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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-10-16 15:45 +0000 |
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The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 15:45 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-16 16:56 +0100
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 17:08 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-16 19:13 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 13:29 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-17 13:51 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-17 14:19 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 19:37 +0200
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:25 +0100
Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-18 11:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:20 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:25 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:31 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:23 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-18 13:35 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:45 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:41 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 00:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-19 09:26 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 14:17 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:11 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:38 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 03:52 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-19 03:56 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 05:58 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:41 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 03:03 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:49 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:49 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:29 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 01:59 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:15 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-19 00:44 -0400
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:54 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:27 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:38 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:26 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:59 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:36 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:55 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-10-18 19:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:41 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-10-19 00:15 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:02 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:18 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 01:52 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:48 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:42 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:20 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-10-20 08:39 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:49 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:21 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 19:04 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 14:07 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-18 11:45 -0700
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 19:27 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:30 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:06 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 19:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 19:32 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-18 19:37 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:20 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:40 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 21:00 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 03:03 +0100
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 02:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) |
| Message-ID | <11b3u88$1lgro$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94252 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 21:41:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I'm now fully bilingual in distances and temperature. Temperature scales in common use are arbitrary, anyway. Having done some undergrad physics, I prefer a scale where zero means zero; i.e. why we don’t just use Kelvin for temperature measurements, and be done with it. > The one thing that really pisses me off is gas mileage: it was > flipped upside-down (miles per gallon to litres per 100 km), so you > can't just apply a conversion factor like you can with other units. The trip computer inside my car shows km/l. It seems to me “litres per 100 km” is a somewhat awkward thing to write and say: simpler to use “cl/km”, since the numbers are exactly the same. Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least, European ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as wine, anyway. ;)
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 02:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) |
| Message-ID | <0pfBS.47323$WeM.27759@fx02.iad> |
| In reply to | #94266 |
On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least, European > ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as wine, anyway. > ;) One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs. They are marked "50 cL". -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 03:52 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) |
| Message-ID | <11b4465$1nk3h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94273 |
On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:38:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least, >> European ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as >> wine, anyway. ;) > > One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs. They are marked > "50 cL". Capital L? Tisk-tisk ...
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 03:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) |
| Message-ID | <_xgBS.185543$2tx2.33707@fx24.iad> |
| In reply to | #94282 |
On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:38:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least, >>> European ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as >>> wine, anyway. ;) >> >> One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs. They are marked >> "50 cL". > > Capital L? > > Tisk-tisk ... Actually, now that you mention it, it was "cl" (all lower case). -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 05:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) |
| Message-ID | <11b4bhb$1pprk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94284 |
On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 03:56:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:38:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least, >>>> European ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as >>>> wine, anyway. ;) >>> >>> One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs. They are >>> marked "50 cL". >> >> Capital L? >> >> Tisk-tisk ... > > Actually, now that you mention it, it was "cl" (all lower case). I do frequently see it uppercased. I suppose they think the lower-case “l” looks like “I” or “1” or something. My answer to that is, “pick a better font”.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 02:41 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <11b6gs9$2jehe$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94291 |
On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 03:56:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:38:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least,
>>>>> European ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as
>>>>> wine, anyway. ;)
>>>>
>>>> One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs. They are
>>>> marked "50 cL".
>>>
>>> Capital L?
>>>
>>> Tisk-tisk ...
>>
>> Actually, now that you mention it, it was "cl" (all lower case).
>
> I do frequently see it uppercased. I suppose they think the lower-case
> “l” looks like “I” or “1” or something.
>
> My answer to that is, “pick a better font”.
While that seems to be the reasoning behind the exception, "L" *is* a
valid standard symbol for that unit.
Ǥ5.1 Unit symbols
=================
Unit symbols are printed in roman (upright) type regardless of the
type used in the surrounding text. They are printed in lower-case
letters unless they are derived from a proper name, in which case
the first letter is a capital letter.
An exception, adopted by the 16th CGPM (1979, Resolution 6), is that
either capital L or lower-case l is allowed for the litre, in order
to avoid possible confusion between the numeral 1 (one) and the
lower-case letter l (el).
[...]»
-- /The International System of Units (SI)/,
Bureau International des Poids et Mesures
p130 (PDF page 136),
<https://www.bipm.org/documents/20126/41483022/si_brochure_8.pdf>
--
Nuno Silva
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| From | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 03:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) |
| Message-ID | <18dfcf39c598e44c$5115$2588883$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #94266 |
On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:11:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > > Temperature scales in common use are arbitrary, anyway. Having done > some undergrad physics, I prefer a scale where zero means zero; i.e. > why we don’t just use Kelvin for temperature measurements, and be done > with it. > The Celsius scale is just a shifted Kelvin scale, with the shift factor being 273.15. But how many common folk think in terms of degrees above absolute zero (which was a concept only developed in the 19th century)? Tradition rules, and the earliest scale, AFAIK, was the Fahrenheit scale. Before then there was probably just freezing, cold, warm, and hot, which are all based on human sensation but that's all humans care about. <https://dewesoft.com/blog/temperature-measurement-history> After the scientific revolution, temperature scales had to be reproducible and that's how the Fahrenheit and subsequent scales were developed. I have been so conditioned to the Fahrenheit scale that I reject everything else. I know that 50F or below means that a light jacket is needed. What that would be on the Celsius scale would involve some mental gymnastics.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 02:49 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <njleqcFei39U45@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94252 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 21:41:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > That's where being a computer nerd came in handy. When Canada switches > to kilometers, I was able to just read the numbers on my speedometer as > hex. I think the Toyota speedometer has both mph and kph. It's one of those things you don't notice. For truckers the important thing to know is what 13' 6" is in meters.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 11:49 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <11b4skg$1vgjd$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94252 |
On 18/10/2026 22:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I'm now fully bilingual in distances and temperature. The one thing > that really pisses me off is gas mileage: it was flipped upside-down > (miles per gallon to litres per 100 km), so you can't just apply a > conversion factor like you can with other units. Amen to that. In the UK we still talk miles per gallon, although no one really knows what a gallon is any more. -- "Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) " Alan Sokal
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 02:29 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <11b6g5i$2jehe$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94207 |
On 2026-10-18, rbowman wrote: > The US tried to move to metric in 1975 and wasn't entirely successful. > Kilometers, in particular, fell flat. I spent enough time driving in > Canada to be somewhat comfortable but I don't have a gut feeling. If I see > a speed limit of 100 kph I convert it to 60 as close enough. I've no > feeling at all for Centigrade. I'd hazard a guess the biggest nuisance with a move from miles et al. to kilometers and meters would be smartasses trying to find a way out of speeding tickets or criminal charges using "I've mixed the units" as an excuse. > > The result is my 1986 pickup and 1998 Harley have a mix of SAE and Metric > fasteners so I need two sets of wrenches. At least the Toyota and two > Suzuki bikes are pure metric. So maybe this means wrenches don't become more complicated when the units changes, different sizes are used instead in some applications? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 01:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <18e01a51d9eaf5a4$2254$25751$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #94371 |
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 02:29:22 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: >> >> The result is my 1986 pickup and 1998 Harley have a mix of SAE and Metric >> fasteners so I need two sets of wrenches. At least the Toyota and two >> Suzuki bikes are pure metric. > > So maybe this means wrenches don't become more complicated when the > units changes, different sizes are used instead in some applications? > Using a non-metric tool on a metric fastener can literally destroy the tool. Quality tools are made from very hard and tough steel alloys but they can still be deformed if repetitive excess force is applied to an incorrect fit. Also, the fastener will surely be stripped which causes a whole new set of problems.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 20:15 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <11b35t1$1dsuc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94188 |
On 18/10/2026 14:35, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 18-10-2026, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit : >> On 2026-10-18 14:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 18/10/2026 13:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> Here, the imperial system is not even mentioned in school. All is SI. >>>> As in most countries. >>>> >>> Not really >>> >>> Just yours >>> >>> >> Really? X'-D > > In Spain, as well as in Portugal and in France and in Germany and in > Belgian and in Netherlands and in Morocco and in Algeria and in Egypt > and in Roumania and in India. I stop here because I can't speak about > countries in which I don't know anyone. > > Well, that's why I'm calling him The Blind Natural Philosopher. > No, that's because you are a Leftist bigot, who thinks they can spew hate at anyone who didn't read the same propaganda I pointed out that many non SI units are used universally. In all countries You simply ignore the facts and continuee with your bigotry and personal attacks I think you are a factophobe -- “People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of one’s suitability to be taken seriously.” Paul Krugman
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 00:44 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <KuOdnQeAzou_PUj3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94188 |
On 10/18/26 09:35, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 18-10-2026, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit : >> On 2026-10-18 14:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 18/10/2026 13:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> Here, the imperial system is not even mentioned in school. All is SI. >>>> As in most countries. >>>> >>> Not really >>> >>> Just yours >>> >>> >> Really? X'-D > > In Spain, as well as in Portugal and in France and in Germany and in > Belgian and in Netherlands and in Morocco and in Algeria and in Egypt > and in Roumania and in India. I stop here because I can't speak about > countries in which I don't know anyone. > > Well, that's why I'm calling him The Blind Natural Philosopher. The best thing about the Imperial system is that the units are 'more human'. A foot, a stride, the distance when you hold two fingers apart.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 11:54 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <11b4ssi$1vgjd$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94289 |
On 19/10/2026 05:44, c186282 wrote: >> In Spain, as well as in Portugal and in France and in Germany and in >> Belgian and in Netherlands and in Morocco and in Algeria and in Egypt >> and in Roumania and in India. I stop here because I can't speak about >> countries in which I don't know anyone. >> >> Well, that's why I'm calling him The Blind Natural Philosopher. Such an asshole None of those countries use metric time. For example. Or metric astronomical units Stéphane CARPENTIER is the blind one. He will tell you that (a) there are no riots in France. (b) If there are its all down to the 'hard right' -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 20:27 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <l04iqmxel2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94188 |
On 2026-10-18 15:35, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 18-10-2026, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit : >> On 2026-10-18 14:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 18/10/2026 13:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> Here, the imperial system is not even mentioned in school. All is SI. >>>> As in most countries. >>>> >>> Not really >>> >>> Just yours >>> >>> >> Really? X'-D > > In Spain, as well as in Portugal and in France and in Germany and in > Belgian and in Netherlands and in Morocco and in Algeria and in Egypt > and in Roumania and in India. I stop here because I can't speak about > countries in which I don't know anyone. And China. I was curious and asked Google. Although they also use some "market units", mostly standardized to convert cleanly into metric values. > > Well, that's why I'm calling him The Blind Natural Philosopher. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 14:38 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <l7reqmxidv.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94171 |
On 2026-10-18 14:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/10/2026 13:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-18 13:57, Kenny McCormack wrote: >>> In article <ubocqmx3dc.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, >>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-17 16:19, Leroy H wrote: >>>>> It was the French that gave the world the metric system (or SI) >>>>> which is >>>>> perhaps fit for the sterile laboratory but which has no place in daily >>>>> life. Indeed, both the USA and GB resist the SI units in that most >>>>> civil >>>>> measurements are still reported in pounds, feet, Fahrenheit, etc. >>>> >>>> Lighten up, the SI is used in the entire world. Just some recalcitrant >>>> people remain in their old ways. >>> >>> Believe it or not, this (the age-old discussion of US/Imperial vs. >>> metric) >>> actually seems to be another instance of "Yes, it is technically >>> superior, >>> but it is not the standard (i.e., what most people use), so we think you >>> should go with the standard even though it is technically inferior." >>> >>> There are actually quite a lot of those in life. >>> >>> I.e., what I'm saying is that there actually are quite a few >>> arguments to >>> be made that US/Imperial is actually better. >>> >>> Sort of like Betamax (Yes, the classic example of "better does not >>> ensure >>> market dominance".) >> >> Here, the imperial system is not even mentioned in school. All is SI. >> As in most countries. >> > Not really > > Just yours In your dreams. 19 out out of 20 people worldwide use the SI. Worldwide, the SI (metric) system is used by the overwhelming majority of the world's population. The Imperial System, by contrast, has a much smaller footprint, primarily in the United States for everyday measurements, with some Imperial units still used in the UK and elsewhere. One important distinction: the SI system is the internationally agreed system of units, but people in countries that officially use metric may still use traditional units in everyday life. So the figures are estimates of the populations living in places that predominantly use each system, not a count of individual people's habits. ## Estimated worldwide usage (2026) ## SI / Metric # ≈ 7.9 billion About 95% of the world's population ## Imperial / US customary # ≈ 400 million Roughly 5% of the world's population Approximate population-based estimates, not measured counts of individual users. Figures are rounded. These estimates use the populations of countries where non-metric or US customary measurements remain prominent, while recognising that many people use both systems. The US is by far the largest stronghold of customary measurements; Liberia and Myanmar also retain traditional units. World Population Review +2 ## Where are the systems used? | Region or country | Predominant situation | | ------------------------------------------------------ | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Europe, China, India, most of Africa and Latin America | SI / Metric | | United States | US customary units in everyday life; metric in science and many industries | | United Kingdom | Mixed: metric for many purposes, miles for road distances, pints for some drinks | | Canada | Predominantly metric, with some customary units in everyday use | | Liberia and Myanmar | Mixed systems, with traditional units still used | World Population Review +2 ## The key takeaway Approximately 19 out of every 20 people worldwide live in countries where metric measurements predominate. One caveat: the Imperial System and US customary system are not identical. Also, there is no reliable worldwide census of which units each person uses, and the UK and Canada make a strict two-way classification misleading. The percentages above should therefore be treated as a useful broad estimate, not an exact statistical measurement. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 14:26 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <11b2hen$11pis$35@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94177 |
On 18/10/2026 13:38, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-18 14:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 18/10/2026 13:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2026-10-18 13:57, Kenny McCormack wrote: >>>> In article <ubocqmx3dc.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, >>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>>> On 2026-10-17 16:19, Leroy H wrote: >>>>>> It was the French that gave the world the metric system (or SI) >>>>>> which is >>>>>> perhaps fit for the sterile laboratory but which has no place in >>>>>> daily >>>>>> life. Indeed, both the USA and GB resist the SI units in that >>>>>> most civil >>>>>> measurements are still reported in pounds, feet, Fahrenheit, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Lighten up, the SI is used in the entire world. Just some recalcitrant >>>>> people remain in their old ways. >>>> >>>> Believe it or not, this (the age-old discussion of US/Imperial vs. >>>> metric) >>>> actually seems to be another instance of "Yes, it is technically >>>> superior, >>>> but it is not the standard (i.e., what most people use), so we think >>>> you >>>> should go with the standard even though it is technically inferior." >>>> >>>> There are actually quite a lot of those in life. >>>> >>>> I.e., what I'm saying is that there actually are quite a few >>>> arguments to >>>> be made that US/Imperial is actually better. >>>> >>>> Sort of like Betamax (Yes, the classic example of "better does not >>>> ensure >>>> market dominance".) >>> >>> Here, the imperial system is not even mentioned in school. All is SI. >>> As in most countries. >>> >> Not really >> >> Just yours > > In your dreams. 19 out out of 20 people worldwide use the SI. > But 20 out of 20 people ALSO use other systems You don't say 'your last post was 1325.2 seconds ago do you? You use hours minutes days, moths and years You are really so informed by idealism rather than facts its kinda cute... -- "An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out only in others...” Tom Wolfe
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 18:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <njkj83Fei39U29@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94186 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 14:26:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > You use hours minutes days, moths and years The French tried to redefine those when the had their Revolution but that didn't take as well as some of their other novel measurements.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 20:36 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <5j4iqmxj25.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94186 |
On 2026-10-18 15:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/10/2026 13:38, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-18 14:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 18/10/2026 13:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-18 13:57, Kenny McCormack wrote: >>>>> In article <ubocqmx3dc.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, >>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> On 2026-10-17 16:19, Leroy H wrote: >>>>>>> It was the French that gave the world the metric system (or SI) >>>>>>> which is >>>>>>> perhaps fit for the sterile laboratory but which has no place in >>>>>>> daily >>>>>>> life. Indeed, both the USA and GB resist the SI units in that >>>>>>> most civil >>>>>>> measurements are still reported in pounds, feet, Fahrenheit, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lighten up, the SI is used in the entire world. Just some >>>>>> recalcitrant >>>>>> people remain in their old ways. >>>>> >>>>> Believe it or not, this (the age-old discussion of US/Imperial vs. >>>>> metric) >>>>> actually seems to be another instance of "Yes, it is technically >>>>> superior, >>>>> but it is not the standard (i.e., what most people use), so we >>>>> think you >>>>> should go with the standard even though it is technically inferior." >>>>> >>>>> There are actually quite a lot of those in life. >>>>> >>>>> I.e., what I'm saying is that there actually are quite a few >>>>> arguments to >>>>> be made that US/Imperial is actually better. >>>>> >>>>> Sort of like Betamax (Yes, the classic example of "better does not >>>>> ensure >>>>> market dominance".) >>>> >>>> Here, the imperial system is not even mentioned in school. All is >>>> SI. As in most countries. >>>> >>> Not really >>> >>> Just yours >> >> In your dreams. 19 out out of 20 people worldwide use the SI. >> > But 20 out of 20 people ALSO use other systems > > You don't say 'your last post was 1325.2 seconds ago do you? > > You use hours minutes days, moths and years That's grasping at straws, LOL. > > You are really so informed by idealism rather than facts its kinda cute... > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 18:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <njkj1kFei39U28@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94177 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 14:38:45 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Worldwide, the SI (metric) system is used by the overwhelming majority > of the world's population. The Imperial System, by contrast, has a much > smaller footprint, primarily in the United States for everyday > measurements, with some Imperial units still used in the UK and > elsewhere. The US doesn't exactly use the Imperial system. The US adopted the British units before Britain defined the Imperial system. It's mostly the same but there are differences. A ton is 2000 lbs, the gallon is .83 of an Imperial gallon which trickles down to quarts and pints.
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