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Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower

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On 11/28/21 11:07 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 11/28/21 02:14, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 28-11-2021, 166p1 <z24ba6.net> a écrit :
>>>    Updates, esp version upgrades, are a problem for ALL
>>>    kinds of Linux/BSD. This is something where Winders
>>>    does much better.
>>>
>>>    Had a red hot Win-95 box - massive amount of memory for
>>>    the time. Brought it all the way to Vista before it was
>>>    just TOO damned slow/small. Everything worked.
>>
>> For the Linux part, that's what I had before using a rolling distro.
>> When I update a few things at a time, it's transparent.
>>
>> For the Windows part, you are not comparing the same things. With a
>> Windows upgrade, you are only upgrading Windows, you have to take care
>> of everything else. When you are upgrading Linux, you upgrade the
>> kernel, the GUI and every single application running on it.
> 
>      Windows poses a problems because so many have to use it at work,
> The solution would seem to be a dual-boot Windows Linux machine is 
> messed up every time MS decides to repair its broken kernel which messes
> up the boot-loader which then has to be reinstalled.

   Winders updates tend to nuke multi-boot. There ARE ways
   around it, but they're weird and seem to require UEFI
   booting. Winders has the ultimate ego - nothing else
   exists/matters.

   Use a Linux VM inside Winders, or vice versa. Then it's
   at your fingertips and you can even share folders, run
   them at the same time.

>      Actually PCLinuxOS has few problems with updates, using Synaptic
> and permits the use of several kernels on one machine, right now I have
> two Long Term Support versions installed and the latest from the 
> packager, Texstar, who if he finds an error has been perpetrated will 
> work on setting it right. On the Forum we have coders and testers as
> well as idiots like me.  Now maybe I am lucky having decided after a
> couple of HP products fail on me in record time to use Used Dell 
> Latitudes, have an E6520, E6540 and E7450. No problems on these models
> and I have little fear of a problem when i get around to updating my
> two older machines.
> 
> Forum is at <https://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php> . Registration 
> is free and if you cannot find the current iso files hit the Main button
> on this initial forum screen and you will find yourself at the main 
> site.   Current iso are 2011, three version of KDE, Mate, XFCE from
> the packager and several others from the Community.   The PCLinuxOS 
> Magazine is published every month AFAIK and is at volume #178, aimed
> at the User base.  PCLinux does not use or even plan to use systemd.
> Sure you can get an older package list at Distrowatch.com.  It is best
> to have some experience before using PCLinux but like nearly every
> current distribution it starts from a Windows XP version of KDE or
> whichever Desktop Environment you think you want to use.
> 
> Some people like Aragorn move to Manjaro from PCLinuxOS but he is
> very knowledgeable and experienced.

   PCLinuxOS is ok ... though very focused on KDE, which is even
   more bloated than Gnome (but a lot more usable - hey, look at
   the default Gnome for Centos or OracleLinux - it MUST DIE
   IMMEDIATELY or you just can't STAND it, blend in XFCE). Never
   liked Gnome, but now it's just HORRIBLE.

   But if you're gonna use Linux then Deb, Mint or Ubuntu(s)
   are probably the best way to go these days. Lots of us like
   MX ... which while Deb/Ubuntu is some aspects has some
   nice enhancements.

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black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-11-25 06:47 +0100
  Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2021-11-25 09:44 +0100
    Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-11-25 16:47 +0100
      Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2021-11-25 19:49 +0100
        Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-11-26 05:52 +0100
          Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2021-11-26 09:25 +0100
            Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-26 04:07 -0500
              Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2021-11-26 10:13 +0100
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-11-26 17:11 +0100
              Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-11-26 17:12 +0100
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-26 12:11 -0500
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-26 11:54 -0800
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-27 11:25 -0500
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-27 18:29 +0000
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2021-11-27 19:50 +0100
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-27 15:23 -0500
            Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-11-27 03:57 +0100
              Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-27 11:36 -0500
      Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-25 17:15 -0500
        Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2021-11-26 09:15 +0100
    Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-11-25 11:01 -0500
  Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-25 13:00 -0500
    Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-11-26 06:03 +0100
      Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-26 23:41 -0500
        Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-11-27 06:20 +0100
          Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-28 02:00 -0500
            Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-11-28 10:14 +0000
              Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-11-28 08:07 -0800
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-29 00:47 -0500
              Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-11-29 00:12 -0500
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-12-03 22:54 +0000
                Re: black screen after updating from MX 19.4 patito feo to MX 21 wildflower 166p1 <z24ba6.net> - 2021-12-04 01:19 -0500

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