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| Started by | Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> |
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| First post | 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300 |
| Last post | 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 454 — 21 participants |
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Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:01 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:08 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:32 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:29 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-12 11:07 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 09:06 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-18 16:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-18 21:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-19 01:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:39 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 02:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:31 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-19 12:17 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:28 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:19 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 09:20 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:49 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:45 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:16 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:51 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 08:42 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 09:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 10:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:25 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:48 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:44 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 00:57 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:14 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:05 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 02:00 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 14:52 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 20:29 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:17 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:09 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:23 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:47 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:27 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:05 +0000
Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:46 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:21 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:46 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:41 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:07 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:15 +0000
Re: Accents. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-10-30 17:29 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:31 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 19:31 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:14 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:10 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:35 +0100
Re: Accents. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 15:18 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:17 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:46 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:25 +0000
LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 20:50 -0400
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:41 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:57 +0000
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 00:12 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 00:19 -0500
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 07:03 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 14:20 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:02 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:42 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:31 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:16 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:51 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:48 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:42 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:21 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:59 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:41 +0100
Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:56 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-31 19:02 -0700
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 02:52 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:32 +0000
Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:19 +0000
TV tropes (was: Re: Accents.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:01 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 13:10 +0100
Re: TV tropes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 21:28 +0100
Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:10 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:14 +0100
Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:09 +0000
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 07:41 +0000
Re: TV tropes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-21 09:00 +0000
Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 09:13 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:17 +0100
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 19:28 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:43 +0100
Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:00 +0000
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 04:06 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:24 +0100
Re: Not Blade Runner Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:57 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:22 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:22 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:50 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:20 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:34 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:47 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:05 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
Re: Blade runner c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 15:40 -0500
Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 22:30 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 17:48 -0500
Re: Flashlights Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-11-03 20:26 -0800
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-04 04:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:35 -0500
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-05 03:44 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 01:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:20 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:33 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:26 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 11:56 +0100
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:42 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:30 -0500
Re: Flashlights candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-07 16:20 +0000
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 18:11 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-07 18:50 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:42 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:31 +0100
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:06 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:04 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:08 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:07 +0000
Re: Flashlights John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-11-09 19:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:58 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 05:09 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 01:31 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 07:51 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:19 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:16 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:39 +0100
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 22:54 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:52 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:32 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 06:49 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-22 03:14 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 11:32 +0000
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 22:00 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 02:35 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:40 +0000
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:10 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 01:42 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:09 +0100
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:17 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:19 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 21:58 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-24 20:28 +0100
Re: Flashlights Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-24 15:04 -0800
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-24 22:48 -0500
Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 07:59 +0100
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 03:43 -0500
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 09:59 +0100
Re: Chemical photography Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-25 10:14 -0800
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:38 +0100
Re: Chemical photography Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-25 10:54 -0800
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 18:58 +0000
Re: Chemical photography Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:12 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:32 +0100
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:39 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 22:26 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-26 07:34 +0100
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 02:40 -0500
City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-26 11:18 +0100
Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:40 +0000
Re: City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 12:39 +0100
Re: City fauna The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:56 +0000
Re: City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 13:16 +0100
Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:58 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 22:39 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 18:55 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:20 +0100
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 23:40 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:03 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 22:36 -0500
Re: Chemical photography candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-01 21:50 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:31 +0100
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 22:00 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 05:08 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:40 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:37 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 21:02 +0000
Re: Chemical photography Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-26 13:29 -0800
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 01:57 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 23:13 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:47 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 22:09 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:45 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:37 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 23:47 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 06:20 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 01:38 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:20 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 02:58 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 09:12 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 05:20 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 11:28 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:32 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:19 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:45 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:41 +0000
Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:03 +0100
Re: Punt guns. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:19 +0000
Re: Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:43 +0100
Re: Punt guns. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:42 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:10 -0500
Punt guns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:06 +0100
Re: Punt guns Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:58 -0800
Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:34 -0500
Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 01:05 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 19:19 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:25 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 08:58 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:14 +0100
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:20 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:04 +0100
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 01:55 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:39 -0500
Bears "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:07 +0100
Re: Bears c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 00:51 -0500
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:09 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:12 -0500
Repopulating bears, wolves... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:10 +0100
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:53 -0800
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:59 +0000
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:49 -0500
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:19 -0500
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 03:57 +0000
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:01 -0500
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:33 +0000
Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:40 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:32 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:46 -0500
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 22:40 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 11:48 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:07 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 19:15 +0000
Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:23 +0100
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:13 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:17 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:21 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:29 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:13 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 09:19 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 23:16 -0500
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-27 22:10 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:26 -0500
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:10 +0000
Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 06:15 +0000
Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 07:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:23 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:20 +0000
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:54 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:10 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:49 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:13 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:12 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000
Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000
Re: Accents. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:37 +0100
OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-02 18:49 -0800
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 06:54 +0000
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-03 08:19 -0800
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:34 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:26 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:36 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:33 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:52 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:43 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:12 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:02 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 06:39 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-12 02:59 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-13 16:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:38 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:45 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:17 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 03:28 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:20 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:55 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 21:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:35 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:21 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:01 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:24 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 09:00 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 15:11 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:27 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:24 -0400
Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:08 +0200
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:15 -0400
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:46 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 04:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:49 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:43 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-14 21:30 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-02 11:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e7ec3$21ncq$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76927 |
On 02/11/2025 00:49, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:44:15 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a >> common accent makes a lot of sense. > > Good luck getting everyone to talk like Kevin Costner. He took a lot of > heat for his role in 'Robin Hood' for not even trying for a British > accent. If he had done an Appalachian accent it would have been more authentic... -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmpnbbFtmabU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76944 |
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:13:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 02/11/2025 00:49, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:44:15 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a >>> common accent makes a lot of sense. >> >> Good luck getting everyone to talk like Kevin Costner. He took a lot of >> heat for his role in 'Robin Hood' for not even trying for a British >> accent. > > If he had done an Appalachian accent it would have been more > authentic... I have read that RP has evolved enough that some US accents are closer to 17th century British than anything modern. I've also read that Quebec French is closer to the French of Louis XIV than modern Parisian French. It's interesting how accents drift with time.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-03 10:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e9v6q$2pbk3$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76960 |
On 02/11/2025 18:48, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:13:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 02/11/2025 00:49, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:44:15 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a
>>>> common accent makes a lot of sense.
>>>
>>> Good luck getting everyone to talk like Kevin Costner. He took a lot of
>>> heat for his role in 'Robin Hood' for not even trying for a British
>>> accent.
>>
>> If he had done an Appalachian accent it would have been more
>> authentic...
>
> I have read that RP has evolved enough that some US accents are closer to
> 17th century British than anything modern. I've also read that Quebec
> French is closer to the French of Louis XIV than modern Parisian French.
>
> It's interesting how accents drift with time.
I think the more accurate image is of a fork - with each road developing
in a different way.
Almost by definition rich affluent upper classes did not emigrate to
America. You got mainly the rural poor and the urban dregs.
And they took their languages with them.
--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."
- Leo Tolstoy
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10eb1rl$34i0o$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76991 |
On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 10:12:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Almost by definition rich affluent upper classes did not emigrate to > America. *Ahem* “Mayflower”
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmtdngFihfbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77006 |
On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 20:04:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 10:12:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Almost by definition rich affluent upper classes did not emigrate to >> America. > > *Ahem* “Mayflower” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_(Plymouth_Colony)#Leiden Both the Pilgrims and Puritans were religious malcontents. The Pilgrim experience in Leiden suggests they were rich. The Virginia Company was organized by the rich though I don't know how many of the wealthy went to the colony. Between Indian massacres, starvation, and a mysterious disappearance of an entire colony it wasn't a great place to live. Jamestown was a swamp for example. Tobacco finally became the cash crop. The Virginia culture was quite a bit different than Massachusetts. Virginia was associated with the Cavaliers.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <0oimtlxmkj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76960 |
On 2025-11-02 19:48, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:13:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 02/11/2025 00:49, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:44:15 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a >>>> common accent makes a lot of sense. >>> >>> Good luck getting everyone to talk like Kevin Costner. He took a lot of >>> heat for his role in 'Robin Hood' for not even trying for a British >>> accent. >> >> If he had done an Appalachian accent it would have been more >> authentic... > > I have read that RP has evolved enough that some US accents are closer to > 17th century British than anything modern. I've also read that Quebec > French is closer to the French of Louis XIV than modern Parisian French. > > It's interesting how accents drift with time. At least some of the Spanish variants in america are similar to ancient Spanish in Spain. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10ea721$2r4vg$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76998 |
On 03/11/2025 12:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-02 19:48, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:13:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 02/11/2025 00:49, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:44:15 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a >>>>> common accent makes a lot of sense. >>>> >>>> Good luck getting everyone to talk like Kevin Costner. He took a lot of >>>> heat for his role in 'Robin Hood' for not even trying for a British >>>> accent. >>> >>> If he had done an Appalachian accent it would have been more >>> authentic... >> >> I have read that RP has evolved enough that some US accents are closer to >> 17th century British than anything modern. I've also read that Quebec >> French is closer to the French of Louis XIV than modern Parisian French. >> >> It's interesting how accents drift with time. > > At least some of the Spanish variants in america are similar to ancient > Spanish in Spain. > The English position is similar, but marked with a particular difference, In England the upper classes spoke with a more 'Frenchified' subset of the language: The Germanic and Celtic elements stayed in the lower classes and these were overwhelmingly the classes who emigrated to the New World. -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <20251103091710.000058a1@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #76909 |
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:44:15 +0100 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > > Perhaps because there is no such thing as “accentless” speech. > > > > There was a lovely “Two Ronnies” sketch, back in the day, that > > skewered this issue rather well. They did a lot of > > playing-on-language skits, but this one really put paid to the fond > > delusion that RP was somehow easier to understand than any other > > accent ... > > If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a > common accent makes a lot of sense. The problem with these things is that the proposed "common" solution is always either *somebody's* preference (and everyone else can go jump in the lake) or *nobody's* preference (and you're stuck with something stilted and artificial serves nobody well.) And historically, the more insistent the Authorities are on "standards," the worse non-standard folks get treated - some of the abuses perpetrated against speakers of "unofficial" languages and accents (read: how people were speaking before the government decided they should be speaking differently) are downright appalling and/or straight-up crimes against humanity. International English has, thankfully, been mostly free of that, and a pretty laissez-faire affair - which, yes, makes it a mess sometimes... but is *vastly* preferable to the things that happen when linguistic autocrats get involved.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <0bfhtlx1us.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76866 |
On 2025-10-31 16:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 31/10/2025 13:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-31 05:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 23:36:01 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like >>>>> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage >>>>> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t >>>>> it. >>>> >>>> Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the >>>> action was taking place in Spain. >>> >>> I’m sure there are some quite wide regional variations within there, >>> like >>> in English in the UK. There is a saying: “A language is a dialect >>> with an >>> army”. Scots (lowland Scots, à la Robbie Burns, not highland Gaelic) >>> would >>> have been an entirely separate language from English, if it were not for >>> the Scottish king inheriting the English throne. How different is >>> Catalan >>> from Spanish? Are there other regional languages/dialects that are maybe >>> almost as different? (And then there’s Basque ...) >> >> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its >> own. And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a >> speaker of those languages, just some words. >> >> But I can understand a Spanish speaker born in Cataluña, no problem. >> >>> >>> Even within England, there can be wide variation. I remember watching >>> a TV >>> comedy/drama series called “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, back in the 1980s, >>> during the time when Maggie Thatcher was 🇬🇧 Prime Minister, and whose >>> policies had thrown large numbers of Brits out of work. The main >>> characters were from around England, plus an Irishman (bricklayers, >>> carpenters etc), who got work in West Germany, which was undergoing a >>> construction boom at the time. And they had all their different >>> styles of >>> regional speech. >>> >>> Three of them were from north-east England, around Newcastle, aka >>> “Geordies”. The first episode, I had to strain to make sense of what >>> they >>> were saying -- it was an accent I had never heard before. After that, it >>> got a bit easier ... >> >> A person that learns Spanish as a second language has serious trouble >> understanding a person at Sevilla or Malaga, for instance. The accent >> is quite different. I don't know if it is a dialect or not. But we >> understand them. >> >> > It is the same everywhere. My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and > is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now lives > in central Germany. >> > People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand > unless you have been around them a long time, which is why RP - > essentially the dialect of the home counties near London - was taught as > a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism decreed this to be > discriminatory against people with accents. BBC English is what I was taught. AKA RP. But I lived in Ottawa two years, so now I have that one. Google dictation fails to me if I do it in Spain. :-D > > And there are some very very bad ones. I found one tech support person > who sounded black and female to be completely unintelligible with some > sort of elided glottal stopped mush of Estuary English. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmkiteF3fffU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76865 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:48:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its own. > And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker > of those languages, just some words. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabian_German There is the 't' and 'd' shift that Lawrence mentioned for US English.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e4q44$16v9t$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76876 |
On 31/10/2025 20:01, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:48:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its own. >> And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker >> of those languages, just some words. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabian_German > > There is the 't' and 'd' shift that Lawrence mentioned for US English. Germanic, Dutch and German and Yiddish definitely migrate 't' towards 'd' and mangle past participles. And blow 'w' into 'v' A lot of rural immigrants were from Holland, in the past. -- Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. Richard Lindzen
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmnn7iFjnd4U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76900 |
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 11:15:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 31/10/2025 20:01, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:48:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its >>> own. >>> And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker >>> of those languages, just some words. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabian_German >> >> There is the 't' and 'd' shift that Lawrence mentioned for US English. > > Germanic, Dutch and German and Yiddish definitely migrate 't' towards > 'd' and mangle past participles. And blow 'w' into 'v' > > A lot of rural immigrants were from Holland, in the past. Even in the colonial days there was a significant Dutch/German population in the US. According to the 2000 census, which I think was the last time they asked, 27% of this state claimed German ancestry, followed by 14.8% Irish, 12.6% English, and 10.6 Norwegian. The Indians were 7.4% for some diversity. A friend claimed the local Sons of Norway lodge was mostly Germans. They have a really nice clubhouse, might as well invade. I won't claim it's genetic but I had a hell of a time with 'th' when I was a kid.
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| From | Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <87o6pl85h7.fsf@comcast.net.invalid> |
| In reply to | #76925 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 11:15:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 31/10/2025 20:01, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:48:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its >>>> own. >>>> And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker >>>> of those languages, just some words. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabian_German >>> >>> There is the 't' and 'd' shift that Lawrence mentioned for US English. >> >> Germanic, Dutch and German and Yiddish definitely migrate 't' towards >> 'd' and mangle past participles. And blow 'w' into 'v' >> >> A lot of rural immigrants were from Holland, in the past. > > Even in the colonial days there was a significant Dutch/German population > in the US. According to the 2000 census, which I think was the last time > they asked, 27% of this state claimed German ancestry, followed by 14.8% > Irish, 12.6% English, and 10.6 Norwegian. The Indians were 7.4% for some > diversity. > > A friend claimed the local Sons of Norway lodge was mostly Germans. They > have a really nice clubhouse, might as well invade. > > I won't claim it's genetic but I had a hell of a time with 'th' when I was > a kid. I don't have a problem with most 'th' words like 'this' 'that' or 'these' 'those', but for some reason I've always had a hard time with the word 'thesaurus'. Or as my grandmother may or may not have said: "My tongue got in the way of my eyeteeth, and I couldn't see what I was saying!" -- -Don_from_AZ-
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <ojONQ.613514$6_hb.146938@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #76941 |
On 2025-11-02, Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: > >> I won't claim it's genetic but I had a hell of a time with 'th' when I was >> a kid. > > I don't have a problem with most 'th' words like 'this' 'that' or > 'these' 'those', but for some reason I've always had a hard time with > the word 'thesaurus'. > > Or as my grandmother may or may not have said: "My tongue got in the way > of my eyeteeth, and I couldn't see what I was saying!" I first heard that line from Red Skelton. Either way, it's old. The speech problem I had as a kid was trilling my Rs with my tongue. Everyone else was doing it all the time, and I felt left out. I can't do it to this day; I suppose in some languages this would be considered a speech impediment. On the other hand, during my futile attempts I got some consolation when I discovered I could make a similar sound farther back in my throat that the others couldn't do. I found I could use it as a substitute for the trilled R in a Spanish class I took a while ago. Recently I came across a reference that describes my sound as a "voiced uvular trill" (as opposed to the "voiced alveolar trill" that I was trying for). Finally - a meaningful referent for that Saturday Night Live skit about Babs's uvula! -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmqhtlF3kvrU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76965 |
On Sun, 02 Nov 2025 19:30:28 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On the other hand, during my futile attempts I got some consolation when > I discovered I could make a similar sound farther back in my throat that > the others couldn't do. I found I could use it as a substitute for the > trilled R in a Spanish class I took a while ago. I can do that one. It comes in handy when some misguided pooch thinks he's the big dog and growls at me.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmiprcFodrtU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76841 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 22:20:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Is the Spanish spoken in the Americas very different from Spain? Not to > mention the variations within Spain itself. In Mexico someone with a perfect Castillian accent might get called a maricón. Some of the Latin American Spanish teaching programs emphasize it's not exactly Spain Spanish like Quebec French isn't Parisian French. There is an sometimes amusing movie, 'El Norte'. A brother and sister are fleeing violence in Guatemala and have to go through Mexico on the way to the US. The sister asks how they're going to pass for Mexican and the brother says just say chinga a lot. There are a lot of nuances to the different noun and verb forms but "Chinga la migra" is popular in current demonstrations and can be freely translated as 'Fuck ICE!'
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e0q02$23pu$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76837 |
On 10/30/25 20:33, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-29 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2025-10-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 20:21:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-10-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My downfall is British shows. Some are okay, some are very difficult >>>>> for me to understand. After a while I sometimes can adapt. >>>> >>>> Scottish accents (especially Glaswegian) must drive you nuts. >>> >>> I saw 'Sexy Beast' in a theater and understood little except Kingsley's >>> 'fuck' which was a big part of his monologues. I thought it was me >>> but as >>> I left I overheard several couples wishing there were subtitles. >> >> I find myself turning on subtitles (when available) more and more >> even for supposedly English speakers. > > As my first language is not English, you can not imagine how reassuring > is to me what you said there, when I need to have the subtitles there > (hopefully in English, but otherwise Spanish will do) because there is > always a word that I don't catch every little while. > > But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first > language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and > activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. > There is a fashion in modern English-speaking movies/TV for actors to mumble. If you watch older films from the 1930s and 1940s, the actors speak far more clearly. Actors used more of a cut glass accent, which is easier to understand. So it isn't just that we are all going deaf, although we probably are. > > Reminds me, in Amazon Prime Video sometimes there is an alternative > audio track with "improved dialogue clarity" or some wording to that > respect. > I would choose that, but I've never seen it available.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmiqeoFodrtU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76845 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 22:48:34 +0000, Pancho wrote: > There is a fashion in modern English-speaking movies/TV for actors to > mumble. If you watch older films from the 1930s and 1940s, the actors > speak far more clearly. Actors used more of a cut glass accent, which is > easier to understand. Some of the older movies sound a bit stagy and wooden. The attempt to have dialog sound more natural sometimes goes too far. Or you might say it's very natural as peoples' speech gets sloppier. If all you do is text why bother learning to speak clearly?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e1rqa$b3bl$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76845 |
On 30/10/2025 22:48, Pancho wrote: > There is a fashion in modern English-speaking movies/TV for actors to > mumble. If you watch older films from the 1930s and 1940s, the actors > speak far more clearly. Actors used more of a cut glass accent, which is > easier to understand. > Back in the day the actor on stage needed to be heard from 20 yards away. Being loud and clear without being shouty was part of the education. > So it isn't just that we are all going deaf, although we probably are. Today's actors are close miked. It all started with 'crooners' -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <ef2itlxutq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76845 |
On 2025-10-30 23:48, Pancho wrote: > On 10/30/25 20:33, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-29 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2025-10-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 20:21:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2025-10-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My downfall is British shows. Some are okay, some are very difficult >>>>>> for me to understand. After a while I sometimes can adapt. >>>>> >>>>> Scottish accents (especially Glaswegian) must drive you nuts. >>>> >>>> I saw 'Sexy Beast' in a theater and understood little except Kingsley's >>>> 'fuck' which was a big part of his monologues. I thought it was me >>>> but as >>>> I left I overheard several couples wishing there were subtitles. >>> >>> I find myself turning on subtitles (when available) more and more >>> even for supposedly English speakers. >> >> As my first language is not English, you can not imagine how >> reassuring is to me what you said there, when I need to have the >> subtitles there (hopefully in English, but otherwise Spanish will do) >> because there is always a word that I don't catch every little while. >> >> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first >> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and >> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. >> > There is a fashion in modern English-speaking movies/TV for actors to > mumble. If you watch older films from the 1930s and 1940s, the actors > speak far more clearly. Actors used more of a cut glass accent, which is > easier to understand. > > So it isn't just that we are all going deaf, although we probably are. Yes, I heard this before. >> Reminds me, in Amazon Prime Video sometimes there is an alternative >> audio track with "improved dialogue clarity" or some wording to that >> respect. >> > > I would choose that, but I've never seen it available. Right, but the existence of that sound track proves that there is a known problem with dialogues. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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