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Re: OT - Solar panels

From "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: OT - Solar panels
Date 2026-10-09 23:11 +0200
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On 2026-10-07 13:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 11:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-07 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/10/2026 10:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> Plug-in solar power is taking off in a big way: prices start at 
>>>> £450, they deliver up to 800 W, and they open up self-consumption to 
>>>> flats and tenants.
>>> And increase the cost of electricity to everyone and increase the 
>>> risk of blackouts as they destabilise the grid
>>>
>>
>> LOL. Deal with it.
>>
> Its not me. It's the voting public, who are deciding that the whole net 
> zero boondoggle has trebled electricity prices since 'renewables' and 
> are sick to the teeth with it.
> 
> https://ectltd.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/chart-wind-solar-cost.png
> 
> 

I asked chatgpt.

Q:  Can you compare the electricity price to consumers in Spain versus 
Europe?

A: 1. Spain versus the EU average

The latest fully comparable figures I found are Eurostat's household 
electricity prices for the first and second halves of 2025.

Average household price · first half of 2025 · taxes included

Spain                       European Union

Below EU average            €0.2872/kWh
                             €28.72 per 100 kWh

Spain's household electricity prices were below the EU average, 
according to the European Commission's 2026 country report.

The European average hides substantial differences between countries. In 
the first half of 2025, Germany's household price was €0.3835/kWh, 
compared with €0.1040 in Hungary.


2. The latest comparison: second half of 2025

For a more recent comparison, here are the prices reported for 
households consuming 2,500–5,000 kWh per year, including taxes and charges.

Country / region                       Price per kWh

                                          €0.2669

average                                  €0.2896

                                          Lower than Spain

                                          Lower than Spain

                                          €0.3869

                                          €0.4042

                                          €0.1082

Sources: Eurostat and its 2025 household electricity price release.

Spain's average price was approximately 8% below the EU average.


3. What does that mean for a household?

For an illustrative household consuming 3,500 kWh per year:

Spain
€934/year

EU average
€1,014/year

Illustrative difference: €80 per year

Based on average energy prices, not a personalized bill. Fixed charges 
and individual tariff terms can change the result.


4. Why is electricity relatively inexpensive in Spain?

Three factors help explain Spain's position:

Renewable energy: Solar and wind generation have expanded considerably, 
helping reduce wholesale electricity prices.

  * The generation mix: Spain has benefited from relatively low 
wholesale prices compared with much of Europe.

  * Taxes and network charges: The final bill also depends on taxes, 
regulated network costs, and government measures. A lower wholesale 
price does not automatically mean a proportionally lower household bill.

  * One caveat: national averages do not tell you what a particular 
customer pays. In Spain, the regulated PVPC tariff and fixed-price 
contracts on the free market can differ substantially.

My conclusion: Spain is currently cheaper than the EU average for 
household electricity, but it is not among Europe's very cheapest 
countries. France and Portugal are particularly useful comparisons for 
understanding why neighboring countries can have different retail prices 
despite sharing interconnected electricity markets.

For exact country-by-country figures, the is the best reference.



Q: What is the effect of renewable energies on the price of electricity 
in Spain?

A: Renewable energy has generally lowered Spain's wholesale electricity 
prices, particularly during sunny and windy hours. But the effect on the 
price consumers actually pay is more complicated: renewables reduce the 
cost of generating electricity, while the grid, storage, backup 
capacity, taxes and retail contracts determine how much of that saving 
reaches households.

Spain is a particularly interesting example because it has abundant 
sunshine, substantial wind resources and a rapidly expanding solar-power 
fleet.

1. How renewables lower electricity prices

The key mechanism is called the merit-order effect.

Solar panels and wind turbines have no fuel costs and relatively low 
operating costs. Once built, they can offer electricity to the market at 
very low marginal prices. Because Spain's wholesale market generally 
pays all accepted generators the price set by the last, most expensive 
generator needed to meet demand, adding more cheap renewable generation 
can push the market price down.

  * Sunny midday hours

Solar generation is abundant, expensive gas-fired generation is needed 
less often, and wholesale prices can fall sharply.

  * Windy periods

Wind power displaces some generation from more expensive sources, often 
lowering market prices.

  * With storage and flexible demand

Cheap midday electricity can be stored or used later, reducing the need 
for expensive generation during evening peaks.

The effect is strongest when renewable generation is plentiful relative 
to demand. It is weaker during calm evenings, periods of low solar 
output or other times when the system needs gas-fired generation or imports.


2. How large is the effect in Spain?

There is a useful quantitative estimate from the .

Estimated impact on wholesale electricity prices

More than 40% lower

In the first half of 2024, wholesale prices were estimated to be more 
than 40% lower than they would have been if wind and solar generation 
had remained at their 2019 levels.

Source: Banco de España, Economic Bulletin, September 2024.

That is a counterfactual estimate, not a claim that renewables reduced 
every household's electricity bill by 40%. It compares the observed 
wholesale market with a hypothetical market that had less wind and solar 
generation.

A separate analysis by BBVA Research estimated that the growth of 
renewables reduced Spanish wholesale prices by almost 20% between 2021 
and 2024. The different estimates reflect different periods and 
analytical methods.

The broad conclusion is robust: renewable generation has been a major 
downward force on Spain's wholesale electricity prices.


3. Why don't consumers see the full reduction?

Your electricity bill contains more than the wholesale cost of energy.

  * Energy purchased on the market

Generally becomes cheaper as abundant renewable generation displaces 
more expensive generation.

  * Grid and balancing costs

Electricity must be transported, voltage and frequency maintained, and 
supply and demand balanced. Variable generation can increase some of 
these operational costs.

  * Taxes, regulated charges and retail margins

These don't necessarily fall when wholesale electricity becomes cheaper.

  * Your electricity contract

A spot-linked tariff may reflect falling wholesale prices relatively 
quickly; a fixed-price contract may not change until renewal.


Spain's grid operator reported that balancing and adjustment services 
added an average of €15.78/MWh to the final energy-market price in 2025, 
compared with €11.37/MWh in 2024. It also noted that adjustment costs 
were particularly significant in months with high renewable generation. 
These costs are not all caused by renewables, but they illustrate why 
the wholesale price alone does not tell the whole story.


4. The downside: cheap electricity when sunny, more expensive 
electricity at other times

*Midday: prices can be extremely low*

When solar output is high and demand is modest, wholesale prices can 
approach zero or even become negative. This is good for consumers whose 
tariffs track the market, but it can make solar farms less profitable.

*Evening: prices can rise again*

Solar generation falls as people return home and electricity demand 
remains high. If wind and hydro cannot fill the gap, gas-fired 
generation may set a much higher price.

This creates a challenge known as price cannibalization: as more solar 
farms produce electricity at the same time, the price during those hours 
falls, reducing the revenue each solar farm earns.

Storage, stronger grid connections, flexible industrial demand and 
shifting consumption toward sunny hours can help address this problem.


5. What happens as Spain adds more renewables?

The European Central Bank's 2026 analysis confirms that greater 
renewable generation reduces wholesale prices and that Spain has become 
less frequently dependent on gas to set the electricity price.

The likely long-term outcome is:

  * Lower average wholesale energy costs, particularly when renewable 
output is abundant.

  * Less exposure to gas-price shocks, which is important because gas 
can make electricity expensive even when gas accounts for only a 
minority of generation.

  * Greater need for flexibility, including batteries, pumped hydro, 
demand response and grid investment.

  * Potentially more volatile hourly prices if storage and flexible 
demand do not grow fast enough.

The Banco de España estimated that, under the renewable deployment 
scenarios in Spain's updated national energy and climate plan, wholesale 
prices could fall by a further 50% by 2030. This is a modelled scenario, 
not a guaranteed forecast of future household bills.

My conclusion

Renewables are making electricity cheaper to produce in Spain, but not 
necessarily equally cheap at every hour or on every household bill. 
Their strongest economic benefit is reducing the amount of expensive 
generation needed and limiting the influence of gas prices.

The next challenge is ensuring that cheap solar and wind electricity can 
be stored, transported and used when people need it. How well Spain 
solves that problem will help determine how much of the wholesale 
savings ultimately reaches consumers.


Q: Some people claim that renewables are heavy subsidized, and without 
those subsidies, rewables would not exist. Is this true (thinking of 
Spain specially)

A: 6. The crucial distinction: historically subsidized versus 
economically viable today

There is strong evidence for both parts of the debate, but they refer to 
different periods.

Historically, Spain did subsidize renewables heavily. The government 
introduced generous feed-in tariffs and premiums to encourage 
investment, especially in solar power. These guaranteed revenues helped 
attract investors and accelerate deployment.

Spain's government reported that renewable energy, cogeneration and 
waste-generation installations received more than €56 billion in support 
between 1998 and 2013. That figure combines several categories, so it is 
not a renewables-only total.

The support was consequential: it helped build capacity that might 
otherwise have arrived later, or not at all, under the market conditions 
of the time. But it also contributed to rising regulated 
electricity-system costs, and Spain subsequently changed the support 
framework. In 2012, it suspended incentives for new installations under 
the previous regime.


7. Would renewables exist in Spain without subsidies?

My assessment is that yes, substantial amounts of wind and solar would 
probably still be built today, but the historical development would have 
been slower and the amount installed could be different.

There are three reasons.

  * In the early 2000s: much less certain

Solar panels were substantially more expensive. Guaranteed tariffs 
helped make projects financially viable and encouraged investment and 
technological learning.

  * Today: much more commercially viable

According to , in 2024, 91% of newly commissioned utility-scale 
renewable capacity worldwide generated electricity at a lower cost than 
the cheapest new fossil-fuel alternative. New solar and onshore wind 
were, on average, 41% and 53% cheaper, respectively.

  * Government support still matters

Even when electricity generation is competitive, financing costs, price 
uncertainty, grid connections, storage and political targets can 
influence whether a project gets built. Spain still has competitive 
auctions and other support mechanisms for eligible projects.

One important caveat: IRENA's global comparison concerns the cost of 
generating electricity from new projects. It does not establish that 
every renewable project is cheaper than every alternative, or that a 
complete electricity system can run on renewables without additional 
investment in grids, storage and backup.

8. One final distinction: subsidies for renewables versus subsidies for 
fossil fuels

It is also misleading to compare renewable subsidies with a hypothetical 
world in which fossil fuels receive no public support.

Fossil fuels have benefited from tax concessions, direct support, public 
infrastructure and, in some countries, government intervention that 
keeps consumer prices below their full supply costs. The European 
Commission's 2026 energy-subsidy report estimated EU renewable-energy 
subsidies at €76 billion in 2024, while also documenting substantial 
support for other energy sources and the wider energy system. Those 
figures cover the EU, not Spain alone, and are not a direct measure of 
the net economic cost of each technology.

To make a fair comparison, we would need to examine both sides on a 
consistent basis: direct subsidies, tax treatment, capital costs, 
operating costs, system integration, pollution and climate damages.

Bottom line

The claim that renewables would not exist without subsidies is too 
strong, particularly for modern wind and solar in Spain.

A more accurate statement is:

  * Past subsidies materially accelerated deployment and helped create 
today's renewable industry.

  * Modern wind and solar can often compete without operating subsidies, 
although some projects still need support or revenue guarantees.

  * The whole electricity system still incurs costs for networks, 
balancing, storage and reliable supply, regardless of the generation 
technology.

The most useful question is therefore not simply whether renewables 
receive subsidies, but whether the total cost of a reliable electricity 
system with more renewables is lower or higher than the alternatives. 
That requires comparing complete systems, not just individual power plants.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 07:38 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 01:56 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 08:20 -0700
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:05 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 19:03 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
                OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
                Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
                OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
                Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
                Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
                Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
                Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:47 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:47 +0100
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-12 11:58 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:17 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:15 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
                [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:01 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-09 20:09 -0700
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 07:03 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-10 10:32 -0700
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:56 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:35 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:33 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:52 +0200
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:04 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 22:15 +0200
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 03:23 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:44 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:15 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:41 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:40 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:22 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:38 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:17 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:58 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 20:45 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 22:44 -0400
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:14 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:53 -0400
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:54 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:39 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:53 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:26 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:14 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-16 19:29 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 23:02 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:32 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:35 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:28 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:41 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:24 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:02 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 12:16 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:41 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:55 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 12:52 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 15:03 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:08 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:51 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:05 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:26 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:27 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:57 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 17:50 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:57 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:03 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:38 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 01:40 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:28 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:59 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:03 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:26 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:07 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:45 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:55 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:10 +0000
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:01 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:33 +0100
                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:40 +0200
                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:04 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:26 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:07 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:28 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0200
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 00:46 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:29 +0200
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 21:56 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100
                Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100
                Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-11 20:54 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:26 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:11 +1100
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 02:24 +0000
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:49 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:58 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 07:23 +0100
                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 03:13 -0400
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:07 +1100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:21 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:26 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-13 22:36 +1100
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:55 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:09 +1100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:02 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:01 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 17:58 +1100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 17:46 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:02 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:18 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:59 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0200
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:46 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:48 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:28 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:11 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 01:26 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 06:16 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:27 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:40 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:54 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:57 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 21:10 +0200
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:06 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:02 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:21 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:09 +0200
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 22:02 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:09 +1100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:31 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:24 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:26 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 17:21 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:47 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 03:53 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 08:54 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:27 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-14 11:30 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:12 +1100
                Re: OT - TV Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 00:44 +0100
                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:08 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:16 +0200
                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:23 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:52 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:16 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:47 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:00 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:28 +0100
                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 22:51 -0400
                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-14 00:32 -0400
                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:26 -0400
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:08 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:58 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:20 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-15 15:25 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:11 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-16 01:50 +0000
                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-16 00:39 -0400
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:34 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-16 12:46 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 13:24 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 19:01 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:38 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:08 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:30 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-15 21:24 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:17 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-15 20:25 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:25 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-16 13:01 +0200
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 13:34 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 18:47 +0000
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:31 +0100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:07 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:43 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:29 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:04 +0000
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:21 +0200
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:48 +0000
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:56 +0000
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:48 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 05:06 +0000
                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:57 -0400
                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:23 +0200
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:17 +0000
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:32 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 05:06 +0000
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:26 +0000
                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-16 22:49 +1100
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 15:37 +0100
                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 16:28 -0400
                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:36 +0100
                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:08 +0100
                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:07 +0000

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