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Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-26 14:04 +0200
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 13:13 +0100
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-26 15:23 +0200
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 19:43 +0100
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 08:31 -0700
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-26 17:52 +0100
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 10:01 -0700
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 19:44 +0100
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-08-26 17:26 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-26 17:47 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-26 18:19 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-26 20:25 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 21:44 +0100
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-26 21:12 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-27 22:09 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 23:00 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-08-28 09:10 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:02 +0200
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:17 +0100
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-09-03 11:10 +0100
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 11:55 +0100
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-09-03 14:13 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 23:11 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-09-04 10:10 +0200
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-09-06 17:38 +0000
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-06 15:16 -0700
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-09-06 22:39 +0000
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 18:46 -0400
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-09-06 23:00 +0000
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-09-07 15:57 -0400
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 18:48 -0400
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 04:11 -0400
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-09-07 14:43 -0400
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-08 08:10 -0700
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alan Bowler <alantbowler@gmail.com> - 2025-09-29 14:07 -0400
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-29 12:57 -0700
Re: slow computers, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-29 23:12 -0400
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 23:09 +0000
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-04 07:48 -0700
Re: Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-04 20:51 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-26 20:21 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-27 16:40 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 08:30 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-28 10:09 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-27 19:04 +0100
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 22:58 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 04:06 -0400
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-09-03 14:53 +0100
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-09-03 20:43 +0100
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 22:58 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 03:26 -0400
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-28 15:56 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-29 00:58 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:50 +0100
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-08-31 20:15 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-29 12:46 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:28 +0100
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-08-29 14:40 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-29 23:13 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 03:28 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 03:27 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 00:25 -0400
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-08-30 12:19 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 13:37 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-31 18:23 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 17:37 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-31 22:24 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 02:35 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-01 07:55 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:23 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-09-01 11:52 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:11 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-04 10:41 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 18:38 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-04 18:42 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-04 20:58 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 05:08 -0400
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-05 08:03 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-05 12:15 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 11:17 +0100
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-06 07:31 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-09-09 21:32 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-09 15:30 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-09 22:56 +0000
Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-10 11:10 +0200
Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-10 14:23 +0000
Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2025-09-10 14:11 -0400
Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-10 21:07 +0200
Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-10 19:29 +0000
Re: Halt [Was: Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth] scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-10 20:13 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-09-04 22:22 +0100
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 22:35 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 05:06 -0400
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-09-05 12:02 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-08-30 18:30 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-30 22:20 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-08-31 18:25 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-02 21:46 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:44 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:55 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-09-03 14:31 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-09-03 01:22 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-09-03 01:13 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-08-31 20:20 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-09-01 14:46 +0300
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-01 14:33 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-01 08:03 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:53 +0200
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-08-29 17:09 +0000
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:18 +0100
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:54 +0000
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 03:06 -0400
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:28 +0100
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 05:30 -0400
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 11:59 +0100
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:26 -0400
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:36 +0000
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:31 +0000
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 03:10 +0000
Re: PC/IX, Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:13 +0100
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-29 22:27 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-29 21:12 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-29 20:52 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:34 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-30 11:51 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-08-30 15:54 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-30 12:13 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-30 19:27 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-30 14:45 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-02 14:45 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-09-03 10:40 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 07:59 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 17:38 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-03 17:51 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-02 22:03 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-08-30 19:34 -0400
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 13:44 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-01 02:36 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 01:52 -0400
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:26 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-09-01 08:01 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 18:12 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 20:15 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:20 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-30 11:49 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-08-30 17:39 +0000
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-31 12:40 +0200
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-08-31 08:19 -0700
Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-08-31 20:10 +0200
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-30 03:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <108tr5b$2ctc1$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72685 |
On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:13:06 +0200, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > Given the rock-solid stability and reliability of the MS-DOS environment > and its applications *cough* *cough* that sounds like an interesting > design oversight. Don’t know why IBM didn’t feel the need to have an easily-accessible button hard-wired to the RESET signal. Instead you had to hit the infamous three-key sequence and hope it would be recognized by a still-functioning BIOS ...
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <W1rsQ.76267$GnW4.13569@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #72611 |
On 2025-08-29, Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2025-08-27, Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote: >> >>> I haven't tried Unix on 8086, but DOS on x86 essentially relied on >>> applications being reasonably correct and not too buggy. Having the >>> reset button conveniently accessible was effectively a requirement >>> for any DOS PC ;-) >> >> Unfortunately, at about that time the reset button vanished (probably >> due to the DMCA or whatever preceded it). > > Really? System boards bought this year still have a reset line and my > workstation tower case (about 10-15y old now) still has a reset button. Oops, I forgot about that. They did make a comeback, didn't they? But there definitely was a period before that where the button vanished (although there would have been motherboard pins if you wanted to dig into it). > PCs bought in the 1990s and 2000s still tended to have nicely accessible > reset buttons. Not that hiding the reset button would help, when one can > just flip the power. Some people had debuggers that could scan memory after a crash. Power cycling would wipe that - which is what the copy protection enthusiasts were after. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-30 03:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <108tr31$2ctc1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72689 |
On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:51:18 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > But there definitely was a period before that where the button vanished > (although there would have been motherboard pins if you wanted to dig > into it). Apple included a little springy clip thing (the “Programmers’s Switch”) in the box with each of those original classic-form-factor Macintoshes. When installed, pressing one side triggered NMI (used for invoking the resident debugger), while the other side triggered the RESET line (hard reboot). I still have the muscle memory: seated in front of the machine, reach around with right hand, far side was NMI, near side was RESET.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-30 00:25 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <suScna_OAeil4C_1nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #72699 |
On 8/29/25 11:27 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:51:18 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> But there definitely was a period before that where the button vanished >> (although there would have been motherboard pins if you wanted to dig >> into it). > > Apple included a little springy clip thing (the “Programmers’s Switch”) in > the box with each of those original classic-form-factor Macintoshes. When > installed, pressing one side triggered NMI (used for invoking the resident > debugger), while the other side triggered the RESET line (hard reboot). > > I still have the muscle memory: seated in front of the machine, reach > around with right hand, far side was NMI, near side was RESET. Hmmm ... how did they implement that ? How did it differ from just using the power switch ??? In THEORY that kind of 'reset' SHOULD include at least ATTEMPTS to shut down a few important daemons. MOST important, the HDD cache ... DO try yer best to write-out the cache before going off. "Reset" buttons are mostly good, but on the company servers I always disconnected those, so no dink could just accidentally bump into the switch while looking for something else. REAL power switch, like a 3-sec delay before anything happens.
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2025-08-30 12:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <108uq7q$ipo$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #72703 |
In article <suScna_OAeil4C_1nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>On 8/29/25 11:27 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:51:18 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> But there definitely was a period before that where the button vanished
>>> (although there would have been motherboard pins if you wanted to dig
>>> into it).
>>
>> Apple included a little springy clip thing (the “Programmers’s Switch”) in
>> the box with each of those original classic-form-factor Macintoshes. When
>> installed, pressing one side triggered NMI (used for invoking the resident
>> debugger), while the other side triggered the RESET line (hard reboot).
>>
>> I still have the muscle memory: seated in front of the machine, reach
>> around with right hand, far side was NMI, near side was RESET.
>
> Hmmm ... how did they implement that ? How did it
> differ from just using the power switch ???
Presumably the NMI would enter a debugger. RESET would yank the
CPU and peripheral reset lines.
> In THEORY that kind of 'reset' SHOULD include at
> least ATTEMPTS to shut down a few important daemons.
> MOST important, the HDD cache ... DO try yer best
> to write-out the cache before going off.
The original Macintosh had daemons, important or not. For that
matter, it didn't ship with a hard disk drive, either.
> "Reset" buttons are mostly good, but on the company
> servers I always disconnected those, so no dink could
> just accidentally bump into the switch while looking
> for something else. REAL power switch, like a 3-sec
> delay before anything happens.
Those weren't Macs. :-)
- Dan C.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-31 13:37 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <1podolx0lq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #72703 |
On 2025-08-30 06:25, c186282 wrote: > "Reset" buttons are mostly good, but on the company > servers I always disconnected those, so no dink could > just accidentally bump into the switch while looking > for something else. REAL power switch, like a 3-sec > delay before anything happens. Some reset buttons have to be pressed deep to work. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2025-08-31 18:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <slrn10b8tnr.11crv.als@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #72817 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-08-30 06:25, c186282 wrote:
>> "Reset" buttons are mostly good, but on the company
>> servers I always disconnected those, so no dink could
>> just accidentally bump into the switch while looking
>> for something else. REAL power switch, like a 3-sec
>> delay before anything happens.
>
> Some reset buttons have to be pressed deep to work.
On my very first PC (80386DX CPU clocked at a blistering 40 MHz), the
desktop case had the reset button right next to the turbo button and of
course they looked identical except for the text label above them. Nice
big flat buttons too, flush with the case surface, so easy to press.
Thankfully, I usually didn't need the turbo button.
Most later machines of mine had the reset button recessed making it
much harder to press by accident.
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-31 17:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <mhjfj2F591iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #72832 |
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 18:23:23 +0200, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > On my very first PC (80386DX CPU clocked at a blistering 40 MHz), the > desktop case had the reset button right next to the turbo button and of > course they looked identical except for the text label above them. Nice > big flat buttons too, flush with the case surface, so easy to press. > Thankfully, I usually didn't need the turbo button. In a wonderful display of ergonomic design my Acer laptop has the power button on the same row as the function keys to the right of the insert/ delete and the same size and spacing, and right above the backspace. It is not recessed or otherwise set off.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-31 22:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <1092i3o$3ghoq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72832 |
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 18:23:23 +0200, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > On my very first PC (80386DX CPU clocked at a blistering 40 MHz), the > desktop case had the reset button right next to the turbo button and of > course they looked identical except for the text label above them. Nice > big flat buttons too, flush with the case surface, so easy to press. > Thankfully, I usually didn't need the turbo button. > > Most later machines of mine had the reset button recessed making it much > harder to press by accident. I can see the one contrarian interoffice memo now: “Why not recess the turbo button instead, and make it harder to press? Because it can cause compatibility problems with older software designed to run only at a CPU speed of 4.77MHz, so the user should think twice before pressing it. The reset button should be easier to press, because when you need it, you really need it!” ;)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-01 02:35 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <0b6folxhen.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #72852 |
On 2025-09-01 00:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 18:23:23 +0200, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > >> On my very first PC (80386DX CPU clocked at a blistering 40 MHz), the >> desktop case had the reset button right next to the turbo button and of >> course they looked identical except for the text label above them. Nice >> big flat buttons too, flush with the case surface, so easy to press. >> Thankfully, I usually didn't need the turbo button. >> >> Most later machines of mine had the reset button recessed making it much >> harder to press by accident. > > I can see the one contrarian interoffice memo now: > > “Why not recess the turbo button instead, and make it harder to press? > Because it can cause compatibility problems with older software designed > to run only at a CPU speed of 4.77MHz, so the user should think twice > before pressing it. The reset button should be easier to press, because > when you need it, you really need it!” > > ;) Wow! :-( -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-01 07:55 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <1094c5l$3tttm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72854 |
On 8/31/25 17:35, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-09-01 00:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 18:23:23 +0200, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> >>> On my very first PC (80386DX CPU clocked at a blistering 40 MHz), the >>> desktop case had the reset button right next to the turbo button and of >>> course they looked identical except for the text label above them. Nice >>> big flat buttons too, flush with the case surface, so easy to press. >>> Thankfully, I usually didn't need the turbo button. >>> >>> Most later machines of mine had the reset button recessed making it much >>> harder to press by accident. >> >> I can see the one contrarian interoffice memo now: >> >> “Why not recess the turbo button instead, and make it harder to press? >> Because it can cause compatibility problems with older software designed >> to run only at a CPU speed of 4.77MHz, so the user should think twice >> before pressing it. The reset button should be easier to press, because >> when you need it, you really need it!” >> >> ;) > > Wow! :-( > Let's let the users shoot themselves in the foot rather than allowing them to cause one application to mess up. Actually, on second thought, I can see the logic. With a non-recessed button the user thinks "darn, I pressed the stupid reset button again." With recessed the user would see a program acting flaky and call support: "Your system is not 100% compatible, xyz-program isn't running correctly."
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-01 11:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <1093vn9$3qi49$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72703 |
In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > ... REAL power switch, like a 3-sec > delay before anything happens. Only for ATX PSU based machines. The old AT PSU spec had the power switch as an actual switch that interrupted mains power. Granted, few remember AT PSU based systems anymore, and even fewer of them are still in service.
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| From | antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) |
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| Date | 2025-09-01 11:52 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <10941d2$25kq6$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #72891 |
In alt.folklore.computers Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>> ... REAL power switch, like a 3-sec
>> delay before anything happens.
>
> Only for ATX PSU based machines. The old AT PSU spec had the power
> switch as an actual switch that interrupted mains power.
>
> Granted, few remember AT PSU based systems anymore, and even fewer of
> them are still in service.
Many PC have real power switch. There is software controlled one at
the front and real one built into the power supply.
--
Waldek Hebisch
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-01 14:11 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <l4fgolxavt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #72906 |
On 2025-09-01 13:52, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > In alt.folklore.computers Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >> In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>> ... REAL power switch, like a 3-sec >>> delay before anything happens. >> >> Only for ATX PSU based machines. The old AT PSU spec had the power >> switch as an actual switch that interrupted mains power. >> >> Granted, few remember AT PSU based systems anymore, and even fewer of >> them are still in service. > > Many PC have real power switch. There is software controlled one at > the front and real one built into the power supply. But too weak to stand daily use. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-04 10:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <109bqdg$1n2t1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72906 |
In comp.os.linux.misc Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> wrote: > In alt.folklore.computers Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >> In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>> ... REAL power switch, like a 3-sec >>> delay before anything happens. >> >> Only for ATX PSU based machines. The old AT PSU spec had the power >> switch as an actual switch that interrupted mains power. >> >> Granted, few remember AT PSU based systems anymore, and even fewer of >> them are still in service. > > Many PC have real power switch. There is software controlled one at > the front and real one built into the power supply. That is the ATX PSU layout. And not all ATX PSU's bothered with the physical switch built into the PSU (dropping the switch reduced the BOM cost of the PSU). For the pre ATX PSU's (AT PSU's), the physical power switch that interrupted mains power was the switch that was mounted in the front of the case that user's used to turn on/off the machine.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-09-04 18:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <z0luQ.408550$gVwb.83537@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #73359 |
On 2025-09-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > For the pre ATX PSU's (AT PSU's), the physical power switch that > interrupted mains power was the switch that was mounted in the front of > the case that user's used to turn on/off the machine. I saw some machines where the actual switch was in the power supply at the back of the machine, but it was activated via a long rod that ended in a button on the front panel. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-04 18:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <mhu4shFshmkU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #73398 |
On Thu, 04 Sep 2025 18:38:23 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-09-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > >> For the pre ATX PSU's (AT PSU's), the physical power switch that >> interrupted mains power was the switch that was mounted in the front of >> the case that user's used to turn on/off the machine. > > I saw some machines where the actual switch was in the power supply at > the back of the machine, but it was activated via a long rod that ended > in a button on the front panel. All I know is at some point the power button on front of the box would turn the machine on. Pushing it again was a mild suggestion that the machine shut down if it felt like it. The cord was usually easier to find when groping around than the toggle on the PS.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2025-09-04 20:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <v3nuQ.531862$nuHb.502179@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #73400 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >On Thu, 04 Sep 2025 18:38:23 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2025-09-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >> >>> For the pre ATX PSU's (AT PSU's), the physical power switch that >>> interrupted mains power was the switch that was mounted in the front of >>> the case that user's used to turn on/off the machine. >> >> I saw some machines where the actual switch was in the power supply at >> the back of the machine, but it was activated via a long rod that ended >> in a button on the front panel. > >All I know is at some point the power button on front of the box would >turn the machine on. Pushing it again was a mild suggestion that the >machine shut down if it felt like it. The cord was usually easier to find >when groping around than the toggle on the PS. The firmware has managed the power switch for the last couple of decades. The OS can arrange with the SMM firmware (through ACPI) to manage the power button to ensure that on-disk state remains consistent by shutting down the applications and operating systems cleanly. Works pretty well with Linux. Some windows applications have not, in the past, played well with soft power switches, and some BIOS implementations have been sub-par, to put it kindly.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-05 05:08 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <vhGdndIZ76EANSf1nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #73403 |
On 9/4/25 4:58 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >> On Thu, 04 Sep 2025 18:38:23 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2025-09-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> For the pre ATX PSU's (AT PSU's), the physical power switch that >>>> interrupted mains power was the switch that was mounted in the front of >>>> the case that user's used to turn on/off the machine. >>> >>> I saw some machines where the actual switch was in the power supply at >>> the back of the machine, but it was activated via a long rod that ended >>> in a button on the front panel. >> >> All I know is at some point the power button on front of the box would >> turn the machine on. Pushing it again was a mild suggestion that the >> machine shut down if it felt like it. The cord was usually easier to find >> when groping around than the toggle on the PS. > > The firmware has managed the power switch for the last couple of > decades. The OS can arrange with the SMM firmware (through ACPI) to > manage the power button to ensure that on-disk state remains > consistent by shutting down the applications and operating systems > cleanly. > > Works pretty well with Linux. Some windows applications have not, > in the past, played well with soft power switches, and some > BIOS implementations have been sub-par, to put it kindly. To put it kindly ......... -IX has become better at dealing with soft-shutdown than Win.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-05 08:03 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Unix on x86, Hmmm ... Downloaded Xenix - But It's *41* Floppies Worth |
| Message-ID | <20250905080339.00000213@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #73429 |
On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 05:08:43 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > To put it kindly ......... > > -IX has become better at dealing with soft-shutdown than Win. Win10 started playing all kinds of games with true shutdown vs. some kind of "deep suspend" - I'm pretty sure they were trying to improve "boot time" without actually having to *improve boot time,* but it was immensely counterproductive since NT has always leaked memory like a sieve and a full reboot is the only way to clear it up. I think they walked back some of the shenanigans in later updates, but on early revisions of 10 it was practically impossible to get it to perform a clean shutdown without holding in the power button 'til the machine itself cut out, though invoking shutdown from the command line sometimes seemed to work.
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