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  Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2012-09-19 14:03 -0500
    Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2012-09-19 12:16 -0700
      Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2012-09-19 15:42 -0500
        Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2012-09-19 22:17 -0400
          Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2012-09-20 13:50 +0200
          Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2012-09-20 15:23 -0500
            Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? "T. Dwyer" <es290@ncf.ca> - 2012-09-20 16:43 -0400
            Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2012-09-20 20:55 +0000
              Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2012-09-20 16:07 -0500
    Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2012-09-19 21:47 +0000
    Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2012-09-19 23:56 -0500
      Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2012-09-20 15:58 -0500
        Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2012-09-22 20:43 -0500
          Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2012-09-24 15:03 -0500
            Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? tb <nospam@example.invalid> - 2012-09-25 06:30 -0500
              Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2012-09-25 13:42 -0500
                Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2012-09-25 20:23 -0500
            Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2012-09-25 15:03 -0500
              Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2012-09-25 16:51 -0500
                Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2012-09-25 20:24 -0500
                Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2012-09-26 19:12 -0400
                  Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2012-09-26 22:32 -0500
                    Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2012-09-27 00:02 -0400
                  Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2012-10-09 13:09 -0500
              Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2012-09-26 19:08 -0400
                Re: Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux? Moe Trin <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld.invalid> - 2012-09-26 22:31 -0500

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#1455 — Is Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem supported in Linux?

Hello.

I cannot seem to get KNOPPIX v7.0.4 and Ubuntu v12.04.1 i386 live CDs to 
see an old Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem. 
It worked fine in Windows (XP SP3 to 64-bit 7) on two machines. When I 
plugged it in during a KNOPPIX session, dmesg detects it. Ubuntu 
v12.04.1 i386 live CD detects something, but can't identify it. The 
Linux tests were on an old Dell Dimension 8250 (512 MB of RAM) machine. 

KNOPPIX's dmesg showed: 
... 
[ 113.693346] usb 4-2: new full-speed USB device number 2 usinguhci_hcd
[ 118.856286] usb 4-2: New USB device found, idVendor=148d, idProduct=1671 
[ 118.856293] usb 4-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=6 
[ 118.856297] usb 4-2: Product: Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB 
[ 118.856300] usb 4-2: Manufacturer: Creative Pte Ltd. 
[ 118.856303] usb 4-2: SerialNumber: 00000000

Its lsusb command showed:
Bus 004 Device 002: ID 148d:1671  
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub 
Weird that lsusb doesn't show the modem?

Ubuntu showed http://pastie.org/4755128 (too long in this newsgroup 
post).

For now, I just want to see if KNOPPIX can communicate to this modem 
with its AT commands, but it doesn't seem to find the modem at all even 
though KNOPPIX's dmesg show detections. 
http://knoppix.net/forum/threads/30210-Dial-up-Modem-and-KNOPPIX-v7.0.4-Live-CD- 
's reply told me to use WvDial for the dial-up modem stuff:

root@Microknoppix:/home/knoppix# wvdial
--> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.61
--> Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory
--> Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory
--> Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory

root@Microknoppix:/home/knoppix# wvdialconf
Editing `/etc/wvdial.conf'.

Scanning your serial ports for a modem.

ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud
ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud
ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up.
Modem Port Scan<*1>: S1 S2 S3
ttyS4<Info>: No such device or address
Modem Port Scan<*1>: S4


Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program?
Did you configure it properly with setserial?

Please read the FAQ at http://alumnit.ca/wiki/?WvDial


# cat /etc/wvdial.conf
[Dialer Defaults]
Phone =
Username =
Password =
New PPPD = yes


I don't need to dial out yet. Ubuntu's results were worse as shown in 
http://pastie.org/4755128 ... :(

Thank you in advance. :)
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#1456

On 09/19/2012 12:03 PM, Ant wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I cannot seem to get KNOPPIX v7.0.4 and Ubuntu v12.04.1 i386 live CDs to
> see an old Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem.
> It worked fine in Windows (XP SP3 to 64-bit 7) on two machines. When I
> plugged it in during a KNOPPIX session, dmesg detects it. Ubuntu
> v12.04.1 i386 live CD detects something, but can't identify it. The
> Linux tests were on an old Dell Dimension 8250 (512 MB of RAM) machine.

	Sounds like a WinModem which is only usable on Linux with a Windows 
driver in special wrapper file.  It depends for its operation ordinarily 
in Windows with offloading of processing to the CPU.  i looked at the 
Linux Hardware guide and at listings for support where I found only 
Windows drivers.

	Your cross-posting seems a bit extreme.

	bliss
>
> KNOPPIX's dmesg showed:
> ...
> [ 113.693346] usb 4-2: new full-speed USB device number 2 usinguhci_hcd
> [ 118.856286] usb 4-2: New USB device found, idVendor=148d, idProduct=1671
> [ 118.856293] usb 4-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=6
> [ 118.856297] usb 4-2: Product: Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB
> [ 118.856300] usb 4-2: Manufacturer: Creative Pte Ltd.
> [ 118.856303] usb 4-2: SerialNumber: 00000000
>
> Its lsusb command showed:
> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 148d:1671
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Weird that lsusb doesn't show the modem?
>
> Ubuntu showed http://pastie.org/4755128 (too long in this newsgroup
> post).
>
> For now, I just want to see if KNOPPIX can communicate to this modem
> with its AT commands, but it doesn't seem to find the modem at all even
> though KNOPPIX's dmesg show detections.
> http://knoppix.net/forum/threads/30210-Dial-up-Modem-and-KNOPPIX-v7.0.4-Live-CD-
> 's reply told me to use WvDial for the dial-up modem stuff:
>
> root@Microknoppix:/home/knoppix# wvdial
> -->  WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.61
> -->  Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory
> -->  Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory
> -->  Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory
>
> root@Microknoppix:/home/knoppix# wvdialconf
> Editing `/etc/wvdial.conf'.
>
> Scanning your serial ports for a modem.
>
> ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud
> ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud
> ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up.
> Modem Port Scan<*1>: S1 S2 S3
> ttyS4<Info>: No such device or address
> Modem Port Scan<*1>: S4
>
>
> Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program?
> Did you configure it properly with setserial?
>
> Please read the FAQ at http://alumnit.ca/wiki/?WvDial
>
>
> # cat /etc/wvdial.conf
> [Dialer Defaults]
> Phone =
> Username =
> Password =
> New PPPD = yes
>
>
> I don't need to dial out yet. Ubuntu's results were worse as shown in
> http://pastie.org/4755128 ... :(
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

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#1457

> Sounds like a WinModem which is only usable on Linux with a Windows 
> driver in special wrapper file.  It depends for its operation ordinarily 
> in Windows with offloading of processing to the CPU.  i looked at the 
> Linux Hardware guide and at listings for support where I found only 
> Windows drivers.

Ah, that's probably why. I couldn't get it to work in Mac OS X 10.7.4 as 
well. I guess I can't use it except in Windows then. Thanks. :(
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#1459

On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Ant wrote:

>> Sounds like a WinModem which is only usable on Linux with a Windows
>> driver in special wrapper file.  It depends for its operation ordinarily
>> in Windows with offloading of processing to the CPU.  i looked at the
>> Linux Hardware guide and at listings for support where I found only
>> Windows drivers.
>
> Ah, that's probably why. I couldn't get it to work in Mac OS X 10.7.4 as
> well. I guess I can't use it except in Windows then. Thanks. :(

On the other hand, because they were so cheap, they landed in a lot of 
computers.  It's pretty common when I find a computer on the sidewalk 
waiting for the garbage truck for it to have such a modem.  It's rare to 
see hardware modems, especially faster speed ones.

Given that, some of the software modems seemed easier to use with Linux, 
or rather, someone took the time to deal with it.  I'm sure there's a list 
of software modems that are easy to use with Linux, find that list and 
then just look for a modem that fits.  I suspect it can't take too many 
software modems to find one compatible.

The problem is that the software modems did start taking up the market 
towards the end of dial-up modems.  People got cheap, the computers got 
fast enough, so the hardware modems were likely specifically bought.  I 
think the fastest bus hardware modem I saw was 28.8K, and I had to give 
that one up when I moved to a computer that didn't have an ISA bus.  I 
don't think I've seen any PCI hardware modems (I'm not saying they dont' 
exist, just pointing out that they became uncommon).  External modems, 
they never dropped in price because there was nothing new to come along. 
So it took some time before I could move from my external 33.6K modem to 
56K, finally finding one at a garage sale at a price I was willing to pay, 
then oddly the next week finding another one at another sale.  I suspect 
not only that fewer external (and hardware) modems were sold at 56K, but 
since nothing came along to replace them for dial-up, people must have 
kept them as backup.  On the other hand, I bought for ten dollars a 56K 
external modem a couple of years ago, I wanted a spare, and then found one 
in a pile of garbage on moving day.

   Michael

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#1461

On Thursday 20 September 2012 04:17, Michael Black conveyed the 
following to comp.os.linux.hardware...

> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Ant wrote:
> 
>>> Sounds like a WinModem which is only usable on Linux with a Windows
>>> driver in special wrapper file.  It depends for its operation
>>> ordinarily in Windows with offloading of processing to the CPU.  i
>>> looked at the Linux Hardware guide and at listings for support where
>>> I found only Windows drivers.
>>
>> Ah, that's probably why. I couldn't get it to work in Mac OS X 10.7.4
>> as well. I guess I can't use it except in Windows then. Thanks. :(
> 
> On the other hand, because they were so cheap, they landed in a lot of
> computers.  It's pretty common when I find a computer on the sidewalk
> waiting for the garbage truck for it to have such a modem.  It's rare
> to see hardware modems, especially faster speed ones.
> 
> Given that, some of the software modems seemed easier to use with
> Linux, or rather, someone took the time to deal with it.  I'm sure
> there's a list of software modems that are easy to use with Linux,
> find that list and then just look for a modem that fits.  I suspect it
> can't take too many software modems to find one compatible.

Check here:

    http://www.linmodems.org

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(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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#1462

> >> Sounds like a WinModem which is only usable on Linux with a Windows
> >> driver in special wrapper file.  It depends for its operation ordinarily
> >> in Windows with offloading of processing to the CPU.  i looked at the
> >> Linux Hardware guide and at listings for support where I found only
> >> Windows drivers.
> >
> > Ah, that's probably why. I couldn't get it to work in Mac OS X 10.7.4 as
> > well. I guess I can't use it except in Windows then. Thanks. :(

> On the other hand, because they were so cheap, they landed in a lot of 
> computers.  It's pretty common when I find a computer on the sidewalk 
> waiting for the garbage truck for it to have such a modem.  It's rare to 
> see hardware modems, especially faster speed ones.

Yeah, someone didn't want it and it wasn't even opened and still 
shrinkwrapped (never used). So I took it for kicks to see. Now, I know 
why he/she didn't want it beside being dial-up (still useful to me when 
my cable Internet goes down). Haha.


> Given that, some of the software modems seemed easier to use with Linux, 
> or rather, someone took the time to deal with it.  I'm sure there's a list 
> of software modems that are easy to use with Linux, find that list and 
> then just look for a modem that fits.  I suspect it can't take too many 
> software modems to find one compatible.

> The problem is that the software modems did start taking up the market 
> towards the end of dial-up modems.  People got cheap, the computers got 
> fast enough, so the hardware modems were likely specifically bought.  I 
> think the fastest bus hardware modem I saw was 28.8K, and I had to give 
> that one up when I moved to a computer that didn't have an ISA bus.  I 
> don't think I've seen any PCI hardware modems (I'm not saying they dont' 
> exist, just pointing out that they became uncommon).  External modems, 
> they never dropped in price because there was nothing new to come along. 
> So it took some time before I could move from my external 33.6K modem to 
> 56K, finally finding one at a garage sale at a price I was willing to pay, 
> then oddly the next week finding another one at another sale.  I suspect 
> not only that fewer external (and hardware) modems were sold at 56K, but 
> since nothing came along to replace them for dial-up, people must have 
> kept them as backup.  On the other hand, I bought for ten dollars a 56K 
> external modem a couple of years ago, I wanted a spare, and then found one 
> in a pile of garbage on moving day.

I still have my old external serial USR Sportster 33.6k (only connects 
at 28800-31200 speeds on crappy old copper landlines) dial-up modem at 
home. It still works as of 1.75 years ago when I tested it. :) I was 
hoping to find a cheap/free USB one since serial/COM types are pretty 
much gone these days.
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#1463

Ant wrote:

>>>>Sounds like a WinModem which is only usable on Linux with a Windows
>>>>driver in special wrapper file.  It depends for its operation ordinarily
>>>>in Windows with offloading of processing to the CPU.  i looked at the
>>>>Linux Hardware guide and at listings for support where I found only
>>>>Windows drivers.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Ah, that's probably why. I couldn't get it to work in Mac OS X 10.7.4 as
>>>well. I guess I can't use it except in Windows then. Thanks. :(
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>On the other hand, because they were so cheap, they landed in a lot of 
>>computers.  It's pretty common when I find a computer on the sidewalk 
>>waiting for the garbage truck for it to have such a modem.  It's rare to 
>>see hardware modems, especially faster speed ones.
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah, someone didn't want it and it wasn't even opened and still 
>shrinkwrapped (never used). So I took it for kicks to see. Now, I know 
>why he/she didn't want it beside being dial-up (still useful to me when 
>my cable Internet goes down). Haha.
>
>
>  
>
>>Given that, some of the software modems seemed easier to use with Linux, 
>>or rather, someone took the time to deal with it.  I'm sure there's a list 
>>of software modems that are easy to use with Linux, find that list and 
>>then just look for a modem that fits.  I suspect it can't take too many 
>>software modems to find one compatible.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>The problem is that the software modems did start taking up the market 
>>towards the end of dial-up modems.  People got cheap, the computers got 
>>fast enough, so the hardware modems were likely specifically bought.  I 
>>think the fastest bus hardware modem I saw was 28.8K, and I had to give 
>>that one up when I moved to a computer that didn't have an ISA bus.  I 
>>don't think I've seen any PCI hardware modems (I'm not saying they dont' 
>>exist, just pointing out that they became uncommon).  External modems, 
>>they never dropped in price because there was nothing new to come along. 
>>So it took some time before I could move from my external 33.6K modem to 
>>56K, finally finding one at a garage sale at a price I was willing to pay, 
>>then oddly the next week finding another one at another sale.  I suspect 
>>not only that fewer external (and hardware) modems were sold at 56K, but 
>>since nothing came along to replace them for dial-up, people must have 
>>kept them as backup.  On the other hand, I bought for ten dollars a 56K 
>>external modem a couple of years ago, I wanted a spare, and then found one 
>>in a pile of garbage on moving day.
>>    
>>
>
>I still have my old external serial USR Sportster 33.6k (only connects 
>at 28800-31200 speeds on crappy old copper landlines) dial-up modem at 
>home. It still works as of 1.75 years ago when I tested it. :) I was 
>hoping to find a cheap/free USB one since serial/COM types are pretty 
>much gone these days.
>  
>
The USROBOTIC'S is a Hardware USB modem  which is seen in Linux as TTY/ACMO.
T.D.

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#1464

On Thursday, September 20th, 2012, at 15:23:50h -0500, Ant explained:

> I still have my old external serial USR Sportster 33.6k (only connects 
> at 28800-31200 speeds on crappy old copper landlines) dial-up modem at 
> home. It still works as of 1.75 years ago when I tested it. :) I was 
> hoping to find a cheap/free USB one since serial/COM types are pretty 
> much gone these days.

Why not use a USB to serial converter cable?

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#1466

> > I still have my old external serial USR Sportster 33.6k (only connects 
> > at 28800-31200 speeds on crappy old copper landlines) dial-up modem at 
> > home. It still works as of 1.75 years ago when I tested it. :) I was 
> > hoping to find a cheap/free USB one since serial/COM types are pretty 
> > much gone these days.

> Why not use a USB to serial converter cable?

I can, but it's very old and will die one day. I need to replacements 
when that happen. ;)
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#1458

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.networking.]
On 2012-09-19, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I cannot seem to get KNOPPIX v7.0.4 and Ubuntu v12.04.1 i386 live CDs to 
> see an old Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up modem. 
> It worked fine in Windows (XP SP3 to 64-bit 7) on two machines. When I 
> plugged it in during a KNOPPIX session, dmesg detects it. Ubuntu 
> v12.04.1 i386 live CD detects something, but can't identify it. The 
> Linux tests were on an old Dell Dimension 8250 (512 MB of RAM) machine. 
> Thank you in advance. :)

[...]

I think that model has a 'Conexant' chipset, in which case it may be
possible to get it working with Linux
<http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/index.php>

But if you're serious about using a dialup modem, whatever operating system
is involved, you're better off using a real 'hardware' modem.  These are
(or were!) made as PCI cards for installing on a motherboard, or as PC Card
(PCMCIA) removable cards, or as external boxes with Serial or USB
connectors.  

I have had success using a Serial-to-USB adaptor to get a Zoom 3049L Serial
modem working with Mandrake 9 (and up to Mandriva 2008) - no messing
around, just connect it up, put the basic configuration into KPPP or some
other modem dialer package, and you're on line.  Lots of flashing lights to
watch while your data moves, and lots of old-fashioned noises while it's
establishing a connection.

A Sitecom PC Card fax/modem has also worked well for me 'on the road'.  It
is inclined to get alarmingly hot, though.

I haven't tried either of them with current distros, but I would expect
them to work (unless the hardware breaks).

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#1460

On Wed, 19 Sep 2012  in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.hardware and others,
in article <8vWdnRkzp6h5i8fNnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant wrote:

(You caught me on travel - I did see your post to comp.dcom.modems on
Monday, but haven't had time to reply there. Hope this post makes it.)

>I cannot seem to get KNOPPIX v7.0.4 and Ubuntu v12.04.1 i386 live CDs
>to see an old Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up
>modem. 

Your original post in comp.dcom.modems didn't mention the model number,
but if you hit your favorite search engine with the search terms of
'DE5671' and 'Linux', you'll get several thousand hits.  Briefly, the
DE5671 is a Conexant HSF controllerless or soft modem.   The semi-good
news is that there was both a free and 'for-pay' driver from
linuxant.com. The free version is limited to 14400 BPS, while the
for-pay supposedly has the full v.92 capability.

>dmesg showed: 

>[ 118.856286] usb 4-2: New USB device found, idVendor=148d, id
> Product=1671 
>[ 118.856293] usb 4-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
>SerialNumber=6 
>[ 118.856297] usb 4-2: Product: Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB 
>[ 118.856300] usb 4-2: Manufacturer: Creative Pte Ltd. 
>[ 118.856303] usb 4-2: SerialNumber: 00000000

The device is alive, and can be talked to.  Good.   The bad news is
that Vendor and Product ID don't appear in the 'usb-list'
(http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids).

>Its lsusb command showed:
>Bus 004 Device 002: ID 148d:1671  

Seen, but not decoded because it's not in the usb-id listing above.

>[web-forum] reply told me to use WvDial for the dial-up modem stuff:

Crock of powdered-plastic-puppy-p00p and not worth the disk-space it
occupies.  Has it been updated since version 1.60 from 2007?    Like
most so-called ``helper'' programs, it doesn't know about USB devices.
Notice it's looking at /dev/modem (a link that probably doesn't exist
on a LiveCD, and has to be created on any distro, and if using udev,
has to be created at each boot).   A "real" hardware USB modem would
be /dev/ttyACM0, while the Linmodem driver would create some device.
perhaps a /dev/ttyS4 or similar.

John Hasler's pppconfig should set up pppd and create an appropriate
chat script.  I just copy the same file I've been using since 1995
and use that.  The _only_ change needed was the device name.

As regards the linuxant driver, most of the Linmodem drivers were
created for the 2.2.x, 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels.  A poster in the
alt.os.linux.mandriva newsgroup was able to compile an unnamed PCI
"for-pay" linmodem driver in a 3.x.x kernel in CentOS (clone of
Red Hat Enterprise Linux) and apparently it worked with no problem.
He had some problems with _other_ distributions (I think one was
Ubuntu), but that may have been a installed packages issue. He wound
up buying a USB modem from NewEgg at a relatively low price, that
needed no driver.  The USR 5637 does come with files for the Mac as
well as Linux and some version of windoze, but the Linux stuff was
just a text file - no driver needed,  I'm not at home, so I don't
know what the Mac stuff was.

        Old guy

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#1465

> >I cannot seem to get KNOPPIX v7.0.4 and Ubuntu v12.04.1 i386 live CDs
> >to see an old Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB (DE5671 Model) dial-up
> >modem. 

> Your original post in comp.dcom.modems didn't mention the model number,
> but if you hit your favorite search engine with the search terms of
> 'DE5671' and 'Linux', you'll get several thousand hits.  Briefly, the
> DE5671 is a Conexant HSF controllerless or soft modem.   The semi-good
> news is that there was both a free and 'for-pay' driver from
> linuxant.com. The free version is limited to 14400 BPS, while the
> for-pay supposedly has the full v.92 capability.

What? We have to pay for full speeds? I thought these drivers were 
supposed to be open sourced and free as beer in Linux. :P Bah to 14.4k 
speed. That's useless and too slow. My old home's phone lines can go up 
to 31200 (rarely), but mostly at 26400 and 28800. ;)


> >dmesg showed: 

> >[ 118.856286] usb 4-2: New USB device found, idVendor=148d, id
> > Product=1671 
> >[ 118.856293] usb 4-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
> >SerialNumber=6 
> >[ 118.856297] usb 4-2: Product: Creative Modem Blaster V.92 USB 
> >[ 118.856300] usb 4-2: Manufacturer: Creative Pte Ltd. 
> >[ 118.856303] usb 4-2: SerialNumber: 00000000

> The device is alive, and can be talked to.  Good.   The bad news is
> that Vendor and Product ID don't appear in the 'usb-list'
> (http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids).

> >Its lsusb command showed:
> >Bus 004 Device 002: ID 148d:1671  

> Seen, but not decoded because it's not in the usb-id listing above.

> >[web-forum] reply told me to use WvDial for the dial-up modem stuff:

> Crock of powdered-plastic-puppy-p00p and not worth the disk-space it
> occupies.  Has it been updated since version 1.60 from 2007?    Like
> most so-called ``helper'' programs, it doesn't know about USB devices.
> Notice it's looking at /dev/modem (a link that probably doesn't exist
> on a LiveCD, and has to be created on any distro, and if using udev,
> has to be created at each boot).   A "real" hardware USB modem would
> be /dev/ttyACM0, while the Linmodem driver would create some device.
> perhaps a /dev/ttyS4 or similar.

> John Hasler's pppconfig should set up pppd and create an appropriate
> chat script.  I just copy the same file I've been using since 1995
> and use that.  The _only_ change needed was the device name.

Hmm, KNOPPIX v7.0.4 CD doesn't seem to have pppconfig included. It does 
have pppd and ppp. Locate and 
http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/dpkg-l-cd-704.txt doesn't show 
pppconfig. http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/DVD/packages-dvd.txt 
did say it has pppconfig, so I did an apt-get update and installed it. I 
ran pppconfig and tried to configure ppp, but it couldn't find my modem 
and kept showing serial ports (no modems there!) which is not right. 
This driver is a bit complex. :(


> As regards the linuxant driver, most of the Linmodem drivers were
> created for the 2.2.x, 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels.  A poster in the
> alt.os.linux.mandriva newsgroup was able to compile an unnamed PCI
> "for-pay" linmodem driver in a 3.x.x kernel in CentOS (clone of
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux) and apparently it worked with no problem.
> He had some problems with _other_ distributions (I think one was
> Ubuntu), but that may have been a installed packages issue. He wound
> up buying a USB modem from NewEgg at a relatively low price, that
> needed no driver.  The USR 5637 does come with files for the Mac as
> well as Linux and some version of windoze, but the Linux stuff was
> just a text file - no driver needed,  I'm not at home, so I don't
> know what the Mac stuff was.

This is getting complex. Yeah, having the latest Kernel support would be 
nice. Hmm, maybe I should try again with an older kernel. I wonder how 
to get it to see the modem in Ubuntu live CD.

FYI, 
http://knoppix.net/forum/threads/30210-Dial-up-Modem-and-KNOPPIX-v7.0.4-Live-CD-... 
has new posts and fiddling with various stuff. So far, no luck.
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#1467

On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.hardware, in article
<RYadnblJgLP6HsbNnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant wrote:

] I wrote:

>> The semi-good news is that there was both a free and 'for-pay'
>> driver from linuxant.com. The free version is limited to 14400 BPS,
>> while the for-pay supposedly has the full v.92 capability.

>What? We have to pay for full speeds? I thought these drivers were 
>supposed to be open sourced and free as beer in Linux.

The v.32 driver (ITU v.32 and v.32 bis cover speed from 4800 to 14.4
and I don't know if they include v.22 which does 1200 and 2400 BPS) is
free and open.  v.34 and v.34+ are a different protocol and different
modulation scheme, and allow speeds up to 33.6.  v.90 and v.92 are
yet another set of protocols, with different modulation schemes.
It's no big deal in a hardware modem, because the chip has all of the
features included. In a software modem, each protocol is a different
software program.

>Bah to 14.4k speed. That's useless and too slow. My old home's phone
>lines can go up to 31200 (rarely), but mostly at 26400 and 28800. ;)

Going above 28.8 takes a relatively clean phone line - when we moved
here in 1997, the houses were only about 6 years old, but the cheap
grade of string they were using for phone lines was deteriorating, and
even 28.8 was "iffy". Significant rework in 2002, when they finally
fixed the infrastructure to support DSL, and now 44.0K is pretty
common.   Softmodems need a pretty good signal to work with, in
addition to a lot of CPU cycles.  In 1997, I saw a demonstration of
a 56k modem running at 50k+ in a genuine IBM PC-XT (4.88 MHz 8088)
while the hardware requirements of the early winmodems specified a
Pentium 133.   BogoMIPS are relatively meaningless, but they give a
suggestion of CPU horsepower - the BogoMips mini-howto lists the XT at
0.02 BogoMips, while a P-133 is around 53 which equates to about 260
times faster.    I've got better things to do with my CPU cycles.

>Hmm, KNOPPIX v7.0.4 CD doesn't seem to have pppconfig included.

That's a Debian standard since at least 1996.  You'd find it on
most Debian clones as well.   I don't bother with it, as I had by
then created a "standard" ppp setup without all of the ``helpers''
and have been using that ever since.

>I ran pppconfig and tried to configure ppp, but it couldn't find my
>modem and kept showing serial ports (no modems there!) which is not
>right.   This driver is a bit complex. :(

Have you compiled/installed the linuxant driver?   If not, then there
is no modem, and no helper tool is going to find what's not there.

>This is getting complex. Yeah, having the latest Kernel support would
>be nice. Hmm, maybe I should try again with an older kernel. I wonder
>how to get it to see the modem in Ubuntu live CD.

Unless the LiveCD includes the linuxant driver, I don't think any will
see a modem. At best, they'll see an unknown USB device, but won't
have a clue how to talk to it.  I don't think I've seen any kernel,
never mind a distribution include the/any softmodem drivers.

In Message-ID: <m6OdnVS8Pryc4MbNnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> in
comp.os.linux.networking, you mention that you want a modem as a
backup if the cable goes down (I assume you have an appropriate
dialin ISP).  I'd suggest looking at Frys - about three weeks ago,
they had a Zoom and USR modem (both USB) on sale.  NewEgg also was
listing one for around $35.  I wouldn't waste time/effort on the
loosemodem.     Speaking about USB/RS-232 adapters, those are also
fairly cheap and available. I bought one some time ago, because the
last three computers I bought lack a RS-232 port, while they had a
minimum of 3 USB ports.  The older UPS is RS-232 controlled, while the
new one has both RS-232 and USB.  Actually, the two fileservers at
home each have an _ISA_ modem installed - the phone wires aren't
plugged in normally, but they do work just fine (if a bit slow) as
backups to the backups. ;-)

        Old guy

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#1468

> >> The semi-good news is that there was both a free and 'for-pay'
> >> driver from linuxant.com. The free version is limited to 14400 BPS,
> >> while the for-pay supposedly has the full v.92 capability.

> >What? We have to pay for full speeds? I thought these drivers were 
> >supposed to be open sourced and free as beer in Linux.

> The v.32 driver (ITU v.32 and v.32 bis cover speed from 4800 to 14.4
> and I don't know if they include v.22 which does 1200 and 2400 BPS) is
> free and open.  v.34 and v.34+ are a different protocol and different
> modulation scheme, and allow speeds up to 33.6.  v.90 and v.92 are
> yet another set of protocols, with different modulation schemes.
> It's no big deal in a hardware modem, because the chip has all of the
> features included. In a software modem, each protocol is a different
> software program.

Interesting. 


> >Bah to 14.4k speed. That's useless and too slow. My old home's phone
> >lines can go up to 31200 (rarely), but mostly at 26400 and 28800. ;)

> Going above 28.8 takes a relatively clean phone line - when we moved
> here in 1997, the houses were only about 6 years old, but the cheap
> grade of string they were using for phone lines was deteriorating, and
> even 28.8 was "iffy". Significant rework in 2002, when they finally
> fixed the infrastructure to support DSL, and now 44.0K is pretty
> common.   Softmodems need a pretty good signal to work with, in
> addition to a lot of CPU cycles.  In 1997, I saw a demonstration of
> a 56k modem running at 50k+ in a genuine IBM PC-XT (4.88 MHz 8088)
> while the hardware requirements of the early winmodems specified a
> Pentium 133.   BogoMIPS are relatively meaningless, but they give a
> suggestion of CPU horsepower - the BogoMips mini-howto lists the XT at
> 0.02 BogoMips, while a P-133 is around 53 which equates to about 260
> times faster.    I've got better things to do with my CPU cycles.

Yeah. Around here, copper phone lines suck and still are. It is not just 
my home, it's many places.


> >Hmm, KNOPPIX v7.0.4 CD doesn't seem to have pppconfig included.

> That's a Debian standard since at least 1996.  You'd find it on
> most Debian clones as well.   I don't bother with it, as I had by
> then created a "standard" ppp setup without all of the ``helpers''
> and have been using that ever since.

Ah.


> >I ran pppconfig and tried to configure ppp, but it couldn't find my
> >modem and kept showing serial ports (no modems there!) which is not
> >right.   This driver is a bit complex. :(

> Have you compiled/installed the linuxant driver?   If not, then there
> is no modem, and no helper tool is going to find what's not there.

Yes, see the latest posts in 
http://knoppix.net/forum/threads/30210-Dial-up-Modem-and-KNOPPIX-v7.0.4-Live-CD- 
... I finally was able to send AT commands to this modem and receive 
replies. I did not bother to try connecting to an ISP since 14.4k speed 
sucks and I didn't want to pay for faster speeds. :)


> >This is getting complex. Yeah, having the latest Kernel support would
> >be nice. Hmm, maybe I should try again with an older kernel. I wonder
> >how to get it to see the modem in Ubuntu live CD.

> Unless the LiveCD includes the linuxant driver, I don't think any will
> see a modem. At best, they'll see an unknown USB device, but won't
> have a clue how to talk to it.  I don't think I've seen any kernel,
> never mind a distribution include the/any softmodem drivers.

> In Message-ID: <m6OdnVS8Pryc4MbNnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> in
> comp.os.linux.networking, you mention that you want a modem as a
> backup if the cable goes down (I assume you have an appropriate
> dialin ISP).  I'd suggest looking at Frys - about three weeks ago,
> they had a Zoom and USR modem (both USB) on sale.  NewEgg also was
> listing one for around $35.  I wouldn't waste time/effort on the
> loosemodem.     Speaking about USB/RS-232 adapters, those are also
> fairly cheap and available. I bought one some time ago, because the
> last three computers I bought lack a RS-232 port, while they had a
> minimum of 3 USB ports.  The older UPS is RS-232 controlled, while the
> new one has both RS-232 and USB.  Actually, the two fileservers at
> home each have an _ISA_ modem installed - the phone wires aren't
> plugged in normally, but they do work just fine (if a bit slow) as
> backups to the backups. ;-)

Yeah, I wanted to get USB because they're everywhere and serial/COM 
ports are rare. Also, USB power is nice instead having to get a power AC 
like those old serial modems. :( How does one know which USB modems are 
hardware based modems though? I do have dial-up, EarthLink (classic 
package for $9.95 per month). :)

Now, I just had an idea. I wonder if I can use virtual machines (VMs 
like VirtualBox) to use this USB modem and call out inside of it. I 
could live with that. If that doesn't work, then I will have to use the 
dial-up modem in Windows since they work fully. :(
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#1469

On 09/24/2012 03:03 PM, Ant wrote:

>
> Yeah, I wanted to get USB because they're everywhere and serial/COM
> ports are rare. Also, USB power is nice instead having to get a power AC
> like those old serial modems. :( How does one know which USB modems are
> hardware based modems though? I do have dial-up, EarthLink (classic
> package for $9.95 per month). :)
>

The following USRobotics modems work with Linux:

* Model 5610C (internal, PCI interface)
* Model 5637 (external, USB interface)
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#1470

> The following USRobotics modems work with Linux:

> * Model 5610C (internal, PCI interface)

I can't use PCI on newer machines that have no PCI slots. Definitely 
none with laptops/notebooks. ;)


> * Model 5637 (external, USB interface)

Ooh, it even supports Macs! I think I will get one! Does it come with 
drivers or can the current Kernels support it without doing anything 
compilation and stuff? Basically, can I just plug it in and it will be 
ready for usage? 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104006 and 
http://www.amazon.com/USRobotics-USR5637-FaxModem-Windows-Linux/dp/B0013FDLM0/ 
shows it for $43.9x which isn't bad too! :) Although, I am more 
concerned about their low ratings and negative reviews on there. :(
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#1473

On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.hardware, in article
<c86dncloufKKZvzNnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant wrote:

]tb wrote:

>> * Model 5637 (external, USB interface)

>Ooh, it even supports Macs! I think I will get one! Does it come with 
>drivers or can the current Kernels support it without doing anything 
>compilation and stuff?

Mac:     insert the install CD   double-click on "USRobotics 56K USB
         Modem" to launch installer.  (OSX 10.4.3 or higher)
Linux:   no need to install drivers  (2.4.20 kernel or higher)
windoze  apparently has the normal automatic mal-ware installer.

[galileo ~]$ ls /media/cdrom/
autorun.exe     Linux        USR5637Installer32bit.exe
AUTORUN.INF     Manuals      USR5637Installer64bit.exe
DriverInst.exe  Setup.bmp    usrcdgui.exe
insthelper.msi  Setup.exe    USRCDMAP.ini
license         Software     usrproduct.bmp
license.exe     usr5637.cat  Xtras
license.ini     USR5637.inf
[galileo ~]$ ls /media/cdrom/Linux
Dutch  French  German  Greek  Italian  Readme  Spanish
[galileo ~]$ wc /media/cdrom/Linux/Readme
  85  390 2365 /media/cdrom/Linux/Readme
[galileo ~]$ ls /media/cdrom/Software/
BVRP  iBand  MOH
[galileo ~]$

>Basically, can I just plug it in and it will be ready for usage?

Only thing needed is to tell pppd where the modem is (/dev/ttyACM0
rather than /dev/ttySx) and use the right init-string.  I did change
the port speed (RS-232 ports top out at 115200, USB can do 230400).

[galileo ~]$ cat /etc/ppp/options | column
lock            crtscts         nodetach        defaultroute
/dev/ttyACM0    modem           230400          noipdefault
[galileo ~]$ ls -l /etc/ppp/*ap-secrets /etc/resolv.conf
-rw-------  1 root    root       99 Jun 16  2008 /etc/ppp/chap-secrets
-rw-------  1 root    root       94 Jun 16  2008 /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
-rw-r--r--  1 root    root       49 Aug 21  2011 /etc/resolv.conf
[galileo ~]$ cat /usr/local/bin/dialin.example
exec /usr/sbin/pppd user ibuprofin@example.com connect "/usr/sbin/chat
ABORT BUSY \"\" AT\&F1 OK ATDT2662902 CONNECT \"\d\c\""
[galileo ~]$

NOTE:  That's one long (126 characters here) line.
NOTE:  CONNECT \\\d\\\c"      also works  (isn't quoting fun???)

As regards dialing commands to 'chat', "ABORT BUSY" tells it to bail
if the line is busy, the escaped empty quotes says "wait for nothing"
then send the modem init string.  When the modem replies with an OK,
dial the number, wait for it to report connecting, and exit the chat
script without sending a carriage return that upsets some servers.

Helper?   What helper?   If you need to use the nameservers of the
dialin ISP (option "usepeerdns"), you'd also need to have an
/etc/ppp/ip-up  file to copy /etc/ppp/peerdns to /etc/resolv.conf
when the link comes up, and /etc/ppp/ip-down to restore the previous
/etc/resolv.conf when the link goes down.  All in the pppd man-page.

        Old guy

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#1471

On Mon, 24 Sep 2012, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.hardware, in article
<E7CdnTcMW63jIf3NnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant wrote:

] I wrote:

>> In Message-ID: <m6OdnVS8Pryc4MbNnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com> in
>> comp.os.linux.networking, you mention that you want a modem as a
>> backup if the cable goes down (I assume you have an appropriate
>> dialin ISP).  I'd suggest looking at Frys - about three weeks ago,
>> they had a Zoom and USR modem (both USB) on sale.  NewEgg also was
>> listing one for around $35. [...] Actually, the two fileservers at
>> home each have an _ISA_ modem installed - the phone wires aren't
>> plugged in normally, but they do work just fine (if a bit slow) as
>> backups to the backups. ;-)

>Yeah, I wanted to get USB because they're everywhere and serial/COM 
>ports are rare. Also, USB power is nice instead having to get a power
>AC like those old serial modems. :(

They're nice, and don't take up all that much deskspace, but they
have one MAJOR disadvantage:   no speaker.  Second disadvantage is
that they may have few (if any) indicators.   Third concern is that
(at least the USR 5637 I'm using) the cable from the PC to the modem
is short - 4 inches in the 5637 - which limits where the modem can
be located.   You've got a "PWR" LED ton indicate that the modem is
receiving USB power, and a "DATA" LED which is "on" when there is a
modem-to-modem connection that is idle, and it blinks (roughly 1/2 to
1 second on, same amount off) when data is being transferred to/from
the phone line.  The blink rate is fixed, and makes no indication of
how much data is moving in which direction.    I dunno about you, but
all modems I've used in the past had the speaker so you could hear
the call negotiations, and external modems had lights to show TX, RX
data and the handshaking signals, and I got used to that.  There used
to be a small application named "modemlights' that put a tiny display
on your desktop that emulated the front panel of an external modem,
but this app only worked with external and ISA internal modems, not
even PCI or USB,

>How does one know which USB modems are hardware based modems though?

Search engine - look for make/model and the word Linux.   Long ago,
there used to be a web page named "WINMODEMS ARE NOT MODEMS" from
Rob Clark, but the page hasn't been maintained for many years, and
none of the links I can find work any more.  The existing Modem-HOWTO
and Hardware-HOWTO aren't recent enough to be useful.

>Now, I just had an idea. I wonder if I can use virtual machines (VMs 
>like VirtualBox) to use this USB modem and call out inside of it. I 
>could live with that. If that doesn't work, then I will have to use
>the dial-up modem in Windows since they work fully. :(

Got plenty of CPU cycles and RAM to waste?

        Old guy

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#1472

> >Yeah, I wanted to get USB because they're everywhere and serial/COM 
> >ports are rare. Also, USB power is nice instead having to get a power
> >AC like those old serial modems. :(

> They're nice, and don't take up all that much deskspace, but they
> have one MAJOR disadvantage:   no speaker.  Second disadvantage is
> that they may have few (if any) indicators.   Third concern is that
> (at least the USR 5637 I'm using) the cable from the PC to the modem
> is short - 4 inches in the 5637 - which limits where the modem can
> be located.   You've got a "PWR" LED ton indicate that the modem is
> receiving USB power, and a "DATA" LED which is "on" when there is a
> modem-to-modem connection that is idle, and it blinks (roughly 1/2 to
> 1 second on, same amount off) when data is being transferred to/from
> the phone line.  The blink rate is fixed, and makes no indication of
> how much data is moving in which direction.    I dunno about you, but
> all modems I've used in the past had the speaker so you could hear
> the call negotiations, and external modems had lights to show TX, RX
> data and the handshaking signals, and I got used to that.  There used
> to be a small application named "modemlights' that put a tiny display
> on your desktop that emulated the front panel of an external modem,
> but this app only worked with external and ISA internal modems, not
> even PCI or USB,

Wow, that sucks! Do any USB modems even have more lights, audio speaker, 
etc.? Ugh, I don't want to have to carry an old serial modem with its 
USB adapter and power AC. :(


> >Now, I just had an idea. I wonder if I can use virtual machines (VMs 
> >like VirtualBox) to use this USB modem and call out inside of it. I 
> >could live with that. If that doesn't work, then I will have to use
> >the dial-up modem in Windows since they work fully. :(

> Got plenty of CPU cycles and RAM to waste?

Are Intel Core5 and i7 speeds, and 2 GB of RAM enough? :P
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.hardware, in article
<vPadndY7ot3buv_NnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant wrote:

] I wrote:

>> They're nice, and don't take up all that much deskspace, but they
>> have one MAJOR disadvantage:   no speaker.  Second disadvantage is
>> that they may have few (if any) indicators.   Third concern is that
>> (at least the USR 5637 I'm using) the cable from the PC to the
>> modem is short - 4 inches in the 5637 - which limits where the
>> modem can be located.

>Wow, that sucks! Do any USB modems even have more lights, audio
>speaker, etc.?

I can't say that I've seen any.  Part of it is that the manufacturers
are making the stuff as small as they can - ignoring the cables, the
USR5637 is about 1 x 1.5 x 3.9 inch (24 x 37 x 101 mm) which doesn't
leave much space for a speaker or even an earphone jack,

>Ugh, I don't want to have to carry an old serial modem with its 
>USB adapter and power AC. :(

With a little experience, you can pretty well tell what's going on
without the sound or extra lights.  I think it's an acceptable
trade-off because it's smaller than the AC adapter for my laptop
and fits into the courier bag with no problem.

>> Got plenty of CPU cycles and RAM to waste?

>Are Intel Core5 and i7 speeds, and 2 GB of RAM enough? :P

[galileo ~]$ free -m
           total       used     free   shared   buffers   cached
Mem:       16182       4212    11364      190       815     1953
-/+ buffers/cache:        0    14103
Swap:         80          0        0
[galileo ~]$

I'd say you're a bit short of RAM   ;P   Heck, even my laptop has
8 Gigs.   Of course, at the other end of things, the 486 fileserver
at home has 64 Megs, while the Pentium has 256 Megs, but they don't
even have displays or keyboards     Up till about a year ago, the
firewall box to the world was the remains of an 80386-SX16 maxed out
with 16 Megs of RAM and a 213 Meg drive.  Worked just fine with a
2.0.40 kernel.

        Old guy

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