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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200 |
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Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-26 07:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 20:37 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:40 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-26 21:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 02:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:18 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Epherma <epherma@remort.app.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:31 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 04:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:10 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 19:52 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 15:17 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 16:22 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 11:51 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:25 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 08:04 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:09 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:33 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:08 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:10 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:41 -0400
Flawed stereotypical joke (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:31 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 22:54 +0200
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:32 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-02 01:34 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:40 -0400
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:52 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:57 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 00:52 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 06:03 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 05:23 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 01:38 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 08:41 +0200
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 09:44 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 15:29 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:42 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:38 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 04:04 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-30 12:33 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 01:54 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:13 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:53 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:11 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:22 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:15 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 19:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:14 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:16 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:25 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:45 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:30 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:44 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:33 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:56 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:28 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 17:23 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:27 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 02:02 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:29 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:17 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:15 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:20 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:25 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:41 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-03 12:18 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-03 10:08 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-03 23:16 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-04 18:18 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 06:45 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-03 16:38 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:51 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:12 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:21 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:36 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-03 16:21 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 23:54 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:39 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-02 16:45 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 14:41 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:06 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:41 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:42 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:30 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:04 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:31 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:21 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-03 10:03 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-31 12:54 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 19:50 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-01 07:53 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:12 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 21:32 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:26 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-03 08:54 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:05 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-03 10:05 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:07 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 07:58 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:16 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 19:21 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:54 +0200
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:43 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:19 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:35 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:12 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:08 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 15:07 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:48 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:10 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:01 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:19 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:37 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:43 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-01 18:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-08-01 19:09 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:15 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-02 14:23 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:09 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 22:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:16 +0000
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Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:13 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:17 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:07 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:15 +0100
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Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:59 +0200
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Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:51 +0200
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Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:11 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:18 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:23 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:52 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:10 +0000
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Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:24 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:55 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:59 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:59 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:25 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:07 +0000
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Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 00:59 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncq8dtFovvdU37@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89122 |
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 14:44:10 -0700, John Ames wrote: > On 27 Jul 2026 21:22:16 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> Who controls Qt? > > Used to be Nokia; these days it's apparently some manner of alliance > between a publically-traded company and an open-source governing body, > both specifically dedicated to it. The company is Finnish; I dunno about > the org. Qt definitely seems less prone to infestation with Design Divas > than the competition, in my observation. It started out as Trolltech. The trolls were great coders but their licensing was arcane. It was free for personal or open source use, but there was a license for commercial use. Unfortunately the commercial terms were so murky that it discouraged use. Like everything else it's been through changes of ownership. It was the commercial part that spurred the development of Gtk and GNOME. That seems to follow Qt. PyQt is developed by Riverbank Computing and has both GPL and commercial licensing. Nokia wanted to release it as LGPL but Riverbank refused so Nokia, and later the Qt Company developed their own Python bindings and released it as PySide under LGPL. 'Side' is supposedly Finnish for 'binding' but I think it really means 'Screw you, Riverbank!' The two are very close but the official Python version is PySide6.
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <18c643c7e3918e59$13824$874455$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89121 |
On 27 Jul 2026 21:22:16 GMT, rbowman wrote: > > Who controls Qt? I never liked Gtk but I've been playing with it lately. > I still don't like it. Ridiculously long function names that all start > with gtk_ are a pain in the ass. > Yes. They have even hijacked all the standard C type names in favor of their own. Hence C "int" becomes "gtk_int" although they designate the exact same thing. Also, faithfully following the latest fashion trends, they eschew the standard configuration files in favor of CSS markup. Modifying a simple font or color now requires a weeks-long odyssey of exploration. But it's not only GTK+ and Qt but also the plethora of other other graphical toolkits, such as Xforms, Fltk, Motif, Tk, etc., that will suffer with the enforced demise of X11. With one fell stroke IBM/RedHat will have destroyed all alternatives and forced everyone into its cattle pen. But the lackeys on this NG won't ever notice. All that they can muster is the installation of Ubuntu/Mint and then play their frivolous games. They are not savvy USERS; they are tawdry MOOCHERS. GNU/Linux is for true *users*, i.e. people that study and modify the FOSS software to suit their own needs. In a few years, my predictions will have proved true, but the morons on this NG will not have the mental capacity to ever notice. Corporations love stupid sheep. -- Gentoo/LFS: Is there any-fucking-thing else?
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <18c64c64d78eb25b$11352$566809$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89123 |
On 27 Jul 2026 23:46:29 GMT, rbowman wrote: > > I spent part of the last 25 years working with Motif. Even the legacy GUIs > on Windows used Motif with the NutCracker runtime and PTC X server. With > that much history the Motif code was completely entwined with XLib and Xt. > You're correct that the Gtk and Qt APIs sheltered you from getting down > and dirty with X11. The frontend replacement for the legacy GUIs was web > based Angular. No way could Motif be salvaged. What we did with placement, > app-defaults, IPC using XAtoms and so forth was exactly what the Wayland > people consider evil. > Both GTK+ and Qt can be built with, as of now, an optional Wayland integration using libwayland. Of course, X11 integration has been the standard default for both. However, LibreOffice, which can utilize either GTK+, Qt, or pure X11 frontends, demands that GTK+ be built with Wayland integration otherwise it will not run. This is true even if LibreOffice runs only within an X11 session. The trend is obvious. LibreOffice is another project that considers only the dictates of the mainstream distros. I have been told as much when reporting issues on the LibreOffice forums. Their developers will not ever address fringe concerns. But, getting back to graphical toolkits, I believe that Fltk also allows Wayland integration but the other common toolkits, such as Tk, Motif, and xforms do not and likely never will. IBM/RedHat gets its money from servers and hence security is, to them, of paramount importance. Their Wayland product has been designed from the ground up with security in mind. Each program can only run in isolation with no IPC. This may be fine for a public-facing server but it is a detriment to desktop workstations. Thus, productive desktop workstations will suffer tremendously just so those IBM/RedHat bastards can rake in more profit. -- Gentoo/LFS: Is there any-fucking-thing else?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncqp56FovvdU40@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89129 |
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 00:24:58 +0000, Farley Flud wrote: > Both GTK+ and Qt can be built with, as of now, an optional Wayland > integration using libwayland. Of course, X11 integration has been the > standard default for both. I believe that is handled in GDK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDK pkg-config --libs gtk+-3.0 -lgtk-3 -lgdk-3 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lcairo-gobject -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lharfbuzz -lgio-2.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lz I get the same libs on Ubuntu 26.04 which is Wayland and MX 25.2 which is X11. /usr/include/gtk-3.0/gdk has both x11 and wayland subdirectories. I assume it gets sorted out there although I don't see any obvious #ifdef or other switch.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncq8ulFovvdU38@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89123 |
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 21:47:08 +0000, Farley Flud wrote: > But it's not only GTK+ and Qt but also the plethora of other other > graphical toolkits, such as Xforms, Fltk, Motif, Tk, etc., that will > suffer with the enforced demise of X11. I spent part of the last 25 years working with Motif. Even the legacy GUIs on Windows used Motif with the NutCracker runtime and PTC X server. With that much history the Motif code was completely entwined with XLib and Xt. You're correct that the Gtk and Qt APIs sheltered you from getting down and dirty with X11. The frontend replacement for the legacy GUIs was web based Angular. No way could Motif be salvaged. What we did with placement, app-defaults, IPC using XAtoms and so forth was exactly what the Wayland people consider evil.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <1149rhd$3tkg5$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89123 |
On 27/07/2026 22:47, Farley Flud wrote: > On 27 Jul 2026 21:22:16 GMT, rbowman wrote: > Also, faithfully following the latest fashion trends, they eschew > the standard configuration files in favor of CSS markup. Modifying > a simple font or color now requires a weeks-long odyssey of exploration. > > > > But it's not only GTK+ and Qt but also the plethora of other other > graphical toolkits, such as Xforms, Fltk, Motif, Tk, etc., that > will suffer with the enforced demise of X11. > Thank fuck for that. 90s cruft, all off it. The fact that they all exist shows that X was never a solution by itself > With one fell stroke IBM/RedHat will have destroyed all alternatives > and forced everyone into its cattle pen. > Yes. There will be nothing left to get religious about, will there? > But the lackeys on this NG won't ever notice. All that they > can muster is the installation of Ubuntu/Mint and then play > their frivolous games. They are not savvy USERS; they are tawdry > MOOCHERS. And proud to be so. > > GNU/Linux is for true *users*, i.e. people that study and modify > the FOSS software to suit their own needs. > Ah, the true zealot > In a few years, my predictions will have proved true, but the > morons on this NG will not have the mental capacity to ever notice. > No, we will be dead. > Corporations love stupid sheep. > Twas ever thus.. > -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <114bm9s$gudp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89145 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 27/07/2026 22:47, Farley Flud wrote: >> On 27 Jul 2026 21:22:16 GMT, rbowman wrote: > >> Also, faithfully following the latest fashion trends, they eschew >> the standard configuration files in favor of CSS markup. Modifying >> a simple font or color now requires a weeks-long odyssey of exploration. >> > >> >> >> But it's not only GTK+ and Qt but also the plethora of other other >> graphical toolkits, such as Xforms, Fltk, Motif, Tk, etc., that >> will suffer with the enforced demise of X11. >> > Thank fuck for that. > 90s cruft, all off it. > The fact that they all exist shows that X was never a solution by itself X (the low level wire protocol and xlib the library) was never meant to be a "solution by itself". It supplies the underlying basic building blocks (windows, intersections between windows, event detection, etc) but leaves the task of converting that into a GUI to the code utilizing it. Those alphabet soup of toolkits listed all provide various different abstractions over the raw X building blocks so the programmer can request that, e.g a button be placed on screen vs. having to assemble a button from the underlying primitives. A similar analogy is that you can "build a cake" from flour, sugar, eggs, flavorings, etc. or you can buy a ready made cake. Raw X gives you the flour, sugar, eggs, flavorings, and it's up to you to mix them in the right proportion and then bake them for the right time. Qt or Fltk or Tk let you "buy a ready made cake" instead.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 07:58 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <20260729075836.00004ee8@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #89172 |
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 01:50:52 -0000 (UTC) Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > X (the low level wire protocol and xlib the library) was never meant > to be a "solution by itself". That's both a blessing and a curse as it leads to a very tower-of-Babel approach to UX in *nix software. The funny thing is that Wayland isn't a "full solution" either, so it doesn't even have consistency to offer.
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 18:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <18c6d52ace7a0ef1$6654$989275$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89172 |
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 01:50:52 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>
> X (the low level wire protocol and xlib the library) was never meant to
> be a "solution by itself". It supplies the underlying basic building
> blocks (windows, intersections between windows, event detection, etc)
> but leaves the task of converting that into a GUI to the code utilizing
> it. Those alphabet soup of toolkits listed all provide various
> different abstractions over the raw X building blocks so the programmer
> can request that, e.g a button be placed on screen vs. having to
> assemble a button from the underlying primitives. A similar analogy is
> that you can "build a cake" from flour, sugar, eggs, flavorings, etc.
> or you can buy a ready made cake. Raw X gives you the flour, sugar,
> eggs, flavorings, and it's up to you to mix them in the right
> proportion and then bake them for the right time. Qt or Fltk or Tk let
> you "buy a ready made cake" instead.
>
That is correct.
There are still some programs that invoke X11 directly. One example
is my fave text editor/IDE cooledit:
<https://github.com/paulsheer/cooledit>
[~]# ldd /usr/local/bin/cooledit
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffff7fc7000)
libCw.so.1 => /usr/local/lib64/libCw.so.1 (0x00007ffff7eaa000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libX11.so.6 (0x00007ffff7d67000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007ffff7b96000)
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00007ffff7ac2000)
libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libxcb.so.1 (0x00007ffff7a9a000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007ffff7fc9000)
libz.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libz.so.1 (0x00007ffff7a7f000)
libbz2.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libbz2.so.1 (0x00007ffff7a6c000)
libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib64/libpng16.so.16 (0x00007ffff7a1b000)
libbrotlidec.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libbrotlidec.so.1 (0x00007ffff7a0d000)
libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libXau.so.6 (0x00007ffff7a09000)
libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x00007ffff7a01000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007ffff792b000)
libbrotlicommon.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libbrotlicommon.so.1 (0x00007ffff7909000)
Unfortunately, the mainstream distros have all dropped cooledit
(it's probably not "modern" enough for their tastes).
It has to be built from source.
--
Gentoo/LFS: Is there any-fucking-thing else?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 19:16 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <114dg2q$12son$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89195 |
On 29/07/2026 19:11, Farley Flud wrote: > It has to be built from source. So what are you doing here? go off and build some Linux 'from source', that you wrote... -- The higher up the mountainside The greener grows the grass. The higher up the monkey climbs The more he shows his arse. Traditional
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 19:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncv260FoulgU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89195 |
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 18:11:22 +0000, Farley Flud wrote: > Unfortunately, the mainstream distros have all dropped cooledit (it's > probably not "modern" enough for their tastes). Well, except for the one edit it hasn't seen activity in 4 years. Not so much for applications but when I'm deciding if I will use libfoobar in a project I always check the activity. https://github.com/libexpat/libexpat I've been using expat almost as long as it's been around and they're still poking at it. I've never encountered a bug but apparently there is always something to do, mostly security fixes lately. If I saw the hypothetical libfoobar hadn't been touched in 4 years I'd look for alternatives. True, maybe it is so good it hasn't needed work.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 21:54 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncv43uFos63U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89210 |
On 2026-07-29 21:21, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 18:11:22 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, the mainstream distros have all dropped cooledit (it's
>> probably not "modern" enough for their tastes).
>
> Well, except for the one edit it hasn't seen activity in 4 years. Not so
> much for applications but when I'm deciding if I will use libfoobar in a
> project I always check the activity.
>
> https://github.com/libexpat/libexpat
>
> I've been using expat almost as long as it's been around and they're still
> poking at it. I've never encountered a bug but apparently there is always
> something to do, mostly security fixes lately. If I saw the hypothetical
> libfoobar hadn't been touched in 4 years I'd look for alternatives. True,
> maybe it is so good it hasn't needed work.
It does not have a wikipedia package. That's the first thing I check.
There is another project with the same name that is about audio.
Distros are about volunteering: if there is a volunteer that is
interesting in building a package for a distro, it appears there. It is
not about business.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 23:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncvhhnFoulgU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89213 |
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 21:54:38 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > It does not have a wikipedia package. That's the first thing I check. > > There is another project with the same name that is about audio. Expat? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expat_(software) 'Cooledit' gets murky since most of the hits are for 'cool edit', the Adobe app that was renamed Audition. Quotes around "cooledit" don't help, nor do the websites about "Cool Edit" that misspell it.
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <18c6e05d5af580dc$20233$916706$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89210 |
On 29 Jul 2026 19:21:36 GMT, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 18:11:22 +0000, Farley Flud wrote: > >> Unfortunately, the mainstream distros have all dropped cooledit (it's >> probably not "modern" enough for their tastes). > > Well, except for the one edit it hasn't seen activity in 4 years. Not so > much for applications but when I'm deciding if I will use libfoobar in a > project I always check the activity. > > https://github.com/libexpat/libexpat > > I've been using expat almost as long as it's been around and they're still > poking at it. I've never encountered a bug but apparently there is always > something to do, mostly security fixes lately. If I saw the hypothetical > libfoobar hadn't been touched in 4 years I'd look for alternatives. True, > maybe it is so good it hasn't needed work. > If it ain't broke then don't fix it. That tried-and-true aphorism is standard in every engineer's toolbox. Software does not "age." If it runs today then it will run forever. The only problem is that the APIs of any dependencies may change (although they should never do so). For example, I use a 25-year-old program that calls routines in libtiff. That library was updated and the former API is no longer valid. But it's no problem. Just build the former version of libtiff and either link it directly or use the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable at run time. However, if one is totally dependent on a distro then this may not be so simple. But whatever, software never "dies." Every GNU project, including the kernel, has source archives going back to the beginning. Even GCC maintains source archives. If a certain program fails to build with the latest-and-greatest GCC there is no need to howl and beg for an update. Just revert to an earlier version of GCC. -- Gentoo/LFS: Is there any-fucking-thing else?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 23:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncvhveFoulgU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89216 |
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 21:36:33 +0000, Farley Flud wrote: > If it ain't broke then don't fix it. > > That tried-and-true aphorism is standard in every engineer's toolbox. I fully agree with that for the most part but I've gotten burned with libraries. Of course, I've gotten burned with projects that are very actively maintained too. OpenSSL 3.0 ain't OpenSSL 2.0, etc.
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <18c6a1f19f133425$18448$796307$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89145 |
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:07:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >> But it's not only GTK+ and Qt but also the plethora of other other >> graphical toolkits, such as Xforms, Fltk, Motif, Tk, etc., that >> will suffer with the enforced demise of X11. >> > Thank fuck for that. > 90s cruft, all off it. > The fact that they all exist shows that X was never a solution by itself > Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! YOU are the only 1990s cruft. Motif is quite alive and kicking: <https://github.com/thentenaar/motif> Furthermore, a lot of critical GNU/Linux programs are based in Motif, such as GNU ddd (I'll let you find other examples): <https://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/> But then you don't do much debugging or even programming for that matter. After all, it would seriously detract from your time spent spewing your ignorant posts on Usenet. Also, Tcl/Tk is as vibrant as ever and is fundamental in many GNU/Linux projects (including my own). These graphical toolkits will remain forever valuable and a cheap corp such as IBM/RedHat with its cheap agenda to dare limit these toolkits is a crime against humanity. -- Gentoo/LFS: Is there any-fucking-thing else?
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <1148k8p$3ig27$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89121 |
rbowman wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 16:40:48 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> Well, guess what. IBM/RedHat controls the development of GTK+
>> and they will most like pull the plug on X11 compatibility in the
>> future.
>> Only Wayland (surprise, surprise) will be supported.
>
> Who controls Qt?
The Qt Company: Acts as the main commercial driver, holding
the rights to commercial licenses, setting the roadmap for
core development, and providing professional tools and quality
assurance.
Qt Group Plc: The parent public company headquartered in
Espoo, Finland, that oversees business operations and
commercialization.Open Source ContributionThe
Qt Project: An open-source governance model where individual
developers and external organizations (such as Intel or KDAB)
contribute code, review patches, and maintain specific modules
alongside internal maintainers.
> I never liked Gtk but I've been playing with it lately.
> I still don't like it. Ridiculously long function names that all start
> with gtk_ are a pain in the ass.
I like the C++ wrapper, gtkmm. I forked a project that used that,
and liked that framework.
But when I decided to upgrade the project and provide a Windows
version, I started with another fork that used Qt, because it
seemed like Qt's cross-platform support was a bit better.
That was years ago, and I've gotten used to Qt. (The project can
be built without a GUI and run as a headless app.)
> It's ironic Gtk was developed because Qt wasn't 'free'. Be careful of what
> you wish for.
Gtk is C code, while Qt is C++ code, and is supporting newer C++
constructs such as using lambda functions as slots.
I once wrote an audio player using C, simulating "classes" via
unions. It was so instructive I never did that again.
--
Anything labeled "NEW" and/or "IMPROVED" isn't. The label means the
price went up. The label "ALL NEW", "COMPLETELY NEW", or "GREAT NEW"
means the price went way up.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncq9urFovvdU39@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89124 |
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 17:57:44 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > I once wrote an audio player using C, simulating "classes" via unions. > It was so instructive I never did that again. When I look at C++ I envision what it's doing under the hood to provide the syntactic sugar. Not pretty. I never cared much for full blown every trick in the book C++ and if I use it it looks like C With Classes. For that matter the early edition of Stroustrup's book that I have looks about the same. Esri's API was C++/COM and it took some getting used to 'smart pointers'. You start of with 'IFeaturePtr pFeature'. That's pretty straight forward. A feature has a geometry, so pFeature->get_Shape(&pGeometry) makes sense. And then.. ICurvePtr pCurve = pGeometry; WTF? pCurve has a bunch of methods that pGeometry doesn't. Esri finally switched to C# thankfully.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <XZV9S.21$wI58.19@fx44.iad> |
| In reply to | #89121 |
On 2026-07-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 16:40:48 +0000, Farley Flud wrote: > >> Well, guess what. IBM/RedHat controls the development of GTK+ >> and they will most like pull the plug on X11 compatibility in the >> future. >> Only Wayland (surprise, surprise) will be supported. > > Who controls Qt? I never liked Gtk but I've been playing with it lately. > I still don't like it. Ridiculously long function names that all start > with gtk_ are a pain in the ass. > > It's ironic Gtk was developed because Qt wasn't 'free'. Be careful of what > you wish for. I haven't done much GUI programming in Linux. I'd like to port my Windows stuff and I've done some experimenting, but I wound up using GTK instead of Qt simply because only GTK has C bindings and I didn't want to have to rewrite everything in C++. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <1149bne$3p5ep$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89137 |
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 04:11:35 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I haven't done much GUI programming in Linux. I'd like to port my > Windows stuff and I've done some experimenting, but I wound up using > GTK instead of Qt simply because only GTK has C bindings and I > didn't want to have to rewrite everything in C++. I’ve been using GTK from Python almost by default. The “GI Repository” system provides good bindings, for Python and other high-level languages. I wanted a GUI that had a decent event loop -- i.e. poll(2)-style event handling, not busy-waiting, so that ruled out Tkinter. Currently I have been experimenting a bit with this <https://pywebview.flowrl.com/>.
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