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| First post | 2026-07-18 19:38 -0400 |
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Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 19:38 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 01:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 22:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-07-20 08:55 +1000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-20 00:52 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:13 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:20 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:49 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 16:12 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:30 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:36 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:31 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:32 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:47 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:05 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:16 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:27 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:18 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 03:16 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:33 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 07:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:52 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:56 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:06 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:00 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:51 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:31 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:07 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:49 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:39 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:26 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:54 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:10 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:53 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 02:06 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:33 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:13 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:36 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 20:45 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:48 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:32 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 00:02 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:50 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 17:04 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:41 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:14 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:22 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-23 08:26 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:00 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:54 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:49 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:34 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:22 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:59 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:51 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:51 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:43 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:33 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:32 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 13:59 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:37 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:40 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:07 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:19 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:32 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 08:31 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:42 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:49 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:46 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-22 10:21 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:39 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:54 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:30 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 12:24 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:21 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:21 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-21 08:39 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:53 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:25 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 04:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-22 04:17 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:45 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:31 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:01 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:10 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:15 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:49 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:27 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:05 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:09 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:39 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 07:15 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:00 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:24 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:10 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:34 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:55 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-19 03:58 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 04:32 +0000
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 23:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jP2dnemytY_mp_33nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88954 |
On 7/21/26 14:29, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 10:36:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Islam gained complete control of the nations rather than just being a >> religion. > > That's logical if the inhabitants of the nation really believe the > religion. Well, if you don't - CHOP !!!
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 12:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113qb6p$2s428$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88968 |
On 22/07/2026 04:34, c186282 wrote: > On 7/21/26 14:29, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 10:36:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Islam gained complete control of the nations rather than just being a >>> religion. >> >> That's logical if the inhabitants of the nation really believe the >> religion. > Well, if you don't - CHOP !!! > And that is the issue in a nutshell, Unbelievers are not aberrant humans, they are vermin,. Same principle as Nazism. It;s your religious *duty* to kill them... -- There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy.h
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 16:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ncc20kFsi6pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88980 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:57:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > And that is the issue in a nutshell, Unbelievers are not aberrant > humans, they are vermin,. Same principle as Nazism. > > It;s your religious *duty* to kill them... According to some the Talmud says some nasty things about Goyim too. Seems to be a common theme in a lot of religions. -- s|b
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 17:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nccenvFuaclU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88981 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 16:22:19 +0200, s|b wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:57:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> And that is the issue in a nutshell, Unbelievers are not aberrant >> humans, they are vermin,. Same principle as Nazism. >> >> It;s your religious *duty* to kill them... > > According to some the Talmud says some nasty things about Goyim too. > Seems to be a common theme in a lot of religions. They are all fruit of a poisoned tree. Islam is nothing but a Christian heresy designed for those who couldn't grasp the idea of a trinity.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 22:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113rhhs$3bo6k$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88981 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 16:22:19 +0200, s|b wrote: > According to some the Talmud says some nasty things about Goyim too. > Seems to be a common theme in a lot of religions. I have seen a video clip somewhere of Orthodox Jews in Israel, spitting on Christians as they pass them in the street. It’s a long hallowed tradition, apparently ... and can you blame them?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 10:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113so7u$3nbo7$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88981 |
On 22/07/2026 15:22, s|b wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:57:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> And that is the issue in a nutshell, Unbelievers are not aberrant >> humans, they are vermin,. Same principle as Nazism. >> >> It;s your religious *duty* to kill them... > > According to some the Talmud says some nasty things about Goyim too. > Seems to be a common theme in a lot of religions. > Yes. "All unbelievers should be killed, but start with the Jews" seems to be the message... -- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 18:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nceum1Fbu1kU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89004 |
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 10:51:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 22/07/2026 15:22, s|b wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:57:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > > >> And that is the issue in a nutshell, Unbelievers are not aberrant > >> humans, they are vermin,. Same principle as Nazism. > >> > >> It;s your religious *duty* to kill them... > > > > According to some the Talmud says some nasty things about Goyim too. > > Seems to be a common theme in a lot of religions. > Yes. "All unbelievers should be killed, but start with the Jews" seems > to be the message... I've never read it, but I doubt that is what the Talmud says. On the contrary. -- s|b
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 19:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncf8jgFd4siU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89011 |
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 18:43:54 +0200, s|b wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 10:51:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 22/07/2026 15:22, s|b wrote: >> > On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:57:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> > >> >> And that is the issue in a nutshell, Unbelievers are not aberrant >> >> humans, they are vermin,. Same principle as Nazism. >> >> >> >> It;s your religious *duty* to kill them... >> > >> > According to some the Talmud says some nasty things about Goyim too. >> > Seems to be a common theme in a lot of religions. > >> Yes. "All unbelievers should be killed, but start with the Jews" seems >> to be the message... > > I've never read it, but I doubt that is what the Talmud says. On the > contrary. No, that what the rest of the world says. I was researching something else in the University of New Hampshire library when I saw a Talmud on a shelf. By that I mean it was the shelf. I don't know if it was the Babylonian or Jerusalem Talmud but there were over 20 volumes. Good luck reading it. From the little I managed to read it was legalistic wrangling by various rabbis on how to circumvent inconvenient mitzvah. A current day example is the prohibition on lighting a fire on the sabbath that the hyper-orthodox embrace. However yahweh didn't say anything about lighting a fire before the sabbath so turn the gas stove on and leave it going so you won't have to eat cold chow. Of course you may burn down a block in Williamsburg and kill a few people.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4ew8S.337529$0CK1.278642@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #89015 |
On 2026-07-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > A current day example is the prohibition on lighting a fire on the sabbath > that the hyper-orthodox embrace. However yahweh didn't say anything about > lighting a fire before the sabbath so turn the gas stove on and leave it > going so you won't have to eat cold chow. Of course you may burn down a > block in Williamsburg and kill a few people. Our oven has a "Sabbath" setting that will do it for you automatically. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 01:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncftm2Fd4siU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89021 |
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 22:04:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-07-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> A current day example is the prohibition on lighting a fire on the >> sabbath that the hyper-orthodox embrace. However yahweh didn't say >> anything about lighting a fire before the sabbath so turn the gas stove >> on and leave it going so you won't have to eat cold chow. Of course >> you may burn down a block in Williamsburg and kill a few people. > > Our oven has a "Sabbath" setting that will do it for you automatically. Interesting. I sure that could start a long theological discussion like if using a timer to turn the lights on is acceptable. Rabbi Nathan says it's fine. Rabbi Schmuel says that since you programmer the timer you showed a volition to turn the light on. Rabbi Joel counters with...
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 13:59 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nch2dcFluf9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89023 |
On 2026-07-24 03:32, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 22:04:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-07-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A current day example is the prohibition on lighting a fire on the
>>> sabbath that the hyper-orthodox embrace. However yahweh didn't say
>>> anything about lighting a fire before the sabbath so turn the gas stove
>>> on and leave it going so you won't have to eat cold chow. Of course
>>> you may burn down a block in Williamsburg and kill a few people.
>>
>> Our oven has a "Sabbath" setting that will do it for you automatically.
>
> Interesting. I sure that could start a long theological discussion like if
> using a timer to turn the lights on is acceptable. Rabbi Nathan says it's
> fine. Rabbi Schmuel says that since you programmer the timer you showed a
> volition to turn the light on. Rabbi Joel counters with...
>
I heard of a light switch special for Sabaths. When you switch if off,
the lights go on.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 20:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113tqhe$49ku$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89011 |
On 23/07/2026 17:43, s|b wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 10:51:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 22/07/2026 15:22, s|b wrote: >>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:57:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> And that is the issue in a nutshell, Unbelievers are not aberrant >>>> humans, they are vermin,. Same principle as Nazism. >>>> >>>> It;s your religious *duty* to kill them... >>> >>> According to some the Talmud says some nasty things about Goyim too. >>> Seems to be a common theme in a lot of religions. > >> Yes. "All unbelievers should be killed, but start with the Jews" seems >> to be the message... > > I've never read it, but I doubt that is what the Talmud says. On the > contrary. > No, that is what my local muslims say. -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 11:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nc8t3jFc5a3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88941 |
On 2026-07-21 06:13, Rich wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 20/07/2026 20:39, s|b wrote:
>>> On 20 Jul 2026 18:30:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aircraft carriers are 20th century technology. They lose their appeal if
>>>> you have to park them 1000 miles away. I don't know if the Iranians have
>>>> the capability but China and Russia certainly do.
>>>
>>> Ukraine has drones that can fly over 3.000 km, so if Iran has those,
>>> then those carriers will have to park them even further.
>>>
>> We can be thankful that Islam does not mesh well with Science.
>
> Which is odd, given that a great number of centuries ago, the Islamic
> world of that age was inventing scientific breakthrough after
> scientific breakthrough.
They also transmitted a lot of knowledge, starting with the Arabic
number system that we use today. It was invented in India. To transmit
something you have to understand it.
They also had better doctors than Christianity.
>
> Modern Islam (at least the current 'strict' reading by the extremists)
> is what does not mesh well with science. Islam of yore did mesh well.
> Something changed in the centries from then to now.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 18:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nc9qroF7pt3U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88950 |
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 11:40:03 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > They also transmitted a lot of knowledge, starting with the Arabic > number system that we use today. It was invented in India. To transmit > something you have to understand it. > > They also had better doctors than Christianity. The sad part is Jews did better under Islamic regimes than Christian. It wasn't the Moors that forced the Jews to leave or pretend to be converted in Spain in 1492. That was probably true until 1948.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 01:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113p5rd$2fnb0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88950 |
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 11:40:03 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> Modern Islam (at least the current 'strict' reading by the >> extremists) is what does not mesh well with science. Islam of yore >> did mesh well. Something changed in the centries from then to now. The interpretation changed. When the Arabs conquered Alexandria, and found the pitiful remnants of what had once been the Great Library (what was left after the Christians had done with it), the conquering general sent a message back to the Caliph, asking what to do with with the remaining books. The message came back: “Either they agree with the Quran, in which case they are superfluous, or they disagree with it, in which case they are undesirable. In any case, destroy them.” And then, just a couple centuries later, the thinking changed, and the Islamic Golden Age of scholarship and learning -- the origins of science as we know it today -- began. Then, a few centuries after that, the thinking changed again, and the Golden Age ended. And just about at this point, the thinking in the Christian world changed, too. And so we got the Italian Renaissance -- founded on many of the ideas from the older Islamic learning, don’t forget. It was the Islamic world that had kept the old Greek learning alive (and was busily adding to it), while the Christian idea of “learning” was making endless over-decorated copies of their holy book. Moral: You can take exactly the same holy teachings, and selectively use parts of them to justify entirely opposite and contradictory intellectual positions. We saw that happen with both the Muslims and the Christians. And it happens with Jews as well. Religous argument is circular argument.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 21:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jP2dnfKytY-dg_33nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88963 |
On 7/21/26 21:19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 11:40:03 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >>> Modern Islam (at least the current 'strict' reading by the >>> extremists) is what does not mesh well with science. Islam of yore >>> did mesh well. Something changed in the centries from then to now. > > The interpretation changed. > > When the Arabs conquered Alexandria, and found the pitiful remnants of > what had once been the Great Library (what was left after the > Christians had done with it), the conquering general sent a message > back to the Caliph, asking what to do with with the remaining books. > > The message came back: “Either they agree with the Quran, in which > case they are superfluous, or they disagree with it, in which case > they are undesirable. In any case, destroy them.” Yep. Still hope that, somewhere, backup copies of all that stuff were safely stashed away in an obscure desert cave. Ptolemy-II ordered that any ships coming into Alexandria with books ... the books HAD to be delivered to the library to be COPIED before the originals were returned. So, the concept of 'backups' wasn't alien even back then. Islam is made to be more radical/purist/evangelical than even Christianity. EARLY Islamic civ was high on its successes and this tended to help the sciences. But once the advances stalled, POWER was retained by getting really fundy.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 08:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wwvtspra3an.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #88963 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 11:40:03 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> Modern Islam (at least the current 'strict' reading by the >>> extremists) is what does not mesh well with science. Islam of yore >>> did mesh well. Something changed in the centries from then to now. > > The interpretation changed. > > When the Arabs conquered Alexandria, and found the pitiful remnants of > what had once been the Great Library (what was left after the > Christians had done with it), the conquering general sent a message > back to the Caliph, asking what to do with with the remaining books. > > The message came back: “Either they agree with the Quran, in which > case they are superfluous, or they disagree with it, in which case > they are undesirable. In any case, destroy them.” Do you have a contemporary source for that? They library was almost certainly gone before the end of the C3rd, the conquest of Alexandria was in the C7th, and the anecdote you quote doesn’t turn up until the C13th, one of a number of dubiuosly evidenced attempts to pin the damage on one religion another. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 13:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ncbolnFc5a3U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88963 |
On 2026-07-22 03:19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 11:40:03 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>>> Modern Islam (at least the current 'strict' reading by the
>>> extremists) is what does not mesh well with science. Islam of yore
>>> did mesh well. Something changed in the centries from then to now.
>
> The interpretation changed.
>
> When the Arabs conquered Alexandria, and found the pitiful remnants of
> what had once been the Great Library (what was left after the
> Christians had done with it), the conquering general sent a message
> back to the Caliph, asking what to do with with the remaining books.
>
> The message came back: “Either they agree with the Quran, in which
> case they are superfluous, or they disagree with it, in which case
> they are undesirable. In any case, destroy them.”
>
> And then, just a couple centuries later, the thinking changed, and the
> Islamic Golden Age of scholarship and learning -- the origins of
> science as we know it today -- began. Then, a few centuries after
> that, the thinking changed again, and the Golden Age ended.
>
> And just about at this point, the thinking in the Christian world
> changed, too. And so we got the Italian Renaissance -- founded on many
> of the ideas from the older Islamic learning, don’t forget. It was the
> Islamic world that had kept the old Greek learning alive (and was
> busily adding to it), while the Christian idea of “learning” was
> making endless over-decorated copies of their holy book.
There was a time in the Christian world where doctors were frowned upon.
Either god gave you health, or not. You just prayed to get well. Doctors
should not interfere. They could take a page out of the bible and put it
inside the wound.
>
> Moral: You can take exactly the same holy teachings, and selectively
> use parts of them to justify entirely opposite and contradictory
> intellectual positions. We saw that happen with both the Muslims and
> the Christians. And it happens with Jews as well.
>
> Religous argument is circular argument.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Ky48S.463809$khyb.404106@fx44.iad> |
| In reply to | #88975 |
On 2026-07-22, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> There was a time in the Christian world where doctors were frowned upon.
> Either god gave you health, or not. You just prayed to get well. Doctors
> should not interfere. They could take a page out of the bible and put it
> inside the wound.
There is a bomb in Gilead
Which makes a wounded hole
-- a child's mis-interpretation
If you pray hard enough, you can make water flow uphill.
How hard do you have to pray? Why, hard enough to make
water flow uphill, of course.
-- Robert A. Heinlein
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people:
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 22:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113rhek$3bo6k$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88984 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 14:35:22 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > If you pray hard enough, you can make water flow uphill. How > hard do you have to pray? Why, hard enough to make water flow > uphill, of course. > -- Robert A. Heinlein There was this YouTube video, posted just after the 2020 🇺🇸 Presidential elections, when it had already become clear Trump had lost, where some supporter of his was begging all his loyal followers to pray, for the result to be overturned somehow. I posted a comment about how faith is supposed to be able to move mountains, but can it change the laws of arithmetic? Some of the responses were ... creatively off-point.
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