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| Started by | SixOverFive <hae274b.net> |
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| First post | 2021-08-26 00:34 -0400 |
| Last post | 2021-09-03 02:37 -0400 |
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HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 00:34 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-26 05:05 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 20:57 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:12 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 02:43 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 09:28 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-01 00:13 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-01 08:52 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:29 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:49 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-01 04:21 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-09-09 21:56 +0200
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 10:03 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 20:36 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:08 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 01:32 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-26 12:26 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-08-26 19:49 +0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 21:06 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:58 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-27 13:22 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-27 11:26 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-28 01:22 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-28 09:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 02:08 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-28 12:11 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 01:08 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-29 04:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 23:32 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-30 00:51 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-30 00:06 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-30 14:03 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 01:25 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-01 04:21 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-04 01:37 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-28 09:40 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-28 12:20 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2021-08-29 00:55 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 01:58 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-31 06:16 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-31 23:47 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-01 07:52 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2021-09-02 01:49 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2021-09-02 02:39 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-02 01:29 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-02 01:10 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-02 14:51 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-02 13:25 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-02 21:24 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 03:38 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-03 09:14 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-04 01:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-03 12:13 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-04 01:16 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 03:19 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-03 14:00 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 17:44 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 14:11 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 19:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-03 13:59 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 20:18 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 02:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:47 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-09-05 10:00 -0500
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:16 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-05 12:05 -0400
Re: fine old languages, HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:20 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 23:00 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 16:27 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 18:30 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-08 00:17 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:50 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-06 11:16 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-06 15:04 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2021-09-09 02:04 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 01:40 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:38 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-05 10:49 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 11:22 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:31 +0100
OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:38 +0100
Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 12:15 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-07 22:05 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-05 10:13 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:50 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:18 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 22:38 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 08:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 12:22 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-09-03 19:34 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-03 19:57 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-09-03 08:27 +0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 01:03 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-09-05 15:25 +0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 14:03 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-05 19:27 +0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-06 00:53 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:58 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2021-09-06 12:36 +0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-28 00:44 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 17:51 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-28 01:48 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-28 10:16 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-08-29 00:21 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2021-08-26 19:53 +0200
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 20:33 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:01 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 04:40 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-02 00:15 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-02 06:02 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 02:37 -0400
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-08-31 23:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <v8-dnU5U95snarP8nZ2dnUU7-LnNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33026 |
On 8/31/21 6:16 AM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 01:58:53 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> >> On 08/28/2021 08:55 PM, Allodoxaphobia wrote: >>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 12:20:28 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 09:40:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >>>>> With Wordstar and Supercalc and a dot matrix printer, you were in >>>>> business on two floppy drives - one for programs, one for data, >>>> >>>> I think the first word processor was Electronic Pencil. >>>> "Everything" after are a clones. ;-) >>> heh... >>> I still have WordStar 6.0 running in DosBox on my Ubuntu system. >>> I have it running both for a curiosity exercise and for the ability >>> to print some old, specially crafted PCL files. >>> I'll see if I can drag it along to its half-century mark... >> >> WordStar was OK ... basic, but GOT IT DONE. Just had >> to learn those shortcut commands :-) > > /me hugs the WordStar Diamond > > As I mentioned I love running vintage machines in an emulator I never > owned to relive early micro computer history. For fun I did some word > editing with WordStar on a Osborn I. Its keyboard doesn't has cursor keys > (so the real cursor keys on the host machine have no function when > emulating the Osborn), thus I had to use the "WordStar Diamond" instead. > > Also had to learn the WordStar shortcuts ^K. You could make do nicely with about 10 of them. I'll have to find a WordStar .img file somewhere ... I'm not sure what "vintage" means to YOU. A VIC-20 ? ZX-81 ? TI-994a ? C64 ? Atari ? CoCo ? I bought almost all of those new in the box. Still have the TI ... and the warning about the power supply bursting into flames :-) TI totally *blew* it with that box ... the nice 9900 processor was hardly allowed to DO anything, the programs ran mostly off the GPU. Then they tried to micro-manage/profit off EVERY plug in cartridge which totally put off would-be developers. Cool chip though - had a funky hardware-based approach to multi-user/multi-tasking. BLWP - Branch and Load Workspace Pointer ... I still remember that bit of assembler .... To me, "vintage" would mean an IBM 360/370 or DEC PDP-11 box. Normal humans couldn't buy those mainframes/minis. I always lusted for a Micro-VAX ... saw one, looked kind of like an extra-fat server box ... that powered a place with 100 employees via thin clients and terminals. Word processing, news (even usenet), spreadsheet-like programs, loads of math/statistical stuff, and you could almost seamlessly branch off to other remote systems in their network and beyond. "Connected"/"Big Data" are NOT new concepts - those Dilberts had been doing it from the early 60s and had it down good by the 70s. Oh, got an 80s database program, that hadn't been run since maybe '92, up and going in DosBox-X today. The big trick was finding the proper account names (and getting DBX to "print" to text files). Tons of data to mine now. I'll write a Python program to parse the report texts, turn 'em into CSVs. The minor issue is that the thing REALLY wasn't comfortable with Y2K. The company still exists, but not the product. Their replacement is something like five figures for an average sized company .... yeek !
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-01 07:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87pmtstsvv.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #33043 |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 23:47:05 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: > > On 8/31/21 6:16 AM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 01:58:53 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> >>> WordStar was OK ... basic, but GOT IT DONE. Just had >>> to learn those shortcut commands :-) >> /me hugs the WordStar Diamond >> As I mentioned I love running vintage machines in an emulator I >> never >> owned to relive early micro computer history. For fun I did some word >> editing with WordStar on a Osborn I. Its keyboard doesn't has cursor keys >> (so the real cursor keys on the host machine have no function when >> emulating the Osborn), thus I had to use the "WordStar Diamond" instead. >> Also had to learn the WordStar shortcuts ^K. > > You could make do nicely with about 10 of them. > > I'll have to find a WordStar .img file somewhere ... > > I'm not sure what "vintage" means to YOU. A VIC-20 ? ZX-81 ? > TI-994a ? C64 ? Atari ? CoCo ? All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s. -- Andreas
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| From | Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-02 01:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20210901214615@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #33053 |
On 2021-09-01, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s. I still have my Interact in the original box. Hasn't worked in ages though. http://oldcomputermuseum.com/interact.html -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) 18 Reasons I won't be vaccinated -- https://tinyurl.com/ebty2dx3 Covid vaccines: experimental biology -- https://tinyurl.com/57mncfm5 The fraud of "Climate Change" -- https://RealClimateScience.com Don't talk to cops! -- https://DontTalkToCops.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From | pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> |
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| Date | 2021-09-02 02:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sgpdg5$vtn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33056 |
On 2021-09-02, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote: > On 2021-09-01, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >> All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s. > > I still have my Interact in the original box. Hasn't worked in ages though. > > http://oldcomputermuseum.com/interact.html I appreciate the links you have in your sig and found the 18 reasons one very interesting reading. pH
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-02 01:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ROudnT9NNJyn_K38nZ2dnUU7-UvNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33057 |
On 9/1/21 10:39 PM, pH wrote: > On 2021-09-02, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote: >> On 2021-09-01, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>> All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s. >> >> I still have my Interact in the original box. Hasn't worked in ages though. >> >> http://oldcomputermuseum.com/interact.html > > > I appreciate the links you have in your sig and found the 18 reasons one > very interesting reading. > > pH An Osbourne/KayPro OUGHT to boot OK even after all this time. The main worry is old-style capacitors. The secondary worry is that the coating will flake off boot disks the minute you spin them up. There at least USED to be some places that would read those disks "touchless" and move it all to newer media. Those were NICE Z-80 boxes - albeit kind of 'end of the line'. The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea. All were the size of medium suitcases and HEAVY and you needed to be young to read those little built-in screens. The IBM though ... 640k and an 8087 .... the others just could NOT compete. And thus so ended CP/M-80 and CP/M in general. Somewhere I have a picture of myself using an IBM-PPC very literally "in the field" run from a DC-AC converter. Field tests of various equipment, weather data was part of the equation. How will particles spit from a dispenser drift on the wind though the meadow ... I think this was the '85 timeframe. Turbo-3 software - even found a use for the Turtle Graphics ... the Turtle was a pointer for the wind direction :-)
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-02 01:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1vSdnRrF6Iwvwa38nZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33053 |
On 9/1/21 7:52 AM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 23:47:05 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> >> On 8/31/21 6:16 AM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 01:58:53 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>> >>>> WordStar was OK ... basic, but GOT IT DONE. Just had >>>> to learn those shortcut commands :-) >>> /me hugs the WordStar Diamond >>> As I mentioned I love running vintage machines in an emulator I >>> never >>> owned to relive early micro computer history. For fun I did some word >>> editing with WordStar on a Osborn I. Its keyboard doesn't has cursor keys >>> (so the real cursor keys on the host machine have no function when >>> emulating the Osborn), thus I had to use the "WordStar Diamond" instead. >>> Also had to learn the WordStar shortcuts ^K. >> >> You could make do nicely with about 10 of them. >> >> I'll have to find a WordStar .img file somewhere ... >> >> I'm not sure what "vintage" means to YOU. A VIC-20 ? ZX-81 ? >> TI-994a ? C64 ? Atari ? CoCo ? > > All of them. Plus the Osborn, Kaypro and many other micros of the 1980s. Did ONE project on an Osbourne (or was it KayPro) "portable" for people who were *convinced* CP/M-80 was forever and always in the Business World. DOS - just a 'fad'. Oh well, they paid actual money so .... :-) The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized, heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much ..... WAY back, I did biz with a computer shop (remember those ?) and the owner once asked me if there was ANY use for 16/32-bit processors. I must have been psychic back in the day ... I said 32/64 was the future, and one of the main reasons would be GRAPHICS/GUIs :-) He was not convinced - and wanted me to buy an Atari-400 ... I will still claim credit (surely unwarranted) for the Java idea. That was back in the dial-up BBS days. They were all text based and I said it might be nice to write TexTronic graphic terminal emulators for the common machines and export content in a format ALL could translate into nice graphical displays. Why, you might even be able to see PICTURES live in the posts !!! OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just a TAD slow ...... I *do* still have a VIC-20 in the storage heap somewhere. Gotta see it it'll still boot sometime. They were actually better to learn assembler on than the C64 because of the simpler memory model. Also acquired an Apple 2e - WITH dual floppy drives - it DOES boot, but I really really need to figure out how to copy the system disks to newer media. The coating is probably ready to flake off .... Emulated is nice, but the REAL HARDWARE is still mor e compelling. Alas, even now, I can't buy a System-360 even though I do have an un-used room big enough to hold all the necessary peripherials. It'd be a bit crowded, yea, but ... Can you still buy data-tape reels and paper-tape ? Somewhere on YouTube there's a video by some guy who brought a PDP-11 system back to life - AND booted it with a strip of paper tape. The physical interface seemed rather complex though. Finished using DosBox-X today to run an ancient DB and print 14 years worth of reports. Went MUCH nicer when I set DBX to run at FULL speed - minutes became seconds. A tad of Python and the ascii printouts became CSVs that I brought into LibreOffice-Calc for posterity. The DB was non-Y2K-compliant and 1999 was the last time it was used. There WAS very extensive documentation, but that was trashed a decade ago. Found the main account by searching left-over BATCH files. NOW I've got to make its successor, FileMaker, run. Finding the user/PWs will take a lot of looking/guessing though ... Oh well, I've gone on too long.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-02 14:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87fsumsteu.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #33061 |
On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 01:10:09 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: > > The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized, > heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k > and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much ..... Didn't IBM came up with that after they saw the tremendous success of the COMPAQ Portable (I think it was called "COMPAQ" when advertised). I seem to remember the look came to be when two of the employees were on a lunch break and put the design on a napkin. > OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just > a TAD slow ...... There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a great deal". *g* I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You might enjoy it. -- Andreas
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-02 13:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sgrc09$kcn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33068 |
On 9/2/21 11:51, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 01:10:09 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> >> The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized, >> heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k >> and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much ..... > > Didn't IBM came up with that after they saw the tremendous success of the > COMPAQ Portable (I think it was called "COMPAQ" when advertised). I seem > to remember the look came to be when two of the employees were on a lunch > break and put the design on a napkin. > >> OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just >> a TAD slow ...... > > There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the > mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The > text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud > is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a > great deal". *g* > > I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You > might enjoy it. > Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200 baud was a little better but I waited for the first cheap <$100 2400 baud device was for sale at a computer show. That was special. bliss - boots & runs a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos. -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-02 21:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87tuj2qwmx.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #33069 |
On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:25:43 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > On 9/2/21 11:51, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > >> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in >> the >> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The >> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud >> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a >> great deal". *g* >> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you >> there. You >> might enjoy it. >> > > Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200 > baud was a little better but I waited for the first cheap > <$100 2400 baud device was for sale at a computer show. > That was special. Started with PCs in 1995 and had a 28,000 Modem. Used it in Windows 95 which came with the PC but also in pure MS-DOS. I think you could abort the Windows boot and issue a parameter "gui=0" or something that Windows was involved. Cannot remember what I used, but was using it for BBS. Later in Linux (Hooray, were are on topic again ;-) - where I in 1997 had no GUI due to hard disk space restrains - I used minicom. -- Andreas
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 03:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iLSdnbwHgo59Taz8nZ2dnUU7-LPNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33070 |
On 9/2/21 9:24 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:25:43 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >> On 9/2/21 11:51, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> >>> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in >>> the >>> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The >>> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud >>> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a >>> great deal". *g* >>> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you >>> there. You >>> might enjoy it. >>> >> >> Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200 >> baud was a little better but I waited for the first cheap >> <$100 2400 baud device was for sale at a computer show. >> That was special. > > Started with PCs in 1995 and had a 28,000 Modecm. Wow - SO priviledged !!! :-) 300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's. You could literally read the text AS it came in. But there were slower rates before that ... > Used it in Windows 95 VIC-20s, Atari-400s, one LSI-11 box ... massive overwhelming KILOBYTES of RAM :-) > which came with the PC but also in pure MS-DOS. I think you could abort > the Windows boot and issue a parameter "gui=0" or something that Windows > was involved. Cannot remember what I used, but was using it for BBS. BBS's were originally pre-IBM, pre-DOS. Mostly the new consumer PCs of the era. A C64 was *advanced* ... There WAS software that'd let you hook a C64 into a bunch of multiplexed phone lines and cope with dozens of users at once. Basically, the users were treated as serial terminals connected to one 'server'. Pretty impressive for literal megahertz boxes. LOTS of them though. The best was one by BYTE magazine. All the tech stuff. CompuServe came into the picture too. Had large forums almost exactly like usenet (well, the civil way usenet USED to be). I had a serial terminal plugged into a 1200 baud modem back then. It was fun. ATTD <phone number> .... type it right. > Later in Linux (Hooray, were are on topic again ;-) - where I in 1997 had > no GUI due to hard disk space restrains - I used minicom. There was Linux before there were GUIs for it. Came in fairly early, but X was pretty beta/alpha for awhile there .... I'd always wanted UNIX ... but could not afford it. Linux was the "cheap" quasi-UNIX and was thus very attractive. Kinda junky at the start, but it got a little better ....
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 09:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sgslhc$djo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33077 |
On 03/09/2021 08:38, SixOverFive wrote: > 300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's. I raise you 50 baud and an acoustic coupler early 1970s My first experience of 'computer modelling' at the far end of the phone line. The model predicted results were of course nothing like the actual real world result, because the model was far too simple. Bit like Climate Change really, except instead of 50 baud and a mainframe with less power than a z80, we have gigabit speeds and a supercomputer to calculate answers predicated on assumptions too simplistic to have any real world value. That's PROGRESS. -- “It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 01:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <TMmdnSjlo9I8YK_8nZ2dnUU7-U3NnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33078 |
On 9/3/21 4:14 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 03/09/2021 08:38, SixOverFive wrote: >> 300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's. > > I raise you 50 baud and an acoustic coupler early 1970s Well played sir :-) Yes, there WAS a time when 300 baud was magically advanced :-) > My first experience of 'computer modelling' at the far end of the phone > line. > > The model predicted results were of course nothing like the actual real > world result, because the model was far too simple. "Models" are almost always that way alas .... the Real World is MESSY and infested with Butterflies. In the old days, these "modelers" would be walking the streets in togas, carrying "REPENT- THE END IS NEAR" signs. NOW, it's Prime Time, book/movie deals, testimony before Congress. Maybe the end IS near ? First-world societies - SO dependent on efficient, sane, practical, interconnectivity - fall first and hardest ....... And the horsemen of The Horde follows closely. The LATEST trend has been to deliberately SABOTAGE "AI" systems that, after crunching petabytes of data, arrive at conclusions not in keeping with the latest social/policial/ economic 'PC' orthodoxies. What's THAT say ? "The Science", but ONLY if it's saying what you want to hear. > Bit like Climate Change really, except instead of 50 baud and a > mainframe with less power than a z80, we have gigabit speeds and a > supercomputer to calculate answers predicated on assumptions too > simplistic to have any real world value. GIGO ... *now* at a million times the speed :-) > That's PROGRESS. Maybe that guy on TV is right - buy LOTS of gold and move to Namibia or somewhere WAY off the grid ....
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 12:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87o899r61y.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #33077 |
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 03:38:07 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: > > On 9/2/21 9:24 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:25:43 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >>> Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200 >>> baud was a little better but I waited for the first cheap >>> <$100 2400 baud device was for sale at a computer show. >>> That was special. >> Started with PCs in 1995 and had a 28,000 Modecm. > > Wow - SO priviledged !!! :-) > > 300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's. I was so underprivileged to miss the early days in micro-computing. And when I finally had my first (Commodore 64 in late 1984) no one had a modem. It was too expensive and the next BBS was a long distance call away. > You could literally read the text AS it came in. One of the days back then borrowed an acoustic coupler. There you could read the text as it came in. And hold your farts, as it would disrupt the connection. There was no error correction (or we didn't knew about it) so garbage was then printed on the screen. *g* -- Andreas
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 01:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <s_mdnXRDeMbXnK78nZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33081 |
On 9/3/21 12:13 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 03:38:07 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> >> On 9/2/21 9:24 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:25:43 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone who paid attention knew a 300 baud modem was slow, 1200 >>>> baud was a little better but I waited for the first cheap >>>> <$100 2400 baud device was for sale at a computer show. >>>> That was special. >>> Started with PCs in 1995 and had a 28,000 Modecm. >> >> Wow - SO priviledged !!! :-) >> >> 300 baud is where I started, back in the early 80's. > > I was so underprivileged to miss the early days in micro-computing. And > when I finally had my first (Commodore 64 in late 1984) no one had a > modem. It was too expensive and the next BBS was a long distance call away. There WERE modems for C64s ... but they WERE kind of expensive. I spent a lot of my poor paychecks on PC hardware back then ... And yes, many BBS's were long-distance calls. Liked the old BYTE Mag BBS though - toll free number. And somewhere in there was Compuserve - affordable. It had forums MUCH like usenet, albeit more civil. For kicks I used an old serial terminal plugged into a modem - no "system"/OS at all. MAY find ways to go back to something like that, given modern issues ....... Alas when CS started losing money to the internet it changed a bunch of policies/procedures and you could not even un-subscribe - NO way to contact a human. Eventually I went to the bank and had them REJECT any and all charges from CS. CS didn't like it - even issued threats - but TOUGH. They never got another dime. >> You could literally read the text AS it came in. > > One of the days back then borrowed an acoustic coupler. There you could > read the text as it came in. And hold your farts, as it would disrn.upt the > connection. There was no error correction (or we didn't knew about it) so > garbage was then printed on the screen. *g* Yep. There WAS error-correction, but BARELY. Random noises COULD be interpreted as data. The fun fun Bad Old Days :-) And it WAS fun.
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 03:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jICdnW4qH7AGUaz8nZ2dnUU7-QPNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #33068 |
On 9/2/21 2:51 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 01:10:09 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> >> The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized, >> heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k >> and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much ..... > > Didn't IBM came up with that after they saw the tremendous success of the > COMPAQ Portable (I think it was called "COMPAQ" when advertised). I seem > to remember the look came to be when two of the employees were on a lunch > break and put the design on a napkin. Yep, it was intended as a direct competitor to the Compaq "portable" ... and, at the time, also Osbourne and KayPro. But, like them, it was basically a desktop PC shoved into a suitcase-sized box with a handle. I was using the IBM-PPC for agricultural-product research at the time. Wanted to see how certain dusts would disperse in the wind across the fields. Kept track of wind direction/speed and there were sticky-slides at certain intervals in the bushes. Got lots of neato pretty-colored wind-drift charts out of that. From that, "average" dispersal data could be gleaned, useful for real-world application charts. >> OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just >> a TAD slow ...... > > There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the > mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The > text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud > is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a > great deal". *g* Heh ... yea yea ... I *remember*. Had one of those 'acoustic modems' in the beginning - you literally squished the phone handpiece into them. My first 1200 baud was Anchor Robotics. VASTLY better. At 300 baud you could actually read the text real-time as it came in. Oh well, there WERE slower baud rates before then ......... Somewhere I have a Radio Shack "laptop" ... last thing Gates actually wrote some code for. This was WAY before real 'laptops'. They were VERY popular with the Press - you could fit the acoustic coupler into any phone in the world and send in your story. (also had a direct-connect phone line capability - it could dial tone or pulse AND deal with common foreign systems). Ran on actual dry/alk BATTERIES you could buy at any store. > I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You > might enjoy it. Having LIVED a lot of this "folklore" it doesn't seem like nostalgic "lore" to me ..... But I did mostly miss the mainframe/mini days ... only had to use punchcards/paper-tape ONCE in a college class (which I dropped out of because the school already had serial terminals that'd do all that PLUS). The class was years behind the reality ......
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 14:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6UpYI.11650$2Q_3.6844@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #33076 |
SixOverFive <hae274c.net> writes: >On 9/2/21 2:51 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the >> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The >> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud >> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a >> great deal". *g* > > Heh ... yea yea ... I *remember*. Had one of those > 'acoustic modems' in the beginning - you literally > squished the phone handpiece into them. My first > 1200 baud was Anchor Robotics. VASTLY better. At > 300 baud you could actually read the text real-time > as it came in. Oh well, there WERE slower baud rates > before then ......... Try 110 baud with an ASR-33. Switching to 300 baud on a LA-120 was blazing fast...
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 17:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210903174437.cb472b1ca827ddb506513267@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #33080 |
On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:00:34 GMT scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: > Try 110 baud with an ASR-33. We found it very useful in 1974, turn on punch both ends and run tapes through the readers at each end to get two way data transfer with hard copy. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 14:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <b164jgt5pl8tuuu7gs8s4gtjd6ldsf4tao@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #33076 |
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 03:19:54 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >On 9/2/21 2:51 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 01:10:09 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>> >>> The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized, >>> heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k >>> and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much ..... >> >> Didn't IBM came up with that after they saw the tremendous success of the >> COMPAQ Portable (I think it was called "COMPAQ" when advertised). I seem >> to remember the look came to be when two of the employees were on a lunch >> break and put the design on a napkin. > > Yep, it was intended as a direct competitor to the > Compaq "portable" ... and, at the time, also Osbourne > and KayPro. > > But, like them, it was basically a desktop PC shoved > into a suitcase-sized box with a handle. > > I was using the IBM-PPC for agricultural-product > research at the time. Wanted to see how certain > dusts would disperse in the wind across the fields. > Kept track of wind direction/speed and there were > sticky-slides at certain intervals in the bushes. > Got lots of neato pretty-colored wind-drift > charts out of that. From that, "average" dispersal > data could be gleaned, useful for real-world > application charts. > >>> OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just >>> a TAD slow ...... >> >> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the >> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The >> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud >> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a >> great deal". *g* > > Heh ... yea yea ... I *remember*. Had one of those > 'acoustic modems' in the beginning - you literally > squished the phone handpiece into them. My first > 1200 baud was Anchor Robotics. VASTLY better. At > 300 baud you could actually read the text real-time > as it came in. Oh well, there WERE slower baud rates > before then ......... > > Somewhere I have a Radio Shack "laptop" ... last > thing Gates actually wrote some code for. This was > WAY before real 'laptops'. They were VERY popular > with the Press - you could fit the acoustic coupler > into any phone in the world and send in your story. > (also had a direct-connect phone line capability - > it could dial tone or pulse AND deal with common > foreign systems). Ran on actual dry/alk BATTERIES > you could buy at any store. > >> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You >> might enjoy it. > > Having LIVED a lot of this "folklore" it doesn't seem > like nostalgic "lore" to me ..... > > But I did mostly miss the mainframe/mini days ... > only had to use punchcards/paper-tape ONCE in a > college class (which I dropped out of because > the school already had serial terminals that'd > do all that PLUS). The class was years behind > the reality ...... Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I ended up having to go dig up an operator.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 19:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210903195345.1fe658b46921b8bcfff7a36e@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #33083 |
On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:11:42 -0400 J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > and that idiot insisted that his students use > cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. Reminds me of the A level computer science course I wished I hadn't taken - the year before it had been all about machine architecture, assembly language programming, data structures and algorithms, fun stuff. But I wasn't allowed to take it that year (because I was taking my O levels) I had to wait and take it the following year and so the course I got to take was COBOL, systems analysis and data validation and not what I had been looking forward to at all. But it was "what we'd be working with in the real world" or so I was told when I moaned about the change. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 13:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <601278435.652395486.631602.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #33084 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:11:42 -0400 > J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >> and that idiot insisted that his students use >> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. > > Reminds me of the A level computer science course I wished I hadn't > taken - the year before it had been all about machine architecture, > assembly language programming, data structures and algorithms, fun stuff. > But I wasn't allowed to take it that year (because I was taking my O > levels) I had to wait and take it the following year and so the course I > got to take was COBOL, systems analysis and data validation and not what I > had been looking forward to at all. But it was "what we'd be working with > in the real world" or so I was told when I moaned about the change. > COBOL programmers are still in demand, apparently. -- Pete
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