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  Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-04 06:19 +0000
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 07:52 +0100
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:45 -0400
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:22 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:08 +0100
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:04 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 13:56 +0000
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 17:45 +0100
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:47 +0100
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:46 +0100
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:34 +0200
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:16 +0100
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 20:31 +0200
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:45 +0100
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:45 +1000
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:52 +0200
                        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:34 +0100
                        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 08:47 +1000
                          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-08 04:06 +0000
                            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 07:54 +0000
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:03 +0000
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:49 +0100
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 04:26 +0000
                        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:15 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-06 08:59 +1000
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:25 -0400
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:55 +0100
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:10 +0000
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:02 +0100
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:53 +0100
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:13 +0000
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:08 +0100
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 03:52 +0000
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:12 +0100
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:40 +1000
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:21 +0200
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:18 +0100
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 09:27 +1000
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:02 +0100
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 18:55 +0200
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-07 17:13 +0000
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:32 +0200
                        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
                          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 22:04 +0200
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 19:24 +0000
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon [OT] "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:30 +0200
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:46 +0100
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 09:39 +1000
                        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:52 +0100
                          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 18:53 +0000
                            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-09 03:45 -0400
                              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 13:53 +0100
                              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-09 18:18 +0000
                    [OT] Paywalling health services (was: Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 10:59 +0100
                      Re: [OT] Paywalling health services The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 13:02 +0100
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 09:21 +1000
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:43 +0100
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 18:42 +0000
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 07:00 +0000
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 08:45 +0100
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:23 +0000
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 18:43 +0100
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:18 -0400
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:27 +0100
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:00 +0100
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:56 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:10 -0400
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:29 +0100
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:18 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:49 +0100
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:47 -0400
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 06:03 +0000
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 03:34 -0400
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:17 +0100
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:10 +0100
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:24 +0100
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:30 +0000
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:14 -0400
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:51 +0100
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-04 15:04 +0200
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 17:03 +0100
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 01:53 -0400
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:47 +0200
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:51 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:57 +0100
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 20:14 +0200
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:49 +0100
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:15 +0100
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:22 +0000
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:39 +0100
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:27 +0000
                        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:38 +0100
                          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-08-07 13:35 +0100
                            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 14:10 +0100
                              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-08-07 15:02 +0100
                                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:32 +0100
                              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-08-07 11:01 -0700
                                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
                                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:37 +0100
                                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 19:35 +0000
                                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 22:48 -0400
                                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-08 09:01 +0200
                                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:24 +0100
                                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 20:47 -0400
                                      Pot metal - was something else The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 13:20 +0100
                                        Re: Pot metal - was something else "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-09 15:06 +0200
                                          Re: Pot metal - was something else The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 14:24 +0100
                                        Re: Pot metal - was something else rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-09 17:46 +0000
                            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-08-08 13:37 +0100
                              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-08 17:31 +0000
                              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 18:44 +0100
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 23:37 -0400
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 18:14 +0000
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:03 +0000
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:03 +0200
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:32 +0000
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:22 -0400
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:09 +0100
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:57 +0100
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-06 14:14 +0100
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:18 +0100
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-08-06 09:55 -0700
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:48 +0000
                  Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:42 +0000
                    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:43 +0100
                      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:26 +0000

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#89714

On 07/08/2026 20:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-07, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].
>>> Can't remember what it was.
>>
>> Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there
>> are so many things that can be made...
> 
> I've heard of a place called "Theory".  I want to move there,
> because so many things work in Theory.
> 
+1. That was a chuckle.

-- 
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

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#89709

On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 11:01:37 -0700, wmartin wrote:

> On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:
>>> On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a
>>>> hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a
>>>> specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually
>>>> exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix
>>>> "-ium
>>>
>>> Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not
>>> "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds
>>> like it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be
>>> extracted ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and
>>> electrolysis.
>>>
>>> I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
>>>
>>>
>> that is new to me.,..
>> 
>>> ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.
>>>
>> ...That isn't!
>> 
>> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].
>> Can't remember what it was.
>> 
> Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there
> are so many things that can be made...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamak

The present US penny is 97.5% zinc and 2.5% copper. Aluminum beer cans are 
readily available. Just saying, since it's probably illegal to melt 
pennies.

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#89722

e
On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote:
> On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:
>>> On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> "Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a 
>>>> hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a 
>>>> specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually 
>>>> exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix 
>>>> "-ium
>>>
>>> Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not 
>>> "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds 
>>> like it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be 
>>> extracted ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and 
>>> electrolysis.
>>>
>>> I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
>>>
>>
>> that is new to me.,..
>>
>>> ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.
>>>
>> ...That isn't!
>>
>> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. 
>> Can't remember what it was.
>>
> Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there 
> are so many things that can be made...

   In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for
   a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows-
   what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent
   recipe.

   IS good enough for low-stress housings and such
   however and easy to cast/machine. Better than
   plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or
   steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO.

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#89734

On 2026-08-08 04:48, c186282 wrote:
> e
> On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote:
>> On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


>>> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting]. 
>>> Can't remember what it was.
>>>
>> Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", 
>> there are so many things that can be made...
> 
>    In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for
>    a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows-
>    what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent
>    recipe.
> 
>    IS good enough for low-stress housings and such
>    however and easy to cast/machine. Better than
>    plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or
>    steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO.

I think I have seen motors used in kitchens have very cracked metal 
housings. Probably this pot metal.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89745

On 08/08/2026 08:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-08 04:48, c186282 wrote:
>> e
>> On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote:
>>> On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy 
>>>> casting]. Can't remember what it was.
>>>>
>>> Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", 
>>> there are so many things that can be made...
>>
>>    In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for
>>    a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows-
>>    what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent
>>    recipe.
>>
>>    IS good enough for low-stress housings and such
>>    however and easy to cast/machine. Better than
>>    plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or
>>    steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO.
> 
> I think I have seen motors used in kitchens have very cracked metal 
> housings. Probably this pot metal.
> 
Yes.  As someone else said, we didn't call it 'muckite' for nothing.
It is a very cheap way to do reasonably high finish castings. Was used a 
lot for e.g. 'Dinky/corgi Toys'

Also a lot for low grade industrial casting as you have noted. Now 
rather more likely to have been replaced by plastic in e.g. car 
thermostat housings



-- 
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will 
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such 
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic 
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally 
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for 
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the 
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

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#89773

On 8/8/26 03:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-08 04:48, c186282 wrote:
>> e
>> On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote:
>>> On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy 
>>>> casting]. Can't remember what it was.
>>>>
>>> Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", 
>>> there are so many things that can be made...
>>
>>    In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for
>>    a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows-
>>    what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent
>>    recipe.
>>
>>    IS good enough for low-stress housings and such
>>    however and easy to cast/machine. Better than
>>    plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or
>>    steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO.
> 
> I think I have seen motors used in kitchens have very cracked metal 
> housings. Probably this pot metal.

   Very likely - and I've seen such cheap motors before.

   The alloy does not seem very resistant to vibration.
   It's soft enough you'd THINK it would be, but its not.

   Most aluminum alloys and 300 series stainless are
   not super-good with vibrations either - though
   better than 'pot metal'. I've seen 'magnesium' tire
   rims crack too.

   Only steel - esp nearly pure iron - seems to stand
   up to vibration, but it's HEAVY. Some cast iron,
   like that previously used for engine blocks, can
   be pretty good but will fracture on a sharp impact.
   I've seen old cracked engine blocks too.

   Plastics - they start 'crystalizing'/decomposing
   the instant they're made.

   So, alas, nothing 'perfect'. Not sure about titanium
   alloys but they're way too expensive and hard to work
   for most applications. Hey, pure gold doesn't stress
   harden/fracture !  :-)

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#89793 — Pot metal - was something else

On 09/08/2026 01:47, c186282 wrote:
>   The alloy does not seem very resistant to vibration.
>    It's soft enough you'd THINK it would be, but its not.
> 
The problem is mainly that its has no fixed composition, Its random non 
ferrous scarp mainly. Use a magnet to get the iron and steel and melt 
what is left over perhaps


>    Most aluminum alloys and 300 series stainless are
>    not super-good with vibrations either - though
>    better than 'pot metal'. I've seen 'magnesium' tire
>    rims crack too.
> 
Pot metal is heavy and brittle in my experience.

Came across it back in the day in toys, carburettor castings, thermostat 
housings..valve covers..all stuff that needed shape retention but no 
great strength

>    Only steel - esp nearly pure iron - seems to stand
>    up to vibration, but it's HEAVY. Some cast iron,
>    like that previously used for engine blocks, can
>    be pretty good but will fracture on a sharp impact.
>    I've seen old cracked engine blocks too.
> 
Cast iron is brittle.That's why they used to use wrought iron - but it 
was expensive.
Then making steel got super cheap and that was that. Whole generation 
learned to treat and alloy steel to get almost whatever you want

>    Plastics - they start 'crystalizing'/decomposing
>    the instant they're made.

Not all of them. Like steel, there is a huge range. There's many a radio 
case made of 'Bakelite' or stuff skinned with 'Formica'  or floored with 
'linoleum'....still functioning

Epoxy and glass fibre PCBs dating from the 1970s are still OK, as are 
phenolic resin items

PVC however is very short lived, In the sun

Nylon is intermediate - UV ageing often gets it

Jury is still out on polycarbonate, ABS  and ASA.

In fact one of the eco gripes about plastics is that they *don't* degrade.

Nevertheless there are plastic gobbling bugs thriving at the bottom of 
the sea apparently, eating all those microplastics.

Beware the SweepingStatement...



-- 
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

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#89802 — Re: Pot metal - was something else

On 2026-08-09 14:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 09/08/2026 01:47, c186282 wrote:
>>   The alloy does not seem very resistant to vibration.
>>    It's soft enough you'd THINK it would be, but its not.
>>
> The problem is mainly that its has no fixed composition, Its random non 
> ferrous scarp mainly. Use a magnet to get the iron and steel and melt 
> what is left over perhaps
> 
> 
>>    Most aluminum alloys and 300 series stainless are
>>    not super-good with vibrations either - though
>>    better than 'pot metal'. I've seen 'magnesium' tire
>>    rims crack too.
>>
> Pot metal is heavy and brittle in my experience.
> 
> Came across it back in the day in toys, carburettor castings, thermostat 
> housings..valve covers..all stuff that needed shape retention but no 
> great strength
> 
>>    Only steel - esp nearly pure iron - seems to stand
>>    up to vibration, but it's HEAVY. Some cast iron,
>>    like that previously used for engine blocks, can
>>    be pretty good but will fracture on a sharp impact.
>>    I've seen old cracked engine blocks too.
>>
> Cast iron is brittle.That's why they used to use wrought iron - but it 
> was expensive.
> Then making steel got super cheap and that was that. Whole generation 
> learned to treat and alloy steel to get almost whatever you want
> 
>>    Plastics - they start 'crystalizing'/decomposing
>>    the instant they're made.
> 
> Not all of them. Like steel, there is a huge range. There's many a radio 
> case made of 'Bakelite' or stuff skinned with 'Formica'  or floored with 
> 'linoleum'....still functioning
> 
> Epoxy and glass fibre PCBs dating from the 1970s are still OK, as are 
> phenolic resin items
> 
> PVC however is very short lived, In the sun

PVC is used here for window frames and blinds. I had a place with such, 
40 year old, and good. Yellowish, though. And more brittle.

> 
> Nylon is intermediate - UV ageing often gets it
> 
> Jury is still out on polycarbonate, ABS  and ASA.
> 
> In fact one of the eco gripes about plastics is that they *don't* degrade.

They fragment into microplastics.

> 
> Nevertheless there are plastic gobbling bugs thriving at the bottom of 
> the sea apparently, eating all those microplastics.
> 
> Beware the SweepingStatement...
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89803 — Re: Pot metal - was something else

On 09/08/2026 14:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-09 14:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 09/08/2026 01:47, c186282 wrote:
>>>   The alloy does not seem very resistant to vibration.
>>>    It's soft enough you'd THINK it would be, but its not.
>>>
>> The problem is mainly that its has no fixed composition, Its random 
>> non ferrous scarp mainly. Use a magnet to get the iron and steel and 
>> melt what is left over perhaps
>>
>>
>>>    Most aluminum alloys and 300 series stainless are
>>>    not super-good with vibrations either - though
>>>    better than 'pot metal'. I've seen 'magnesium' tire
>>>    rims crack too.
>>>
>> Pot metal is heavy and brittle in my experience.
>>
>> Came across it back in the day in toys, carburettor castings, 
>> thermostat housings..valve covers..all stuff that needed shape 
>> retention but no great strength
>>
>>>    Only steel - esp nearly pure iron - seems to stand
>>>    up to vibration, but it's HEAVY. Some cast iron,
>>>    like that previously used for engine blocks, can
>>>    be pretty good but will fracture on a sharp impact.
>>>    I've seen old cracked engine blocks too.
>>>
>> Cast iron is brittle.That's why they used to use wrought iron - but it 
>> was expensive.
>> Then making steel got super cheap and that was that. Whole generation 
>> learned to treat and alloy steel to get almost whatever you want
>>
>>>    Plastics - they start 'crystalizing'/decomposing
>>>    the instant they're made.
>>
>> Not all of them. Like steel, there is a huge range. There's many a 
>> radio case made of 'Bakelite' or stuff skinned with 'Formica'  or 
>> floored with 'linoleum'....still functioning
>>
>> Epoxy and glass fibre PCBs dating from the 1970s are still OK, as are 
>> phenolic resin items
>>
>> PVC however is very short lived, In the sun
> 
> PVC is used here for window frames and blinds. I had a place with such, 
> 40 year old, and good. Yellowish, though. And more brittle.
> 
That's UPVC - treaqted to reduce the effect, but not eliminate it

>>
>> Nylon is intermediate - UV ageing often gets it
>>
>> Jury is still out on polycarbonate, ABS  and ASA.
>>
>> In fact one of the eco gripes about plastics is that they *don't* 
>> degrade.
> 
> They fragment into microplastics.
> 
>>
>> Nevertheless there are plastic gobbling bugs thriving at the bottom of 
>> the sea apparently, eating all those microplastics.
>>
>> Beware the SweepingStatement...
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

-- 
“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established 
authorities are wrong.”

― Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV

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#89808 — Re: Pot metal - was something else

On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:20:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Not all of them. Like steel, there is a huge range. There's many a radio
> case made of 'Bakelite' or stuff skinned with 'Formica'  or floored with
> 'linoleum'....still functioning
> 
> Epoxy and glass fibre PCBs dating from the 1970s are still OK, as are
> phenolic resin items

Thermosets are cross-linked and more stable than thermoplastics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermosetting_polymer

The systems I worked with used thermosetting compounds, typically 
phenolic, expoxy, melamine, or furan.  The last was a stopgap measure. The 
oil embargo had a great impact on the petrochemical industry and material 
was difficult to source. Furan is based on furfural, typically produced 
from corncobs. Like most stopgaps it didn't have the strength of phenols 
or epoxies, The flow characteristics were different and moldmakers had to 
adapt. 

Thermoplastics are a different animal. I worked briefly for a company that 
made polystyrene foam disposable dinnerware. One advantage of 
thermoplastics is you can regrind your mistakes. The blowing agent was 
Freon-12 and the company bought it by the railway tank car. That's another 
'was' company on my resume, to say nothing of the CFC process.

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#89755

On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:
> I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
> 
> ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.

The late, great, Terry Pratchett wrote of "Narrativium", which he said 
was the raw material from which stories are constructed.

... there's also "Corium", which is the name given by nuclear engineers 
to the the material created in the core of a nuclear reactor that is 
(inadvisedly) allowed to melt down ... as has happened at Three Mile 
Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)

-- 
Cheers,
  Daniel.

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#89756

On 2026-08-08, Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:
>
>> I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
>> 
>> ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.
>
> The late, great, Terry Pratchett wrote of "Narrativium", which he said 
> was the raw material from which stories are constructed.
>
> ... there's also "Corium", which is the name given by nuclear engineers 
> to the the material created in the core of a nuclear reactor that is 
> (inadvisedly) allowed to melt down ... as has happened at Three Mile 
> Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)

I guess it's time to revive this old chestnut:

Thu Apr 19 05:56:05 1990
Message : #583740    From: kees@bode.ee.ualberta.ca
Group   : NET.Humour
Length  : 299 words
Subject : New Element Discovered!!

Msg-ID: <50@bode.ee.ualberta.ca>
Posted: 18 Apr 90 19:17:59 GMT

Org.  : University of Alberta Electrical Engineering
Person: Kees denHartigh


          New Element Discovered at NRC Research Centre

The heaviest element know to science was recently discovered by
Physicists at the NRC Research Center. The element, tentatively
named Administratium, has no protons or electrons and thus has
an atomic number of 0. However, it does have 1 neutron, 125
assistant neutrons, 75 vice neutrons and 111 assistant vice neutrons.
This gives it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held
together in a nucleus by a force that involves the continuous exchange
of meson-like particles called morons.

Since it has no electrons, Administratium is inert. However, it can
be detected chemically as it impedes every reaction with which it
comes in contact. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of
Administratium caused one reaction to take over 4 days to complete,
when normally it would occur in less than 1 second.

Adminstratium has a normal half life of approximately 3 years, at
which time it does not actually decay, but instead, undergoes a
reorganization in which assistant neutrons, vice neutrons and assistant
vice neutrons exchange places. Some studies have shown that the atomic
weight actually increases after each reorganization.

Research at other laboratories indicates that Administratium occurs
naturally in the atmosphere. It tends to concentrate at certain points
such as Government agencies, large corporations, universities and NRC.
Administratium can be found in the newest, best maintained buildings.

Scientists point out that Administratuim is known to be toxic at any
level of concentration and can easily destroy any productive reactions
where it is allowed to accumulate. Attempts are being made to determine
how Administratium can be controlled to prevent irreversible damage, but
results to date are not promising.

Kees denHartigh                         kees@bode.ee.ualberta.ca
Electrical Engineering Digital Labs     alberta!bode!kees
University of Alberta 238 Civil Elect   Voice (403)492-5421
Edmonton, Alberta Canada                Fax   (403)492-1811

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#89759

On 08/08/2026 13:37, Daniel James wrote:
> On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:
>> I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
>>
>> ... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.
> 
> The late, great, Terry Pratchett wrote of "Narrativium", which he said 
> was the raw material from which stories are constructed.
> 
> ... there's also "Corium", which is the name given by nuclear engineers 
> to the the material created in the core of a nuclear reactor that is 
> (inadvisedly) allowed to melt down ... as has happened at Three Mile 
> Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)
> 
But Corium is real and exists. And nasty

-- 
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper 
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating 
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its 
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of 
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must 
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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#89674

On 8/6/26 05:12, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 19:49:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> PSUs are generic
>> But Pi zeros are unobtanium right now, except at silly money
>>
>> I can wait. I think I have a spare one somewhere
> 
> 'unobtanium', I love it when I learn a new word/expression. If I could
> only remember it, so I can use it myself some day. (-:
> 
> I did a quick search yesterday and found 2 Dutch and 2 Belgian stores
> that still had them in stock for under 20 euro. But those were Zero W,
> not Zero 2 W. I didn't check if they shipped internationally, probably
> not, so they're of no use to many people here.

   I managed to score two of them, 2Ws, but the price
   went up $25 USD between buying the first and second -
   just a few weeks diff.

   Don't even see the one with the pre-soldered pins
   anymore. The more expensive one CAME with pins, but
   you have to solder them on yourself.

   Today - "CanaKit" Pi5 at $259. Was less than half
   that 18 months ago. "Kit" (box + a few options)
   from various makers running $354 to $209. The
   higher RAM versions seem especially affected
   since basically all memory-makers shifted
   production to "AI"-friendly stuff.

   How are we supposed to use "AI" when we can't
   even afford, FIND, laptops and such because
   there's no damned MEMORY ???

   The tariff shit is PARTIALLY responsible, but
   frankly the "AI" angle seems even WORSE.

   Two years ago I was able to buy complete mini-box
   PCs (BeeLink, BMax) for $250 and they had good
   specs. Have several in various roles. But NOW ...

   Note PI4 kits ... which in some respects I like
   better (max speed and gizmos ain't everything) ...
   are about $100 less. So, if you want PI, consider
   the 4s right now. They're good enough to stream
   2k, sometimes 4k, video.

   "Bare" - Amazon has a an 2gb Pi4 for $86. Alas
   the 4gb are hardly seen and 8gb ones not at all.

   Folks, this is A PROBLEM.

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#89701

On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 23:37:16 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Today - "CanaKit" Pi5 at $259. Was less than half that 18 months ago.
>    "Kit" (box + a few options) from various makers running $354 to $209.
>    The higher RAM versions seem especially affected since basically all
>    memory-makers shifted production to "AI"-friendly stuff.


CanaKit Raspberry Pi 5 Starter Kit PRO - Turbine Black (128GB Edition) 
(8GB RAM)
Order placed October 9, 2024
$135.99

'Buy it again' is indeed $259.95.  I don't think so.

amazon.com/BOSGAME-E5-Ryzen-Business-Office/dp/B0GQ43833C/
Ryzen 5300U 4C/ 8T, 8GB DDR4 256GB M.2 2280 SSD,
$259.99

The price history is interesting. The low for the last 30 days was $227.98 
but there was a spike to $359.59 around the end of July before falling 
back to $259.95. 

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#89616

On Wed, 05 Aug 2026 20:14:34 +0200, s|b wrote:

> That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who
> knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available
> again.)

DigiKey isn't that optimistic. They're saying sometime next year.

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#89625

On 5 Aug 2026 22:03:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 05 Aug 2026 20:14:34 +0200, s|b wrote:
> 
> > That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who
> > knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available
> > again.)
 
> DigiKey isn't that optimistic. They're saying sometime next year.

Yesterday, I did a quick search for Raspberry Pi Zero and found 2 Dutch
and 2 Belgian stores who still had them in stock and sold them under 20
euro. Just saying...

-- 
s|b

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#89646

On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 11:03:57 +0200, s|b wrote:

> On 5 Aug 2026 22:03:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2026 20:14:34 +0200, s|b wrote:
>> 
>> > That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who
>> > knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available
>> > again.)
>  
>> DigiKey isn't that optimistic. They're saying sometime next year.
> 
> Yesterday, I did a quick search for Raspberry Pi Zero and found 2 Dutch
> and 2 Belgian stores who still had them in stock and sold them under 20
> euro. Just saying...

Perhaps the Dutch are more ethical. Obama's election triggered panic 
buying of ammunition that resulted in bare shelves. Many vendors 
maintained the current price but quickly exhausted their stock. One 
vendors which had been known as a cheap source had stock but raised prices 
almost hourly. When the market normalized many remembered the vendor who 
used the 'whatever the market will bear' philosophy. 

The extremely overpriced vendors on Amazon have an advantage. Next year 
they can return with a brand new name. I did note a new Amazon feature, a 
'high price alert' that suggested you might search a little further. The 
'price history' graph is also useful.

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#89622

On 8/5/26 14:14, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 18:57:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 05/08/2026 18:47, s|b wrote:
>>
>> € 13,99 ex VAT
> 
> That's what the site says, but the price you pay would be VAT included.
> AFAIK only business owners can buy ex VAT (in a Dutch shop).
>   
>> And out of stock
> 
> That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who
> knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available
> again.)
>   
>> The point is almost NO one has Pi zeros AT ALL right now. The price is
>> irrelevant
> 
> The OP is about the price, so I tend to disagree. I did however forgot 2
> things: tariffs and the power supply. That would have to be bought in
> the US. I have no clue what effect tariffs would have since Drumpf
> changes his mind like every 5 minutes on this.

   Hey, was JUST SAYIN' ... the ridiculous price
   was what I saw on US Amazon the other day.

   Pi0s were supposed to be DIRT CHEAP - now
   they're "exotic", EXPENSIVE, tech. This is
   not all 'tariffs' either. Pi stuff was always
   way over-priced if you bought it in the USA.

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#89627

On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 02:22:11 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Hey, was JUST SAYIN' ... the ridiculous price
>    was what I saw on US Amazon the other day.
> 
>    Pi0s were supposed to be DIRT CHEAP - now
>    they're "exotic", EXPENSIVE, tech. This is
>    not all 'tariffs' either. Pi stuff was always
>    way over-priced if you bought it in the USA.

Point taken.

-- 
s|b

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