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Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:26 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:53 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 21:10 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-14 16:00 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-14 23:47 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-15 07:20 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 11:33 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-15 22:41 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:50 +0200
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 19:04 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-08-15 11:07 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 12:18 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 12:20 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:09 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 09:59 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:42 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:02 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 07:10 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 09:32 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 10:13 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:15 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 20:58 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 22:24 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:17 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:11 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:21 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:26 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:29 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 19:36 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:28 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:24 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:19 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:11 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 04:22 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 04:38 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 06:39 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 07:04 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 19:59 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:31 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 03:26 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:50 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 12:06 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 12:51 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 04:02 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 06:35 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:31 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 19:47 +0000
[off-topic] MA 370 flight disappearance (Was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:04 -0300
Re: [off-topic] MA 370 flight disappearance (Was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:11 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:28 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 22:17 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:34 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 03:45 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 23:26 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:40 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 23:42 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 06:10 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 06:30 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:15 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 19:39 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:03 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:25 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 03:56 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 04:40 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 04:46 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 04:59 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:46 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 04:35 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 00:54 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 00:05 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 19:13 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 01:14 -0400
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-17 13:44 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 15:31 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:23 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:16 +0100
Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 20:27 +0100
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 19:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nemg9eFpub2U11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90113 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 07:04:06 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 05:34:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-08-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ >>>> some of those airplanes? >>> >>> I understand a lot of them are purpose-built, by a company based in >>> the same 🇳🇿 city where I live. >> >> It's not a very big market. But a good old Cessna 182 fills the bill >> for small loads. For larger loads jumpers will eagerly go in anything >> that you can take the door off of or open in flight. The Pilatus Porter >> is popular, as is the King Air or Twin Otter for larger loads. Not to >> mention the venerable antiques like the Beech 18 or DC-3. > > I think this <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAC_P-750_XSTOL> is the one > I’m thinking of. Yeah, that's the one that fell down and went boom in June. It isn't the first time that model forgot how to fly. Apparently popular in North Korea.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 01:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1165hsq$33bfm$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90159 |
On 19/08/2026 20:59, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 07:04:06 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 05:34:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2026-08-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ >>>>> some of those airplanes? >>>> >>>> I understand a lot of them are purpose-built, by a company based in >>>> the same 🇳🇿 city where I live. >>> >>> It's not a very big market. But a good old Cessna 182 fills the bill >>> for small loads. For larger loads jumpers will eagerly go in anything >>> that you can take the door off of or open in flight. The Pilatus Porter >>> is popular, as is the King Air or Twin Otter for larger loads. Not to >>> mention the venerable antiques like the Beech 18 or DC-3. >> >> I think this <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAC_P-750_XSTOL> is the one >> I’m thinking of. > > Yeah, that's the one that fell down and went boom in June. It isn't the > first time that model forgot how to fly. Apparently popular in North > Korea. Pilot took it off and stalled it, Maybe 11 skydivers with full packs was outside its weight and balance limits. I've crashed more than one model plane that was unflyable with a too rearward CofG -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 03:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nenafjFpub2U25@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90177 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 01:31:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Pilot took it off and stalled it, Maybe 11 skydivers with full packs was > outside its weight and balance limits. The reported behavior doesn't sound like a stall.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 11:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1166m5n$3drqq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90188 |
On 20/08/2026 04:26, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 01:31:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Pilot took it off and stalled it, Maybe 11 skydivers with full packs was >> outside its weight and balance limits. > > The reported behavior doesn't sound like a stall. The behaviour was reported as a stall Took off, tried to make a hard turn, tip stalled the inner wing and rolled over into the ground -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 12:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1166n32$3drqo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90202 |
On 20/08/2026 11:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 20/08/2026 04:26, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 01:31:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Pilot took it off and stalled it, Maybe 11 skydivers with full packs was >>> outside its weight and balance limits. >> >> The reported behavior doesn't sound like a stall. > > The behaviour was reported as a stall > > Took off, tried to make a hard turn, tip stalled the inner wing and > rolled over into the ground > There is also a suspicion he ran out of power for some reason and tried to do the 'impossible turn' Whatever the reason, he turned too hard at too low an airspeed, stalled and spun it in. -- Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 12:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Whudne7V5OvirRr3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90202 |
On 8/20/26 06:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 20/08/2026 04:26, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 01:31:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Pilot took it off and stalled it, Maybe 11 skydivers with full packs was >>> outside its weight and balance limits. >> >> The reported behavior doesn't sound like a stall. > > The behaviour was reported as a stall > > Took off, tried to make a hard turn, tip stalled the inner wing and > rolled over into the ground OR one of the passengers had a panic attack and tried to force the plane to land immediately ... These days, I'm surprised nobody in the group was running a body cam during the whole exercise.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 04:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <M%uhS.11155$oxY4.8243@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #90177 |
On 2026-08-20, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 19/08/2026 20:59, rbowman wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 07:04:06 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> I think this <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAC_P-750_XSTOL> is the one >>> I’m thinking of. >> >> Yeah, that's the one that fell down and went boom in June. It isn't the >> first time that model forgot how to fly. Apparently popular in North >> Korea. > > Pilot took it off and stalled it, Maybe 11 skydivers with full packs was > outside its weight and balance limits. > > I've crashed more than one model plane that was unflyable with a too > rearward CofG Jumpers want to get out as quickly as possible, because a split second delay getting out the door means a long way to catch up in free fall. Hence there's usually a lot of crowding around the aft door on jump run, and if you're not careful it's easy to put the C of G past the aft limit. There have been some pretty spectacular accidents (with multiple fatalities) from this over the years. On the other hand, this one doesn't sound like your typical stall. As with any other aviation accident, you just have to find the patience to wait until the investigators have done their job. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 06:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nel15uFe0jfU18@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90100 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:38:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ some of >> those airplanes? > > I understand a lot of them are purpose-built, by a company based in the > same 🇳🇿 city where I live. The June 14th crash in Butler Missouri where the pilot and 11 skydivers died was a Pacific Aerospace 750XL. The NTSB hasn't found an obvious problem. It started banking left on the climb out until the wings were vertical to the ground.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 14:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1164b7f$2le0s$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90110 |
On 19/08/2026 07:35, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:38:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ some of >>> those airplanes? >> >> I understand a lot of them are purpose-built, by a company based in the >> same 🇳🇿 city where I live. > > The June 14th crash in Butler Missouri where the pilot and 11 skydivers > died was a Pacific Aerospace 750XL. The NTSB hasn't found an obvious > problem. It started banking left on the climb out until the wings were > vertical to the ground. Stuck controls? Pilot tired of life? -- Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 19:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nemfjeFpub2U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90129 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 14:31:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 19/08/2026 07:35, rbowman wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:38:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ some >>>> of those airplanes? >>> >>> I understand a lot of them are purpose-built, by a company based in >>> the same 🇳🇿 city where I live. >> >> The June 14th crash in Butler Missouri where the pilot and 11 skydivers >> died was a Pacific Aerospace 750XL. The NTSB hasn't found an obvious >> problem. It started banking left on the climb out until the wings were >> vertical to the ground. > > Stuck controls? > Pilot tired of life? The NTSB so far says they haven't found a mechanical problem. The pilot had over 4000 hours and wasn't on anybody's radar as a nutter, He'd flown two jumps earlier in the day. When it comes to the NTSB the mills of the gods grind exceedingly slow.
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 10:04 -0300 |
| Subject | [off-topic] MA 370 flight disappearance (Was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) |
| Message-ID | <87qzjt54ex.fsf_-_@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #90158 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 14:31:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 19/08/2026 07:35, rbowman wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:38:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ some >>>>> of those airplanes? >>>> >>>> I understand a lot of them are purpose-built, by a company based in >>>> the same 🇳🇿 city where I live. >>> >>> The June 14th crash in Butler Missouri where the pilot and 11 skydivers >>> died was a Pacific Aerospace 750XL. The NTSB hasn't found an obvious >>> problem. It started banking left on the climb out until the wings were >>> vertical to the ground. >> >> Stuck controls? >> Pilot tired of life? > > The NTSB so far says they haven't found a mechanical problem. The pilot > had over 4000 hours and wasn't on anybody's radar as a nutter, He'd flown > two jumps earlier in the day. When it comes to the NTSB the mills of the > gods grind exceedingly slow. Speaking of flight disasters, do you guys have any take on the Malaysia Airlines flight 370? I watched everything I could find about that flight. Please share anything that you might have about it that would be highly unconventional---I already know all the story. Quick summary: the pilot was experienced with no evidence at all of any suicide tendencies. The plane has never been found. It seems all tracking equipment was turned off---more details on this would not make it into a quick summary. The best theory IMHO indicates it must have ran out of fuel and dove west of Perth, Australia various hours after leaving its completely different main course. No evidence of terrorism. No information leaked from passengers. Total of 239 people on board. The flight was to go from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing but diverted midway.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 21:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [off-topic] MA 370 flight disappearance (Was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) |
| Message-ID | <nep8r4Fpub2U38@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90211 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 10:04:38 -0300, Anton Antimo wrote: > Speaking of flight disasters, do you guys have any take on the Malaysia > Airlines flight 370? I watched everything I could find about that > flight. > Please share anything that you might have about it that would be highly > unconventional---I already know all the story. It was taken down by a Ukrainian drone. I read it on 4chan.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 02:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_46cnQMXs59s0Rj3nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90098 |
On 8/19/26 00:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Back in my early skydiving days I was so spaced out by the experience >>> that I was given the nickname "Spaceman". >> >> Jumping out of perfectly good airplanes... > > Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... > have you _seen_ some of those airplanes? > > If not, try watching the movie "Fandango" - > the skydiving scenes, while hilarious, are > a lot closer to reality than you might think. Never seen it. Also would never intentionally jump out of a perfectly good plane.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pglhS.2464$5X3e.1395@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #90108 |
On 2026-08-19, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 8/19/26 00:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Back in my early skydiving days I was so spaced out by the experience
>>>> that I was given the nickname "Spaceman".
>>>
>>> Jumping out of perfectly good airplanes...
>>
>> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper...
>> have you _seen_ some of those airplanes?
>>
>> If not, try watching the movie "Fandango" -
>> the skydiving scenes, while hilarious, are
>> a lot closer to reality than you might think.
>
> Never seen it.
>
> Also would never intentionally jump out
> of a perfectly good plane.
As I would tell people:
If you haven't tried it, no explanation is possible.
If you have, none is necessary.
Man small.
Why fall?
Skies call.
That's all.
-- Andy Keech
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people:
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 22:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nemockFpub2U23@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90149 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 16:57:57 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > As I would tell people: > If you haven't tried it, no explanation is possible. > If you have, none is necessary. When I was a kid the arsenal had an open house and set up sort of a jump tower. It was more like a zip line. They would strap you into the harness and boot you off the edge. That was enough of that for me. I enjoyed learning to fly but I never was very comfortable driving the plane let alone jumping out of it. I know the statistics but I'll stick to bikes if I want the wind in my face.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 01:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1165i3c$33bfm$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90169 |
On 19/08/2026 23:17, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 16:57:57 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> As I would tell people: >> If you haven't tried it, no explanation is possible. >> If you have, none is necessary. > > When I was a kid the arsenal had an open house and set up sort of a jump > tower. It was more like a zip line. They would strap you into the harness > and boot you off the edge. That was enough of that for me. > Abseiling off a 100ft viaduct was more than enough for me > I enjoyed learning to fly but I never was very comfortable driving the > plane let alone jumping out of it. I know the statistics but I'll stick to > bikes if I want the wind in my face. > Well I preferred 4 wheels. I think one of the best experiences was driving a go-kart on slicks around Brands Hatch short circuit in the pouring rain. There is a sort of stream that runs across the tack and one point... -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 03:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nenbi4Fpub2U26@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90178 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 01:34:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Well I preferred 4 wheels. I had my moments in my misbegotten youth with an AH Sprite. Fun little scooter although under-powered with brakes to match. It was a '62 during the transition from the bugeye, so it had the slightly larger engine but the bugeye's inadequate drum brakes. It wasn't that great a problem since it could barely do 80 with a tailwind. You did get plenty of fresh air since if it started to rain you had to assemble the top from bits and pieces in the trunk (boot). Usually I just drove on; you were going to get soaked either way. I only saw it while passing today so it might had been a replica but there was a pristine looking MG TD at a shop that specializes in old Beetles. Classy looking although even slower than a Midget/Sprite.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 23:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7_CcnWPL6eNP7hv3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90169 |
On 8/19/26 18:17, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 16:57:57 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> As I would tell people: >> If you haven't tried it, no explanation is possible. >> If you have, none is necessary. > > When I was a kid the arsenal had an open house and set up sort of a jump > tower. It was more like a zip line. They would strap you into the harness > and boot you off the edge. That was enough of that for me. > > I enjoyed learning to fly but I never was very comfortable driving the > plane let alone jumping out of it. I know the statistics but I'll stick to > bikes if I want the wind in my face. I learned to fly - license at 17 - but then an OPEC embargo drove the fuel costs beyond what I could cope with. Hell, couldn't even get the red gas, they tried 100LL but the engine valves kept sticking ... not good. So, motorcycles instead :-)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 21:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nepahlFpub2U39@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90189 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 23:26:44 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I learned to fly - license at 17 - but then an OPEC embargo drove the > fuel costs beyond what I could cope with. Hell, couldn't even get the > red gas, they tried 100LL but the engine valves kept sticking ... not > good. I was working on a project for fuel measurement and management. It was a DoD project and I was bored out of my mind so I decided to get some first hand experience with planes. The FBO at Middlebury VT was run by an ag pilot who offered instruction. It's an uncontrolled airport with one runway, 01/19. Typical mountain flying. I got bored enough that I took a contract in Ft. Wayne and resumed instruction. The instructor was a young woman building hours. My impression was she was in the wrong career. The real problem was Indiana. I don't do well in flatland. You could land in almost any soybean field in an emergency but looking out and seeing nothing out to the limit of visibility was spooky. I also realized the VFR limits. I had previously worked for a company that was housed in the old Thurston plant that was located on an airport. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurston_Teal The company president decided he would take the opportunity to learn to fly. He did so and bought a plane since it was so convenient to park it. His secretary wasn't enthused by flying off to business meetings but so it goes. One day he went to visit a client in Kennebunk ME, a distance of about 20 miles. Kennebunk being where it is he encountered fog with very limited visibility. He managed to get home in one piece, got out of the plane, kissed the ground, and sold the plane. That was that. Not a good area for VFR. For that matter I totaled my Mustang flying low in the fog. I knew the road but I didn't anticipate the truck parked across it as he searched for his turn in the murk.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 23:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <D9icnYZj4rXoVBr3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90242 |
On 8/20/26 17:40, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 23:26:44 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I learned to fly - license at 17 - but then an OPEC embargo drove the >> fuel costs beyond what I could cope with. Hell, couldn't even get the >> red gas, they tried 100LL but the engine valves kept sticking ... not >> good. > > I was working on a project for fuel measurement and management. It was a > DoD project and I was bored out of my mind so I decided to get some first > hand experience with planes. The FBO at Middlebury VT was run by an ag > pilot who offered instruction. It's an uncontrolled airport with one > runway, 01/19. Typical mountain flying. > > I got bored enough that I took a contract in Ft. Wayne and resumed > instruction. The instructor was a young woman building hours. My > impression was she was in the wrong career. The real problem was Indiana. > I don't do well in flatland. You could land in almost any soybean field > in an emergency but looking out and seeing nothing out to the limit of > visibility was spooky. > > I also realized the VFR limits. I had previously worked for a company that > was housed in the old Thurston plant that was located on an airport. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurston_Teal I was good enough so they'd trust me to rent a plane on bad/gusty weather days and VERY minimal VFR days. My old instructor had TOP creds, 'nuf said, plus I kinda "just knew" how to fly. In case of extreme weirdness, had a few instances, even the basic instrument cluster WILL tell you what you need to know IF you'll focus on them and not what you "feel" or THINK you're seeing. Never got an official IFR rating, but my instructors, back then, DID pretty much get you there even if that wasn't the official program. NOW days - more wimpy. How DARE you put "the hood" on a newbie !!! Weirdest ... a ZERO ground-speed landing - just as a huge thunderstorm front was moving in. 50 knot gust just as I was coming in. HAD to bring it down, straight vertical, before the gust ran out. FUN ! Runway, you still just kinda 'fly' it in the gusts. Also caught the edge of a forming T-storm (FAST in my area) that fuckin' FLIPPED the plane. Well, worry LATER - just work the problem. The instruments will tell you which way is up and straight. Oddly did not lose much altitude, the updraft was THAT strong. Hmm, ONE day, went up and VFR turned into IFR - then an F-18 blew by barely 100 feet away. Could see the pilots face. DID post a complaint on UNICOM. You could not see the ground or anything, just a total general haze. The F-18 had fuckin' active RADAR though - he was fuckin' around with me. Anyway, if yer gonna panic, panic LATER. Meanwhile just Work The Problem. > The company president decided he would take the opportunity to learn to > fly. He did so and bought a plane since it was so convenient to park it. > His secretary wasn't enthused by flying off to business meetings but so it > goes. One day he went to visit a client in Kennebunk ME, a distance of > about 20 miles. Kennebunk being where it is he encountered fog with very > limited visibility. He managed to get home in one piece, got out of the > plane, kissed the ground, and sold the plane. That was that. > > Not a good area for VFR. For that matter I totaled my Mustang flying low > in the fog. I knew the road but I didn't anticipate the truck parked > across it as he searched for his turn in the murk. IMHO, from long-past experiences, "VFR" training SHOULD include pretty much everything you need for basic IFR. It can save yer ass. Saved mine a couple of times. The instruments, the instilled discipline ... guess JFK Jr. never GOT that level ......... Anyway, don't fly now. A few times on little planes ALWAYS insisted on the right seat, just in case. DID get to very briefly fly a C-47 - the Cap said "fly it" while he went in the back to do something. Cap's word is Law. Pretty heavy controls - but manageable. Kinda a BIG FAT Cessna :-) MIGHT have made a fair commercial pilot. carrying FedEx packages (FUCK passengers !). But, went bio/biochem and then physical anthropology and then computers. I'm one of those "Wide"-Ed people. Specialization is TOO boring and awful and ignorant. "Big Picture" serves me best. But, if you wanna boost yer GPA, just take in a "psychology" course. Very VAGUE pseudo-science shit. Mostly just remember the Holy Men in the "science". Easy "A". Owned a PRINTER - made very NEAT looking papers. Added a point to the GPA right there ! :-) Anyway, STILL keep track of new Neanderthal/H.Erectus/ Denisovan info ... know where ya CAME from to kinda know where yer GOING. Oh, NO SUCH THING as a "human". Hybrids of hybrids of hybrids moving all around and fucking everything in sight along the way :-)
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