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Ancient History

Started byrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
First post2026-08-25 04:41 +0000
Last post2026-08-28 08:59 +0100
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  Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 04:41 +0000
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 03:15 -0400
      Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 08:19 -0700
        Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 19:57 +0100
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:25 -0400
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:33 +0100
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:20 +0000
              Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:27 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:13 +0000
                  Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:24 -0400
                    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:03 +0000
                      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 23:47 -0400
                        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:54 +0000
                          Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 09:28 -0700
                            Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 18:53 +0100
                            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 20:58 +0000
                              Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 14:49 -0700
                        Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:11 +0100
    Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:41 +0200
      Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:53 +0100
        Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:54 +0100
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:25 +0000
        Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 14:23 +0200
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 03:28 -0400
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:12 +0100
              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:26 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:56 -0400
                  Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:00 +0100
                  Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:25 +0000
                    Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-27 21:48 +0000
                      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:26 -0400
                        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:59 +0000
                          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:05 +0100
                            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:02 +0000
                      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:06 -0400
                      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:08 +0100
                    Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                      Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-28 12:07 -0400
                        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:00 +0000
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:23 +0000
              Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:29 +0100
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:31 +0100
        Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-25 07:53 -0400
        Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:37 +0000
      Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:16 +0000
        Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:21 +0100
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:40 +0000
    Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:30 +0100
      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:49 -0400
    Re: Ancient History "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 20:07 +0800
    Re: Ancient History Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:20 -0400
      Re: Ancient History Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-25 17:44 +0000
      Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:55 +0000
    Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-27 08:59 +1000
      Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:20 +0000
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:38 -0400
          Re: Ancient History vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-27 08:08 +0000
            Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:13 -0400
              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:24 +0000
      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:21 -0400
        Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-28 08:58 +1000
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:36 -0400
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:42 +0000
            Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:37 -0400
            Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-29 07:40 +1000
    Re: Ancient History Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 08:59 +0100

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#90723

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-28 04:24 +0000
Message-ID<nfcgseFprcuU32@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90709
On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 22:13:11 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Heh heh ... X11 and friends did NOT just work out of the box back
>    then. No plug-n-play. Lots of odd config files to tweak and re-tweak
>    and re-tweak often with very minimal documentation.

One of the first things I do is switch the mouse buttons. A GUI is 
certainly nice compared to hunting down xorg.conf and trying to remember 
which pointer number was which. In the newer versions it's an InputDevice 
rather than Pointer.

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#90664

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-27 03:21 -0400
Message-ID<hwKdnfBu5K8ReBL3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90651
On 8/26/26 18:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> In my OCD quest to rejuvenate old machines I finally dug out the tower
>> buried under other junk out in the shed. Turns out it's a Compaq Presario
>> 4550. It has a 233 MHz AMD K6 that was AMDs challenge to the Pentium II.
>> It was pin compatible and could be used in a Socket 7 board. It has 48 MB
>> of RAM (no, that's not a typo) and a 4 GB HDD. For your computing
>> convenient, it has a 56K modem. There are 2 USB ports although I think it
>> expects the mouse and keyboard to be plugged into the PS2 ports.
> 
> Very modern compared to the 120MHz Pentium 1 I'm posting this from,
> running old Linux.
> 
>> Two distros that claim to run in 48 MB are Tiny Core and Slax. slax
>> specifies text only unless you have more RAM. Tiny Core isn't very
>> specific.
> 
> For current Tiny Core I don't think their standard boot to RAM
> method will fit in 48MB anymore, but if you do a manual "HDD
> install" it will boot with 20MB RAM, and then their default Xvesa
> TinyX server will probably work in 48MB.


   Linux IS just 'fatter' than DOS or CP/M ... no
   getting around it. For very old boards you
   really MAY be better off with DOS if you are
   seriously trying to squeeze things in.

   Linux is 'better' for MOST stuff ... but if
   your resources are VERY limited .....

   Sorry, NO 'panacea' ... gotta pick the best
   system for what YOU have/need at the moment.

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#90699

Fromnot@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Date2026-08-28 08:58 +1000
Message-ID<6a90c126@news.ausics.net>
In reply to#90664
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 8/26/26 18:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> In my OCD quest to rejuvenate old machines I finally dug out the tower
>>> buried under other junk out in the shed. Turns out it's a Compaq Presario
>>> 4550. It has a 233 MHz AMD K6 that was AMDs challenge to the Pentium II.
>>> It was pin compatible and could be used in a Socket 7 board. It has 48 MB
>>> of RAM (no, that's not a typo) and a 4 GB HDD. For your computing
>>> convenient, it has a 56K modem. There are 2 USB ports although I think it
>>> expects the mouse and keyboard to be plugged into the PS2 ports.
>> 
>> Very modern compared to the 120MHz Pentium 1 I'm posting this from,
>> running old Linux.
>> 
>>> Two distros that claim to run in 48 MB are Tiny Core and Slax. slax
>>> specifies text only unless you have more RAM. Tiny Core isn't very
>>> specific.
>> 
>> For current Tiny Core I don't think their standard boot to RAM
>> method will fit in 48MB anymore, but if you do a manual "HDD
>> install" it will boot with 20MB RAM, and then their default Xvesa
>> TinyX server will probably work in 48MB.
> 
> 
>   Linux IS just 'fatter' than DOS or CP/M ... no
>   getting around it. For very old boards you
>   really MAY be better off with DOS if you are
>   seriously trying to squeeze things in.

Well no, on this Pentium 1 I find old Linux most useful, but I do
sometimes find cause to boot to MSDOS or Win98. Often for running
software that works with old hardware devices.

If you've got an 8086 then of course you'll be looking at DOS
instead. But Linux is definitely an option for a Pentium II, even
if that one might want a RAM upgrade for running current versions
easily.

>   Linux is 'better' for MOST stuff ... but if
>   your resources are VERY limited .....

Modern Linux at least, but if you don't mind running very old
versions, BasicLinux is good for installing on the bare minimum of
hardware that ever ran Linux:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/

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#90724

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-28 00:36 -0400
Message-ID<wxednYU-UqrrjQz3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90699
On 8/27/26 18:58, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>> On 8/26/26 18:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> In my OCD quest to rejuvenate old machines I finally dug out the tower
>>>> buried under other junk out in the shed. Turns out it's a Compaq Presario
>>>> 4550. It has a 233 MHz AMD K6 that was AMDs challenge to the Pentium II.
>>>> It was pin compatible and could be used in a Socket 7 board. It has 48 MB
>>>> of RAM (no, that's not a typo) and a 4 GB HDD. For your computing
>>>> convenient, it has a 56K modem. There are 2 USB ports although I think it
>>>> expects the mouse and keyboard to be plugged into the PS2 ports.
>>>
>>> Very modern compared to the 120MHz Pentium 1 I'm posting this from,
>>> running old Linux.
>>>
>>>> Two distros that claim to run in 48 MB are Tiny Core and Slax. slax
>>>> specifies text only unless you have more RAM. Tiny Core isn't very
>>>> specific.
>>>
>>> For current Tiny Core I don't think their standard boot to RAM
>>> method will fit in 48MB anymore, but if you do a manual "HDD
>>> install" it will boot with 20MB RAM, and then their default Xvesa
>>> TinyX server will probably work in 48MB.
>>
>>
>>    Linux IS just 'fatter' than DOS or CP/M ... no
>>    getting around it. For very old boards you
>>    really MAY be better off with DOS if you are
>>    seriously trying to squeeze things in.
> 
> Well no, on this Pentium 1 I find old Linux most useful, but I do
> sometimes find cause to boot to MSDOS or Win98. Often for running
> software that works with old hardware devices.

   By Pentium we were all good. But 88/186/286 ...

   Have not seen anything being sold as 'computers'
   lately using those old chips ... but there ARE
   some 'industrial/control' boards, oft PC-104,
   which do and are STILL doing their things.

   DID come across some 'Z-80' kit boards on Amazon
   not too long ago. Old old chip, but still has its
   charms and uses in certain areas. No, you are
   not gonna run Linux on it.

> If you've got an 8086 then of course you'll be looking at DOS
> instead. But Linux is definitely an option for a Pentium II, even
> if that one might want a RAM upgrade for running current versions
> easily.
> 
>>    Linux is 'better' for MOST stuff ... but if
>>    your resources are VERY limited .....
> 
> Modern Linux at least, but if you don't mind running very old
> versions, BasicLinux is good for installing on the bare minimum of
> hardware that ever ran Linux:
> 
> http://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/

   That's probably the smallest/tightest Linux, but
   I'd have to research. Old, but if TINY is what
   you really need for yer Project-X. The MODEL is
   a bit weird however, runs UNDER a DOS system.

   Do look into Slitaz ... the very basic version is
   also pretty damned small - the equal of Puppy or
   DSL as terminal-only, but with a little more charm.

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#90725

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-28 04:42 +0000
Message-ID<nfcht1FprcuU33@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90699
On 28 Aug 2026 08:58:46 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> If you've got an 8086 then of course you'll be looking at DOS instead.
> But Linux is definitely an option for a Pentium II, even if that one
> might want a RAM upgrade for running current versions easily.

Amazingly Amazon has 512 MB SyncRAM listed. I'm not sure the BIOS wouldn't 
have a meltdown. It's been too long and I don't remember the specifics but 
I had one box where I couldn't use what was then the readily available and 
cheap hard drives because they were too big. I hit the local shops looking 
for a vintage drive and their answer was 'Nah, we just throw those in the 
dumpster if we get one.'

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#90730

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-28 02:37 -0400
Message-ID<wxednbk-UqpIsQz3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90725
On 8/28/26 00:42, rbowman wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2026 08:58:46 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> 
>> If you've got an 8086 then of course you'll be looking at DOS instead.
>> But Linux is definitely an option for a Pentium II, even if that one
>> might want a RAM upgrade for running current versions easily.
> 
> Amazingly Amazon has 512 MB SyncRAM listed. I'm not sure the BIOS wouldn't
> have a meltdown. It's been too long and I don't remember the specifics but
> I had one box where I couldn't use what was then the readily available and
> cheap hard drives because they were too big. I hit the local shops looking
> for a vintage drive and their answer was 'Nah, we just throw those in the
> dumpster if we get one.'

   Put down a deposit. Have them KEEP the drives and
   call you.

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#90785

Fromnot@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Date2026-08-29 07:40 +1000
Message-ID<6a920055@news.ausics.net>
In reply to#90725
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2026 08:58:46 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> I had one box where I couldn't use what was then the readily available and 
> cheap hard drives because they were too big. I hit the local shops looking 
> for a vintage drive and their answer was 'Nah, we just throw those in the 
> dumpster if we get one.'

Some drives had a jumper setting to limit their capacity to under
the point where some BIOSs got confused.

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#90737

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-08-28 08:59 +0100
Message-ID<nfctatFgb90U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90485
rbowman wrote:

> I finally dug out the tower buried under other junk out in the shed.
> Turns out it's a Compaq Presario 4550. It has a 233 MHz AMD K6 that
> was AMDs challenge to the Pentium II.

Over the years I have turfed-out numerous machines, there are a couple 
of servers wish I'd had the space to keep (DEC Alphaserver 2100a, HP 
9000/800-F10) and one VAXserver 3300 that I have kept.  The only 
"normal" PC I've kept the components from is an ABIT BP6 ...

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