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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-10-16 03:26 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-10-18 10:59 +0000 |
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Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 04:04 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:24 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 19:27 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:20 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 01:13 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-17 02:32 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 03:04 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:41 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-18 12:45 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:05 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 17:25 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 20:19 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:16 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:53 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-16 06:02 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI "Peyton" <peyton@solacium.us> - 2026-10-15 23:26 -0700
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 06:42 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-16 07:41 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 06:39 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-16 04:22 -0400
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:54 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 09:19 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 08:40 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:52 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:47 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-17 23:29 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-10-19 17:18 -0300
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Helmut Waitzmann <nn.throttle@erine.email> - 2026-10-21 00:54 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-23 18:50 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-23 23:59 -0400
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-24 11:53 +0200
Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-24 12:10 +0000
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-24 18:53 +0200
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 00:28 -0400
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-26 06:20 +0100
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 03:38 -0400
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-27 05:01 +0100
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-27 12:24 -0400
[OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 01:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 05:26 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-28 19:33 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:19 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-29 12:27 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 03:40 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:24 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 23:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:40 +0100
Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 10:49 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-31 13:11 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:53 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 22:41 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:31 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-11-01 20:50 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:27 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-31 14:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 16:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 22:11 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:18 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:59 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-11-01 18:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:32 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:26 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 02:17 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:22 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:24 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 04:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:28 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:36 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:29 +0000
Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-01 01:08 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:03 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-11-01 10:58 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:27 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:57 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:07 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:32 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:35 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:22 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 03:02 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:50 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:28 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:14 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 21:18 -0500
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:31 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 18:32 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 19:51 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:49 -0800
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-28 17:01 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 17:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-28 18:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2026-10-28 23:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-29 00:46 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:36 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 09:13 -0700
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-29 18:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 04:00 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 17:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-29 20:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:18 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 21:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:58 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-30 15:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 00:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 04:33 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 11:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 17:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-30 17:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 18:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 20:12 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:07 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:38 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:30 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-01 10:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:35 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 13:50 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:42 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:38 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:29 -0700
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 02:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 19:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 18:17 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:45 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 21:00 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 02:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 04:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 14:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-11-02 17:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:25 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 03:56 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:03 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:56 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:42 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 19:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 01:28 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:41 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:22 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:11 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 11:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:02 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:35 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 18:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:29 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:28 +0000
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Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:01 +0100
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Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:53 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 04:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:27 +0000
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 15:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <XWmGS.36643$8SW5.6652@fx40.iad> |
| In reply to | #94982 |
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 02:42:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Consider that while the mini people were making a big thing of DMA, >> the term was unheard of in the mainframe world - mainframers just >> took it for granted. > >The mainframe world had “channels”, which were practically autonomous >controllers with their own ability to obey complex sequences of >program instructions while the CPU was busy doing application stuff. True for IBM systems. Burroughs systems had/have intelligent I/O controllers to offload I/O handling from both the CPUs and the I/O channels. > >The mini people were spending a lot of time building systems which >could efficiently respond to a CPU interrupt on every user keystroke. >Even the thought of that would have filled mainframers with horror. No, as a former mainframe designer, there was no horror involved. Our customers preferred to offload such workloads to dedicated front-end controllers (in our case, one of which was built around an HP-2000). Recalling at the time that interactive used was typically form-based (e.g. airline reservation systems, bank teller terminals, etc) and the block mode terminals of the day typically transferred the contents of the screen (or the form fields on the screen) in a single transmission.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 22:29 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <NJSdnXB0eP3eyHT3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94979 |
On 11/2/26 21:42, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-11-02, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm also a bit astonished about your mention of using mainframes for >> efficient I/O. Networking clusters appear to me to be much better able >> than a single mainframe instance. The older mainframe architectures we >> used also had a lot of peripheral processors to specifically handle >> the I/O. > > True, but back in 1970 there wasn't a lot of networking happening, > largely because people hadn't really figured it out yet. Mainframe > I/O capacity was prodigious at the time - early minis could hardly > manage the megabyte-per-second speeds that mainframes dealt with > routinely. Consider that while the mini people were making a big > thing of DMA, the term was unheard of in the mainframe world - > mainframers just took it for granted. OLD mainframes were, well, OLD. Modern versions have MANY I/O/net ports. E-Commerce is assumed. 10k user connections at once, no problems. Things HAVE moved on since 1961 after all ... The age of the "mainframe" may be coming to an end alas. 'Cluster'/AI solutions are going to replace them for most uses. However science/govt still have uses for big ultra-powerful boxes for awhile anyway. SOME advantage in keeping access 'local' too - as opposed to spread all over the highly-vulnerable net. Oh well, maybe I can buy one of those big black IBM units for really cheap in a few years ? CANDY !!!
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <Dc3GS.155667$DBw4.33229@fx24.iad> |
| In reply to | #94921 |
On 2026-11-02, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote: > On 2026-11-02 07:28, c186282 wrote: >> [...] >> >> WOULD love one or two of those big black IBM >> mainframe units. Not sure what I'd DO with >> them, but they'd be SO cool ! > > :-) > > There's a couple hardware types I'd have liked to have - > and I'd also not know what to do with them but to wallow > in memories. I know what you mean. I don't think I'll ever actually use that pair of tape drives I have sitting in the hangar - but they're a good conversation piece. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 11:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11c9r8v$2oln7$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94917 |
On 02/11/2026 06:28, c186282 wrote: > I can believe "board of directors" ... but not so much the hands-on > people at DEC. If your hands-on is building boards out of TTL in 100 quantities it isn't necessarily relevant to competing with mass produced motherboards and Intel chipsets made in millions. Or designing you own µprocessor. PCs just swept the opposition away. And Microsoft surfed the wave to corporate dominance in an era of me-too hardware. Unix staggered on for multi-user systems till Linus said 'fuck this for a game of soldiers'... Even ARM was initially a desperate attempt to create s 'better 6502' for the ultra low end home/educational computers, designed to use as few transistors as a struggling British company could afford to have fabbed. In the tradition of proper engineering it was 'doing for five bob what any damn fool can do for a quid'...and its ultra low hardware footprint and elegant instruction set made it first of all incredibly cheap for embedded use, and ultimately de facto for low power consumption. An entirely unintentional side effect of trying to make it CHEAP. Like Microsoft, it happened to be standing in the right place at the right time. People like to represent themselves as genius visionaries: But my experience is more that its a simple question of being in the right place at the right time, and the only smarts is in recognising that. The rise of LSI in the 70s made minicomputers possible. The rise of mass produced microprocessors in the 1980s made them irrelevant. And the 90s was really all about software. -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 19:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nks7agF2rmsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94927 |
On Mon, 2 Nov 2026 11:13:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > The rise of LSI in the 70s made minicomputers possible. The rise of mass > produced microprocessors in the 1980s made them irrelevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PALM_processor I've posted it before but the PALM was IBM's last shot at LSIs for low end business systems. The 5120 successor, the System/23 used the Intel 8085.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 17:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cafl4$2f8s$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #94917 |
According to c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>: >On 11/1/26 21:16, John Levine wrote: >> According to c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>: >>> Umm ... NOT so unusual for the times :-) >>> >>> Gotta wonder. Big powerful cutting-edge corp >>> with good history suddenly crashes and burns ...... >> >> Sheesh, it's not like it's hard to find out what happened. The world of microprocessors >> was different from the world of minicomputers, DEC's management never figured that out, >> and its board of directors didn't either. > > I can believe "board of directors" ... but not > so much the hands-on people at DEC. ... >> Gordon Bell wrote this afterword for the "DEC is Dead" book which explains it well. >> >> https://gordonbell.azurewebsites.net/CGB%20Files/DEC_Is_Dead_Bell_Appendix_Schein_Book.pdf > > One guy's opinions, probably had a grudge. As usual, > it's gonna be more complicated, subtle, than that. Did you read it? He agrees with what you said. The staff was fantastic, the upper management and board failed. I presume you know who he was, not just some random guy. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 12:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nktva3Fahr1U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94917 |
On 2026-11-02 07:28, c186282 wrote:
> WOULD love one or two of those big black IBM
> mainframe units. Not sure what I'd DO with
> them, but they'd be SO cool ! Anyway they do
> have plenty of customers - govt/uni and big
> industry. Sometimes you NEED a 'mainframe'.
Banks.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 07:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cc1ck$3haor$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94912 |
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> schrieb: > According to c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>: >> Umm ... NOT so unusual for the times :-) >> >> Gotta wonder. Big powerful cutting-edge corp >> with good history suddenly crashes and burns ...... > > Sheesh, it's not like it's hard to find out what happened. The world of microprocessors > was different from the world of minicomputers, DEC's management never figured that out, > and its board of directors didn't either. > > Gordon Bell wrote this afterword for the "DEC is Dead" book which explains it well. > > https://gordonbell.azurewebsites.net/CGB%20Files/DEC_Is_Dead_Bell_Appendix_Schein_Book.pdf Reading "DEC is Dead", one gets the distinct impression that Gordon Bell walked on water as a computer architect, but with the benefit of hindsight, this was not the case. The specifics of the VAX (especially its addressing modes) made sure that it would not scale very well towards higher peformance. -- This USENET posting was made without artificial intelligence, artificial impertinence, artificial arrogance, artificial stupidity, artificial flavorings or artificial colorants.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 20:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cdgii$46jl$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94991 |
On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 07:10:13 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: > The specifics of the VAX (especially its addressing modes) made sure > that it would not scale very well towards higher peformance. You have to remember the time (mid-1970s) when it was being designed; RISC was just beginning to make its presence felt, and it wouldn’t have been clear which approach would have been the best for the next decade or more -- who could see ahead that far? At that point, the world was still full of awkwardly-designed instruction sets that were annoying to program for; the PDP-11 was praised as being a major step forward in this regard, and the plan for VAX was to make it even more so. This sort of thing keeps being discussed on comp.arch. The success of RISC depended on having lots of CPU registers (and later caching as well), and you had to have good compiler technology to manage these hardware resources. The economics of doing all this properly took a few more years to fall into place.
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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 21:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <2026Nov3.221140@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
| In reply to | #95034 |
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 07:10:13 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: > >> The specifics of the VAX (especially its addressing modes) made sure >> that it would not scale very well towards higher peformance. > >You have to remember the time (mid-1970s) when it was being designed; >RISC was just beginning to make its presence felt, and it wouldn’t >have been clear which approach would have been the best for the next >decade or more -- who could see ahead that far? John Cocke. A few years later, David Patterson (Berkeley RISC), and John Hennessy (Stanford MIPS). >the PDP-11 was praised as being a major step >forward in this regard, and the plan for VAX was to make it even more >so. It seems to me that the PDP-11 is easier to run fast than the VAX. But performance was not the only or even dominant goal in the VAX instruction set, as one can see in the VAX call instruction. >The success of >RISC depended on having lots of CPU registers (and later caching as >well), and you had to have good compiler technology to manage these >hardware resources. No. Pipelining is enough to let a RISC in the same technology outperform a VAX 11/780. Followups set to comp.arch. - anton -- 'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.' Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 10:52 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11c9q28$2oln7$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94908 |
On 02/11/2026 00:45, Keith Thompson wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes: >> On 11/1/26 05:16, Thomas Koenig wrote: > [...] >>> Daddy built it, daddy trashed it (Ken Olsen, he was responsible >>> for both). >> >> Developed giant coke habit maybe ? ;-) > > Do you have some basis for this? If it's a joke (yes, I see the > smiley), I fail to see the humor. > During the 90s and noughties, that was the hallmark of a successful professional [politician] Being familiar with its effects on those who I knew in the 70s, I could see evidence of it everywhere. The rictus smile. The cruelty. The arrogance. Think Aztec priests and human sacrifice Who DIDN'T have a giant coke habit then? > [...] > -- Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 15:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <Q42GS.16040$WY1.15091@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #94926 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >On 02/11/2026 00:45, Keith Thompson wrote: >> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes: >>> On 11/1/26 05:16, Thomas Koenig wrote: >> [...] >>>> Daddy built it, daddy trashed it (Ken Olsen, he was responsible >>>> for both). >>> >>> Developed giant coke habit maybe ? ;-) >> >> Do you have some basis for this? If it's a joke (yes, I see the >> smiley), I fail to see the humor. >> >During the 90s and noughties, that was the hallmark of a successful >professional [politician] There was a certain scene in _Die Hard_ (1988) which exemplified the 80's, particularly on the west coast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gtgo5myxr8
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 10:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11c9poo$2oln7$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94906 |
On 01/11/2026 23:17, c186282 wrote: >>> Not entirely sure why they went out of biz - likely idiot >>> management. Daddy builds it, Junior TRASHES it. >> >> Daddy built it, daddy trashed it (Ken Olsen, he was responsible for >> both). > > Developed giant coke habit maybe ? 😉 Back in the day minicomputers, built of LSI TTL and Schotttky TTL were all there was below mainframes Almost none of the manufacturers survived the microprocessor A few people built µP based multi-user computers or high performance workstations. Sun, Irix, HP... etc But it was so much easier to take a standard PC and shove a *86 *nix OS on it rather than build custom hardware. Even IBM went that route. Without some USP other than hardware it was hard to sell such systems. Only SUN really survived. And where are they now? -- For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. H.L.Mencken
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 20:16 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <ha%FS.31557$DTve.27979@fx18.ams4> |
| In reply to | #94925 |
On 11/2/2026 6:47 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Only SUN really survived. And where are they now? Well, we can say that Solaris got forked. The enterprise behemoth got the trade mark, the open source edition got the people. So Illumos is still around, and doing well all things considered. I personally wish them well. -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:; Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 13:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11ca4uo$2t6dm$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94933 |
On 02/11/2026 12:16, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 11/2/2026 6:47 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> Only SUN really survived. And where are they now? > > Well, we can say that Solaris got forked. The enterprise behemoth got > the trade mark, the open source edition got the people. > > So Illumos is still around, and doing well all things considered. > > > I personally wish them well. Sun is part of Oracle They no longer produce any hardware -- How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. Adolf Hitler
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-31 11:49 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nklvdeFas32U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94786 |
On 2026-10-29 22:40, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2026-10-29, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> For those of us too young: When exactly did terminals become common
>>> on university campuses? Please be more specific than "the 1980s".
>>
>> Depends on the country and the uni. Even depends on the department.
>
> I'm asking for personal recollections. When did it happen for you?
> I've been wondering for some time, and this seems like the perfect
> opportunity to ask, given that people have reminisced about their
> punch card days.
>
> And yes, I expect computer science got terminals earlier than
> engineering.
>
>> I think I saw it in 1983, but there were departments that had terminals
>> earlier.
>
> That's one data point, thanks.
I was forced by the system to take first year of engineering at the
university in my province. All engineering had the same first year. Once
we (if!) we passed, we could actually choose what college to continue
in. So, when I arrived to Madrid for my second year (I think that was in
the 83), a friend told me that the computer building that was shared by
all in the campus had switched from cards to terminals, and that I had
just missed it.
And he described me the nightmare that first/second year students had to
suffer to get their stack of cards punched and executed. Could take days.
(I think that the school in which he did the first year had some
computer thing in the Maths course, but I don't remember well what he
told me)
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-31 16:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11c529k$nak9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94836 |
On 2026-10-31 11:49, Carlos E. R. wrote: > [...] So, when I arrived to Madrid for my second year (I think that was in > the 83), a friend told me that the computer building that was shared by > all in the campus had switched from cards to terminals, and that I had > just missed it. > > And he described me the nightmare that first/second year students had to > suffer to get their stack of cards punched and executed. Could take days. Strong words. And absurd time scales. They certainly don't match my observations. All of us did our punch cards based coding often just during the pauses between the lectures; the basic code maybe in an hour, the fixes - usually just one or two iterations needed - done during the "cum tempore" 10 minutes. But most programming in those early beginner courses also wasn't too voluminous, to be fair. What certainly was painful was the (for obvious reasons) inherent non-existence of a <Del> or <Backspace> key on the punch devices. (They had a useful "Copy" key (<Dup>?), though.)[*] BTW, a "nightmare" I considered the keyboards that came with the VT100 series of terminals! (My fingers still ache if I only think back of these days!) Luckily these times passed fast. Janis, now back at his Model-M keyboard clone [*] IIRC, they looked like (or may even have been) these devices: https://mimmsmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Punchcard-708x1024.jpg (For those who couldn't imagine what we dinosaurs are talking about.) :-) Still amazing seeing images of these devices again after all those many decades. > [...]
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-31 20:08 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nkmsliFftpsU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94851 |
On 2026-10-31 16:42, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 2026-10-31 11:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> [...] So, when I arrived to Madrid for my second year (I think that
>> was in the 83), a friend told me that the computer building that was
>> shared by all in the campus had switched from cards to terminals, and
>> that I had just missed it.
>>
>> And he described me the nightmare that first/second year students had
>> to suffer to get their stack of cards punched and executed. Could take
>> days.
>
> Strong words. And absurd time scales. They certainly don't match my
> observations. All of us did our punch cards based coding often just
> during the pauses between the lectures; the basic code maybe in an
> hour, the fixes - usually just one or two iterations needed - done
> during the "cum tempore" 10 minutes. But most programming in those
> early beginner courses also wasn't too voluminous, to be fair.
>
> What certainly was painful was the (for obvious reasons) inherent
> non-existence of a <Del> or <Backspace> key on the punch devices.
> (They had a useful "Copy" key (<Dup>?), though.)[*]
I don't remember if my friend punched his own code, or had it punched.
Would depend on how many punch machines they had for lowly students.
I remember his saying that he had to submit his stack of cards to a
clerk, then given a paper slip to collect the results another day.
...
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-10-31 21:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11c5ij7$nak9$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94861 |
On 2026-10-31 20:08, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > I don't remember if my friend punched his own code, or had it punched. > Would depend on how many punch machines they had for lowly students. We had a "row" of such machines available. Don't recall to have ever waited for a free place (or the waiting time was negligible). > > I remember his saying that he had to submit his stack of cards to a > clerk, then given a paper slip to collect the results another day. The way it was done in our place was technically similar but did not require that much time. The batch cards reader was in an accessible are, you could just put the cards either directly in the reader device or in a queue on a nearby desk where an operator did that job then. The reader was constantly fed with cards by the operators since the queue was also regularly filled by all the students; hardly more delay than, maybe, 15 minutes. The printouts were quickly created with the batch processing by super-fast chain printers, so were also available in short term. Some delay was due to the fanfold paper needed to be physically separated (by the jobs or user IDs) to be associated to the different users. The output landed sorted in a special shelf where we could fetch them. The whole batch process, from the punch cards delivery to getting the printout results in (typically less than) an hour. A peculiarity of the physical separation of the printouts was the application of a nice trick; the printing logic for the front page of the job printed some text (X-es?) across the paper-perforation so that the individual jobs could quickly be detected visually if you looked at the paper stack from the side. Janis
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-01 12:19 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nkolhmFp0edU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94863 |
On 2026-10-31 21:20, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 2026-10-31 20:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> I don't remember if my friend punched his own code, or had it punched.
>> Would depend on how many punch machines they had for lowly students.
>
> We had a "row" of such machines available. Don't recall to have
> ever waited for a free place (or the waiting time was negligible).
>
>>
>> I remember his saying that he had to submit his stack of cards to a
>> clerk, then given a paper slip to collect the results another day.
>
> The way it was done in our place was technically similar but did
> not require that much time.
>
> The batch cards reader was in an accessible are, you could just
> put the cards either directly in the reader device or in a queue
> on a nearby desk where an operator did that job then. The reader
> was constantly fed with cards by the operators since the queue
> was also regularly filled by all the students; hardly more delay
> than, maybe, 15 minutes. The printouts were quickly created with
> the batch processing by super-fast chain printers, so were also
> available in short term. Some delay was due to the fanfold paper
> needed to be physically separated (by the jobs or user IDs) to be
> associated to the different users. The output landed sorted in a
> special shelf where we could fetch them. The whole batch process,
> from the punch cards delivery to getting the printout results in
> (typically less than) an hour.
>
> A peculiarity of the physical separation of the printouts was the
> application of a nice trick; the printing logic for the front page
> of the job printed some text (X-es?) across the paper-perforation
> so that the individual jobs could quickly be detected visually if
> you looked at the paper stack from the side.
Ah! This part I knew nothing about, but makes sense.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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