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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-07-27 03:11 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-07-29 21:47 +0100 |
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Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 03:11 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 12:05 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:13 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 02:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:59 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 22:28 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:15 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:42 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:35 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:39 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:46 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 09:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:33 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-29 09:14 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:41 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-21 07:48 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 03:50 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:10 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 14:06 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-27 18:21 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 18:00 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:10 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:24 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:38 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:10 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:13 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:16 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:30 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:35 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 17:51 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 04:44 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:03 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:22 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:24 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:36 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:31 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-30 07:46 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:21 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:25 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:13 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 01:02 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:18 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:39 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:36 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-30 06:31 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:28 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:24 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 10:16 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 19:35 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 20:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:28 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:19 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:40 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 00:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:21 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:26 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 15:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:54 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:50 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-27 17:49 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:55 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:37 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 06:34 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 03:28 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 08:36 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:29 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 04:05 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:08 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202507.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2025-07-29 13:45 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-30 08:59 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:59 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:39 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:03 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-07-30 08:12 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:30 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:33 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 22:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:21 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:23 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:58 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:44 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:39 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:27 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:04 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:49 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:49 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:11 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 14:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 18:00 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:58 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 20:37 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 03:36 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 06:23 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 02:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:05 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:48 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-08-03 03:36 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:43 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 20:01 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 22:56 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:34 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-08-03 08:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 17:38 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 08:26 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 04:06 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 09:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:09 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-03 15:54 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:35 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:27 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 08:44 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:23 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:40 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:42 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:11 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 00:09 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:55 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 22:25 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-01 09:09 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-01 00:54 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 01:44 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:52 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:25 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:14 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 01:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 08:50 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-04 19:00 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 11:11 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:01 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:32 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:47 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:32 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:25 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:48 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 16:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:49 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:19 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:18 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:38 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:27 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 20:44 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:57 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:02 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:23 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 13:33 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 15:55 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 16:23 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:49 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 08:21 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 11:11 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 12:08 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 11:18 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:53 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 22:18 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:47 +0100
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 23:36 -0400 |
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| In reply to | #70154 |
On 7/30/25 2:24 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:22:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 30/07/2025 07:03, c186282 wrote: >>> Women are NOT keen to be "breeder units", clearly. All >>> that "joy of motherhood" stuff was crap. >> >> You would be very surprised - or perhaps not - at just how many people >> *want* to be slaves in exchange for the security of knowing exactly what >> they have to do, are supposed to think, and have opinions on. >> >> Male and female both. >> >> And there must be something in the motherhood thing, or no one would >> willingly do it. > > Sklavenmoral... > > At one company I worked for we were approached by the workers about > supporting a softball team. No problem, we would spring for uniforms, > equipment, and whatever fees were associated with it. It seemed like a > good way to improve morale. The catch was they also wanted us to run the > team. We were managers and that's what we were supposed to do. > > Because of the nature of the work almost all the employees were women. It > was very difficult to promote a capable worker to a lead position. They > didn't want the responsibility even for a larger paycheck. What people, women or not, WANT TO DEAL WITH -vs- what they're theoretically capable of - often BIG difference ! China now is offering a $500 bonus for childbearing. (it's not NEARLY enough - and even a LOT more might not cover the full-spectrum burden of being a mommy. Trump has kind-of suggested the same thing for the USA. Same issues. If you want lots of kiddies in a 1st-world environ now they'd better be CLONES from the proverbial "long glass tube" and raised mostly by AI/robots. Hmmmmmm ... the AIs may not HAVE to kill us off - just allow current breeding trends to continue. 100 years or so, hardly any more humans - by their OWN will. Neat and simple and no wasteful Terminator wars or anything :-)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 06:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf0gunF12k8U11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70180 |
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 23:36:05 -0400, c186282 wrote: > What people, women or not, WANT TO DEAL WITH -vs- what > they're theoretically capable of - often BIG difference ! That definitely applies to me. I was always that kid in school where the teachers would say 'but he's not living up to his potential.' otoh the valedictorian of my college class gave her speech, got her diploma, and went back to the dorms and tried to kill herself. I think she spent 4 years overclocked and finally went into thermal overload.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 13:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106foq1$3ooje$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70180 |
On 31/07/2025 04:36, c186282 wrote: > China now is offering a $500 bonus for childbearing. There is some reasonably credible evidence that china was down to less than a billion before covid, and covid wiped out half of those and the population is now around 400 million. Official figures are 1.4 billion. -- “Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of a car with the cramped public exposure of an airplane.” Dennis Miller
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 07:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <106db87$38lig$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70134 |
On 7/29/25 23:03, c186282 wrote: > On 7/30/25 12:44 AM, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:51:22 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >>> Once the child-bearers are educated we usually give up the >>> the need to reproduce endlessly. In the USA big families may persist >>> for a Generation or so. Once you hve the assurance that a child has a >>> good chance to survive then you don't feel the need to have more backup >>> children. >> >> I went to a bluegrass festival this weekend and one group is a father and >> five kids. The oldest is a high school senior. I can't tell kids ages >> very >> well but the youngest might be around 7. She's no Bill Monroe yet but >> does >> an acceptable job with a mandolin. >> >> It was good to see a big family and to young people playing. A couple of >> years ago they redid the stairs to the stage since some of the bands were >> having a problem getting up the old set. The audience isn't exactly Gen Z >> either. > > Sellers was right though - big fams were a last-century > kind of thing. It was a combo of no contraceptives, no > female 'empowerment', high child mortality and fewer > govt protective programs. You kind of HAD to have lots > of kids, they were your little 'army', the people > who would feed and protect you as you got older. > > Now ... not nearly so much. > > Face it, 1st-world societies are contracting FAST due to > the new realities. 'AI' won't fix it, 'immigrants' won't > keep your society/culture alive. At some point it all > falls apart. Maybe just one more gen and "Japan" will > just be a historical name for some islands, nothing to > do with thousands of years of cultural uniqueness. > USA/EU not far behind that curve. Even China has now > offered a $500 check for having a kid (not enough). > > "Handmaid" measures ? That won't go over well for sure. > Women are NOT keen to be "breeder units", clearly. All > that "joy of motherhood" stuff was crap. No there is joy in Motherhood but it is a natural reaction if the woman in question has normal brain chemicals the Child automatically excites the joy in motherhood reaction. Even in women without normal brain chemicals the same can occur but it may end as depression as the high wears off.> > Hmmmm ... what was that old song about getting yer > children from the end of a long glass tube .... ? > > But, again, we've diverged from Linux stuff :-) Oh but we always seem to do that on Usenet. For sticking to Linux stuff I alway consult the Forum of my distribution. Even there we diverge for matters of humor or health but we have a place for that. No politics though. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.07- Linux 6.12.40- Plasma 5.27.11
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 02:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alCdnd3tOpiVJxT1nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70131 |
On 7/29/25 8:35 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:16:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> when everyone lives asshole to belly button. >> >> Like Hong Kong? > > England has a population density of 1,134.4/sq mi. This state has a > density of 7.7/sq mi. England might not be up to Hong Kong standards yet > but import more diverse people that breed like rabbits and you will get > there. The USA still has lots of "space" ... which is generally a good thing (unless you need good 5G service anyway). However URBAN areas ... remember the old "Blade Runner" movie, LA ultra-megaopolis with like 50 million packed in, air you can barely breath, everything kind of crumbling under the weight ? Oddly that vision had like 50% as 'east Asian' imports ... not 'Mexican' ....... Oh, DID order a well-endorsed 5G 'booster'. May be SOME niche in my house that gets at least slightly better 5G. This device is supposed to boost/repeat. Might get TWO bars ! :-)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 11:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106cruu$357fp$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70135 |
On 30/07/2025 07:21, c186282 wrote: > On 7/29/25 8:35 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:16:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>>> when everyone lives asshole to belly button. >>> >>> Like Hong Kong? >> >> England has a population density of 1,134.4/sq mi. This state has a >> density of 7.7/sq mi. England might not be up to Hong Kong standards yet >> but import more diverse people that breed like rabbits and you will get >> there. > > > The USA still has lots of "space" ... which is > generally a good thing (unless you need good 5G > service anyway). > > However URBAN areas ... remember the old "Blade Runner" > movie, LA ultra-megaopolis with like 50 million packed > in, air you can barely breath, everything kind of > crumbling under the weight ? > In the UK large tracts of Wales and Scotland are almost completely empty. What is different is that rural England is quite evenly populated with a village every few miles. Urban/suburban living is similar to any other Western country. -- There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 19:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mev966F12k8U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70142 |
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:25:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > What is different is that rural England is quite evenly populated with > a village every few miles. Urban/suburban living is similar to any other > Western country. The northeast US tends to be like that. I miss that a little since it also implies a network of roads so you could got for a ride and have some variety. Here, once you get out of the city there is a north-south road and an east-west interstate. If you consider a city as having over 30,000 people, the closest ones are over 100 miles away. There are CDPs, census designated places, that are unincorporated wide spots in the road that may have a gas station and a couple of small businesses. The bigger ones might even have a school. I don't even live in one of those. The county is 6,780 km2 (2,618 sq mi) and quite a few people just live in 'the county', That's handy around election time when the partisans are out soliciting votes. 'I'm county' gets rid of them fast since there aren't many offices I can vote for. I think the Australians are the only people who can appreciate the US 'flyover' country. The photos I've seen of the UK moors look familiar which is why I think the UK would fit into the eastern part of the state. It's semi-arid short grass prairie with no trees except along the rivers.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 01:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106ebrh$3ftcu$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70156 |
On 30/07/2025 20:13, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:25:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> What is different is that rural England is quite evenly populated with >> a village every few miles. Urban/suburban living is similar to any other >> Western country. > > The northeast US tends to be like that. I miss that a little since it also > implies a network of roads so you could got for a ride and have some > variety. Here, once you get out of the city there is a north-south road > and an east-west interstate. If you consider a city as having over 30,000 > people, the closest ones are over 100 miles away. > > There are CDPs, census designated places, that are unincorporated wide > spots in the road that may have a gas station and a couple of small > businesses. The bigger ones might even have a school. I don't even live in > one of those. The county is 6,780 km2 (2,618 sq mi) and quite a few people > just live in 'the county', That's handy around election time when the > partisans are out soliciting votes. 'I'm county' gets rid of them fast > since there aren't many offices I can vote for. > > I think the Australians are the only people who can appreciate the US > 'flyover' country. I've taken greyhounds over it. I appreciate it. But its far far more varied and interesting than the Australian outback. GABBA Flat, hoit and featureless The photos I've seen of the UK moors look familiar > which is why I think the UK would fit into the eastern part of the state. > It's semi-arid short grass prairie with no trees except along the rivers. > Well Scotland is amazingly hostile to humans Cold, wet and largely too steep for anything but sheep England happens to have pretty good country for humans almost everywhere. Even the moors were once forests and full of people 5000 years ago. -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 03:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf05j9F12k8U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70172 |
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 01:02:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Well Scotland is amazingly hostile to humans Cold, wet and largely too > steep for anything but sheep A friend served on a nuclear u-boat when the US Navy had a base at Holy Loch. He claimed Scotland was the only thing in the world that could make a couple of months underwater look good. Cold, wet, and the women looked like sheep.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 13:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106fo5v$3ooje$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70176 |
On 31/07/2025 04:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 01:02:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Well Scotland is amazingly hostile to humans Cold, wet and largely too
>> steep for anything but sheep
>
> A friend served on a nuclear u-boat when the US Navy had a base at Holy
> Loch. He claimed Scotland was the only thing in the world that could make
> a couple of months underwater look good. Cold, wet, and the women looked
> like sheep.
They WERE sheep
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 18:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mev70vF12k8U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70135 |
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 02:21:32 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Oh, DID order a well-endorsed 5G 'booster'. May be SOME niche in my > house that gets at least slightly better 5G. This device is supposed > to boost/repeat. Might get TWO bars ! It was 4G but a friend used one of the boosters with a directional antenna and it worked well. The use case was a little different. His mother lived down the block and was using WiFi to connect to his DSL. I thought about getting one but the new towers give me good enough service. That's Verizon. My actual phone is on T-Mobile and I do have some dead spots but not enough to be annoying. Around here there are pullouts with homemade signs saying 'cellphone pullout'. These aren't the official spots along some of the highways for safety reasons; they're the sweet spots where you can get a few bars.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 06:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <a%iiQ.278561$hR%a.93203@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #70131 |
On 2025-07-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:16:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> when everyone lives asshole to belly button. >> >> Like Hong Kong? > > England has a population density of 1,134.4/sq mi. This state has a > density of 7.7/sq mi. England might not be up to Hong Kong standards yet > but import more diverse people that breed like rabbits and you will get > there. We're working on it up here in Canada. Our previous government more than doubled our immigration rate, to half a million people per year. (To put it in perspective, think of the U.S. getting 5 million immigrants per year.) I've heard stories of newcomers being dumped onto the streets of Toronto with nowhere to go. They've already accomplished their purpose of getting the numbers up, so screw 'em. Immigration advocates and flying saucer nuts have a lot in common. UFOlogists believe we will be saved by aliens from another planet, while proponents of immigration believe we will be saved by aliens from another country. Meanwhile, cities and roads are becoming congested, demand for housing has driven prices out of reach of many young people, and medical services can't keep up. What the hell, there's lots more where they came from. See my .sig. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 11:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106cs3t$357fp$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70136 |
On 30/07/2025 07:31, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-07-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:16:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>>> when everyone lives asshole to belly button. >>> >>> Like Hong Kong? >> >> England has a population density of 1,134.4/sq mi. This state has >> a density of 7.7/sq mi. England might not be up to Hong Kong >> standards yet but import more diverse people that breed like >> rabbits and you will get there. > > We're working on it up here in Canada. Our previous government more > than doubled our immigration rate, to half a million people per > year. (To put it in perspective, think of the U.S. getting 5 million > immigrants per year.) I've heard stories of newcomers being dumped > onto the streets of Toronto with nowhere to go. They've already > accomplished their purpose of getting the numbers up, so screw 'em. > > Immigration advocates and flying saucer nuts have a lot in common. > UFOlogists believe we will be saved by aliens from another planet, > while proponents of immigration believe we will be saved by aliens > from another country. > > Meanwhile, cities and roads are becoming congested, demand for > housing has driven prices out of reach of many young people, and > medical services can't keep up. What the hell, there's lots more > where they came from. > Indeed. Its being driven by economists who cannot see any way to solve debt other than exponential growth. The world will ultimately find a new stability, but consumerism is dead and so is perpetual growth, -- There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 19:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mev9r8F12k8U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70136 |
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 06:31:34 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > We're working on it up here in Canada. Our previous government more > than doubled our immigration rate, to half a million people per year. > (To put it in perspective, think of the U.S. getting 5 million > immigrants per year.) I've heard stories of newcomers being dumped onto > the streets of Toronto with nowhere to go. They've already accomplished > their purpose of getting the numbers up, so screw 'em. We set up a couple of molding plants in Ontario and one in Quebec in the early '70s. I enjoyed Toronto but even then it was diverse. I remember a radio ad for a multicultural festival where the different people would be highlighting their cultures. The punchline was 'and the Australians will be drinking beer.' I don't think I want to revisit; some memories are best left undisturbed. Quebec was enjoyable too, except for Montreal. That struck me as NYC North except I couldn't understand the rude people.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 10:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <106avkh$2noci$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70054 |
On 7/29/25 00:38, c186282 wrote: > On 7/28/25 8:24 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 27/07/2025 23:00, c186282 wrote: >>> On 7/27/25 2:21 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:06:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm sure the papers have been telling of this for years. All copper >>>>> exchanges in most parts of the world are been moved to fibre. Those >>>>> customers that are too far or for some reason installing the fibre is >>>>> too expensive, are moved to some radio technology. >>>> >>>> I've been using a 3G/4G/5G wireless router for years. I'm not that far >>>> from town but there aren't enough houses that fiber is going to happen. >>>> Conventional cable never did either. I only have a few OTA TV >>>> stations but >>>> most people have dishes for their TV fix. >>>> >>>> I had been using copper. I have a Kindle back when they had 3G >>>> option. I >>>> didn't think too much about it but it was a revelation when I was >>>> sitting >>>> on the deck reading and it connected to the network. The light bulb >>>> went >>>> off and I was at the Verizon store the next day. My existing >>>> provider did >>>> have a wireless option but their antenna was on the wrong mountain >>>> and I >>>> didn't have any line of sight. >>> >>> Only StarLink always has the "tower" directly OVER >>> you. Again though, as weird as Musk has become, the >>> whole service could disappear in an instant. >>> >> Other companies are in that game. Eutelstat is one. There are others. >> Inmarsat is a geo stationary network IIRC. >> >> In rural UK a lot of network traffic is carried of microwave point to >> point links. Rather than cables. >> >> >>> Ok, there's geo-sync sat internet but the signal >>> delay would be UGLY these days with all the >>> highly-decorated ad-infested web pages. Had it >>> in the old old days when things were simpler, >>> but the up/down lag was still annoying. >>> >> Yes. >> >> Fibre is ultimately higher bandwidth than we know what to do with >> *yet*...:-) - and cheap and corrosion proof... >> >> ...but laying cable is never a cheap option. > > 'Zactly - physical media ... HUGE upkeep problems. > > Requires LOTS of expensive annoying humans and > equipment. > > As such, as I said somewhere, FORGET fiber. It'll > only be used to connect wireless nodes really soon. And cable of any sort is subject to attack by bad actors as has been happening in the Baltic Sea. Other cables in other seas and the shallower parts of the oceans are similarly vunderable to attack. bliss
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 19:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0cdnllx84f.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #70087 |
On 2025-07-29 19:16, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 7/29/25 00:38, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/28/25 8:24 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 27/07/2025 23:00, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 7/27/25 2:21 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:06:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> Only StarLink always has the "tower" directly OVER >>>> you. Again though, as weird as Musk has become, the >>>> whole service could disappear in an instant. >>>> >>> Other companies are in that game. Eutelstat is one. There are >>> others. Inmarsat is a geo stationary network IIRC. >>> >>> In rural UK a lot of network traffic is carried of microwave point to >>> point links. Rather than cables. >>> >>> >>>> Ok, there's geo-sync sat internet but the signal >>>> delay would be UGLY these days with all the >>>> highly-decorated ad-infested web pages. Had it >>>> in the old old days when things were simpler, >>>> but the up/down lag was still annoying. >>>> >>> Yes. >>> >>> Fibre is ultimately higher bandwidth than we know what to do with >>> *yet*...:-) - and cheap and corrosion proof... >>> >>> ...but laying cable is never a cheap option. >> >> 'Zactly - physical media ... HUGE upkeep problems. >> >> Requires LOTS of expensive annoying humans and >> equipment. >> >> As such, as I said somewhere, FORGET fiber. It'll >> only be used to connect wireless nodes really soon. > > And cable of any sort is subject to attack by bad actors as has > been happening in the Baltic Sea. Other cables in other seas and the > shallower parts of the oceans are similarly vunderable to attack. Wireless is also vulnerable. It can be simply listening to, or active interference. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 20:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106b7q8$2r3s7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70087 |
On 29/07/2025 18:16, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > On 7/29/25 00:38, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/28/25 8:24 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 27/07/2025 23:00, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 7/27/25 2:21 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:06:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure the papers have been telling of this for years. All copper >>>>>> exchanges in most parts of the world are been moved to fibre. Those >>>>>> customers that are too far or for some reason installing the fibre is >>>>>> too expensive, are moved to some radio technology. >>>>> >>>>> I've been using a 3G/4G/5G wireless router for years. I'm not that far >>>>> from town but there aren't enough houses that fiber is going to >>>>> happen. >>>>> Conventional cable never did either. I only have a few OTA TV >>>>> stations but >>>>> most people have dishes for their TV fix. >>>>> >>>>> I had been using copper. I have a Kindle back when they had 3G >>>>> option. I >>>>> didn't think too much about it but it was a revelation when I was >>>>> sitting >>>>> on the deck reading and it connected to the network. The light bulb >>>>> went >>>>> off and I was at the Verizon store the next day. My existing >>>>> provider did >>>>> have a wireless option but their antenna was on the wrong mountain >>>>> and I >>>>> didn't have any line of sight. >>>> >>>> Only StarLink always has the "tower" directly OVER >>>> you. Again though, as weird as Musk has become, the >>>> whole service could disappear in an instant. >>>> >>> Other companies are in that game. Eutelstat is one. There are >>> others. Inmarsat is a geo stationary network IIRC. >>> >>> In rural UK a lot of network traffic is carried of microwave point to >>> point links. Rather than cables. >>> >>> >>>> Ok, there's geo-sync sat internet but the signal >>>> delay would be UGLY these days with all the >>>> highly-decorated ad-infested web pages. Had it >>>> in the old old days when things were simpler, >>>> but the up/down lag was still annoying. >>>> >>> Yes. >>> >>> Fibre is ultimately higher bandwidth than we know what to do with >>> *yet*...:-) - and cheap and corrosion proof... >>> >>> ...but laying cable is never a cheap option. >> >> 'Zactly - physical media ... HUGE upkeep problems. >> >> Requires LOTS of expensive annoying humans and >> equipment. >> >> As such, as I said somewhere, FORGET fiber. It'll >> only be used to connect wireless nodes really soon. > > And cable of any sort is subject to attack by bad actors as has > been happening in the Baltic Sea. Other cables in other seas and the > shallower parts of the oceans are similarly vunderable to attack. > > bliss Oh dear. You think the Russians are digging up my roadside verges? Have to any IDEA how much data goes through a fibre compared with a radio or microwave link? -- “People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of one’s suitability to be taken seriously.” Paul Krugman
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 00:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <met78lFli7dU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70100 |
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 20:35:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Oh dear. You think the Russians are digging up my roadside verges? Have > to any IDEA how much data goes through a fibre compared with a radio or > microwave link? Probably. I worked on a DoD project in the '80s when it was assumed the Soviets were digging through the trash and monitoring the spectrum from the bushes. The ribbons were removed from the printers when the IBM CE came since he might be a spy who would steal the ribbons to glean information. Then they uncovered the merry Walker family and really got paranoid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Anthony_Walker
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 19:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mesmvoFi51jU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70087 |
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:16:01 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > And cable of any sort is subject to attack by bad actors as has > been happening in the Baltic Sea. Other cables in other seas and the > shallower parts of the oceans are similarly vunderable to attack. Was it about 15 years ago when a freighter dragged its anchor off the mouth of the Suez Canal and put the service centers in India out of business for a while? Electrons travel fast but around the world in 8000 milleseconds put a serious crimp in operations.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 21:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106bac0$2r3s7$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70103 |
On 29/07/2025 20:50, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:16:01 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> And cable of any sort is subject to attack by bad actors as has >> been happening in the Baltic Sea. Other cables in other seas and the >> shallower parts of the oceans are similarly vunderable to attack. > > Was it about 15 years ago when a freighter dragged its anchor off the > mouth of the Suez Canal and put the service centers in India out of > business for a while? Electrons travel fast but around the world in 8000 > milleseconds put a serious crimp in operations. Russians have been 'accidentally' dragging cables up all over the place. But there is a lot of redundancy in undersea fibre. Internet was after all designed to survive nuclear war. Just not to deliver chargeable services over -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women"
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