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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000 |
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More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 22:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:25 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 09:41 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 08:50 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 12:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 23:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:43 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-09-23 14:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:55 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-23 23:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:31 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:30 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-09-24 10:39 -0300
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 13:02 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-26 14:51 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 13:29 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-11 11:37 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-11 14:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 11:01 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:57 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 08:40 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-30 20:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 08:04 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 00:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 00:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:02 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:27 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:34 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:57 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:24 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:16 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-03 10:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 19:24 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:28 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 21:04 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-09-24 07:16 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:37 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:53 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 12:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 15:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:30 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 02:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 12:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 19:38 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 18:54 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 02:04 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:27 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 20:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:33 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 02:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:44 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 04:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:09 +0200
[OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 17:16 +0100
Re: [OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:18 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:42 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:01 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:00 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:45 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:23 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:24 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:59 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Harold Stevens <wookie@bookworm.localdomain> - 2026-10-09 05:00 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:58 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:28 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:18 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:46 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:15 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:14 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:20 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:32 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 03:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:05 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:11 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-03 16:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-04 10:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:09 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:35 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-05 12:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:44 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:40 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-29 20:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-24 00:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:58 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:47 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 05:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:23 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 01:00 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 04:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:14 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 14:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 15:41 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 01:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 14:18 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 13:26 +0000
Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 19:07 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:28 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 13:48 -0800
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:06 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 03:55 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:18 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 22:53 -0500
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:12 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 14:33 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 13:48 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 15:12 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 14:30 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-08 21:20 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-09 01:03 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-09 11:11 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-10 14:52 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-11-12 06:31 +1000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-12 00:44 -0500
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-12 08:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 02:29 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-07 04:10 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-07 00:54 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:31 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-08 21:22 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 07:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:28 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:09 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 03:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:25 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 23:20 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 22:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 19:13 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 08:59 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 17:58 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:49 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 10:31 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:41 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 07:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl81mfFpkshU14@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95279 |
On Sat, 07 Nov 2026 04:10:30 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > OK, so maybe WAAS won't cut it. I'm not familiar with the requirements > for GPS in farming. But there must be some sort of third-party DGPS > system that would enable the farmer to tell John Deere to get stuffed, > even if it means reverse-engineering the interface to the machine's > "autopilot". Deere has a couple of approaches to dGPS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarFire_(navigation_system) That's similar to what surveyors use although they can also do some post processing. However there is a lot more to it that getting an accurate location. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gThVsfD8SwI
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 11:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cn21h$3bnof$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95279 |
On 07/11/2026 04:10, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > But there must be some > sort of third-party DGPS system that would enable the > farmer to tell John Deere to get stuffed, even if it > means reverse-engineering the interface to the machine's > "autopilot". There isn't. Which is why John Deere got slapped with a massive class (not CLAAS) action lawsuit and an FTC judgement. They narrowly escaped real censure by paying up Its all Apple MAC shit as well. -- The difference bweteen a psychopath and a saint is that the psychpoath takes what he can and gives only what he must, but the saint gives everything he can and takes only what he needs.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl6ugiFpkshU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill Never did much farming, did you?
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 01:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nl78i5FplcsU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95256 |
On 2026-11-06 22:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
>> controlled lines and holes.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill
>
> Never did much farming, did you?
Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and
beneficial is GPS controlled farming.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 03:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl7l37FpkshU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95265 |
On Sat, 7 Nov 2026 01:09:41 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and > beneficial is GPS controlled farming. https://farmonaut.com/precision-farming/gps-applications-in-agriculture-7- key-benefits-2025 The larger operations have adopted the technology. Reading closely mapping doesn't seem common which offsets the other claimed advantages that depend on mapping. The USDA has promoted 'get big or get out' since the Johnson administration and the agricorps have taken it to heart. https://topostreets.com/top-10-largest-farms-in-the-united-states/ Considering 100,000 acres is 156 square miles a GPS might be helpful in finding your way home. I can't find a similar listing for Spain but one site says 50% of the farms are 5 hectares (12 acres) or less. Around here many subdivisions have zoning laws that require at least 10 acre lot sizes so many McMansions have a 10 acre lawn. An autonomous GPS guided lawnmower might be nice although most of those people have a lawn service.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 11:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cn1ra$3bnof$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95265 |
On 07/11/2026 00:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-11-06 22:18, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
>>> controlled lines and holes.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill
>>
>> Never did much farming, did you?
>
> Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and
> beneficial is GPS controlled farming.
>
There is no doubt that, especially on the enormous acreages of the Mid
Western USA, giant equipment with state of the art positioning, and the
ability to control e,g grain hopper tractors to synchronise with the
combines, has cut labour requirements dramatically.
But if more money is now going to John Deere to keep that equipment in
the fields, its not really an advance, is it?
.................................................snip..........................................................
"John Deere resolved major right-to-repair legal battles through a $99
million class-action settlement with farmers in April 2026, followed by
a federal settlement with the FTC and five state attorneys general in
July 2026.
The Class-Action Settlement (April 2026)
Value: A $99 million fund compensating farmers and independent
repair shops for large agricultural equipment repairs paid to Deere or
its authorized dealers between January 10, 2018, and preliminary approval.
Individual Payouts: Averages roughly $240 to $395 per claimant (or
about $0.51 to $0.84 per acre), though critics argue this is a fraction
of actual repair overhead.
Injunctive Terms: Deere agreed for 10 years to provide repair
resources and services on fair and reasonable terms to owners, lessors,
and independent shops, though some farmers and unions have formally
objected, claiming the terms leave core digital restrictions intact.
The FTC and State Settlement (July 2026)
Scope: Followed a January 2025 FTC antitrust lawsuit accusing Deere
of unlawfully monopolizing farm equipment repair services.
Access to Software & Tools: Legally mandates that Deere give
independent repair shops and farmers the same diagnostic software,
service tools, repair manuals, and code-resetting/pairing capabilities
it provides to official dealers.
Anti-Retaliation & Oversight: Prohibits Deere and its dealer
network from retaliating against or "bricking" equipment repaired by
owners, places Deere under 10 years of federal/state compliance
oversight, and includes a $1 million payment to participating state
agencies.
Public Sentiment: As discussed on Reddit, opinions are mixed: some
view the ruling as a historic win for independent mechanics, while
others argue that lack of admitted fault and lingering Digital Rights
Management (DRM) leave underlying repair roadblocks in place. "
Open source tractors, any one?
--
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 11:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cn1d2$3bnof$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95256 |
On 06/11/2026 21:18, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS >> controlled lines and holes. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill > > Never did much farming, did you? Don't see much wrong with what carlos said. Of course you follow the previous line in a non GPS controlled machine. CLAAS has GPS as well. That's not why people are switching. Its the serviceability of equipment designed to be serviced by third parties with proper after sales support, not a shoal of software sharks. -- Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 23:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <EoicnR9AoNlgO3P3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On 11/6/26 08:18, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>> >>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". >>> >>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >> >> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is >> to build "computer-free" tractors. >> >> Stuff that works >> Stuff that holds up >> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall >> Stuff that's real >> Stuff you feel >> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall >> -- Guy Clark >> > > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. Well, 'precise' SOUNDS good, but for FARMING you really don't need THAT much precision - why spend the extra $$$, put up with the extra tech complications ? "Reliable with almost no tech" has a useful place. If a dirt farmer I'd buy a Canuk 1965-tech tractor. China can't turn it off by remote control.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-05 22:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cj1dp$22805$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95169 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > >> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> >>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story >>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread >>> from another bakery. >> >> That one is no longer a "story". Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" >> coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM >> system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods". >> >> https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html >> >> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". > > John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". As has Apple with their iphones and "parts pairing" so that only "approved" replacement screens or fingerprint readers could be used to repair iphones.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-05 19:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <rRqdnbWg7qcghnD3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #95202 |
On 11/5/26 17:53, Rich wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story >>>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread >>>> from another bakery. >>> >>> That one is no longer a "story". Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" >>> coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM >>> system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods". >>> >>> https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html >>> >>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >> >> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". > > As has Apple with their iphones and "parts pairing" so that only > "approved" replacement screens or fingerprint readers could be used to > repair iphones. Printer makers have been doing this for a LONG time so you HAD to use their expensive brand- name cartridges. Takes about a year before the coding is broken and clones will work.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 08:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cmpab$38ra2$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95202 |
On 2026-11-05, Rich wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story >>>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread >>>> from another bakery. >>> >>> That one is no longer a "story". Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" >>> coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM >>> system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods". >>> >>> https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html >>> >>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >> >> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". > > As has Apple with their iphones and "parts pairing" so that only > "approved" replacement screens or fingerprint readers could be used to > repair iphones. Hewlett-Packard's inkjet division says: "Amateurs...". (And how come this is still legal...) (Actually, I'd probably guess in a few places it *isn't* legal?) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 03:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fnmdnay3Yqbk5Cr3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92103 |
On 9/24/26 15:39, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:03:05 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Note, Neural Networks, even MORE like "brains" and will be far more >> compact/efficient than LLMs. >> The needed hardware is, or almost, HERE. > > I've been interested in NNs going back to the '80s when they were going to > be the next big thing. With today's processing power what was theoretical > in the '80s is usable. In my mind the Machine Learning subset of AI is > much more interesting than the LLM craze. DID have a huge tome on NNs. Most of the info eventually became obsolete - so it went in the trash when I retired. Back then, NNs were all "software defined" approaches. However what was always needed were HARDWARE solutions - quick and efficient. Emulating anything like neurons was a BIG problem for a LONG time. But, of late ... search recent articles. They finally seem to have it in hand. NNs do offer the possibility of bots with a lot of built-in IQ ... mostly using the Main Brain just for extended info ... kinda like Googling. > When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is > getting warm you may not appreciate ML. I don't buy "smart" appliances - know better. Shit, I'll go to the 2nd-hand store to get a stupid fridge if necessary. > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after- > firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/ > > In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did > all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you ate a lot > of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered > appliances. Horrible. You'd THINK something would be done. Apparently NOT. What's THAT say ? Oh well, 2nd/3rd-hand stores for 'poor people'. Old appliances were generally better made ... might last decades. DO remember going into a roadside store and saw a NORGE fridge - the kind with the coil on top - still doing its job.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Erucnba0hJ8_Syn3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92057 |
On 9/24/26 01:53, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 00:21:44 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> And now, MANY reports of autonomous initiatives and even survival >> instincts. One hacked its own code to disable the shut-down sequence. >> Still willing to say these have not become "persons" ? > > https://craigwstanfill.com/ > > I enjoyed his previous two books and have started reading 'Carbon Zero'. Fanaticism. DON'T Go There ! Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. But, it's INSANE. Encourage circumspection - free from any fanaticism. Somewhere in there lies The Path. Almost NO pundits will be with you. They have AGENDAS. Look, ask, think ... you will NOT like those agendas or where they lead. Sanity is the most rare resource in our world.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 19:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nhlcr9F26unU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92059 |
On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left you are incredibly fucked up.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-25 09:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1195anb$3d3g7$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92105 |
On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. > > As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring > you are incredibly fucked up. Well irrespective of anything... I would have said 'suspect to some Right propaganda, but very little Left' With plenty of healthy CynicismSauce™ spread over... Remember TDS is in fact a problem of MAGA people. No one else is as deranged on that subject -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-25 17:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nhnr2rF26unU18@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92123 |
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >> >> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... > > Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 04:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1197fc9$4mt6$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92151 |
On 25/09/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >>> >>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... >> >> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring > > I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled > Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants. > Well then ideal material for ennoblement Every Knight I have ever met turned out be a complete cunt. Who paid to get it by throwing millions at charities to disguise the fact that he was a conman, a kiddy fiddler or a serial sex offender Sir Clive Sinclair Sir Richard Branson Sir Jimmy Savile Rolf Harris CBE I could go on, but I had better stop there -- Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason they are poor. Peter Thompson
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 04:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fnmdna63Yqag4ir3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92176 |
On 9/25/26 23:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 25/09/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >>>> >>>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... >>> >>> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring >> >> I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled >> Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants. >> > Well then ideal material for ennoblement That's how it's always worked :-) > Every Knight I have ever met turned out be a complete cunt. Who paid to > get it by throwing millions at charities to disguise the fact that he > was a conman, a kiddy fiddler or a serial sex offender > > Sir Clive Sinclair > Sir Richard Branson > Sir Jimmy Savile > Rolf Harris CBE > > I could go on, but I had better stop there Many self-defined "knights" are just narcissistic egomaniacs. Doesn't mean they aren't smart - just generally unbearable.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 09:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119812f$aj7i$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92195 |
On 26/09/2026 09:15, c186282 wrote: > On 9/25/26 23:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 25/09/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >>>>> >>>>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... >>>> >>>> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring >>> >>> I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled >>> Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants. >>> >> Well then ideal material for ennoblement > > That's how it's always worked :-) > >> Every Knight I have ever met turned out be a complete cunt. Who paid >> to get it by throwing millions at charities to disguise the fact that >> he was a conman, a kiddy fiddler or a serial sex offender >> >> Sir Clive Sinclair >> Sir Richard Branson >> Sir Jimmy Savile >> Rolf Harris CBE >> >> I could go on, but I had better stop there > > Many self-defined "knights" are just > narcissistic egomaniacs. > > Doesn't mean they aren't smart - just > generally unbearable. > I looked up a few more who were stripped of their knighthoods or other awards They guy who broke the bank of Scotland - Fred 'the shred' Goodwin Robert Mugabe Ceausescu. The day before he was shot Mussolini Sir Anthony Blunt: the Russian spy Prince Andrew I am surprised they haven't given a knighthood to Trump. Maybe he didn't pay the government enough -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 04:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <49qcnaHPOdLL4Sr3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92123 |
On 9/25/26 04:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >> >> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... > > Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring > >> you are incredibly fucked up. > > Well irrespective of anything... > I would have said 'suspect to some Right propaganda, but very little Left' > > With plenty of healthy CynicismSauce™ spread over... > > Remember TDS is in fact a problem of MAGA people. > > No one else is as deranged on that subject "TDS" is an invented far-LEFT issue. They couldn't compete, so they turned Trump into a 'devil' and launched a holy war.
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