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  thirty years ago Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-25 17:44 +0000
    Re: thirty years ago John McCue <jmccue@jmcw541.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> - 2021-08-25 19:10 +0000
      Re: thirty years ago Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-25 16:47 -0700
        Re: thirty years ago The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 09:51 +0100
        Re: thirty years ago Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-26 12:14 -0400
    Re: thirty years ago doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2021-08-25 22:25 +0000
    Re: thirty years ago SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 00:12 -0400
      Re: thirty years ago The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 10:02 +0100
        Linux on a Chromebook (was: thirty years ago) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-26 12:21 -0400
          Re: Linux on a Chromebook (was: thirty years ago) Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-26 18:27 +0200
            Re: Linux on a Chromebook The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 17:49 +0100
            Re: Linux on a Chromebook Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-26 12:50 -0400
              Re: Linux on a Chromebook Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-26 19:35 +0200
                Re: Linux on a Chromebook Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-26 14:07 -0400
                  Re: Linux on a Chromebook Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-26 18:17 +0000
                  Re: Linux on a Chromebook Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-26 22:36 +0200
                    Re: Linux on a Chromebook The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:06 +0100
          Re: Linux on a Chromebook The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 17:48 +0100
          Re: Linux on a Chromebook (was: thirty years ago) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-26 17:19 +0000
            Re: Linux on a Chromebook (was: thirty years ago) Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-08-26 19:45 +0200
            Re: Linux on a Chromebook The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 20:20 +0100
          Re: Linux on a Chromebook SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 21:38 -0400
            Re: Linux on a Chromebook The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 03:34 +0100
              Re: Linux on a Chromebook Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-27 13:32 +0000
              Re: Linux on a Chromebook Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-27 13:30 -0400
                Re: Linux on a Chromebook The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-28 09:34 +0100
                  Re: Linux on a Chromebook Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-28 12:42 -0400
                    Re: Linux on a Chromebook The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-28 20:18 +0100
            Re: Linux on a Chromebook Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-26 21:06 -0700
        Re: thirty years ago SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-26 21:26 -0400
          Re: thirty years ago The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:49 +0100
    Re: thirty years ago "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-30 08:29 +0300
    Re: thirty years ago Solbu <solbu@solbu.net> - 2021-09-04 17:10 +0200
    Re: thirty years ago "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-19 17:34 +0300
      Re: thirty years ago "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-20 08:23 +0300

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#32842 — thirty years ago

First Linux announcement, 25 August 1991.

  From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
  Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
  Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
  Summary: small poll for my new operating system
  Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
  Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
  Organization: University of Helsinki


  Hello everybody out there using minix -

  I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
  professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.  This has been brewing
  since april, and is starting to get ready.  I'd like any feedback on
  things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
  (same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
  among other things).

  I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things seem to work.
  This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
  I'd like to know what features most people would want.  Any suggestions
  are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)

		 Linus (torvalds@kruuna.helsinki.fi)

  PS.  Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
  It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
  will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.

Just a couple of months before I bought an A/UX system. I didn't switch
to Linux until the late 1990s.

Elijah
------
probably still has install disks for A/UX

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#32847

Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> First Linux announcement, 25 August 1991.
<snip>
>   Hello everybody out there using minix -
> 
>   I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
>   professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.  This has been brewing
<snip>
>   It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
>   will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.

Funny, remember the old days when one of the common
questions was "What machine is Linus using ?".

Then some people would try and get the same hardware :)

<snip>

30 years, who would have thought!

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#32850

On 8/25/21 12:10, John McCue wrote:
> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> First Linux announcement, 25 August 1991.
> <snip>
>>    Hello everybody out there using minix -
>>
>>    I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
>>    professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.  This has been brewing
> <snip>
>>    It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
>>    will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.
> 
> Funny, remember the old days when one of the common
> questions was "What machine is Linus using ?".
> 
> Then some people would try and get the same hardware :)
> 
> <snip>
> 
> 30 years, who would have thought!
> 

	Oh I was 54 when Linus announced and I assure you it has been
30 years.  It took me 15 years and the collapse of CBM  to get into
using GNU/Linux.

	Oh and thanks to Eli the Bearded for the reminder.

	bliss

-- 
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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#32863

On 26/08/2021 00:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 8/25/21 12:10, John McCue wrote:
>> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>>> First Linux announcement, 25 August 1991.
>> <snip>
>>>    Hello everybody out there using minix -
>>>
>>>    I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
>>>    professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.  This has been brewing
>> <snip>
>>>    It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably 
>>> never
>>>    will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I 
>>> have :-(.
>>
>> Funny, remember the old days when one of the common
>> questions was "What machine is Linus using ?".
>>
>> Then some people would try and get the same hardware :)
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> 30 years, who would have thought!
>>
> 
>      Oh I was 54 when Linus announced and I assure you it has been
> 30 years.  It took me 15 years and the collapse of CBM  to get into
> using GNU/Linux.
> 
>      Oh and thanks to Eli the Bearded for the reminder.
> 
>      bliss
> 
I think it took a decade and a bit before Linux outperformed (in terms 
of what you could do on it, obviously it was always fater and nicer 
code) a windows desktop, as a desktop. As a server it was all pretty 
decent from the mid to late 90s.

-- 
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly 
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#32875

On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 16:47:33 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
> On 8/25/21 12:10, John McCue wrote:
>> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>>> First Linux announcement, 25 August 1991.
>> <snip>
>>>    Hello everybody out there using minix -
>>>
>>>    I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
>>>    professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.  This has been brewing
>> <snip>
>>>    It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
>>>    will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.
>> Funny, remember the old days when one of the common
>> questions was "What machine is Linus using ?".
>> Then some people would try and get the same hardware :)
>> <snip>
>> 30 years, who would have thought!
>> 
>
> 	Oh I was 54 when Linus announced and I assure you it has been
> 30 years.  It took me 15 years and the collapse of CBM  to get into
> using GNU/Linux.

CBM as in Commodore Business Machines?

Can't remember what I was doing that day in 1991. I was 30 years younger
though. ;-) Took until four years later I had my first "IBM compatible"
and another three years after that to install my first Linux. Switched
completely to Linux in 2000 (and lost many "friends", telling them I will
no longer help them with Windows, so they never contacted me after that,
realizing I was just good enough for fixing their virus infested machines
before) and never looked back.
-- 
Andreas

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#32849

In article <eli$2108251343@qaz.wtf>,
Eli the Bearded  <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>First Linux announcement, 25 August 1991.
>
>  From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
>  Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
>  Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
>  Summary: small poll for my new operating system
>  Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
>  Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
>  Organization: University of Helsinki
>
>
>  Hello everybody out there using minix -
>
>  I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
>  professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.  This has been brewing
>  since april, and is starting to get ready.  I'd like any feedback on
>  things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
>  (same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
>  among other things).
>
>  I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things seem to work.
>  This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
>  I'd like to know what features most people would want.  Any suggestions
>  are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
>
>		 Linus (torvalds@kruuna.helsinki.fi)
>
>  PS.  Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
>  It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
>  will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.
>
>Just a couple of months before I bought an A/UX system. I didn't switch
>to Linux until the late 1990s.
>

Yes BSD could have been bigger!

>Elijah
>------
>probably still has install disks for A/UX


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#32854

On 08/25/2021 01:44 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
> First Linux announcement, 25 August 1991.
> 
>    From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
>    Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
>    Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
>    Summary: small poll for my new operating system
>    Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
>    Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
>    Organization: University of Helsinki
> 
> 
>    Hello everybody out there using minix -
> 
>    I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
>    professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.  This has been brewing
>    since april, and is starting to get ready.  I'd like any feedback on
>    things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
>    (same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
>    among other things).
> 
>    I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things seem to work.
>    This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
>    I'd like to know what features most people would want.  Any suggestions
>    are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
> 
> 		 Linus (torvalds@kruuna.helsinki.fi)
> 
>    PS.  Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
>    It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
>    will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.
> 
> Just a couple of months before I bought an A/UX system. I didn't switch
> to Linux until the late 1990s.
> 
> Elijah
> ------
> probably still has install disks for A/UX


   The biggest things often start very small, hype-free.

   Strong rumors that Win-11 replaces a lot of the
   behind-the-scenes code with de-facto Linux, Win-12
   will be almost entirely Linux tweaked into a
   look-alike/work-alike that fools people into thinking
   it is still the old Winders line. MS just can't keep
   up with 30+ years of "legacy" and and HAS to switch
   to a more organized paradigm.

   Oh, they CAN sell it because it's "value added" ...

   The PROBLEM is that code snippets from their huge
   well-financed development team will trickle into
   mainline Linux - and soon MS lawyer will claim
   to OWN Linux, sue Linus for stealing "their stuff".

   Time to start a new -ix maybe ? Something completely
   different ? There ARE some other worthy paradigms
   in existence. Ever see OS-9 ... mostly relegated
   these days to embedded microcontroller type systems.
   It has a vaguely Unix look/feel/structure - but is
   more logical, more efficient. Old-tymers who owned
   RS CoCo's might remember. So ... ?

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#32864

On 26/08/2021 05:12, SixOverFive wrote:
> Strong rumors that Win-11 replaces a lot of the
>    behind-the-scenes code with de-facto Linux, Win-12
>    will be almost entirely Linux tweaked into a
>    look-alike/work-alike that fools people into thinking
>    it is still the old Winders line. MS just can't keep
>    up with 30+ years of "legacy" and and HAS to switch
>    to a more organized paradigm.
> 
MS will have worked out where its income lies, as IBM did when it 
realised the money wasn't necessarily in hardware or operating systems.

Google has showed more enterprise than MS in terms of cloud level 
applications but Microsoft is in a good position to pick up more than 
just skype.

It might make sense to do WINE properly for legacy apps, and sell an 
entirely linux based 'windows' distro.


>    Oh, they CAN sell it because it's "value added" ...
> 
>    The PROBLEM is that code snippets from their huge
>    well-financed development team will trickle into
>    mainline Linux - and soon MS lawyer will claim
>    to OWN Linux, sue Linus for stealing "their stuff".

Well I am not so sure that will wash these days. Redhat and IBM dont 
claim ownership just because they work on Linux

And a lot of people with plenty of money for plenty of liars - sorry 
lawyers - would be most unhappy to pay license fees to MS for something 
they used to get for free.

No, the desktop operating system is no longer a money spinner really. 
Cloud apps and office apps are where MS is probably cranking in the dollars

Anything that brings the mainline nonfree apps onto a linux platform is 
worth it I think.


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more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump 
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the 
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is 
that they are dead.
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#32876 — Linux on a Chromebook (was: thirty years ago)

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 10:02:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 26/08/2021 05:12, SixOverFive wrote:
>> Strong rumors that Win-11 replaces a lot of the
>>    behind-the-scenes code with de-facto Linux, Win-12
>>    will be almost entirely Linux tweaked into a
>>    look-alike/work-alike that fools people into thinking
>>    it is still the old Winders line. MS just can't keep
>>    up with 30+ years of "legacy" and and HAS to switch
>>    to a more organized paradigm.
>> 
> MS will have worked out where its income lies, as IBM did when it
> realised the money wasn't necessarily in hardware or operating
> systems.

Everybody seems doing cloud today. Thus I didn't expect there would be a
Windows 11. I assumed they would create some dumb client after Windows 10
to connect to their cloud instead. Similar to what Google did with Chrome
OS, depending much or less on their cloud (pretty much useless without
internet connection).

Btw. I might need a new laptop after 9 years hacking on this one in front
of me and thought about a Chromebook, because they are cheap (no Windows
OEM license?). But don't want to give up on Linux. There are a lot of
Howtos in the internet, and some reporting of messing all up. Anyone
successfully installed Linux - preferably next to Chrome OS - on a
Chromebook here?
-- 
Andreas

https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/

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#32878 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook (was: thirty years ago)

Am 26.08.21 um 18:21 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
> Btw. I might need a new laptop after 9 years hacking on this one in front
> of me and thought about a Chromebook, because they are cheap (no Windows
> OEM license?). But don't want to give up on Linux. There are a lot of
> Howtos in the internet, and some reporting of messing all up. Anyone
> successfully installed Linux - preferably next to Chrome OS - on a
> Chromebook here?

Wouldn't it be more appropriate and helpful to open a new thread for
this topic?


-- 
De gustibus non est disputandum

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#32880 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook

On 26/08/2021 17:27, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 26.08.21 um 18:21 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>> Btw. I might need a new laptop after 9 years hacking on this one in front
>> of me and thought about a Chromebook, because they are cheap (no Windows
>> OEM license?). But don't want to give up on Linux. There are a lot of
>> Howtos in the internet, and some reporting of messing all up. Anyone
>> successfully installed Linux - preferably next to Chrome OS - on a
>> Chromebook here?
> 
> Wouldn't it be more appropriate and helpful to open a new thread for
> this topic?
> 
> 
Well the title has changed. so it *sort of* is a new thread...

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people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason 
they are poor.

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#32882 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:27:59 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
> Am 26.08.21 um 18:21 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>> Btw. I might need a new laptop after 9 years hacking on this one in front
>> of me and thought about a Chromebook, because they are cheap (no Windows
>> OEM license?). But don't want to give up on Linux. There are a lot of
>> Howtos in the internet, and some reporting of messing all up. Anyone
>> successfully installed Linux - preferably next to Chrome OS - on a
>> Chromebook here?
>
> Wouldn't it be more appropriate and helpful to open a new thread for
> this topic?

Nicht wirklich. ;-)

I changed the subject. Thus creating a new topic would just be a technical
issue in my opinion.
-- 
Andreas

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#32886 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook

Am 26.08.21 um 18:50 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:27:59 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>
>> Am 26.08.21 um 18:21 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>> Btw. I might need a new laptop after 9 years hacking on this one in front
>>> of me and thought about a Chromebook, because they are cheap (no Windows
>>> OEM license?). But don't want to give up on Linux. There are a lot of
>>> Howtos in the internet, and some reporting of messing all up. Anyone
>>> successfully installed Linux - preferably next to Chrome OS - on a
>>> Chromebook here?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be more appropriate and helpful to open a new thread for
>> this topic?
> 
> Nicht wirklich. ;-)
> 
> I changed the subject. Thus creating a new topic would just be a technical
> issue in my opinion.

Nein.
Viele haben sicher diesen Thread und damit den von Dir eröffneten
Subthread abgehakt. Dein "Thread" ist thematisch extrem weit vom
Originalthread weg.

Neuer Thread = neue Leser
Alter Thread mit Subject-Change /= neue Leser

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#32890 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 19:35:03 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
> Am 26.08.21 um 18:50 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:27:59 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be more appropriate and helpful to open a new thread for
>>> this topic?
>> 
>> Nicht wirklich. ;-)
>> 
>> I changed the subject. Thus creating a new topic would just be a technical
>> issue in my opinion.
>
> Nein.
> Viele haben sicher diesen Thread und damit den von Dir eröffneten
> Subthread abgehakt. Dein "Thread" ist thematisch extrem weit vom
> Originalthread weg.

That is your assumption (going back to English). The Natural Philosop did
reply to it.

> Neuer Thread = neue Leser
> Alter Thread mit Subject-Change /= neue Leser

What's the difference?

I assume everybody who read here reads here, no matter if a subject
change occurred or not.
-- 
Andreas

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#32891 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook

In comp.os.linux.misc, Andreas Kohlbach  <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> What's the difference?
> 
> I assume everybody who read here reads here, no matter if a subject
> change occurred or not.

Sometimes people killfile based on "all articles with message-ID X in
references", which is a way to get all replies even as the debaters
vary the subject. I don't do that in _this_ group, but I have done it. 

I'm also more likely to read an article that is starts a new thread
than one that is a deep reply. In trn, I use the "," junk-this-and-all-
replies action (which is a per-session junk, not a saved forever junk)
fairly regularly.

Were I to topic shift to "Linux on a Chromebook", I'd probably change
the subject and remove the references header, even if I included th
message-ID I was replying to in the body.

Elijah
------
might have used the "," and missed replies but for the subject change

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#32893 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook

Am 26.08.21 um 20:07 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 19:35:03 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>
>> Am 26.08.21 um 18:50 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:27:59 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be more appropriate and helpful to open a new thread for
>>>> this topic?
>>>
>>> Nicht wirklich. ;-)
>>>
>>> I changed the subject. Thus creating a new topic would just be a technical
>>> issue in my opinion.
>>
>> Nein.
>> Viele haben sicher diesen Thread und damit den von Dir eröffneten
>> Subthread abgehakt. Dein "Thread" ist thematisch extrem weit vom
>> Originalthread weg.
> 
> That is your assumption (going back to English). The Natural Philosop did
> reply to it.

TNP is killfiled here because of antisocial behaviour in other groups.

>> Neuer Thread = neue Leser
>> Alter Thread mit Subject-Change /= neue Leser
> 
> What's the difference?
> 
> I assume everybody who read here reads here, no matter if a subject
> change occurred or not.

This assumption is wrong because I do not do it = not everybody.



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#32906 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook

On 26/08/2021 21:36, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> TNP is killfiled here because of antisocial behaviour in other groups.

Translate: He challenges orthodoxies and group think, so must be 
'cancelled'.

-- 
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have 
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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#32879 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook

On 26/08/2021 17:21, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 10:02:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 26/08/2021 05:12, SixOverFive wrote:
>>> Strong rumors that Win-11 replaces a lot of the
>>>     behind-the-scenes code with de-facto Linux, Win-12
>>>     will be almost entirely Linux tweaked into a
>>>     look-alike/work-alike that fools people into thinking
>>>     it is still the old Winders line. MS just can't keep
>>>     up with 30+ years of "legacy" and and HAS to switch
>>>     to a more organized paradigm.
>>>
>> MS will have worked out where its income lies, as IBM did when it
>> realised the money wasn't necessarily in hardware or operating
>> systems.
> 
> Everybody seems doing cloud today. Thus I didn't expect there would be a
> Windows 11. I assumed they would create some dumb client after Windows 10
> to connect to their cloud instead. Similar to what Google did with Chrome
> OS, depending much or less on their cloud (pretty much useless without
> internet connection).
> 
I wondered about that - rather like a tablet or smart phone but here is 
my best wet finger guess

MS knows it lost te smart ]phoine and tablet war, so its buying up the 
cloud apps they use.
Linux won the server wars and the minicomputer space.

The only place for windows is the desktop. Where commercial people and 
professionals need a platform for custom applications, and a supported 
platform for office apps

Why bother supporting an OS that is stuck with legacy Intel hardware, 
when Linux is already broader in scope?

The problem becomes on of building a legacy API to run older windows 
apps, while porting MS apps to raw linux

If that is less effort and safer than continuing to develop the rats 
nest that is Windows, why not do it?


> Btw. I might need a new laptop after 9 years hacking on this one in front
> of me and thought about a Chromebook, because they are cheap (no Windows
> OEM license?). But don't want to give up on Linux. There are a lot of
> Howtos in the internet, and some reporting of messing all up. Anyone
> successfully installed Linux - preferably next to Chrome OS - on a
> Chromebook here?
> 
I bought a *refurbished* little HP Pavilion - the vendor knocked £30 off 
it for removing the RAM and hard disk . I already had a busted Toshiba 
Craptop to raid for RAM and disk. Booted up linux with no fiddles at 
all. Bog standard hardware built well.

Rock solid little beast. There are loads of refurbed laptops 'not to 
latest spec'  or ex liquidation stock out there.

-- 
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead 
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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#32885 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook (was: thirty years ago)

In comp.os.linux.misc, Andreas Kohlbach  <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> Btw. I might need a new laptop after 9 years hacking on this one in front
> of me and thought about a Chromebook, because they are cheap (no Windows
> OEM license?). But don't want to give up on Linux. There are a lot of
> Howtos in the internet, and some reporting of messing all up. Anyone
> successfully installed Linux - preferably next to Chrome OS - on a
> Chromebook here?

Probably yes. Chromebooks seem to have pushed out all of the netbooks
that I so loved, but seem slightly more difficult to re-OS and never
seem to have great hard drive or RAM offerings. So I personally have
avoided them.

My method for picking a new laptop is generally:

1. Come up with some rough specs for what I want, to narrow the field
2. From the offerings in that narrowed field, search for "How to install
   Linux on XYZ"
3. Discard any offerings with no promising results
4. If nothing left, readjust specs in restart, otherwise buy one of
   the offerings

My most recent purchase was a Microsoft Surface Go 2, which met my
criteria of ~11" screen, 8GB RAM, slot for sd or microsd card, USB-C,
and Linux works. I was in a rush, so limited my search to Surface
offerings because I had heard they mostly work well with Linux already.

It was more costly than my usual budget, and the keyboard is a bit
soft. Linux was difficult to install, but doable, and has been pretty
solid since. I _have_ noticed that the trackpad seems to have a config
race condition during boot, so sometimes it works great and sometimes
it works terribly. One of the fast to reproduce "works terribly" signs
is "middle button emulation not present". Rebooting can help by rolling
the dice again on that race condition. Then when it works, avoid
rebooting for a while.

Elijah
------
not enamored enough to enthusiastically recommend the Surface Go

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#32888 — Re: Linux on a Chromebook (was: thirty years ago)

Am 26.08.21 um 19:19 schrieb Eli the Bearded:
> In comp.os.linux.misc, Andreas Kohlbach  <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> Btw. I might need a new laptop after 9 years hacking on this one in front
>> of me and thought about a Chromebook, because they are cheap (no Windows
>> OEM license?). But don't want to give up on Linux. There are a lot of
>> Howtos in the internet, and some reporting of messing all up. Anyone
>> successfully installed Linux - preferably next to Chrome OS - on a
>> Chromebook here?
> 
> Probably yes. Chromebooks seem to have pushed out all of the netbooks
> that I so loved, but seem slightly more difficult to re-OS and never
> seem to have great hard drive or RAM offerings. So I personally have
> avoided them.
> 
> My method for picking a new laptop is generally:
> 
> 1. Come up with some rough specs for what I want, to narrow the field
> 2. From the offerings in that narrowed field, search for "How to install
>    Linux on XYZ"
> 3. Discard any offerings with no promising results
> 4. If nothing left, readjust specs in restart, otherwise buy one of
>    the offerings

Very much the same here. This time I ordered a new Dell machine with a
preinstalled Ubuntu. I'll get it in the second half of September.

Just a couple of weeks ago I "misused" my 2016 MacBook Air to install
Mint. Works wonderful. A live system showed me already a year ago that
it works.

After the recent debacle with the backdoor on iPhones in the US I
decided to free myself from the ringfenced Apple-ecosystem and work on a
diversified infrastructure.

A boot-stick with a Linux on it to test hardware should be acceptable
for most vendors if asked.

Chromebooks are a No-Go for me anyway.

Jörg


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