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| Started by | Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> |
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| First post | 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300 |
| Last post | 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 454 — 21 participants |
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Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:01 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:08 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:32 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:29 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-12 11:07 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 09:06 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-18 16:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-18 21:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-19 01:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:39 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 02:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:31 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-19 12:17 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:28 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:19 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 09:20 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:49 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:45 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:16 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:51 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 08:42 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 09:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 10:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:25 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:48 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:44 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 00:57 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:14 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:05 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 02:00 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 14:52 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 20:29 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:17 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:09 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:23 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:47 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:27 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:05 +0000
Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:46 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:21 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:46 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:41 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:07 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:15 +0000
Re: Accents. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-10-30 17:29 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:31 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 19:31 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:14 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:10 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:35 +0100
Re: Accents. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 15:18 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:17 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:46 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:25 +0000
LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 20:50 -0400
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:41 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:57 +0000
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 00:12 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 00:19 -0500
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 07:03 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 14:20 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:02 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:42 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:31 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:16 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:51 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:48 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:42 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:21 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:59 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:41 +0100
Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:56 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-31 19:02 -0700
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 02:52 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:32 +0000
Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:19 +0000
TV tropes (was: Re: Accents.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:01 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 13:10 +0100
Re: TV tropes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 21:28 +0100
Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:10 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:14 +0100
Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:09 +0000
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 07:41 +0000
Re: TV tropes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-21 09:00 +0000
Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 09:13 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:17 +0100
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 19:28 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:43 +0100
Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:00 +0000
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 04:06 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:24 +0100
Re: Not Blade Runner Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:57 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:22 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:22 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:50 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:20 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:34 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:47 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:05 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
Re: Blade runner c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 15:40 -0500
Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 22:30 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 17:48 -0500
Re: Flashlights Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-11-03 20:26 -0800
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-04 04:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:35 -0500
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-05 03:44 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 01:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:20 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:33 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:26 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 11:56 +0100
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:42 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:30 -0500
Re: Flashlights candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-07 16:20 +0000
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 18:11 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-07 18:50 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:42 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:31 +0100
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:06 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:04 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:08 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:07 +0000
Re: Flashlights John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-11-09 19:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:58 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 05:09 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 01:31 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 07:51 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:19 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:16 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:39 +0100
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 22:54 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:52 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:32 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 06:49 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-22 03:14 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 11:32 +0000
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 22:00 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 02:35 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:40 +0000
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:10 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 01:42 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:09 +0100
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:17 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:19 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 21:58 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-24 20:28 +0100
Re: Flashlights Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-24 15:04 -0800
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-24 22:48 -0500
Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 07:59 +0100
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 03:43 -0500
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 09:59 +0100
Re: Chemical photography Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-25 10:14 -0800
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:38 +0100
Re: Chemical photography Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-25 10:54 -0800
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 18:58 +0000
Re: Chemical photography Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:12 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:32 +0100
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:39 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 22:26 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-26 07:34 +0100
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 02:40 -0500
City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-26 11:18 +0100
Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:40 +0000
Re: City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 12:39 +0100
Re: City fauna The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:56 +0000
Re: City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 13:16 +0100
Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:58 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 22:39 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 18:55 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:20 +0100
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 23:40 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:03 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 22:36 -0500
Re: Chemical photography candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-01 21:50 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:31 +0100
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 22:00 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 05:08 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:40 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:37 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 21:02 +0000
Re: Chemical photography Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-26 13:29 -0800
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 01:57 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 23:13 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:47 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 22:09 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:45 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:37 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 23:47 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 06:20 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 01:38 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:20 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 02:58 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 09:12 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 05:20 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 11:28 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:32 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:19 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:45 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:41 +0000
Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:03 +0100
Re: Punt guns. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:19 +0000
Re: Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:43 +0100
Re: Punt guns. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:42 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:10 -0500
Punt guns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:06 +0100
Re: Punt guns Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:58 -0800
Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:34 -0500
Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 01:05 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 19:19 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:25 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 08:58 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:14 +0100
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:20 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:04 +0100
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 01:55 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:39 -0500
Bears "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:07 +0100
Re: Bears c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 00:51 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:09 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:12 -0500
Repopulating bears, wolves... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:10 +0100
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:53 -0800
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:59 +0000
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:49 -0500
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:19 -0500
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 03:57 +0000
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:01 -0500
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:33 +0000
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:40 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:32 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:46 -0500
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 22:40 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:48 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:07 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 19:15 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:23 +0100
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:13 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:17 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:21 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:29 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:13 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 09:19 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 23:16 -0500
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 22:10 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:26 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:10 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 06:15 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:23 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:20 +0000
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:54 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:10 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:49 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:13 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:12 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000
Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000
Re: Accents. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:37 +0100
OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-02 18:49 -0800
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 06:54 +0000
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-03 08:19 -0800
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:34 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:26 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:36 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:33 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:52 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:43 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:12 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:02 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 06:39 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-12 02:59 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-13 16:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:38 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:45 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:17 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 03:28 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:20 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:55 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 21:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:35 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:21 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:01 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:24 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 09:00 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 15:11 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:27 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:24 -0400
Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:08 +0200
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:15 -0400
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:46 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 04:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:49 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:43 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-14 21:30 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <MVCOQ.343134$T_d8.235094@fx44.iad> |
| In reply to | #77020 |
On 2025-11-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 04/11/2025 04:26, Ian wrote: > >>> Anyway, at minimum, this would be for 'open field' use >>> where glare would be less of an issue. Turn it on inside >>> your house and, remember those old magnesium/O2 camera >>> flashbulbs ? >> >> Weren't they aluminum? > > No. > > I had a reel of magnesium tape as a boy. It didnt last long One day in the chem lab I wanted to light a Bunsen burner but didn't have a proper lighter or matches. So I dropped a small piece of potassium into a beaker of water, used that to light a piece of magnesium ribbon, and used that to light the Bunsen burner. The things you can do when no one is looking... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <cUGdnWaZtLu8lZb0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77033 |
On 11/5/25 02:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-11-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 04/11/2025 04:26, Ian wrote: >> >>>> Anyway, at minimum, this would be for 'open field' use >>>> where glare would be less of an issue. Turn it on inside >>>> your house and, remember those old magnesium/O2 camera >>>> flashbulbs ? >>> >>> Weren't they aluminum? >> >> No. >> >> I had a reel of magnesium tape as a boy. It didnt last long > > One day in the chem lab I wanted to light a Bunsen burner but > didn't have a proper lighter or matches. So I dropped a small > piece of potassium into a beaker of water, used that to light > a piece of magnesium ribbon, and used that to light the Bunsen > burner. > > The things you can do when no one is looking... Hah ... know what you mean ! Long back in college they had a jar full of potassium chunks that were too contaminated to use. So, after dark, some of us went to a nearby lake and proceeded to toss them in. Wow !
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <10efduj$c10i$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77033 |
On 05/11/2025 07:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-11-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 04/11/2025 04:26, Ian wrote:
>>
>>>> Anyway, at minimum, this would be for 'open field' use
>>>> where glare would be less of an issue. Turn it on inside
>>>> your house and, remember those old magnesium/O2 camera
>>>> flashbulbs ?
>>>
>>> Weren't they aluminum?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> I had a reel of magnesium tape as a boy. It didnt last long
>
> One day in the chem lab I wanted to light a Bunsen burner but
> didn't have a proper lighter or matches. So I dropped a small
> piece of potassium into a beaker of water, used that to light
> a piece of magnesium ribbon, and used that to light the Bunsen
> burner.
>
> The things you can do when no one is looking...
>
I used to light cigarettes off cooker rings
--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
― Leo Tolstoy
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <mn1d1nF9s1jU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77037 |
On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 11:54:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 05/11/2025 07:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2025-11-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 04/11/2025 04:26, Ian wrote: >>> >>>>> Anyway, at minimum, this would be for 'open field' use where >>>>> glare would be less of an issue. Turn it on inside your house >>>>> and, remember those old magnesium/O2 camera flashbulbs ? >>>> >>>> Weren't they aluminum? >>> >>> No. >>> >>> I had a reel of magnesium tape as a boy. It didnt last long >> >> One day in the chem lab I wanted to light a Bunsen burner but didn't >> have a proper lighter or matches. So I dropped a small piece of >> potassium into a beaker of water, used that to light a piece of >> magnesium ribbon, and used that to light the Bunsen burner. >> >> The things you can do when no one is looking... >> > I used to light cigarettes off cooker rings Back in the '70s I had to go to a LNG processing plant to check out the controller for the lube system. I smoked at the time and thought it was going to be a long day. Not so. There were little ceramic lighters throughout the shop that when tilted lit up an element like a car lighter. Open flames were forbidden but smoking wasn't a problem. I'm glad I stopped smoking in the late '70s before smokers began to be treated like lepers.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <SeycnToagu6YjpH0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77041 |
On 11/5/25 11:41, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 11:54:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 05/11/2025 07:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2025-11-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On 04/11/2025 04:26, Ian wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Anyway, at minimum, this would be for 'open field' use where >>>>>> glare would be less of an issue. Turn it on inside your house >>>>>> and, remember those old magnesium/O2 camera flashbulbs ? >>>>> >>>>> Weren't they aluminum? >>>> >>>> No. >>>> >>>> I had a reel of magnesium tape as a boy. It didnt last long >>> >>> One day in the chem lab I wanted to light a Bunsen burner but didn't >>> have a proper lighter or matches. So I dropped a small piece of >>> potassium into a beaker of water, used that to light a piece of >>> magnesium ribbon, and used that to light the Bunsen burner. >>> >>> The things you can do when no one is looking... >>> >> I used to light cigarettes off cooker rings > > Back in the '70s I had to go to a LNG processing plant to check out the > controller for the lube system. I smoked at the time and thought it was > going to be a long day. Not so. There were little ceramic lighters > throughout the shop that when tilted lit up an element like a car lighter. > Open flames were forbidden but smoking wasn't a problem. With gas, the open flame is BAD, but a hot coal isn't nearly so bad. > I'm glad I stopped smoking in the late '70s before smokers began to be > treated like lepers. Group discrimination ??? It's your DUTY to start smoking again !!! Protest ! Blow it in their delicate faces !!! Note that if it's reefer instead of tobacco then it's all OK :-) Somebody political IS pushing "Soma" ... numb the masses ........
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <A6QOQ.1450114$xYr1.841995@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #77037 |
On 2025-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 05/11/2025 07:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2025-11-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 04/11/2025 04:26, Ian wrote: >>> >>>>> Anyway, at minimum, this would be for 'open field' use >>>>> where glare would be less of an issue. Turn it on inside >>>>> your house and, remember those old magnesium/O2 camera >>>>> flashbulbs ? >>>> >>>> Weren't they aluminum? >>> >>> No. >>> >>> I had a reel of magnesium tape as a boy. It didnt last long >> >> One day in the chem lab I wanted to light a Bunsen burner but >> didn't have a proper lighter or matches. So I dropped a small >> piece of potassium into a beaker of water, used that to light >> a piece of magnesium ribbon, and used that to light the Bunsen >> burner. >> >> The things you can do when no one is looking... > > I used to light cigarettes off cooker rings It's only a small step from there to hot-knifing hash. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <SeycnTQagu5FhZH0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77045 |
On 11/5/25 17:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 05/11/2025 07:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2025-11-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On 04/11/2025 04:26, Ian wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Anyway, at minimum, this would be for 'open field' use >>>>>> where glare would be less of an issue. Turn it on inside >>>>>> your house and, remember those old magnesium/O2 camera >>>>>> flashbulbs ? >>>>> >>>>> Weren't they aluminum? >>>> >>>> No. >>>> >>>> I had a reel of magnesium tape as a boy. It didnt last long >>> >>> One day in the chem lab I wanted to light a Bunsen burner but >>> didn't have a proper lighter or matches. So I dropped a small >>> piece of potassium into a beaker of water, used that to light >>> a piece of magnesium ribbon, and used that to light the Bunsen >>> burner. >>> >>> The things you can do when no one is looking... >> >> I used to light cigarettes off cooker rings > > It's only a small step from there to hot-knifing hash. Daytime, lit many using a little magnifying glass :-) Hmmm ... can't find an exact equiv anymore ... used to have a little plastic rectangle you put lighter fluid or gasoline or alcohol into. A metal 'match' screwed in tight. To light you'd unscrew the 'match' and strike it against a sort of flint strip on the side of the device. There are modern ones - have a couple - but they are notably bulkier and often don't strike nearly as well as the 70s version. These days, being old, I always have a little magnifying glass in my pocket to read the Fine Print on things :-) The 1.25" ones that slide into a leather sleeve are ideal, nice and flat.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <gacutlxv9i.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77057 |
On 2025-11-06 04:41, c186282 wrote: > On 11/5/25 17:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2025-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > These days, being old, I always have a little magnifying > glass in my pocket to read the Fine Print on things :-) > The 1.25" ones that slide into a leather sleeve are ideal, > nice and flat. I use the phone for that. Amazing zoom. :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <JtCdnfrp6rCfvZD0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77067 |
On 11/6/25 06:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-06 04:41, c186282 wrote: >> On 11/5/25 17:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2025-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > >> These days, being old, I always have a little magnifying >> glass in my pocket to read the Fine Print on things :-) >> The 1.25" ones that slide into a leather sleeve are ideal, >> nice and flat. > > I use the phone for that. Amazing zoom. :-) So ... a $1100 high tech fix instead of a $2.95 thin and near-indestructible little lens ? :-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <9gvvtlxip1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77076 |
On 2025-11-06 23:24, c186282 wrote: > On 11/6/25 06:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-11-06 04:41, c186282 wrote: >>> On 11/5/25 17:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> On 2025-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> >>> These days, being old, I always have a little magnifying >>> glass in my pocket to read the Fine Print on things :-) >>> The 1.25" ones that slide into a leather sleeve are ideal, >>> nice and flat. >> >> I use the phone for that. Amazing zoom. :-) > > So ... a $1100 high tech fix instead of > a $2.95 thin and near-indestructible > little lens ? :-) I don't pay that lot for a phone. Mine is less than 300. Actually, it is not paying 300 for a magnifying glass (or plastic, these days). It is that a mobile phone now days fills many roles, so that I don't have to carry that many tools as before. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <SeycnTkagu5XkJH0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77037 |
On 11/5/25 06:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 05/11/2025 07:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2025-11-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 04/11/2025 04:26, Ian wrote: >>> >>>>> Anyway, at minimum, this would be for 'open field' use >>>>> where glare would be less of an issue. Turn it on inside >>>>> your house and, remember those old magnesium/O2 camera >>>>> flashbulbs ? >>>> >>>> Weren't they aluminum? >>> >>> No. >>> >>> I had a reel of magnesium tape as a boy. It didnt last long >> >> One day in the chem lab I wanted to light a Bunsen burner but >> didn't have a proper lighter or matches. So I dropped a small >> piece of potassium into a beaker of water, used that to light >> a piece of magnesium ribbon, and used that to light the Bunsen >> burner. >> >> The things you can do when no one is looking... >> > I used to light cigarettes off cooker rings Many many times myself :-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Flashlights |
| Message-ID | <b50ptlx2g8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77011 |
On 2025-11-03 23:48, c186282 wrote: > On 11/3/25 16:30, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-11-03 21:40, c186282 wrote: >>> On 11/3/25 15:04, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 13:05:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> or even >> >> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CRHRJWMC> >> >>> >>> (note US links may not work in the UK/EU) >> >> Oh, they work. But it may say not available to your country. As long >> as I don't change delivery address. I block Amazon cookies in this >> profile. >> >> >> But that flashlight is amazing! And expensive. > > > VERY expensive ... but if you just HAVE to own The Brightest > then, well, money won't stand it the way, hmm ? :-) > > The 100,000 luman mini version sells for half the price. > >> I don't think it is practical, though. That intense light will create >> glare to the user, you have to distance yourself from the light >> source, to another angle. In the videos, they have to point it >> upwards, and use the reflection back. > > How many lumens before you have a 'photonic weapon' ? :-) On one of the videos, they put the lamp close to some object, rags or paper, and it catches fire in seconds. It is already a weapon. Looking at it is dangerous. I can find it in amazon.es, but it is listed as "not available". There are no comments in Spanish, thus probably nobody bought it. > > Anyway, at minimum, this would be for 'open field' use > where glare would be less of an issue. Turn it on inside > your house and, remember those old magnesium/O2 camera > flashbulbs ? Much worse. Open air, with a tiny bit of fog, as is usual around here, being near to the sea, and you'd get a tremendous glare back. If you have to illuminate something, it is more practical a number of light sources, distributed. For the police or armed forces, trying to find a fugitive from an helicopter, ok. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Blade runner |
| Message-ID | <u3mntlxc8l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77007 |
On 2025-11-03 21:04, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 13:05:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> >> Gosh. No idea that people were actually doing this. :-o > > https://www.offgridweb.com/preparation/72000-lumen-diy-flashlight/ Wow. 72,000 Lm! Huh, the video the article includes at the end doesn't work for me, static black. I asked google about car high lights. AI Overview Car headlights range from 700 to over 12,000 lumens, depending on the technology. For example, a typical halogen bulb provides around 700–1,500 lumens, while HID and LED bulbs are brighter, ranging from approximately 3,000 to 8,000 lumens or more, and some high-powered LED systems can reach 12,000 lumens or higher. Laser headlights are the most powerful, capable of exceeding 10,000 lumens. No wonder some car beams are blinding. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10fl474$2etoh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76875 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:41:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I know all that, but I do complain. I can accept the city being dark, >> but interiors being dark, no way. Heck, we invented the LED. my >> interiors are brighter than they ever were. > > I wonder about the cop/crime shows where the cops wander around in a dark > apartment using flashlights. Usually there are light switches next to the > door and they lost the element of surprise when the kicked the door down. > > Again I think they have one set and it's easier to recycle it if you don't > get a good look at it. Also, a "dark interior" provides more "suspense and surprise" when the cop turns a corner on the set and finds an actor playing a criminal crouching at the end of a dark hallway with a gun. So likely some of both go into the mindset.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e3g69$rpu5$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76864 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:41:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-31 05:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:35:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I complained of that with the original Blade Runner movie. Why has the >>> future to be dark? Surely they will have invented good lighting >>> sources. >> >> There are things you could complain about in “Blade Runner” (gratuitous >> violence), but surely not that: the look of the film, conceived by Syd >> Mead and Ridley Scott, with advanced yet shabby and well-used >> technology, the vast, towering, dirty city, the melding of Eastern and >> Western cultures ... that had a major influence on other aspiring >> sci-fi moviemakers, I would say on a par with “2001: A Space Odyssey”. > > I know all that, but I do complain. I can accept the city being dark, > but interiors being dark, no way. Heck, we invented the LED. my > interiors are brighter than they ever were. One obvious reason is: it makes for cooler pictures. Also helped by spreading a lot of fine smoke around. Another reason was mentioned on IMDB: there was limited budget to build some of the sets, so lowering the lighting was one way to hide the fact that they would have looked cheap. Maybe the second reason was the primary driver, and the first reason came out of it as a happy accident. ;)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmlkduF9aa3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76884 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 23:19:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Another reason was mentioned on IMDB: there was limited budget to build > some of the sets, so lowering the lighting was one way to hide the fact > that they would have looked cheap. I'd never seen that officially mentioned but I assumed that was the case.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100 |
| Subject | Blade runner. |
| Message-ID | <aiehtlxomn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76884 |
On 2025-11-01 00:19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:41:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-10-31 05:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:35:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> I complained of that with the original Blade Runner movie. Why has the >>>> future to be dark? Surely they will have invented good lighting >>>> sources. >>> >>> There are things you could complain about in “Blade Runner” (gratuitous >>> violence), but surely not that: the look of the film, conceived by Syd >>> Mead and Ridley Scott, with advanced yet shabby and well-used >>> technology, the vast, towering, dirty city, the melding of Eastern and >>> Western cultures ... that had a major influence on other aspiring >>> sci-fi moviemakers, I would say on a par with “2001: A Space Odyssey”. >> >> I know all that, but I do complain. I can accept the city being dark, >> but interiors being dark, no way. Heck, we invented the LED. my >> interiors are brighter than they ever were. > > One obvious reason is: it makes for cooler pictures. Also helped by > spreading a lot of fine smoke around. > > Another reason was mentioned on IMDB: there was limited budget to build > some of the sets, so lowering the lighting was one way to hide the fact > that they would have looked cheap. > > Maybe the second reason was the primary driver, and the first reason came > out of it as a happy accident. ;) Yes, I can accept that. Doesn't nullify my grumbling, just explains why they did it. The "author" of the fiction. You still need a fictional reason for the future interiors being dark, like electricity being very expensive. But in our reality, light sources are dirt cheap, the cost of the electricity for lighting a house is negligible compared to heating or cooking. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Blade runner. |
| Message-ID | <10e5olo$1h87f$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76906 |
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:29:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > You still need a fictional reason for the future interiors being dark, > like electricity being very expensive. Not really. You can often just handwave things away, or even not bother mentioning them. It’s called “artistic licence”. Why did the women of Moonbase wear purple wigs in “UFO”? Because Sylvia Anderson got whole of a bunch of them cheap, and thought they would look neat. A nuclear engine like the one on the “Discovery” spacecraft in “2001: A Space Odyssey” would have needed large radiating fins to get rid of the heat. But Clarke & Kubrick didn’t want the audience spending half the film wondering why a spacecraft needed wings, so they got rid of them. > But in our reality, light sources are dirt cheap, the cost of > the electricity for lighting a house is negligible compared to heating > or cooking. Since you mention that, it seems some people in the USA, near to where these new, massive, electricity-intensive AI datacentres are being set up, are discovering their power bills are getting more expensive.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Blade runner. |
| Message-ID | <gACdnRvgspK3K5v0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76917 |
On 11/1/25 15:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:29:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> You still need a fictional reason for the future interiors being dark, >> like electricity being very expensive. > > Not really. You can often just handwave things away, or even not bother > mentioning them. It’s called “artistic licence”. Fashion changes. About 1970, all the neighbors bought day-glo "mod" furnishings (painful to use) and put in trac-lighting. There'd be a lava lamp in a corner shelf, just above the gigantic 25" COLOR television. The entire room would be covered in plastic unless 'company' was visiting. All the neighborhood kids basically lived at MY house, all-organic, lived-in, ok for dogs and cats and kids. A few, the parents would actually lock the kids out of the house after school until they got off work - they might make a MESS after all !!! Mom grew up on a farm - no pretense in her 'design choices'. Houses are for LIVING IN, not for show unless you're the zillionaire set. :-) Oh, aesthetic malfunction ? ONE neighbor had kind of glow-green mod furnishings and a bright ORANGE shaggy carpet ... kind of hurt the eyes ..... Anyway, the Runner 'dark look' ... I'd put that down to 'current fashions', not a power shortage :-) Current-day ... LED lights are very efficient. They are now combining 'quantum dots' into some of the designs which makes even more lumens/watt. https://www.crled-us.com/quantum-dot-led-breakthrough-enhances-energy-efficiency/ We'd like to see a clean 90% efficiency ... and that may come pretty soon.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <7mehtlxomn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76864 |
On 2025-10-31 14:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-31 05:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:35:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I complained of that with the original Blade Runner movie. Why has the >>> future to be dark? Surely they will have invented good lighting sources. >> >> There are things you could complain about in “Blade Runner” (gratuitous >> violence), but surely not that: the look of the film, conceived by Syd >> Mead and Ridley Scott, with advanced yet shabby and well-used technology, >> the vast, towering, dirty city, the melding of Eastern and Western >> cultures ... that had a major influence on other aspiring sci-fi >> moviemakers, I would say on a par with “2001: A Space Odyssey”. >> >> RIP Philip K Dick, SF novelist who wrote--and lived--right on the edge of >> sanity a lot of the time, and who died before production was completed. >> >> Also RIP Rutger Hauer, who died in 2019, the year the movie was set in. > > I know all that, but I do complain. I can accept the city being dark, > but interiors being dark, no way. Heck, we invented the LED. my > interiors are brighter than they ever were. To be clear, I voiced this complaint as I exited the theatre back in the day. The explanations came later. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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