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More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI

Started byLeroy H <lh@somewhere.net>
First post2026-09-22 20:08 +0000
Last post2026-09-26 14:01 +0000
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  More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 22:39 +0000
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:25 -0400
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 09:41 +0100
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 08:50 -0700
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 12:50 +0000
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 23:11 -0400
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:43 +0200
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-09-23 14:09 +0000
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:55 -0400
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-23 23:00 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:31 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:30 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-09-24 10:39 -0300
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 13:02 +0000
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-26 14:51 +0000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 13:29 +0000
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-11 11:37 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-11 14:56 +0000
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 11:01 +0000
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:57 +0100
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 08:40 -0700
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-30 20:50 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:56 -0400
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:21 +0000
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 08:04 -0700
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:48 +0000
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 00:32 -0400
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 00:51 +0100
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:02 -0400
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:27 +0100
                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:21 -0400
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:17 +0100
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:34 -0400
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:57 -0400
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:24 +0100
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:59 -0400
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:02 +0100
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:16 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-03 10:08 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:06 +0100
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:55 +0100
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 19:24 +0200
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:28 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 21:04 +0200
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-09-24 07:16 +1000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0200
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:37 +1000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:53 +0100
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0000
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 12:52 -0400
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:21 +0000
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 15:56 -0400
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:30 -0400
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 02:20 +0000
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:45 -0400
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 12:36 +0000
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:51 -0400
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 19:38 -0400
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 18:54 -0400
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:14 +0100
                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 02:04 +0000
                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:27 -0400
                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:47 -0400
                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 20:17 +0000
                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:33 -0400
                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:55 +0000
                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 02:01 -0400
                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:08 +0100
                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:42 +0000
                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:49 -0400
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:14 +0100
                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:33 +0000
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:44 +0100
                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:13 -0400
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:59 +0100
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 04:11 -0400
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:00 +0000
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:04 +0100
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:47 -0400
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:06 +0100
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:09 +0200
                                                        [OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 17:16 +0100
                                                          Re: [OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:18 +0000
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:13 +0100
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:33 +0200
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:46 -0400
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:18 +0100
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:42 +0200
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:24 +0000
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:44 +0000
                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:56 +0000
                                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:45 -0400
                                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:01 +0100
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:32 -0400
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:00 +0100
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:45 +0100
                                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:23 +0000
                                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:24 -0400
                                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Harold Stevens <wookie@bookworm.localdomain> - 2026-10-09 05:00 -0500
                                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:36 +0000
                                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:21 +0100
                                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:57 +0000
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:58 +0200
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:33 +0100
                                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0200
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:28 +0100
                                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:06 +0100
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:18 -0400
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:21 +0100
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:48 +0000
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:46 +0000
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 04:21 +0000
                                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:15 +0000
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:14 +0100
                                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:27 +0000
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:14 -0400
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:53 +0000
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:56 +0100
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:32 +0000
                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:42 +0100
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 03:08 +0000
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:05 -0400
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:59 -0400
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:04 +0100
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:57 +0000
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:02 +0100
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:11 +0200
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-03 16:09 -0400
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:08 +0100
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-04 10:48 +0000
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:09 +0100
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:35 +0200
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:59 +0100
                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:33 +0200
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:09 +0000
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:03 +0100
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-05 12:51 -0400
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:45 -0400
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:33 +0100
                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:13 +0100
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:27 +0000
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:32 -0400
                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:49 -0400
                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:21 +0100
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:44 -0400
                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:50 +0000
                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:06 +0100
                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:40 +0000
                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:03 +0100
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-29 20:15 -0400
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:46 -0400
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0100
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:00 +0000
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:09 -0400
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-24 00:18 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:24 +0000
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:58 +0100
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:47 +0000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:13 -0400
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:21 -0400
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 05:53 +0000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:03 -0400
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:23 +0200
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:42 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:56 +0200
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 01:00 -0400
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:39 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 04:36 +0000
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:14 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:01 -0400
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 14:43 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 15:41 +0000
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:18 +0000
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:20 +0000
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 01:18 +0000
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 14:18 +0100
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 13:26 +0000
                              Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 19:07 +0100
                                Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:28 +0000
                                  Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 13:48 -0800
                                    Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:06 +0100
                                    Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 03:55 +0000
                                    Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:18 +0000
                                Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 22:53 -0500
                                Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:12 +0000
                                  Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 14:33 +0100
                                    Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 13:48 +0000
                                      Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 15:12 +0100
                                        Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 14:30 +0000
                                          Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-08 21:20 +0100
                                            Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-09 01:03 +0000
                                              Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-09 11:11 +0000
                                              Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-10 14:52 +0100
                                Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-11-12 06:31 +1000
                                  Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-12 00:44 -0500
                                  Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-12 08:27 +0000
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 02:29 +0000
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-07 04:10 +0000
                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-07 00:54 -0500
                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:31 +0000
                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-08 21:22 +0100
                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 07:18 +0000
                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:28 +0000
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:09 +0100
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 03:43 +0000
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:25 +0000
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:17 +0000
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 23:20 -0500
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 22:53 +0000
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 19:13 -0500
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 08:59 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:51 -0400
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:43 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:17 +0100
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 17:58 +0000
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:49 +0100
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:15 -0400
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:51 +0100
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:03 -0400
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:42 +0100
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0100
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 10:31 +0100
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:20 +0000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:41 -0400
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000

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#95287

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-11-07 07:18 +0000
Message-ID<nl81mfFpkshU14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#95279
On Sat, 07 Nov 2026 04:10:30 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> OK, so maybe WAAS won't cut it.  I'm not familiar with the requirements
> for GPS in farming.  But there must be some sort of third-party DGPS
> system that would enable the farmer to tell John Deere to get stuffed,
> even if it means reverse-engineering the interface to the machine's
> "autopilot".

Deere has a couple of approaches to dGPS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarFire_(navigation_system)

That's similar to what surveyors use although they can also do some post 
processing. However there is a lot more to it that getting an accurate 
location. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gThVsfD8SwI

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#95295

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-07 11:28 +0000
Message-ID<11cn21h$3bnof$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95279
On 07/11/2026 04:10, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> But there must be some
> sort of third-party DGPS system that would enable the
> farmer to tell John Deere to get stuffed, even if it
> means reverse-engineering the interface to the machine's
> "autopilot".

There isn't. Which is why John Deere got slapped with a massive class 
(not CLAAS) action lawsuit and an FTC judgement.

They narrowly escaped real censure by paying up

Its all Apple MAC shit as well.


-- 
The difference bweteen a psychopath and a saint is that the psychpoath 
takes what he can and gives only what he must, but the saint gives 
everything he can and takes only what he needs.


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#95256

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-11-06 21:18 +0000
Message-ID<nl6ugiFpkshU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#95237
On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
> controlled lines and holes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill

Never did much farming, did you? 

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#95265

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-11-07 01:09 +0100
Message-ID<nl78i5FplcsU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#95256
On 2026-11-06 22:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
>> controlled lines and holes.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill
> 
> Never did much farming, did you?

Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and 
beneficial is GPS controlled farming.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#95273

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-11-07 03:43 +0000
Message-ID<nl7l37FpkshU11@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#95265
On Sat, 7 Nov 2026 01:09:41 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and
> beneficial is GPS controlled farming.

https://farmonaut.com/precision-farming/gps-applications-in-agriculture-7-
key-benefits-2025

The larger operations have adopted the technology. Reading closely mapping 
doesn't seem common which offsets the other claimed advantages that depend 
on mapping. The USDA has promoted 'get big or get out' since the Johnson 
administration and the agricorps have taken it to heart.

https://topostreets.com/top-10-largest-farms-in-the-united-states/

Considering 100,000 acres is 156 square miles a GPS might be helpful in 
finding your way home.

I can't find a similar listing for Spain but one site says 50% of the 
farms are 5 hectares (12 acres) or less. Around here many subdivisions 
have zoning laws that require at least 10 acre lot sizes so many 
McMansions have a 10 acre lawn. An autonomous GPS guided lawnmower might 
be nice although most of those people have a lawn service.

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#95294

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-07 11:25 +0000
Message-ID<11cn1ra$3bnof$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95265
On 07/11/2026 00:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-11-06 22:18, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
>>> controlled lines and holes.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill
>>
>> Never did much farming, did you?
> 
> Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and 
> beneficial is GPS controlled farming.
> 
There is no doubt that, especially on the enormous acreages of the Mid 
Western USA, giant equipment with state of the art positioning, and the 
ability to control e,g grain hopper tractors to synchronise with the 
combines, has cut labour requirements dramatically.

But if more money is now going to John Deere to keep that equipment in 
the fields, its not really an advance, is it?
.................................................snip..........................................................

"John Deere resolved major right-to-repair legal battles through a $99 
million class-action settlement with farmers in April 2026, followed by 
a federal settlement with the FTC and five state attorneys general in 
July 2026.

The Class-Action Settlement (April 2026)

     Value: A $99 million fund compensating farmers and independent 
repair shops for large agricultural equipment repairs paid to Deere or 
its authorized dealers between January 10, 2018, and preliminary approval.

     Individual Payouts: Averages roughly $240 to $395 per claimant (or 
about $0.51 to $0.84 per acre), though critics argue this is a fraction 
of actual repair overhead.

     Injunctive Terms: Deere agreed for 10 years to provide repair 
resources and services on fair and reasonable terms to owners, lessors, 
and independent shops, though some farmers and unions have formally 
objected, claiming the terms leave core digital restrictions intact.


The FTC and State Settlement (July 2026)

     Scope: Followed a January 2025 FTC antitrust lawsuit accusing Deere 
of unlawfully monopolizing farm equipment repair services.

     Access to Software & Tools: Legally mandates that Deere give 
independent repair shops and farmers the same diagnostic software, 
service tools, repair manuals, and code-resetting/pairing capabilities 
it provides to official dealers.

     Anti-Retaliation & Oversight: Prohibits Deere and its dealer 
network from retaliating against or "bricking" equipment repaired by 
owners, places Deere under 10 years of federal/state compliance 
oversight, and includes a $1 million payment to participating state 
agencies.

     Public Sentiment: As discussed on Reddit, opinions are mixed: some 
view the ruling as a historic win for independent mechanics, while 
others argue that lack of admitted fault and lingering Digital Rights 
Management (DRM) leave underlying repair roadblocks in place. "

Open source tractors, any one?

-- 
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

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#95292

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-07 11:17 +0000
Message-ID<11cn1d2$3bnof$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95256
On 06/11/2026 21:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
>> controlled lines and holes.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill
> 
> Never did much farming, did you?
Don't see much wrong with what carlos said. Of course you follow the 
previous line  in a non GPS controlled machine.

CLAAS has GPS as well. That's not why people are switching. Its the 
serviceability of equipment designed to be serviced by third parties 
with proper after sales support, not a shoal of software sharks.



-- 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the 
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

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#95281

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-11-06 23:20 -0500
Message-ID<EoicnR9AoNlgO3P3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#95237
On 11/6/26 08:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>>>
>>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>>>
>>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
>>
>> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is
>> to build "computer-free" tractors.
>>
>>      Stuff that works
>>      Stuff that holds up
>>      The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall
>>      Stuff that's real
>>      Stuff you feel
>>      The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall
>>        -- Guy Clark
>>
> 
> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS 
> controlled lines and holes.

   Well, 'precise' SOUNDS good, but for FARMING you
   really don't need THAT much precision - why spend the
   extra $$$, put up with the extra tech complications ?

   "Reliable with almost no tech" has a useful place.
   If a dirt farmer I'd buy a Canuk 1965-tech tractor.
   China can't turn it off by remote control.

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#95202

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-11-05 22:53 +0000
Message-ID<11cj1dp$22805$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95169
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
>>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread
>>> from another bakery.
>>
>> That one is no longer a "story".  Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" 
>> coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM 
>> system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods".
>>
>> https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html
>>
>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
> 
> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".

As has Apple with their iphones and "parts pairing" so that only 
"approved" replacement screens or fingerprint readers could be used to 
repair iphones.

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#95210

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-11-05 19:13 -0500
Message-ID<rRqdnbWg7qcghnD3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#95202
On 11/5/26 17:53, Rich wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
>>>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread
>>>> from another bakery.
>>>
>>> That one is no longer a "story".  Some years back, Keurig (the "pod"
>>> coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM
>>> system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods".
>>>
>>> https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html
>>>
>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>
>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
> 
> As has Apple with their iphones and "parts pairing" so that only
> "approved" replacement screens or fingerprint readers could be used to
> repair iphones.

   Printer makers have been doing this for a LONG
   time so you HAD to use their expensive brand-
   name cartridges. Takes about a year before
   the coding is broken and clones will work.

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#95288

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-07 08:59 +0000
Message-ID<11cmpab$38ra2$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95202
On 2026-11-05, Rich wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
>>>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread
>>>> from another bakery.
>>>
>>> That one is no longer a "story".  Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" 
>>> coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM 
>>> system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods".
>>>
>>> https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html
>>>
>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>> 
>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>
> As has Apple with their iphones and "parts pairing" so that only 
> "approved" replacement screens or fingerprint readers could be used to 
> repair iphones.

Hewlett-Packard's inkjet division says: "Amateurs...".

(And how come this is still legal...) (Actually, I'd probably guess in a
few places it *isn't* legal?)

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#92191

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-26 03:51 -0400
Message-ID<fnmdnay3Yqbk5Cr3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92103
On 9/24/26 15:39, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:03:05 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Note, Neural Networks, even MORE like "brains" and will be far more
>>     compact/efficient than LLMs.
>>     The needed hardware is, or almost, HERE.
> 
> I've been interested in NNs going back to the '80s when they were going to
> be the next big thing. With today's processing power what was theoretical
> in the '80s is usable. In my mind the Machine Learning subset of AI is
> much more interesting than the LLM craze.

   DID have a huge tome on NNs. Most of the info
   eventually became obsolete - so it went in the
   trash when I retired.

   Back then, NNs were all "software defined"
   approaches. However what was always needed
   were HARDWARE solutions - quick and efficient.

   Emulating anything like neurons was a BIG problem
   for a LONG time.

   But, of late ... search recent articles. They
   finally seem to have it in hand.

   NNs do offer the possibility of bots with a lot
   of built-in IQ ... mostly using the Main Brain
   just for extended info ... kinda like Googling.

> When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is
> getting warm you may not appreciate ML.

   I don't buy "smart" appliances - know better.
   Shit, I'll go to the 2nd-hand store to get a
   stupid fridge if necessary.

> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after-
> firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/
> 
> In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did
> all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you ate a lot
> of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered
> appliances.

   Horrible.

   You'd THINK something would be done.

   Apparently NOT.

   What's THAT say ?

   Oh well, 2nd/3rd-hand stores for 'poor people'.

   Old appliances were generally better made ...
   might last decades.

   DO remember going into a roadside store and
   saw a NORGE fridge - the kind with the coil
   on top - still doing its job.

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#92059

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
Message-ID<Erucnba0hJ8_Syn3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92057
On 9/24/26 01:53, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 00:21:44 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     And now, MANY reports of autonomous initiatives and even survival
>>     instincts. One hacked its own code to disable the shut-down sequence.
>>     Still willing to say these have not become "persons" ?
> 
> https://craigwstanfill.com/
> 
> I enjoyed his previous two books and have started reading 'Carbon Zero'.

   Fanaticism.

   DON'T Go There !

   Yea yea ... I've come to realize that
   you are tilted Deep Left.

   But, it's INSANE.

   Encourage circumspection - free from
   any fanaticism.

   Somewhere in there lies The Path.

   Almost NO pundits will be with you. They
   have AGENDAS.

   Look, ask, think ... you will NOT like those
   agendas or where they lead.

   Sanity is the most rare resource in our world.

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#92105

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-24 19:43 +0000
Message-ID<nhlcr9F26unU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#92059
On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left.

As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left you are incredibly fucked 
up. 

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#92123

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-25 09:17 +0100
Message-ID<1195anb$3d3g7$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#92105
On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left.
> 
> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left...

Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring

> you are incredibly fucked up.

Well irrespective of anything...
I would have said 'suspect to some Right propaganda, but very little Left'

With plenty of healthy CynicismSauce™ spread over...

Remember TDS is in fact a problem of MAGA people.

No one else is as deranged on that subject

-- 
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
fully understood.

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#92151

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-25 17:58 +0000
Message-ID<nhnr2rF26unU18@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#92123
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left.
>> 
>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left...
> 
> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring

I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled 
Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants.

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#92176

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-26 04:49 +0100
Message-ID<1197fc9$4mt6$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#92151
On 25/09/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left.
>>>
>>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left...
>>
>> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring
> 
> I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled
> Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants.
> 
Well then ideal material for ennoblement

Every Knight I have ever met turned out be a complete cunt. Who paid to 
get it by throwing millions at charities to disguise the fact that he 
was a conman, a kiddy fiddler or a serial sex offender

Sir Clive Sinclair
Sir Richard Branson
Sir Jimmy Savile
Rolf Harris CBE

I could go on, but I had better stop there


-- 
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich 
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason 
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

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#92195

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-26 04:15 -0400
Message-ID<fnmdna63Yqag4ir3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92176
On 9/25/26 23:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/09/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left.
>>>>
>>>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left...
>>>
>>> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring
>>
>> I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled
>> Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants.
>>
> Well then ideal material for ennoblement

   That's how it's always worked :-)

> Every Knight I have ever met turned out be a complete cunt. Who paid to 
> get it by throwing millions at charities to disguise the fact that he 
> was a conman, a kiddy fiddler or a serial sex offender
> 
> Sir Clive Sinclair
> Sir Richard Branson
> Sir Jimmy Savile
> Rolf Harris CBE
> 
> I could go on, but I had better stop there

   Many self-defined "knights" are just
   narcissistic egomaniacs.

   Doesn't mean they aren't smart - just
   generally unbearable.

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#92199

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-26 09:51 +0100
Message-ID<119812f$aj7i$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#92195
On 26/09/2026 09:15, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/25/26 23:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 25/09/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left...
>>>>
>>>> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring
>>>
>>> I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled
>>> Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants.
>>>
>> Well then ideal material for ennoblement
> 
>    That's how it's always worked :-)
> 
>> Every Knight I have ever met turned out be a complete cunt. Who paid 
>> to get it by throwing millions at charities to disguise the fact that 
>> he was a conman, a kiddy fiddler or a serial sex offender
>>
>> Sir Clive Sinclair
>> Sir Richard Branson
>> Sir Jimmy Savile
>> Rolf Harris CBE
>>
>> I could go on, but I had better stop there
> 
>    Many self-defined "knights" are just
>    narcissistic egomaniacs.
> 
>    Doesn't mean they aren't smart - just
>    generally unbearable.
> 
I looked up a few more who were stripped of their knighthoods or other 
awards

They guy who broke the bank of Scotland - Fred 'the shred' Goodwin
Robert Mugabe
Ceausescu. The day before he was shot
Mussolini
Sir Anthony Blunt: the Russian spy
Prince Andrew

I am surprised they haven't given a knighthood to Trump.
Maybe he didn't pay the government enough


-- 
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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#92193

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-26 04:03 -0400
Message-ID<49qcnaHPOdLL4Sr3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92123
On 9/25/26 04:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left.
>>
>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left...
> 
> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring
> 
>> you are incredibly fucked up.
> 
> Well irrespective of anything...
> I would have said 'suspect to some Right propaganda, but very little Left'
> 
> With plenty of healthy CynicismSauce™ spread over...
> 
> Remember TDS is in fact a problem of MAGA people.
> 
> No one else is as deranged on that subject

   "TDS" is an invented far-LEFT issue. They
   couldn't compete, so they turned Trump
   into a 'devil' and launched a holy war.

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