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Linux 32 bit support days are numbered

Started byJohn McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com>
First post2025-09-02 15:43 +0000
Last post2025-09-08 01:50 +0000
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  Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> - 2025-09-02 15:43 +0000
    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 19:35 +0100
      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 04:42 +0000
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 09:42 +0100
          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 04:44 -0400
            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-09-03 11:32 +0000
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:09 +0100
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 08:16 -0400
                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:26 +0100
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 08:51 -0400
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 17:20 +0100
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 20:07 +0000
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 19:54 +0000
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 09:28 +0100
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-05 04:56 +0000
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-05 08:57 +0200
                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 08:23 +0100
                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 04:36 -0400
                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-05 11:59 +0200
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-06 12:49 +0200
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-06 13:51 +0200
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-06 22:40 +0000
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-07 08:35 +0200
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 13:02 +0200
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-07 15:57 +0200
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-07 21:30 +0000
                                    PCI cards and cables "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-08 22:55 +0200
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 04:15 -0400
                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 19:43 +0000
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 09:23 +0100
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 19:35 +0000
            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-06 07:10 +0200
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-06 07:53 +0000
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 10:14 +0100
                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-06 09:27 +0000
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-06 14:46 +0200
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-06 13:02 -0400
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 19:42 +0100
                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-06 20:37 +0000
                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 00:54 -0400
                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 07:15 +0000
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 03:14 +0000
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 01:54 -0400
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-09 19:14 +0000
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-09 14:48 -0700
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-09 22:44 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 20:52 -0400
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 08:13 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 08:55 -0700
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 01:27 +0000
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-10 03:33 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 07:55 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-10 11:15 +0200
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-10 10:57 +0000
                                              UFO [Was: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-10 13:25 +0200
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-10 23:47 +0000
                                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 21:07 -0400
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 20:50 -0400
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 07:59 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:35 +0100
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 01:04 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 21:09 -0400
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 07:41 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 08:50 -0700
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-10 03:23 +0000
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 07:46 +0000
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:39 +0100
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 08:44 -0700
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 19:43 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 18:35 -0700
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 22:04 -0400
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-11 02:13 +0000
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 22:44 -0400
                                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-11 04:09 +0000
                                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-11 00:42 -0400
                                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-11 11:02 +0100
                                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-11 10:59 +0100
                                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-11 22:27 +0000
                                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 04:32 +0000
                                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 07:32 +0100
                                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 07:21 +0000
                                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 08:29 +0100
                                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 21:11 +0000
                                                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 08:09 +0100
                                                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-13 22:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 02:42 -0400
                                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-11 23:41 -0400
                                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 07:28 +0100
                                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-12 06:46 +0000
                                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 07:18 +0000
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-11 00:18 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 21:34 -0400
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-11 11:04 +0100
                                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-11 23:46 -0400
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-11 13:07 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-11 11:04 +0200
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-11 10:25 -0700
                                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 04:00 +0000
                                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 00:38 -0400
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-11 22:26 +0000
                                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 02:35 -0400
                                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 08:32 +0100
                                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-12 07:41 +0000
                                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 06:22 -0400
                                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 15:26 +0100
                                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-12 21:23 +0000
                                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-13 13:06 +0000
                                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 17:24 +0100
                                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-13 22:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 06:10 -0400
                                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 21:01 +0000
                                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-13 00:20 -0400
                                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 08:08 +0100
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:34 +0100
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:33 +0100
                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2025-09-07 15:13 +0000
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 16:48 +0100
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-07 21:33 +0000
                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-06 22:31 +0000
                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 03:39 -0400
                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 00:14 -0400
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-06 12:50 +0200
                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 12:39 +0100
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-06 14:48 +0200
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-06 14:12 -0400
                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 00:13 +0200
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-06 22:32 +0000
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 03:41 -0400
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-07 11:10 +0200
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 05:39 -0400
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:01 +0100
                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 06:30 -0400
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 13:08 +0200
          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 10:54 +0200
            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 20:11 +0000
          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 19:27 +0000
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-09-03 11:32 +0000
    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2025-09-02 18:58 +0000
      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:38 +0100
      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 09:06 +0200
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 03:20 -0400
          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 10:51 +0200
            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 05:15 -0400
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:52 +0100
                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 11:59 +0200
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 11:53 +0100
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 13:10 +0200
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 13:36 +0200
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-05 04:51 +0000
                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 06:33 -0400
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 12:03 +0100
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 13:08 +0200
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 13:37 +0200
                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:15 +0100
                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 15:16 +0200
                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 17:21 +0100
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-04 09:44 +0200
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 09:30 +0100
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-04 17:24 +0200
                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 21:23 +0200
                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-06 07:14 +0200
                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-06 09:08 +0200
                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 08:54 +0100
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-06 13:53 +0200
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 14:19 +0100
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-07 04:45 +0200
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-06 19:57 -0700
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-08 05:41 +0200
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-07 03:39 +0000
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 04:43 -0400
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 13:13 +0200
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 07:29 -0400
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 13:40 +0200
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 19:53 +0100
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 09:44 +0100
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-08 05:46 +0200
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-08 04:22 +0000
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-09 05:26 +0200
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 03:32 -0400
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 08:54 +0100
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-09 05:35 +0200
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 11:15 +0100
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 07:06 -0400
                                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 16:37 +0100
                                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 16:37 -0400
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 21:46 +0100
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-09-12 17:30 +0100
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-12 10:05 -0700
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-13 06:40 +0200
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 20:59 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-13 00:18 -0400
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 05:21 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-13 18:12 -0400
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-13 06:51 +0200
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 07:33 +0000
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-13 06:32 +0200
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-13 05:17 +0000
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 12:13 +0100
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-09-14 08:48 +1000
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-13 21:27 -0400
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-06 23:34 -0400
                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-06 10:48 +0200
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-06 12:45 +0200
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-06 13:54 +0200
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-06 14:50 +0200
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-06 20:37 +0000
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 01:10 -0400
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-08 08:11 -0700
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 03:14 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 04:14 -0400
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 11:12 +0100
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 14:22 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 16:40 +0100
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-10 03:23 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-09 19:17 +0000
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-09 08:32 -0700
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-06 22:56 +0200
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 00:14 +0200
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-07 04:48 +0200
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-07 03:18 +0000
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 04:56 -0400
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-09-10 19:10 +0000
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-10 12:16 -0700
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 15:55 -0400
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 10:57 +0100
                                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 06:47 -0400
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 13:53 +0100
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-08 23:00 +0200
                                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 11:11 +0100
                                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 03:14 +0000
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 04:15 -0400
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-09 19:21 +0000
                                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-13 12:57 +0000
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 13:26 +0200
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-06 22:35 +0000
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-07 04:51 +0200
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-07 03:38 +0000
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 04:54 -0400
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 03:44 -0400
                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 12:43 +0200
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 12:10 +0100
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 14:08 +0200
                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 09:57 -0700
                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 18:16 +0100
                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-04 09:45 +0200
                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 08:02 -0700
                          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-09-04 15:40 +0000
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 08:59 -0700
                            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-04 18:30 +0000
                              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 04:05 -0400
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-05 12:00 +0200
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 11:33 +0100
                                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-05 14:47 +0200
                                      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 19:33 +0100
                                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Anthk NM <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-09-15 20:17 +0000
                                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 08:15 -0700
                        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Anthk NM <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-09-15 20:17 +0000
                  Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Anthk NM <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-09-15 20:17 +0000
                    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-15 17:10 -0400
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:22 +0100
          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 12:47 +0200
            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-09-04 11:09 +0100
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-04 16:20 +0200
          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-09-05 14:05 +0000
            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-09-05 15:03 +0000
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-06 12:46 +0200
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-06 22:37 +0000
                Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 03:46 -0400
            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Anthk NM <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-09-15 20:17 +0000
      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 11:01 +0200
    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 20:51 +0000
    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:08 +0000
      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 04:37 +0000
    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 09:17 +0200
      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:36 +0100
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 06:27 -0400
          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 19:18 +0000
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-03 12:28 +0200
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 19:05 +0000
      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-03 08:45 -0700
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-09-04 06:55 +0200
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-04 07:08 +0000
          Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 11:18 +0100
            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 11:42 +0100
              Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-05 23:23 +0000
            Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 06:47 -0400
      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Anthk NM <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-09-15 20:17 +0000
    Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-06 07:05 +0200
      Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Øyvind Røtvold <orotvold@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 09:01 +0200
        Re: Linux 32 bit support days are numbered Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-08 01:50 +0000

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#73607

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-09-06 23:34 -0400
Message-ID<iN-dnfqNGMHSYCH1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#73549
On 9/6/25 9:19 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> writes:
>> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> writes:
>>>> That is asking too much.
>>>
>>> Debian continues to support 32-bit x86 executables at least back to the
>>> Glibc transition
>>
>> As long as the toolchain is still available, and as long people are
>> willing to fix bugs in 32bit x86.
> 
> Sure. But the point is, at present those conditions are met.

   But next year ? The next ???

   64-bit hardware is now ubiquitous and cheap.
   Why keep bothering with 32 bit except to,
   briefly, support some Old Stuff ?

   Keep expecting native 256-bit Just Because They Can.
   Then the 64 goes down the disposal tube as well.

   256 WOULD be fairly 'future-proof' ... but of course
   we said that about 16-bit back in the day :-)

   The "AI" approaches, not sure what will count anymore.
   Human coders won't, fer sure. There is going to be about
   a dozen of those left in the world in 25 years - and
   slaves to minor "AI" tweaks until the "AI" is even
   sharper and more creative than they are.

>> There is no installer any more, and no kernel. So 32bit x86 on Debian
>> is confined to containers and to being a secondary arch on a 64bit x86
>> system.
> 
> The ask was “a current OS can run vintage software and read the data
> collected by it”. The lack of a 32-bit installer or kernel is irrelevant
> to that.

   Anyway, if you want to run 'vintage', try VirtualBox
   and friends. DO have a CP/M-86 VM. Stuff, better or
   worse, for most olde-tyme CPUs also. Hell, these days
   you can write an uncompiled Python script that will
   run much faster than those old CPUs. Want a TI-990 ...
   you can HAVE one. 6502 ? 6800/6809 ? Z8 ? F8 ? 1802 ?
   You can have them, virtually.

   But don't expect regular updates ...

   I guess my point is that 'hardware' is SO cheap now
   that there's no reason to keep supporting the old
   stuff ... dump it and go new, then newer.

   I had a thread here about 'old hardware' - but
   even that is 64-bit.

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#73507

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2025-09-06 10:48 +0200
Message-ID<v9tnbk1d2vbek4f2as6rn8h0e8fj0omcf6@4ax.com>
In reply to#73504
On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 09:08:48 +0200, Marc Haber
<mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:

>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 13:37:40 +0200, Marc Haber
>><mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>
>>>The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>My point being that freeDos, CP/M etc still exist. As does SUN solaris, 
>>>>Ultrix etc.,
>>>
>>>You can continue running vintage OSses on vintage hardware. It is
>>>expecting much (too much) to expect to run a current OS on vintage
>>>hardware for free.
>>
>>All I ask is that a current OS can run vintage software and read the
>>data collected by it. 
>
>That is asking too much.

Why?


-- 
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#73520

FromMarco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de>
Date2025-09-06 12:45 +0200
Message-ID<20250906124530.3422e225@ryz.dorfdsl.de>
In reply to#73507
On 06.09.2025 10:48 Uhr Steve Hayes wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 09:08:48 +0200, Marc Haber
> <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
> 
> >Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:  
> >>On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 13:37:40 +0200, Marc Haber
> >><mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
> >>  
> >>>The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:  
> >>>>My point being that freeDos, CP/M etc still exist. As does SUN
> >>>>solaris, Ultrix etc.,  
> >>>
> >>>You can continue running vintage OSses on vintage hardware. It is
> >>>expecting much (too much) to expect to run a current OS on vintage
> >>>hardware for free.  
> >>
> >>All I ask is that a current OS can run vintage software and read the
> >>data collected by it.   
> >
> >That is asking too much.  
> 
> Why?

Because supporting that architecture consumes resources like time to
develop and test the extra work that is needed for that architecture.

Compilers needs to care about the instruction set of those processors,
the kernel too, including the processor-specific limits.

As too less people depend on it, developers stop doing it.

You can change that either by contributing to the projects or by
funding them, so they continue.

-- 
kind regards
Marco

Send spam to 1757148511muell@stinkedores.dorfdsl.de

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#73536

FromMarc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us>
Date2025-09-06 13:54 +0200
Message-ID<109h7d2$3qvlp$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to#73507
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 09:08:48 +0200, Marc Haber
><mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>
>>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 13:37:40 +0200, Marc Haber
>>><mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>My point being that freeDos, CP/M etc still exist. As does SUN solaris, 
>>>>>Ultrix etc.,
>>>>
>>>>You can continue running vintage OSses on vintage hardware. It is
>>>>expecting much (too much) to expect to run a current OS on vintage
>>>>hardware for free.
>>>
>>>All I ask is that a current OS can run vintage software and read the
>>>data collected by it. 
>>
>>That is asking too much.
>
>Why?

Because you'll need to have volunteers to sacrifice their free time to
support the use case that only you and a tiny tiny fracture of the
user base still has.

You will probably not be able to find those volunteers. So better
start learning and volunteering yourself now.

Greetings
Marc
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#73545

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-09-06 14:50 +0200
Message-ID<2antolx5gp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#73536
On 2025-09-06 13:54, Marc Haber wrote:
> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 09:08:48 +0200, Marc Haber
>> <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 13:37:40 +0200, Marc Haber
>>>> <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> My point being that freeDos, CP/M etc still exist. As does SUN solaris,
>>>>>> Ultrix etc.,
>>>>>
>>>>> You can continue running vintage OSses on vintage hardware. It is
>>>>> expecting much (too much) to expect to run a current OS on vintage
>>>>> hardware for free.
>>>>
>>>> All I ask is that a current OS can run vintage software and read the
>>>> data collected by it.
>>>
>>> That is asking too much.
>>
>> Why?
> 
> Because you'll need to have volunteers to sacrifice their free time to
> support the use case that only you and a tiny tiny fracture of the
> user base still has.
> 
> You will probably not be able to find those volunteers. So better
> start learning and volunteering yourself now.

I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too much.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#73571

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-09-06 20:37 +0000
Message-ID<jY0vQ.177617$GnW4.9926@fx35.iad>
In reply to#73545
On 2025-09-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too much.

But you're not a corporation that stands to make a lot of money
by selling it to you again.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#73615

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-09-07 01:10 -0400
Message-ID<TredndfleIY_jiD1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#73571
On 9/6/25 4:37 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-09-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too much.
> 
> But you're not a corporation that stands to make a lot of money
> by selling it to you again.

   Got that right !  :-)

   Hmmm ... have some 8" Shugart-formatted floppies ;
   who is offering to sell me THAT data all over again ?

   It's even worse in govt projects - too TOO many
   proprietary one-off formats. NASA maybe the worst
   in that department.

   That digital, sometimes analog, past is just GONE.

   Govt will fill in whatever it needs.

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#73718

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-08 08:11 -0700
Message-ID<20250908081128.0000712c@gmail.com>
In reply to#73571
On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 20:37:35 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> > I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too
> > much.  
> 
> But you're not a corporation that stands to make a lot of money
> by selling it to you again.

"Sell?" Hah, what a quaint notion! Why *sell* when you can rent out
access on a monthly basis in perpetuity...?

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#73740

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-09-09 03:14 +0000
Message-ID<kYMvQ.733615$jMMa.3104@fx09.iad>
In reply to#73718
On 2025-09-08, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 20:37:35 GMT
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too
>>> much.  
>> 
>> But you're not a corporation that stands to make a lot of money
>> by selling it to you again.
>
> "Sell?" Hah, what a quaint notion! Why *sell* when you can rent out
> access on a monthly basis in perpetuity...?

Oops!  Sorry, I'm out of date.  Buddy, can you paradigm?

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#73751

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-09-09 04:14 -0400
Message-ID<zZWcnYUXMOaffyL1nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#73740
On 9/8/25 11:14 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-09-08, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 20:37:35 GMT
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too
>>>> much.
>>>
>>> But you're not a corporation that stands to make a lot of money
>>> by selling it to you again.
>>
>> "Sell?" Hah, what a quaint notion! Why *sell* when you can rent out
>> access on a monthly basis in perpetuity...?
> 
> Oops!  Sorry, I'm out of date.  Buddy, can you paradigm?


   Heh heh ... Mr. Modern probably has it right.
   Why make money only ONE time eh ?  :-)

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#73763

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-09-09 11:12 +0100
Message-ID<109ouhm$t9ek$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73751
On 09/09/2025 09:14, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/8/25 11:14 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2025-09-08, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 20:37:35 GMT
>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too
>>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> But you're not a corporation that stands to make a lot of money
>>>> by selling it to you again.
>>>
>>> "Sell?" Hah, what a quaint notion! Why *sell* when you can rent out
>>> access on a monthly basis in perpetuity...?
>>
>> Oops!  Sorry, I'm out of date.  Buddy, can you paradigm?
> 
> 
>    Heh heh ... Mr. Modern probably has it right.
>    Why make money only ONE time eh ?  :-)
We called it 'ching ching' revenue.

-- 
The New Left are the people they warned you about.

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#73769

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-09-09 14:22 +0000
Message-ID<LKWvQ.1070612$3yJ3.295459@fx16.iad>
In reply to#73751
On 2025-09-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 9/8/25 11:14 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2025-09-08, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 20:37:35 GMT
>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too
>>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> But you're not a corporation that stands to make a lot of money
>>>> by selling it to you again.
>>>
>>> "Sell?" Hah, what a quaint notion! Why *sell* when you can rent out
>>> access on a monthly basis in perpetuity...?
>> 
>> Oops!  Sorry, I'm out of date.  Buddy, can you paradigm?
>
>    Heh heh ... Mr. Modern probably has it right.
>    Why make money only ONE time eh ?  :-)

I find it ironic that corporations who so staunchly oppose
Karl Marx share his dream to eliminate private ownership.
Or individual ownership if we're splitting hairs.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#73775

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-09-09 16:40 +0100
Message-ID<109phog$12nqm$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73769
On 09/09/2025 15:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> I find it ironic that corporations who so staunchly oppose
> Karl Marx share his dream to eliminate private ownership.
> Or individual ownership if we're splitting hairs.

The only difference between US style oligarchy and communism, is that in 
a oligarchy rich men own the government whereas in communism the 
government owns all the rich men.

Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a 
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, 
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer 
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to 
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

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#73803

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-09-10 03:23 +0000
Message-ID<Ua6wQ.479545$jEC7.469193@fx45.iad>
In reply to#73775
On 2025-09-09, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 09/09/2025 15:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I find it ironic that corporations who so staunchly oppose
>> Karl Marx share his dream to eliminate private ownership.
>> Or individual ownership if we're splitting hairs.
>
> The only difference between US style oligarchy and communism, is that
> in a oligarchy rich men own the government whereas in communism the 
> government owns all the rich men.

    Under capitalism, man exploits man.
    Under communism, it's the other way around.
      -- John Kenneth Galbraith

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#73780

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-09-09 19:17 +0000
Message-ID<mibcqrF5krvU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#73769
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025 14:22:35 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I find it ironic that corporations who so staunchly oppose Karl Marx
> share his dream to eliminate private ownership. Or individual ownership
> if we're splitting hairs.

Heads Marx, tails Capitalism. You lose. 

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#73772

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-09 08:32 -0700
Message-ID<20250909083241.00007057@gmail.com>
In reply to#73751
On Tue, 9 Sep 2025 04:14:52 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> >> "Sell?" Hah, what a quaint notion! Why *sell* when you can rent out
> >> access on a monthly basis in perpetuity...?  
> > 
> > Oops!  Sorry, I'm out of date.  Buddy, can you paradigm?  
> 
>    Heh heh ... Mr. Modern probably has it right.
>    Why make money only ONE time eh ?  :-)

They really put the ARR in "annualized recurring revenue...!"

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#73574

FromMarc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us>
Date2025-09-06 22:56 +0200
Message-ID<109i75e$14fmd$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to#73545
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>On 2025-09-06 13:54, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 09:08:48 +0200, Marc Haber
>>> <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 13:37:40 +0200, Marc Haber
>>>>> <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> My point being that freeDos, CP/M etc still exist. As does SUN solaris,
>>>>>>> Ultrix etc.,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can continue running vintage OSses on vintage hardware. It is
>>>>>> expecting much (too much) to expect to run a current OS on vintage
>>>>>> hardware for free.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I ask is that a current OS can run vintage software and read the
>>>>> data collected by it.
>>>>
>>>> That is asking too much.
>>>
>>> Why?
>> 
>> Because you'll need to have volunteers to sacrifice their free time to
>> support the use case that only you and a tiny tiny fracture of the
>> user base still has.
>> 
>> You will probably not be able to find those volunteers. So better
>> start learning and volunteering yourself now.
>
>I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too much.

Good luck then. You may succeed.

Greetings
Marc
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#73580

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-09-07 00:14 +0200
Message-ID<gaouolxlf4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#73574
On 2025-09-06 22:56, Marc Haber wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2025-09-06 13:54, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 09:08:48 +0200, Marc Haber
>>>> <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 13:37:40 +0200, Marc Haber
>>>>>> <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> My point being that freeDos, CP/M etc still exist. As does SUN solaris,
>>>>>>>> Ultrix etc.,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can continue running vintage OSses on vintage hardware. It is
>>>>>>> expecting much (too much) to expect to run a current OS on vintage
>>>>>>> hardware for free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I ask is that a current OS can run vintage software and read the
>>>>>> data collected by it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is asking too much.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Because you'll need to have volunteers to sacrifice their free time to
>>> support the use case that only you and a tiny tiny fracture of the
>>> user base still has.
>>>
>>> You will probably not be able to find those volunteers. So better
>>> start learning and volunteering yourself now.
>>
>> I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too much.
> 
> Good luck then. You may succeed.

It is a problem for the NASA and many libraries and archival sites.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#73602

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2025-09-07 04:48 +0200
Message-ID<shspbk5d3gvsbjf06aj7039u09rmuvkgfd@4ax.com>
In reply to#73580
On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 00:14:08 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2025-09-06 22:56, Marc Haber wrote:
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-06 13:54, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 09:08:48 +0200, Marc Haber
>>>>> <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2025 13:37:40 +0200, Marc Haber
>>>>>>> <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My point being that freeDos, CP/M etc still exist. As does SUN solaris,
>>>>>>>>> Ultrix etc.,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can continue running vintage OSses on vintage hardware. It is
>>>>>>>> expecting much (too much) to expect to run a current OS on vintage
>>>>>>>> hardware for free.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I ask is that a current OS can run vintage software and read the
>>>>>>> data collected by it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is asking too much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Because you'll need to have volunteers to sacrifice their free time to
>>>> support the use case that only you and a tiny tiny fracture of the
>>>> user base still has.
>>>>
>>>> You will probably not be able to find those volunteers. So better
>>>> start learning and volunteering yourself now.
>>>
>>> I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too much.
>> 
>> Good luck then. You may succeed.
>
>It is a problem for the NASA and many libraries and archival sites.

Yep -- the Voyager I spacecraft, launched in 1977, is still sending
data that could be useful.


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#73606

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-09-07 03:18 +0000
Message-ID<NP6vQ.1063469$3yJ3.156629@fx16.iad>
In reply to#73602
On 2025-09-07, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 00:14:08 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>
>> On 2025-09-06 22:56, Marc Haber wrote:
>>
>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think that being able to read vintage data is asking too much.
>>> 
>>> Good luck then. You may succeed.
>>
>> It is a problem for the NASA and many libraries and archival sites.
>
> Yep -- the Voyager I spacecraft, launched in 1977, is still sending
> data that could be useful.

"Dammit, who turned on automatic updates for the package that's
interpreting Voyager data?  It dropped support for the old format!"

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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