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  xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-03-31 02:22 +0000
    Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-03-31 02:11 -0500
    Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> - 2021-03-31 07:46 -0400
    Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner ray <ray@zianet.com> - 2021-03-31 08:52 -0600
      Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2021-03-31 14:57 -0700
    Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> - 2021-04-01 05:28 +0000
      Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-04-01 02:24 -0400
    Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-04-01 12:16 +0200
      Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-04-01 17:31 +0000
        Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-04-01 23:38 +0200
        Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> - 2021-04-04 13:04 -0400
          Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-04-05 00:52 +0000
            Re: xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> - 2021-04-05 17:30 -0400

#3479 — xsane can't see Brother ADS-2700W scanner

I just got a Brother ADS-2700W sheet-fed scanner and am trying
to access it from xsane.  I've done a lot of flatbed scanning,
first with an HP 3970, and lately with an Epson WF-2650 all-in-one,
but I have a lot of old manuals I want to scan and upload to
Bitsavers, and a sheet feeder will speed the process along.

The Brother got a lot of good reviews so I decided to give it a try.
It offers many options, such as e-mail, [S]FTP, etc. over Ethernet,
wi-fi, and USB.  But so far, I haven't been able to get xsane to
recognize it.  My wife tried to get at it from her Macbook (which
accesses the Epson with no trouble), but had no luck either.
It's not a connectivity issue - the scanner happily connects
to my wi-fi and gets an IP address, and I can access it from
a web browser and get at all of its configuration screens.
But neither xsane nor my wife's Macbook can see it.

The one way I did manage to get the scanner to work was to a
USB flash drive.  It quickly sucked in a handful of sheets,
scanned both sides, and wrote them to a file on the stick.
If all else fails, I can work with it that way.  But I'd
really like to let xsane manage the process.

I'm beginning to wonder, though, whether fashions are changing.
Scanners nowadays seem to want to push data to a server, rather
than being commanded to scan by a computer.  Is this really
happening?  If so, whither (or should that be "wither") xsane?

If anyone has gotten one of these newfangled machines to work
as a slave, rather than a master, please share your secrets.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe...

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  They don't understand Microsoft
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  has stolen their car and parked
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  a taxi in their driveway.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Mayayana

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#3480

On 31 Mar 2021 02:22:01 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> I just got a Brother ADS-2700W sheet-fed scanner and am trying
> to access it from xsane.

> The Brother got a lot of good reviews so I decided to give it a try.
> It offers many options, such as e-mail, [S]FTP, etc. over Ethernet,
> wi-fi, and USB.  But so far, I haven't been able to get xsane to
> recognize it.

I have no experience with your model. I run Mageia Release Linux OS.

Make is easy on myself by setting/using a static ethernet ip on all
nodes on my lan and in my Brother printer.

Installed
    sane-frontends ! Graphical frontend to SANE​
    xsane ! Frontend for the SANE scanner interface​
    saned ! local and remote scanner, digital, video
rpms then downloaded/ran the brother install script for my printer.

Their install script then downloaded/installed additional printer
and scanner rpms. Install script asked some configuration questions
for cups and whatnot and I was up and running.

I can recommend creating an install script to do all the work.
I have found 'expect' quite handy for automagically entering data/answers
to scripts requiring input. Comes in handy for Brother installer since
it wants yes/no for various rpm install questions.
Use 'autoexpect brother_installer model_number' to generate expect script.
Then chopped it down to do work with new Brother releases.

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#3481

the best way to use that scanner is to configure nfs access for it to a
directory on any linux/bsd box.

via its web ui you can cofigure its touchscreen buttons to scan to nfs.

then you just put the stack of paper in, hit to buttons on its
touchscreen and it leaves a pdf, a tiff or a jpeg in the specified
directory.

it really works best as a walk-up device.

otoh -- i have not tested this -- afaict it looks like it supports escl
so you may be able to sane's escl backend.

-JimC
-- 
James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com>         OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6

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#3482

> 

Have you tried looking for a Brother driver? In the past they've done a 
good job of supporting Linux with their printers.

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#3483

> Have you tried looking for a Brother driver? In the past they've done
> a good job of supporting Linux with their printers.

Was going to post the same.

Brother has rpm and deb packages for your printer/scanner here.

   https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=ads2700w_us_eu_as

I have a MFC-L2740DW and it works fine with the drivers for that model
available on their website, as a network printer/scanner.

-- HASM

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#3484

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 02:22:01 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I just got a Brother ADS-2700W sheet-fed scanner and am trying to access
> it from xsane. 

As far as I can see it is not listed at 
http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-BROTHER

So most likely you will have to resort to some other solution than sane/
xsane to scan documents from that scanner.

regards Henrik

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#3485

On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 01:28:08 -0400, Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 02:22:01 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> I just got a Brother ADS-2700W sheet-fed scanner and am trying to access
>> it from xsane.

> As far as I can see it is not listed at
> http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-BROTHER
> So most likely you will have to resort to some other solution than sane/
> xsane to scan documents from that scanner.

Try looking at https://www.brother.ee/support/ads-2700w/downloads

I haven't followed it further than that page to see what it leads to.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

-- 
Change dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org to davidwhodgins@teksavvy.com for
email replies.

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#3486

On 31/03/2021 04.22, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> I just got a Brother ADS-2700W sheet-fed scanner and am trying
> to access it from xsane.
...

> I'm beginning to wonder, though, whether fashions are changing.
> Scanners nowadays seem to want to push data to a server, rather
> than being commanded to scan by a computer.  Is this really
> happening?  If so, whither (or should that be "wither") xsane?

What type of server? If it is just a file server of some type, that will 
probably means a Windows shared directory, that is, Samba. Or maybe a 
NAS. You could prepare this in Linux, if they document it somewhere.

Or is it a server "in the cloud out there"?

> 
> If anyone has gotten one of these newfangled machines to work
> as a slave, rather than a master, please share your secrets.

Sorry, no. But I'm curious about that "server" idea. It would make sense 
for an office, as a shared independent machine, same as the office printer.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#3487

On 2021-04-01, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 31/03/2021 04.22, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I just got a Brother ADS-2700W sheet-fed scanner and am trying
>> to access it from xsane.
> ...
>
>> I'm beginning to wonder, though, whether fashions are changing.
>> Scanners nowadays seem to want to push data to a server, rather
>> than being commanded to scan by a computer.  Is this really
>> happening?  If so, whither (or should that be "wither") xsane?
>
> What type of server? If it is just a file server of some type, that will 
> probably means a Windows shared directory, that is, Samba. Or maybe a 
> NAS. You could prepare this in Linux, if they document it somewhere.
>
> Or is it a server "in the cloud out there"?

Take your pick.  It can also do e-mail and [S]FTP.

>> If anyone has gotten one of these newfangled machines to work
>> as a slave, rather than a master, please share your secrets.
>
> Sorry, no. But I'm curious about that "server" idea. It would make sense 
> for an office, as a shared independent machine, same as the office printer.

That's why I'm wondering whether there's been a philosophical shift
in people's view of a scanner.  I've tried to get SFTP going, but
I haven't managed to get it to accept my server's public key yet.

I worry about my wife and her Macbook, though.  It seems to be
into the old computer-driven mindset.  I'll have to dig deeper
to find out whether the gods, looking down from their Olympian
mountain top near Cupertino, approve of the server paradigm.

If all else fails it scans to a thumb drive just fine.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  They don't understand Microsoft
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  has stolen their car and parked
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  a taxi in their driveway.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Mayayana

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#3488

On 01/04/2021 19.31, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2021-04-01, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 31/03/2021 04.22, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a Brother ADS-2700W sheet-fed scanner and am trying
>>> to access it from xsane.
>> ...
>>
>>> I'm beginning to wonder, though, whether fashions are changing.
>>> Scanners nowadays seem to want to push data to a server, rather
>>> than being commanded to scan by a computer.  Is this really
>>> happening?  If so, whither (or should that be "wither") xsane?
>>
>> What type of server? If it is just a file server of some type, that will
>> probably means a Windows shared directory, that is, Samba. Or maybe a
>> NAS. You could prepare this in Linux, if they document it somewhere.
>>
>> Or is it a server "in the cloud out there"?
> 
> Take your pick.  It can also do e-mail and [S]FTP.

If it accepts local mail, you can set up an internal mail server.


> 
>>> If anyone has gotten one of these newfangled machines to work
>>> as a slave, rather than a master, please share your secrets.
>>
>> Sorry, no. But I'm curious about that "server" idea. It would make sense
>> for an office, as a shared independent machine, same as the office printer.
> 
> That's why I'm wondering whether there's been a philosophical shift
> in people's view of a scanner.  I've tried to get SFTP going, but
> I haven't managed to get it to accept my server's public key yet.

Maybe the key has to be certain set of types or sizes.


> I worry about my wife and her Macbook, though.  It seems to be
> into the old computer-driven mindset.  I'll have to dig deeper
> to find out whether the gods, looking down from their Olympian
> mountain top near Cupertino, approve of the server paradigm.
> 
> If all else fails it scans to a thumb drive just fine.

Yes, there is that.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#3490

>>>>> "CG" == Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

CG> That's why I'm wondering whether there's been a philosophical shift
CG> in people's view of a scanner.  I've tried to get SFTP going, but
CG> I haven't managed to get it to accept my server's public key yet.

AFAICT the scanner is incompatible with modern versions of openssh.

they probably only tested vs archaic versions or windows stuff...

-JimC
-- 
James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com>         OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6

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#3491

On 2021-04-04, James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> That's why I'm wondering whether there's been a philosophical shift
>> in people's view of a scanner.  I've tried to get SFTP going, but
>> I haven't managed to get it to accept my server's public key yet.
>
> AFAICT the scanner is incompatible with modern versions of openssh.
>
> they probably only tested vs archaic versions or windows stuff...

Oh well.  Even if it wasn't for that, the setup screen is
sufficiently counter-intuitive to block my progress anyway.
For now, though, I'm scanning up a storm - to a thumb drive.
Then I plug that thumb drive into my Linux box, where it's
grabbed by the Windows XP VM that I'm running under VirtualBox.
From there I transfer it over to the Linux side (ironically,
via SFTP).  It works well enough for me not to want to spend
much more time on it.  It _is_ a nice little offline scanner,
though.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  They don't understand Microsoft
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  has stolen their car and parked
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  a taxi in their driveway.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Mayayana

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#3492

i went with regular ftp, using one of the ftp daemo's offerred by the
linux dist i use on my workstation.

ideal would be to store the scans on a central nfs box, though still
probably using ftp to get them there.  but i never got such a box
installed before the strokes....

(on a private lan, ftp's lack of encryption is less of an issue.)

-JimC
-- 
James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com>         OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6

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