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  WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-04 18:23 +0000
    Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-04 18:41 +0000
      Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 00:36 +0100
        Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-05 01:31 -0400
          Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:07 +0000
            Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 18:15 +0000
            Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:11 +0000
            Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 00:54 +0100
          Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:08 +0000
      Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 00:02 +0000
        Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-05 02:00 -0400
          Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:17 +0000
            Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 00:30 +0000
              Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 12:42 +0100
        Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-05 13:35 +0200
          Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-05 12:41 +0000
            Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-05 15:12 +0200
              Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-05 13:55 +0000
                Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 15:11 +0100
                  Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 18:49 +0000
                Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 23:42 +0000
              Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 18:47 +0000
            Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 18:39 +0000
            Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 00:44 +0100
              Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-06 17:50 +0000
                Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-06 21:11 +0000
                  Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-06 21:54 +0000
                    Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-07 00:25 +0000
                Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:57 +0100
                  Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-07 17:26 +0000
                    Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 20:14 +0100
          Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 21:47 +0000
            Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:10 +0200
              Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-06 21:13 +0000
                Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-06 23:57 +0200
                  Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-07 00:22 +0000
                    Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:27 +0200
                      Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-07 06:54 +0000
                        Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-07 10:59 +0200
                          Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 00:47 +0000
    Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 09:33 -0700
      Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 18:59 +0000
        Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 12:43 -0700
          Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-06 21:54 +0000
            Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-07 03:41 +0000
        Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 09:02 +0100

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#88722

On 4 Jul 2026 18:23:24 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/>
> 
> It must leave a sour taste.

Honestly, I'm not sure if there any any 'Softies left who get invested
in the ol' team-sports tribalism; it's been nigh-on 15 yrs. since Satya
gutted the old guard, and nothing about Win11 gives any suggestion of a
development staff who're actually invested in the end product. Old-
school freenix die-hards might well be the only ones still carrying the
torch for that rivalry, at this point.

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#88727

On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 09:33:11 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> On 4 Jul 2026 18:23:24 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-
because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/>
>> 
>> It must leave a sour taste.
> 
> Honestly, I'm not sure if there any any 'Softies left who get invested
> in the ol' team-sports tribalism; it's been nigh-on 15 yrs. since Satya
> gutted the old guard, and nothing about Win11 gives any suggestion of a
> development staff who're actually invested in the end product. Old-
> school freenix die-hards might well be the only ones still carrying the
> torch for that rivalry, at this point.

There may be a few hiding in the closets but it is a different company 
under Nadella.  With the revenue up 17% year over year I doubt many are 
questioning his leadership.

Azure, Teams, Office, LinkedIn, and CoPilot are cash cows. MS isn't 
forthcoming about the product mix but the guess is Windows 11, bot OEM and 
enterprise sales, are about 10%. 

It's more than WSL. VS Code is very popular and is cross platform. Purists 
can use Codium or Cose OSS. I did find that since Codium doesn't use the 
MS repository for extensions, not all are available. I did add them to get 
the CircuitPython extension but it had problems so I went back to Code.

Dotnet is available on Linux. The ability to create desktop GUIs isn't 
there yet but ASP.NET works fine. I haven't installed it but SQL Server is 
available on Linux too. 

Ballmer's dog in the manager approach didn't work. I'm reaching but I 
think there may be a cultural implication. Indian culture doesn't lend 
itself to the One True God syndrome. 

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#88730

On 6 Jul 2026 18:59:33 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> I'm reaching but I think there may be a cultural implication. Indian
> culture doesn't lend itself to the One True God syndrome. 

I wouldn't put it down to that - Nadella seems dead convinced he's all
the techno-messiah we'll ever need. But he certainly swept out most of
the Priests of the Old Ways when he took the reins.

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#88736

On 2026-07-06, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6 Jul 2026 18:59:33 GMT
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm reaching but I think there may be a cultural implication. Indian
>> culture doesn't lend itself to the One True God syndrome. 
>
> I wouldn't put it down to that - Nadella seems dead convinced he's all
> the techno-messiah we'll ever need. But he certainly swept out most of
> the Priests of the Old Ways when he took the reins.

https://www.sandraandwoo.com/2016/06/09/0793-an-offer-you-cant-refuse-ww/

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  of this post.

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#88742

On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 21:54:41 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-07-06, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6 Jul 2026 18:59:33 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm reaching but I think there may be a cultural implication. Indian
>>> culture doesn't lend itself to the One True God syndrome.
>>
>> I wouldn't put it down to that - Nadella seems dead convinced he's all
>> the techno-messiah we'll ever need. But he certainly swept out most of
>> the Priests of the Old Ways when he took the reins.
> 
> https://www.sandraandwoo.com/2016/06/09/0793-an-offer-you-cant-refuse-
ww/

I've checked out the audiobook of 'Hit Refresh', Nadella's book, from the 
library. That's not my favorite format but that's what was available. The 
book came out in 2017 but in the foreword Gates is already trumpeting AI.

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#88750

On 06/07/2026 19:59, rbowman wrote:
> Ballmer's dog in the manager approach didn't work. I'm reaching but I
> think there may be a cultural implication. Indian culture doesn't lend
> itself to the One True God syndrome.

But they sure can LIE.

Salman Rushdie's 'Haroun and the Sea of Stories' features the 'Shah of 
Blah'...

Its far less of a deadly sin than e.g. abandoning one's family....

-- 
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

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