>> >>>> Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ... >>>> some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree >>>> in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from >>>> a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something >>>> like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about >>>> SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ........... >>> >>> Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls >>> beneath the encroaching waters. Somewhere inland would be better >>> and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be >>> made of. >>> >>> >> >> I hope that was tongue in cheek. In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl >> east coast, 8 feet above sea level. Today still 8 feet above. Miami >> is sinking because it was built on recovered swampland. Don't believe >> the hype. >> >> Rinaldi > > Keep up on the news. New York City lost people in basement > apartments. The Oceans are rising, And the first hint will be when > a heavy rain hits and the water has no place to go. Miami may be > sinking, but the Gulf and Atlantic waters are rising as well. > > The oceans are rising because they are pissed at all the > crap and plastic we fill them with and of course the Carbon Dioxide > and methane in our atmosphere our energy crap if you will. The > Ice on Greenland and on Antarctica is melting and coming for us all. > > The limestone of Florida and a good many other limey places > is going to dissolve in the acidulated Oceans. > > As to what that may do to sea life and when salt intrudes > into Fresh water habitats so long to Salmon and Dugongs. > > bliss - 'Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.' After all > here We are... > the man who drank the koolaid - and then asked for more. -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 00:53 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Message-ID | <Ubidne4Ts7vD0Kn8nZ2dnUU7-IPNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33103 |
On 9/4/21 11:41 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 9/4/21 08:28, Rinaldi wrote: >> On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote: >>> >>> snipp/ >>>> >>>> It's a niche. >>>> >>>> Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ... >>>> some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree >>>> in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from >>>> a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something >>>> like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about >>>> SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ........... >>> >>> Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls >>> beneath the encroaching waters. Somewhere inland would be better >>> and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be >>> made of. >>> >>> >> >> I hope that was tongue in cheek. In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl >> east coast, 8 feet above sea level. Today still 8 feet above. Miami >> is sinking because it was built on recovered swampland. Don't believe >> the hype. >> >> Rinaldi > > Keep up on the news. New York City lost people in basement > apartments. The Oceans are rising, And the first hint will be when > a heavy rain hits and the water has no place to go. Miami may be > sinking, but the Gulf and Atlantic waters are rising as well. > > The oceans are rising because they are pissed at all the > crap and plastic we fill them with and of course the Carbon Dioxide > and methane in our atmosphere our energy crap if you will. The > Ice on Greenland and on Antarctica is melting and coming for us all. > > The limestone of Florida and a good many other limey places > is going to dissolve in the acidulated Oceans. > > As to what that may do to sea life and when salt intrudeugs > into Fresh water habitats so long to Salmon and Dugongs. > > bliss - 'Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.' After all > here We are... > Florida is not going under for centuries. One asteroid hit or volcanic event and it'll be the Big Freeze again and you could WALK from Miami to Grand Bahama. The climate has NEVER been stable. But don't invest heavily in a 70s/80s beachfront condo. Went diving in a Florida sink hole once though - full cavers rig. The "rock" down there like swiss cheese with more "Swiss" than "cheese" - really, not kidding. "Rock foam" is all that's holding up Orlando. As for rising water, that's what a HOUSE-BOAT is for :-) Scraggly potted palm tree on the poop deck. Hmmm - I wonder what a basic 80' utility barge costs ? Could make one hell of a houseboat out of one ..
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 08:57 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Message-ID | <sh1ppd$i31$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33113 |
Am 05.09.21 um 06:53 schrieb SixOverFive: > Florida is not going under for centuries. > > One asteroid hit or volcanic event and it'll be the > Big Freeze again and you could WALK from Miami to > Grand Bahama. The climate has NEVER been stable. And ignorant and stupid idiots and Trolls never died out whether it was freezing cold or boiling hot. *SCNR* -- De gustibus non est disputandum
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 12:12 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Message-ID | <87o897ovbg.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #33117 |
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 08:57:49 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote: > > Am 05.09.21 um 06:53 schrieb SixOverFive: >> Florida is not going under for centuries. >> >> One asteroid hit or volcanic event and it'll be the >> Big Freeze again and you could WALK from Miami to >> Grand Bahama. The climate has NEVER been stable. > > And ignorant and stupid idiots and Trolls never died out whether it was > freezing cold or boiling hot. > *SCNR* Like in the event of earthquakes which more or less completely destroyed small (Italian) villages several times in a millennium. History knows about half a dozen events. But no, "Lets rebuild our village again" - at the exact same location. -- Andreas
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 20:01 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Message-ID | <q_CdnX8q3bD2x6j8nZ2dnUU7-WHNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33136 |
On 9/5/21 12:12 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 08:57:49 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote: >> >> Am 05.09.21 um 06:53 schrieb SixOverFive: >>> Florida is not going under for centuries. >>> >>> One asteroid hit or volcanic event and it'll be the >>> Big Freeze again and you could WALK from Miami to >>> Grand Bahama. The climate has NEVER been stable. >> >> And ignorant and stupid idiots and Trolls never died out whether it was >> freezing cold or boiling hot. >> *SCNR* > > Like in the event of earthquakes which more or less completely destroyed > small (Italian) villages several times in a millennium. History knows > about half a dozen events. But no, "Lets rebuild our village again" - at > the exact same location. Uh huh - see it all the time. They want to rebuild those little towns down where the hurricane came in last week too. Guess what happens NEXT year or the year after .... One of the WORST cases you can easily see in Google Maps or Earth. Tune in to Naples Italy - and note where Mt. Vesuvius is. Anyway, FORGET "stable" when it comes to Nature. Some places are "more stable", but nowhere always stays the same. The end of the ice age re-arranged oceans, and spawned vast deserts too. The Sahara used to be GREEN, trees, grasslands, a land-o-lakes. The only remaining artifact is Lake Chad. 12-15ky ago "stable" became unstable and there weren't even any SUVs ! I also like the news hypes saying "This is the worst storm/flood/ drought/heat-wave/etc SINCE 1833 so it MUST be "Climate Change". Well, where the SUVs in 1833, they'd barely built any trains back then. As they say, "If it bleeds, it leads" - and fact or sense or context or perspective will NOT stand in the way. I do think human activities ARE speeding up some kinds of "change" - but how MUCH, to what DEGREE, isn't usefully clear. A few fanatics actually seem to want to kill off 95+ percent of the humans in order to "save the earth". Hey, WE'RE part of "the earth" too ! Which all goes back to the observation about "models". I think the term "butterfly effect" came out of doing climate models. THE problem is the "white-coat effect". Put garbage into your shiny new expensive "model" and get garbage out - but going through the new shiny expensive "model" makes it LOOK like good "science", a sure-enough Truth. Might be safer to just flip coins to decide future policy initiatives. At least the coins aren't unconsciously biased ...
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 08:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Message-ID | <d962337e-26e9-e82b-daa7-0fe3afd1f3db@mouse-potato.com> |
| In reply to | #33102 |
On 9/4/21 08:28, Rinaldi wrote: > On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote: >> >> snipp/ >>> >>> It's a niche. >>> >>> Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ... >>> some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree >>> in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from >>> a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something >>> like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about >>> SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ........... >> >> Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls >> beneath the encroaching waters. Somewhere inland would be better >> and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be >> made of. >> >> > > I hope that was tongue in cheek. In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl > east coast, 8 feet above sea level. Today still 8 feet above. Miami is > sinking because it was built on recovered swampland. Don't believe the > hype. > > Rinaldi Keep up on the news. New York City lost people in basement apartments. The Oceans are rising, And the first hint will be when a heavy rain hits and the water has no place to go. Miami may be sinking, but the Gulf and Atlantic waters are rising as well. The oceans are rising because they are pissed at all the crap and plastic we fill them with and of course the Carbon Dioxide and methane in our atmosphere our energy crap if you will. The Ice on Greenland and on Antarctica is melting and coming for us all. The limestone of Florida and a good many other limey places is going to dissolve in the acidulated Oceans. As to what that may do to sea life and when salt intrudes into Fresh water habitats so long to Salmon and Dugongs. bliss - 'Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.' After all here We are... -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 08:45 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Message-ID | <sh04ab$2qj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33102 |
On 9/4/21 08:28, Rinaldi wrote: > On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote: >> > [snip] >>> >>> It's a niche. >>> >>> Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ... >>> some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree >>> in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from >>> a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something >>> like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about >>> SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ........... >> >> Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls >> beneath the encroaching waters. Somewhere inland would be better >> and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be >> made of. >> >> > > I hope that was tongue in cheek. In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl > east coast, 8 feet above sea level. Today still 8 feet above. Miami is > sinking because it was built on recovered swampland. Don't believe the > hype. > > Rinaldi Keep up on the news. New York City lost people in basement apartments. The Oceans are rising, And the first hint will be when a heavy rain hits and the water has no place to go. Miami may be sinking, but the Gulf and Atlantic waters are rising as well. The oceans are rising because they are pissed at all the crap and plastic we fill them with and of course the Carbon Dioxide and methane in our atmosphere our energy crap if you will. The Ice on Greenland and on Antarctica is melting and coming for us all. The limestone of Florida and a good many other limey places is going to dissolve in the acidulated Oceans. As to what that may do to sea life and when salt intrudes into Fresh water habitats so long to Salmon and Dugongs. bliss - 'Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.' After all here We are... -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 18:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sh0ajo$cp1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33100 |
On 04/09/2021 16:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote: > > snipp/ >> >> It's a niche. >> >> Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ... >> some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree >> in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from >> a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something >> like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about >> SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ........... > > Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls > beneath the encroaching waters. Somewhere inland would be better > and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be > made of. > > sell your beachside properties below cost to hollywood stars who take private jets to attend climate conferences. THEY will buy them because THEY know man made climate change is 9$% bunk. They are paid to ACT (that's why they are called ACTORS) *as if* its real. -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ...than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 19:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87ilzhqktj.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #33075 |
On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 08:44:57 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have >> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more >> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just >> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful >> system. > > Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to > peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the > correct places, will survive updates. ~/.bash_profile should be a good place. Have several variables set up in that file, and they survived there since years. -- Andreas
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 23:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <9badna8ebY4aca_8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33075 |
On 9/3/21 2:44 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have >> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more >> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just >> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful >> system. > > Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to > peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the > correct places, will survive updates. SOMETIMES though, you can CHEAT. Change the properties of your symlink so even root can't edit/change/replace it. The installer may bitch, but SO WHAT. A backup is to simply make a script you run after updates, one that once again nukes/renames vi and related and replaces them with your symlinks/alternatives. You can even run it at startup so nobody can sneak anything in on you ... Damned systems WILL do what I WANT them to do ... If you like to be bossed-around, use Win/IOS. >> I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see >> 'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being >> used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously >> messed-up 'thinking' involved here ..... > > That's a matter of style. I switched over from an emacs-type editor to > vi at the young age of 49 and I have increased my productivity since > then. > > [two screenful of horrible system administration practice removed] > Try a REAL text editor - Leafpad, Pluma ... your productivity will increase tenfold, your mistakes and fix-up times will decrease tenfold. Even nano beats the snot out of vi/vim and you don't even need a GUI. Look at it this way, the people who WROTE those surely were stuck with vi and worse - and HATED it. So, they crafted IMPROVEMENTS. Stuff HAS happened since Linus had his epiphany after all. In the early DOS days I *hated* edlin, and spent the time writing my own "Notepad Lite" because of it. Maybe WAY back you'd get respect for knowing all the cryptic key sequences to use stuff like vi, but NOW you're just being extremely unproductive. Then there's stuff like Latex ... WHY ??? Load LibreOffice or at least AbiWord. "Progress" EXISTS - use it to make MORE progress. Time didn't stop at Linux v1.0 ... That's my take. Now maybe you're more of a "hobbyist" - in which case unproductivity and such don't really matter. However when you have a boss who wants stuff YESTERDAY you DO go for the newer/quicker methods. Oh, and if you need quick/nice GUI apps, use LAZARUS instead of the GTK/QT and related crap-documented hyper-overcomplicated horrors. The past couple of weeks I've been making VMs of DOS - one DOS6.11 and another of DOS5a - and installing the old-tyme IBM/MS compilers. Hell, even got Win-2 to start up (it's horrible BTW). Now all I need are some cross-compilers, x86->ARM and/or PIC32 and/or ATMEL ... gives me ideas .....
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 08:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87czpohjje.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #33090 |
SixOverFive <hae274c.net> writes: > SOMETIMES though, you can CHEAT. Change the properties of > your symlink so even root can't edit/change/replace it. > The installer may bitch, but SO WHAT. > > A backup is to simply make a script you run after updates, > one that once again nukes/renames vi and related and replaces > them with your symlinks/alternatives. You can even run it > at startup so nobody can sneak anything in on you ... > > Damned systems WILL do what I WANT them to do ... Why do you even have vi installed then? -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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